FEC Violation Could End McCain's Bid

[KG4JYD]

On March 21st Mathew Mosk of The Washington Post, reported that Sen. John McCain has officially broken the $54 million dollar spending limitation imposed by the presidential public financing system.

Here is the write-up:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/21/mccain_blows_by_public_spendin.html


Petitions to the FEC for penalties against McCain are already being circulated here:
http://www.restoretherepublic.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,96/Itemid,59/

[KB9BVN]

On March 21st Mathew Mosk of The Washington Post, reported that Sen. John McCain has officially broken the $54 million dollar spending limitation imposed by the presidential public financing system.

Here is the write-up:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/21/mccain_blows_by_public_spendin.html


Petitions to the FEC for penalties against McCain are already being circulated here:
http://www.restoretherepublic.com/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/gid,96/Itemid,59/

Dream on, not gonna happen.

[N9XR]

Laws are written for little people.

[w6ire]

Laws are written for little people.

Correct....

[N2RJ]

I thought you guys were going after him because he was supposedly not a "natural born citizen?"

[w6ire]

No, I got schooled on that. Now I'm after him because he's one of the Keating Five. :p

[N2RJ]

I'm sorry, you're on my ignore list. Gonna have to speak a little louder.

[w6ire]

I Said, No, I'm Not On The Born-IN-PANAMA Kick Anymore! Now I've Moved On To The Keating Five Thing!!!!!!!!

[N4VGB]

Considering Obama has already spent $117 million, BIG DEAL! :p

[K8ERV]

Considering Obama has already spent $117 million, BIG DEAL! :p


He didn't send me any of it, so I won't vote for him---

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[KG4JYD]

Dream on, not gonna happen.We'll see if this story gains any traction in the news cycle.

[KV1M]

Considering Obama has already spent $117 million, BIG DEAL! :p


Again for the dense:

Obama is not limited by law on how much he can spend because he is spending his own money and not the taxpayers.
He did not apply for nor did he accept public funding.

McCain broke the law because he applied for public funds, accepted the terms and the violated them.

Get it?

[N4VGB]

Again for the dense:

Obama is not limited by law on how much he can spend because he is spending his own money and not the taxpayers.
He did not apply for nor did he accept public funding.

McCain broke the law because he applied for public funds, accepted the terms and the violated them.

Get it?

I don't think either Obama or Clinton can file for public funds until they're the candidate of the party? Only McCain is a presidential candidate at this time. :D

The list of Obama's corporate contributors has been posted in this forum many times now, he ain't running on his own money! :rolleyes:

Obama has outspent Hillary 3 to 1 already, I know who is backing Obama with their bucks and it ain't Joe Blow's bucks he's running on.

[KV1M]

I don't think either Obama or Clinton can file for public funds until they're the candidate of the party? Only McCain is a presidential candidate at this time. :D

The list of Obama's corporate contributors has been posted in this forum many times now, he ain't running on his own money! :rolleyes:

Obama has outspent Hillary 3 to 1 already, I know who is backing Obama with their bucks and it ain't Joe Blow's bucks he's running on.

You thought wrong. Again. This is the limit for the primaries, that is what McCain applied for and Obama didn't.

He isn't using public funds, nice try at the spin but only a moron would have misunderstood my post.

[W7WV]

Or maybe just an American and not a Brit?

[KV1M]

Or maybe just an American and not a Brit?

You calling Americans morons? I just call them uneducated.

[K0RGR]

Or maybe just an American and not a Brit?
Wasn't he speakin' 'Merican enough fer you?

McCain is presumed to be the Republican candidate. He's an old man. He might not live until the convention, and may never get nominated. We may discover he really does have Alzheimer's as has been rumored. William Kristol may yet find a way to reincarnate Mussolini. Anything could happen...

[N4VGB]

You thought wrong. Again. This is the limit for the primaries, that is what McCain applied for and Obama didn't.

He isn't using public funds, nice try at the spin but only a moron would have misunderstood my post.

Whatever.:D Obama is the hog of the three candidates according to the FEC. Even Romney outspent McCain! I'll give him a little fudge on the rules to try to overcome those who are attempting to buy the White House.;) Visions of you constantly searching the web is all I need for my enjoyment!:p

pip pip cheerio old boy!

[ad4mg]

Whatever.:D Obama is the hog of the three candidates according to the FEC. Even Romney outspent McCain! I'll give him a little fudge on the rules to try to overcome those who are attempting to buy the White House.;) Visions of you constantly searching the web is all I need for my enjoyment!:p

pip pip cheerio old boy!

3-D workspace - use caution.

Diversion in progress.

[KV1M]

Whatever.:D Obama is the hog of the three candidates according to the FEC. Even Romney outspent McCain! I'll give him a little fudge on the rules to try to overcome those who are attempting to buy the White House.;) Visions of you constantly searching the web is all I need for my enjoyment!:p

pip pip cheerio old boy!


Yup, you were talking out yer neck again. What ever.

BTW, I don't need to search the web for my material, just to provide links and that doesn't take a search since I know where it is.

You're dealing with your betters now son. Get used to it.

[N4VGB]

3-D workspace - use caution.

Diversion in progress.

I love you also! :p:p:p

[w2amr]

3-D workspace - use caution.

Diversion in progress.
Seems to be using the wrong tools all the time.

[N4VGB]

Yup, you were talking out yer neck again. What ever.

BTW, I don't need to search the web for my material, just to provide links and that doesn't take a search since I know where it is.

You're dealing with your betters now son. Get used to it.

Come on now, there's probably a Mexican IT guy waiting in the wings now to do you in again! :p

I've had worse than you on my upper lip and never quit whistling! :D

[KV1M]

Come on now, there's probably a Mexican IT guy waiting in the wings now to do you in again! :p

I've had worse than you on my upper lip and never quit whistling! :D

Your Republicanesque sexual proclivities are not appropriate here. Please refrain from describing them again.
And leave me out of them, I don't swing that way.

That Mexican is waiting for your grandkids job, I don't live in the land of perpetual outsource any more remember?

[N4VGB]

So you have a hair lip? Good job learning to whistle with that!

That Mexican is waiting for your grandkids job, I don't live in the land of perpetual outsource any more remember?

Right, you're so talented that you had to leave the land of outsourcing to find a job and you flip-flop between ranting against the U.S. and praising merry old England but you cling to your U.S. citizenship!? Renounce it I say, adopt that land of milk & honey and you won't even need to post here. You'll just need to pay $11 per gallon for gas and have your butt taxed to death there for the rest of your life. Come on now, become a Brit, get your British bowler hat and cane! You'll be so much happier, put all that bitterness behind you.

pip pip cheerio old boy! :p:p:p

[KV1M]

Right, you're so talented that you had to leave the land of outsourcing to find a job and you flip-flop between ranting against the U.S. and praising merry old England but you cling to your U.S. citizenship!? Renounce it I say, adopt that land of milk & honey and you won't even need to post here. You'll just need to pay $11 per gallon for gas and have your butt taxed to death there for the rest of your life. Come on now, become a Brit, get your British bowler hat and cane! You'll be so much happier, put all that bitterness behind you.

pip pip cheerio old boy! :p:p:p


Nope, gonna keep the citizenship because it pisses you off.

I don't drive so I don't buy gas (bet that burns your butt too). Used to race Targa, but sold the car when I moved to Boston. Don't need to drive with such excellent public transportation.
Guess what, I pay LESS taxes here.
How?
Fed+State+Local+SS+Sales+out of pocket for insurance in the US: 53%
UK total: 40%
Aren't you getting tired of being shown how wrong you are?

Less tax, better transport, negligible carbon footprint, basically free health care for my family, and most importantly 3800 miles of open ocean between me and the arrogantly uneducated and willfully ignorant.

I'm plenty happy right now no need to change a thing. :D

[N4VGB]

3800 miles of open ocean between me and the arrogantly uneducated and willfully ignorant.


Big talk from a former union house painter! :D

Please maintain that 3800 mile distance as long as possible. :p

[KB9BVN]

We'll see if this story gains any traction in the news cycle.

Oh it'll get traction...the media needs it to distract us from the internal meltdown at the DNC.

But at the end of the day, he'll still be running for President...and either Obama or Clinton won't.

[KB9BVN]

Again for the dense:

Obama is not limited by law on how much he can spend because he is spending his own money and not the taxpayers.
He did not apply for nor did he accept public funding.

McCain broke the law because he applied for public funds, accepted the terms and the violated them.

Get it?

Just because some nit wit blogger makes a claim, you're already calling McClain guilty of something? I don't want to just come right about and say you must be stupid...but ...isn't that kind of, well...you know...stupid?

[K3XR]

I Said, No, I'm Not On The Born-IN-PANAMA Kick Anymore! Now I've Moved On To The Keating Five Thing!!!!!!!!

Win some, lose some.

[K3XR]

Have we heard from any of the Ronetts lately? Do they have time on their hands now that Ronnie is a distant memory?

[k9kxq]

Oh it'll get traction...the media needs it to distract us from the internal meltdown at the DNC.

But at the end of the day, he'll still be running for President...and either Obama or Clinton won't.

And pigs fly too...

kxq

[k9kxq]

Just because some nit wit blogger makes a claim, you're already calling McClain guilty of something? I don't want to just come right about and say you must be stupid...but ...isn't that kind of, well...you know...stupid?

This will be easy for the dems, hell man you can't even spell his name right, I can see it now, at the voter machine and guess what, there is no one running under McClain, ha ha ha what a nitwit...

kxq

[KG4JYD]

Laws are written for little people.Except it looks pretty damn bad when he can't even follow the law THAT HE WROTE!!!

[KB9BVN]

And pigs fly too...

kxq

They sure do. Visit http://www.fpqrp.net and you can be a Flying Pig too.

Oink

[K3XR]

The FEC will get to it, just after they finish with Clinton Crime Family donor Norman Shu.

[KV1M]

Big talk from a former union house painter! :D

Please maintain that 3800 mile distance as long as possible. :p

You mean a self taught Senior Unix Admin who heads a team of college educated (Masters and PhD's) Unix gurus and still finds himself schooling them every day. Not such big talk at all considering who I am talking to.

And what's wrong with being a commercial painter (houses were only one thing we painted there Bubba)? As union man I worked for my living and made an honest wage doing it. I doubt you can say the same given your disparaging comments.

But I don't do that anymore, I have moved on and expanded my already considerable skill set into financial super computing systems.
I won't bother describing my work, you are not capable of understanding.

Like I said, I have no desire to hang around in the land of goombahs.
In a similar vein, you go ahead and keep your ignorant slack jaw face on that side of the Atlantic, I can say with authority that no one here wants to meet someone as miserable and ignorant as you.

[N4VGB]

Except it looks pretty damn bad when he can't even follow the law THAT HE WROTE!!!

The Washington Post is the Holy Grail for liberal Democrats. Apparently few posting here have even bothered to read the story provided by the link. McCain never drew from public funds and informed the FEC that he wanted to withdraw. NO PUBLIC MONEY WAS USED BY MCCAIN!

The FEC reports are open for viewing at http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+00+PR .

McCain is the low dollar candidate in this election. It always amazes me how the "Big Money" candidate with the backing of big corporations is always the "Peoples Candidate" or "Common Man's Candidate" in these presidential elections, even though it's obvious who owns the candidate.

[KV1M]

Just because some nit wit blogger makes a claim, you're already calling McClain guilty of something? I don't want to just come right about and say you must be stupid...but ...isn't that kind of, well...you know...stupid?

Really, you can't be that dumb.
I take that back, you probably are.

[KV1M]

The Washington Post is the Holy Grail for liberal Democrats. Apparently few posting here have even bothered to read the story provided by the link. McCain never drew from public funds and informed the FEC that he wanted to withdraw. NO PUBLIC MONEY WAS USED BY MCCAIN!

The FEC reports are open for viewing at http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+00+PR .

McCain is the low dollar candidate in this election. It always amazes me how the "Big Money" candidate with the backing of big corporations is always the "Peoples Candidate" or "Common Man's Candidate" in these presidential elections, even though it's obvious who owns the candidate.


McCain's application is still standing, it was never withdrawn because of FEC under staffing.

He is still constrained by the guidelines he accepted when he applied and was accepted.
Whether he actually received any money is a moot point, he is obligated under the conditions of the accepted application.

You clowns are a riot!

[N4VGB]

You clowns are a riot!


So says the "Master of the Universe"! With all those PhDs bowing at his feet! :D:D:D

I've seen people make a complete pompous ass of themselves before but never in the style that you are capable of performing the task!!!

You're starting to be more entertaining than the New York Troll and California Crazy Dave combined!!!

Keep up the good work!!!

[KV1M]

So says the "Master of the Universe"! With all those PhDs bowing at his feet! :D:D:D

I've seen people make a complete pompous ass of themselves before but never in the style that you are capable of performing the task!!!

You're starting to be more entertaining than the New York Troll and California Crazy Dave combined!!!

Keep up the good work!!!

You, calling me pompous? That's pretty rich.
Keep up the entertainment there Jethro, it's all you've been good for so far.
I'll see if I can one or two to bow tomorrow, just in honor of you.

BTW - they don't bow, they just do what I tell them to do.

[N4VGB]

BTW - they don't bow, they just do what I tell them to do.


Oh I'm sure they jump when you command! :D:D:D

[KV1M]

Oh I'm sure they jump when you command! :D:D:D

If they want to keep getting paid.

[N4VGB]

If they want to keep getting paid.

Had to wipe the tears from all the laughter on that one! :D:D:D

[KV1M]

Had to wipe the tears from all the laughter on that one! :D:D:D

Your pretty smarmy tonight, run out of "facts" to try to toss around?

[N4VGB]

Your pretty smarmy tonight, run out of "facts" to try to toss around?

There are no facts to be debated in this vein of exchange? You ran out of facts in the actual subject of this thread and started your usual espousing of your own bloated ego. Even your little one liner statement in the BBC made you look foolish.

So maybe I'll just let the wife have a week in London, I've been resisting any Euro vacations for years now. We can drop by the Kings Reach Tower and you can show us your commanded servants. Maybe she'll let me have week in the countryside and Scotland while there, I'd much prefer that to London.

[KV1M]

There are no facts to be debated in this vein of exchange? You ran out of facts in the actual subject of this thread and started your usual espousing of your own bloated ego. Even your little one liner statement in the BBC made you look foolish.

So maybe I'll just let the wife have a week in London, I've been resisting any Euro vacations for years now. We can drop by the Kings Reach Tower and you can show us your commanded servants. Maybe she'll let me have week in the countryside and Scotland while there, I'd much prefer that to London.

There you go again, spinning like a mad man.

I answered a charge you had made, that you call it bloviating is because you don't like the way I answered.

King huh, coming from the guy who is going to let his wife have a vacatiion. :rolleyes:
You are the one calling me a king and master, I have just told you I am running a department and highly educated people work for me. And that only after you attempted to disparage my past accomplishments and work environments.

You still aren't very good at this, keep on practicing, perhaps you will stop sounding like such a moron sometime.

[N4VGB]

There you go again, spinning like a mad man.
You still aren't very good at this, keep on practicing, perhaps you will stop sounding like such a moron sometime.


So I presume by your reply that there will be no tour of your domain if we visit! :confused:

[w2amr]

You mean a self taught Senior Unix Admin who heads a team of college educated (Masters and PhD's) Unix gurus and still finds himself schooling them every day. Not such big talk at all considering who I am talking to.

And what's wrong with being a commercial painter (houses were only one thing we painted there Bubba)? As union man I worked for my living and made an honest wage doing it. I doubt you can say the same given your disparaging comments.

But I don't do that anymore, I have moved on and expanded my already considerable skill set into financial super computing systems.
I won't bother describing my work, you are not capable of understanding.

Like I said, I have no desire to hang around in the land of goombahs.
In a similar vein, you go ahead and keep your ignorant slack jaw face on that side of the Atlantic, I can say with authority that no one here wants to meet someone as miserable and ignorant as you.
You are arguing smarts with somebody who can't even pass a dumbed down general class license test. :eek:

[WB2WIK]

Again for the dense:

Obama is not limited by law on how much he can spend because he is spending his own money and not the taxpayers.
He did not apply for nor did he accept public funding.


::You're kidding, right?

BARACK OBAMA (D)
Top Contributors
Goldman Sachs
$523,478
University of California $339,168
UBS AG $327,302
JPMorgan Chase & Co
$317,142
Lehman Brothers $302,697
Citigroup Inc
$301,146
National Amusements Inc $293,022
Sidley Austin LLP $271,857
Harvard University $268,491
Google Inc $259,010
Skadden, Arps et al $248,743
Exelon Corp $227,661
Morgan Stanley
$225,976
Time Warner
$221,878
Jones Day $212,525
Wilmerhale Llp $194,688
Latham & Watkins $187,208
University of Chicago $183,147
Kirkland & Ellis $182,176
Citadel Investment Group $175,900
Percent of Contributions Coded:
(How to read this chart / methodology)


Coded $77,889,906 (67%)

Uncoded $39,094,764 (33%)
Total $116,984,670


HILLARY CLINTON (D)
Top Contributors
DLA Piper $495,550
Goldman Sachs
$440,300
Citigroup Inc
$388,052
Morgan Stanley
$385,420
EMILY's List
$323,242
Lehman Brothers $264,610
JPMorgan Chase & Co
$258,120
National Amusements Inc $227,800
University of California $223,667
Skadden, Arps et al $218,485
Greenberg Traurig LLP $191,100
Kirkland & Ellis $186,551
PricewaterhouseCoopers
$185,000
Time Warner
$182,150
Microsoft Corp
$175,419
Merrill Lynch
$172,900
Ernst & Young
$157,575
Latham & Watkins $155,088
Bear Stearns $152,090
Cablevision Systems $148,263
Percent of Contributions Coded:


Coded $79,622,193 (68%)

Uncoded $38,259,697 (33%)
Total $117,881,890




JOHN MCCAIN (R)
Top Contributors
Blank Rome LLP $221,250
Merrill Lynch
$209,050
Citigroup Inc
$187,884
Greenberg Traurig LLP $161,937
Goldman Sachs
$115,600
AT&T Inc
$111,600
JPMorgan Chase & Co
$101,650
Credit Suisse Group
$96,700
Univision Communications $86,600
Lehman Brothers $85,250
IDT Corp $84,850
Bank of New York Mellon $82,350
Morgan Stanley
$80,651
Wachovia Corp $76,750
MGM Mirage $71,500
Bridgewater Assoc $69,900
Blackstone Group $69,250
Bear Stearns $66,800
Irvine Co Apartment Community $66,100
Hess Corp $65,700
Percent of Contributions Coded:
(How to read this chart / methodology)


Coded $33,254,441 (72%)

Uncoded $12,751,100 (28%)
Total $46,005,541

[KV1M]

::You're kidding, right?



I forgot what extreme literalists you guys are when it's not GW or Condi being discussed.

I am not kidding. What I SHOULD have said in order to shut up the fundamentalist crowd is Obama is spending the moneys he raised and not public funds. He did not sign up for public funds.
McCain did sign up for public funds.

There, did that make it simple enough for you?
How you people even survive is beyond me.

[N4VGB]

I am not kidding. What I SHOULD have said in order to shut up the fundamentalist crowd is Obama is spending the moneys he raised and not public funds. He did not sign up for public funds.
McCain did sign up for public funds.

There, did that make it simple enough for you?
How you people even survive is beyond me.


McCain has spent no public funds either or does that FACT escape your simplistisc mind? :p

[WB2WIK]

I forgot what extreme literalists you guys are when it's not GW or Condi being discussed.

I am not kidding. What I SHOULD have said in order to shut up the fundamentalist crowd is Obama is spending the moneys he raised and not public funds. He did not sign up for public funds.
McCain did sign up for public funds.

There, did that make it simple enough for you?
How you people even survive is beyond me.

::Big difference between "money he raised" (donations) vs. "his own money," which is what you first posted.

McCain's "public funds" have not exceeded the statutory limit, yet. Not that I care one way or the other, but data is data.

WB2WIK/6

[N4VGB]

McCain's "public funds" have not exceeded the statutory limit, yet. Not that I care one way or the other, but data is data.


McCain filed for but then withdrew from the public funds and has never drawn a dime from public funds.

[KV1M]

McCain has spent no public funds either or does that FACT escape your simplistisc mind? :p

The fact that escapes you is that he DID sign up for the funds and is still under that contract for lack of a better word. That he didn't take the funds is a moot point as already discussed long ago.
In fact this all has already been discussed in detail, can't you read?

You sure have a short memory.

[N4VGB]

The fact that escapes you is that he DID sign up for the funds and is still under that contract for lack of a better word. That he didn't take the funds is a moot point as already discussed long ago.
In fact this all has already been discussed in detail, can't you read?

You sure have a short memory.

Please hold your breath for McCain to be charged on this one, please, please, please! :p:p:p

[KV1M]

Please hold your breath for McCain to be charged on this one, please, please, please! :p:p:p

I wouldn't dream of doing that, I'm no where near as dense as you are.
He will probably win, the rigged machines are in place and have been for 6 years. Stealing an election is passe these days, nobody investigates and the Dems won't get mad anyway.

Besides, the sooner the US slides into a depression the sooner the fire sale begins. Another unregulated free market idiot will help that right along.

[N4VGB]

I wouldn't dream of doing that, I'm no where near as dense as you are.

Besides, the sooner the US slides into a depression the sooner the fire sale begins. Another unregulated free market idiot will help that right along.

Thank you for the compliment on the density of the grey matter between my ears, it indeed functions well and at a high level. The availability of a higher number of functioning brain cells gives me somewhat of an advantage in the competitive world we live in today.

Another Great Depression is indeed an ever present economical possibility and this is why I keep the appropriate amount of funds necessary invested in companies that paid a dividend all through the first Great Depression, low yield but rock solid performance.

I'm sure that you do the same? :cool:

[AE6IP]

McCain filed for but then withdrew from the public funds and has never drawn a dime from public funds.

The first is true. The second McCain thought to be true and isn't. The third is irrelevant to the point in question.

McCaid did, indeed, file for public funding, at which point he became responsible to obey the rules.

He filed to withdraw, but his request has never been granted, and so, he has not withdrawn.

Further, he pledged public funds as a backing for his earlier loan. At that point he no longer had the option to withdraw. Since the pledge came before the filing to withdraw, had the commission ever met to consider the petition to withdraw, it should have denied it.

He has since raised more money than he is allowed to.

It is the filing for federal funds that put the limit on his fund raising. It matters not how much federal funding he has received.

But, as you say, this is no more than an intellectual exercise. The Commission could not have met, as they have not a quorum, and that alone will be seen as reason enough to accept the intent for the deed. McCain will be forgiven for having "forgotten" that he could no longer withdraw from federal funding, since he has already repaid the loan.

[N4VGB]

The first is true. The second McCain thought to be true and isn't. The third is irrelevant to the point in question.
But, as you say, this is no more than an intellectual exercise.


Surely you jest!? Mental masturbation perhaps but definitely not an intellectual exercise. :)

[AE6IP]

Surely you jest!?

I never jest.

And stop calling me Shirley.

[w2amr]

I never jest.

And stop calling me Shirley.
Oh stewardess, I speak jive.

[KG4JYD]

I don't think either Obama or Clinton can file for public funds until they're the candidate of the party? Only McCain is a presidential candidate at this time. Incorrect on both points.

A candidate is allowed to qualify for government funding of their campaign during the primaries.

Also Ron Paul has not dropped out or suspended his campaign yet either.

The list of Obama's corporate contributors has been posted in this forum many times now, he ain't running on his own money! :rolleyes:
And here is the info for McCain:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00006424&cycle=2008

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/sector_img.asp?id=N00006424&cycle=2008