What gets someone banned around here?

[al2n]

Been wondering about that for awhile now. Seems Fred banned someone for using the term "Alpha Hotel". He even made a personal comment about the banning:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1182261&postcount=30

Now one would think that if the term Alpha Hotel gets one nailed, then the full use of the word Alpha stands for would be a greater offense. One would think, but I guess that is not the case. For example:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1200554&postcount=39

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1197560&postcount=38

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1191035&postcount=10

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1190324&postcount=10

I could go on, but you get the point. Perhaps it was the combination of what Alpha Hotel means. But then again we can cite these examples that would say otherwise:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1183481&postcount=41

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1122951&postcount=32

Or maybe it was a personal attack. But then again this guy is still listed as a member and the one who said Alpha Hotel is not...

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1181944&postcount=77

So is it the term Alpha Hotel that gets one banned or just a personal grudge against a single member? One can only wonder.

[N4VGB]

Strange post, ask a queston and answer it yourself. Indeed one can only wonder. :)

[al2n]

Actually the question still stands.

If swearing, either done outright or via some abbreviation, gets one banned, then you should have been gone long ago.

But you are still here, so that is not the case.

So then, what is it that gets someone banned?

[N6PYI]

In your first example it was used as a personal attack.

I didn't look past your first example but it just showed a spicy adjective and not a personal attack.

Might be the difference.

Bottom line is it's Fred's decision and it really doesn't matter what we think.

Greg
N6PYI

[ad4mg]

Actually the question still stands.

If swearing, either done outright or via some abbreviation, gets one banned, then you should have been gone long ago.

But you are still here, so that is not the case.

So then, what is it that gets someone banned?

Since all of this is just having fun, I'll play! My guess ...

a personal vendetta.

Shucks, I reckon this is my last post!

Ciao!

[ad5mb]

I think it's like Chinese water torture.

It isn't the first drip that gets you. That would be the Chinese one-drip torture. It isn't the last drip that gets you. That would be the Chinese two-drip torture. The second drip being the last, effective drip.

It's the constant monotonous mind boggling regularity of the drip, drip, drip, on and on and on and on and on and.......

The straw that broke the camels back. Can't blame that one bad straw and ignore the ton of straw that came before.

Don't be a drip, won't be a problem.

[N2RJ]

Mike,

I hope you asked Fred himself this, as I doubt he's going to read it here.

And yes, I do think the people using the term a**hole should be banned.

[kf6rdn]

Mike,

I hope you asked Fred himself this, as I doubt he's going to read it here.

And yes, I do think the people using the term a**hole should be banned.

I dont think someone generically saying ahole should be banned, but if you call a fellow member an AH then yes.

[N2RJ]

I dont think someone generically saying ahole should be banned, but if you call a fellow member an AH then yes.

You generally get banned for using foul language here, and since you can't say a-hole on TV, my hunch is that sayiing a-hole here isn't welcome either.

[W4DFW]

Been wondering about that for awhile now. Seems Fred banned someone for using the term "Alpha Hotel".

Must'a been a rougher weekend than I thought.

I couldn't figure out WHAT the heck "alpha hotel" was, and was about to plug it into google . . . maybe some Hotel California thingie . . .

Gawd. What a dumbass I am!!


.............Bob <--------- off to report himself! :D

[kc7jty]

Gawd. What a dumbass I am!!

Roger dodger good buddy, we knew that from the avatar without you sayin boo.

[w2amr]

Been wondering about that for awhile now. Seems Fred banned someone for using the term "Alpha Hotel". He even made a personal comment about the banning:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1182261&postcount=30

Now one would think that if the term Alpha Hotel gets one nailed, then the full use of the word Alpha stands for would be a greater offense. One would think, but I guess that is not the case. For example:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1200554&postcount=39

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1197560&postcount=38

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1191035&postcount=10

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1190324&postcount=10

I could go on, but you get the point. Perhaps it was the combination of what Alpha Hotel means. But then again we can cite these examples that would say otherwise:

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1183481&postcount=41

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1122951&postcount=32

Or maybe it was a personal attack. But then again this guy is still listed as a member and the one who said Alpha Hotel is not...

http://forums.qrz.com/showpost.php?p=1181944&postcount=77

So is it the term Alpha Hotel that gets one banned or just a personal grudge against a single member? One can only wonder.

After looking at this, The terms Double Standard , and selective rules enforcement come to mind. Evenhanded and FAIR don't seem to be on the list.

[w2amr]

Roger dodger good buddy, we knew that from the avatar without you sayin boo.

Actually ,I find that avatar of his pretty offensive. If I go whining to the moderators I can get it banned? :p

[K8ERV]

I couldn't figure out WHAT the heck "alpha hotel" was,



Took me a while too, musta lead a sheltered life----

TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo

[W4INF]

What does it take? For some, very little... for others, never. But it is not my forum and I don't make, bend or twist the rules. I try to not post profanity and do try to be respectful of others to insure I don't get blackballed. I have mind you, been tempted. :eek:

Ive got enough on my plate to be worried about what does and does not happen to someone else. In the military we call it "minding our own grid". :cool:

Cheers,
Andrew

[kc9jwa]

Hmm i defintally wont say those two forbidden words.:D I bann myself first, so all i know is it have to be somethin pretty bad to get you banned, like racist remark, or to much cursing.:eek:

[NL7W]

Dave's expressions on QRZ were increasingly becoming heated vitriol -- offering less and less substance. Perhaps that's the reason?

He was starting to remind me of a nasty cb'er... :rolleyes:

[AA7BQ]

Usually, it's a combination of things. The number one reason, however, is behavior that reflects badly upon QRZ as a quality site for ham radio.

Some people are more likely to be banned than others due to their attitudes and a complete or utter lack of contrition.

Personally, I don't have any grudges on the site because for the most part, I don't read very many articles at all. I'm too busy taking care of the rest of the site (like the callsign database). If someone gives me a load of crap, however, I'm more likely to ban them than to either argue or put up with it.

I encourage argument in the forums, so long as it is done with respect and dignity. Name calling and expletive abbreviations don't fit into the dignified respect category.

Those are my rule and even though I am not able to apply them to every instance, I will apply them when provoked. It doesn't matter if you're a paid subscriber or a casual observer. I won't tolerate abusive, disrespectful behavior.

If you're not smart enough to advance your argument without using abuse, expletives, lewd references, or thinly veiled abbreviations then you should find another website to play in.

Also, let me say thanks to all of you who stick up on my behalf and help all of us recognize bad behavior for what it is. The more that these forums self police, the better we all are for it.

-fred

[KB3PXR]

The people that I have seen banned usually are banned as a result of their behavior going down the drain. I can remember one where a guy admitted testing to see if an HT would transmit out of band (out of the box) without a dummy load on a police frequency, when it did he blamed Alinco. A few posts in that thread trying to defend himself were not pretty. Another thread started by the same member had a title referring to hamfests as stinkfests. I have a suggestion for the QRZ staff regarding bans, but I will only give them out in a PM to a staff member unless a staff member PMs or posts otherwise.

[al2n]

Usually, it's a combination of things. The number one reason, however, is behavior that reflects badly upon QRZ as a quality site for ham radio.

Some people are more likely to be banned than others due to their attitudes and a complete or utter lack of contrition.

Personally, I don't have any grudges on the site because for the most part, I don't read very many articles at all. I'm too busy taking care of the rest of the site (like the callsign database). If someone gives me a load of crap, however, I'm more likely to ban them than to either argue or put up with it.

I encourage argument in the forums, so long as it is done with respect and dignity. Name calling and expletive abbreviations don't fit into the dignified respect category.

Those are my rule and even though I am not able to apply them to every instance, I will apply them when provoked. It doesn't matter if you're a paid subscriber or a casual observer. I won't tolerate abusive, disrespectful behavior.

If you're not smart enough to advance your argument without using abuse, expletives, lewd references, or thinly veiled abbreviations then you should find another website to play in.

Also, let me say thanks to all of you who stick up on my behalf and help all of us recognize bad behavior for what it is. The more that these forums self police, the better we all are for it.

-fred

Self policing eh?

Then why am I told to shut up and quit looking for trouble when I point out stuff like this to the moderators???

Seems that some guys can say what they like, but others are held to the fire for saying similar or, quite often, much less.

One guy has a sig line that suggests we hog tie and brand liberals. How is that not hateful and intolerant? Others have advocated racism and they are still here. The only thing I see that is different between them and those who get banned for stuff like this is political affiliation.

One guy drops the F bomb and gets banned, another just gets his post edited. Again, political affiliation is the dividing line.

[N2RJ]

Was political affiliation really the dividing line?

I assume the guy who dropped the "F bomb" and was subsequently banned was W3SY?

I thought he was a hard core conservative, similar to the other guy who got his post edited.

[w5klb]

Over the few years that I've been posting here, I've seen 'em come and go. I watched a fellow conservative get banned for insulting another man's wife for no reason. W3SY had incredible sense of humor and I, as well as others, surely miss his wit. Dave 6D and myself have locked horns many times on political issues but I have nothing personal against the man.

What we have to remember is that what we see posted here is only half of the story. We aren't privy to what goes on behind the scenes here and we should be thankful for that. Although I wish some of these characters could return, I'm sure that Fred and the powers that be here have done what they felt was the right thing to keep this site as clean and family friendly as possible. Remember: Posting here is like being in Fred's living room. You're his guest. Don't wear out your welcome. Be advised that if he or his designated representatives don't like what you or someone post, be prepared to get the boot. Being "fair" has nothing to with it. It's Fred's site, Fred's rules, if you don't like them, feel free to leave. The site will survive without you. Count on it.

Post to be filed under the heading "For What Its Worth."

[ad4mg]

Dave's expressions on QRZ were increasingly becoming heated vitriol -- offering less and less substance. Perhaps that's the reason?

He was starting to remind me of a nasty cb'er... :rolleyes:

Kinda like you sounded last September, eh? I remarked one of your posts sounded like an AM radio sound byte, and you went into a fury of name calling and personal attacks. Remember the "dirt bag" remarks? There were several.

Hypocrite.

[ad4mg]

DHS a "failure" to GAO (http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=136844)

The fun starts after the 10th post or so ...
Unfortunately, there are too many political appointees (both parties) who quite frankly can't find their ass with both hands. Most times its the regular civil servants who end showing them the correct way to do things -- if they would listen.

And twice as much opposing torque from the defeatist party...

Parroting neo-ninny talk show propaganda spewed by the likes of OxyRushbo gives a person the appearance of not being able to think for themselves.

I used to think you were smarter ...

Did it hurt when you mind was converted to mush?

It only hurts for the first half second when the taser is applied to the frontal lobes.
Later, the medula oblongata is starved to half its capacity through the constant bombardment of repetitive programing.

You're such a laugh!

Remember this: your juvenile mud-slingin' is so telling of your true character! And your best, or is that your worst, is yet to come...

Your snide comments are like the mud that's yet to be scraped off the bottom of my hiking boots from this past weekend. Knock 'em together a few times and they're good as new.

Better luck next time, dirt-bag.

Dirt Bag? A personal attack? And you're not guilty of mud slinging?

I see I hit a nerve. Good. Truth hurts, doesn't it.

You've taken to parroting right wing propaganda every time you're challenged.

Like I said, I used to think you were a smart guy. I now understand better how to spot a phony.

Do you have any more personal attacks you wish to initiate? It shows how much class you have. Go for it.

Who initiated here, dirtbag. One only has to go back three or four posts.

What a loser....

You're so easy. Another indication that I'm right. I carefully avoid calling anyone names here. It's contrary to the TOS that you obviously haven't read.

Another failed effort on your part. You're generating quite an impressive list.

Let's clarify this a little ... am I a "dirt-bag" as referenced in your first post, a "dirtbag" as referenced most recently, or a "loser"?

Mic over to you OM, you're on a roll, don't let up now.

What was that degrading remark about cb'ers? :rolleyes:

Kinda makes you say, "Hmmm!".

Toodles.

[kf6rdn]

DHS a "failure" to GAO (http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=136844)

The fun starts after the 10th post or so ...


What was that degrading remark about cb'ers? :rolleyes:

Kinda makes you say, "Hmmm!".

Toodles.



This might be a fair comment if you posted YOUR comments he was replying to as well as his..

I'm just sayin...

[ad4mg]

This might be a fair comment if you posted YOUR comments he was replying to as well as his..

I'm just sayin...

Uh, I did. Note the quotes by the station with the callsign "ad4mg".

I was very careful to include my comments, as well as others.

Click the link.

I provided everything you ask for, and more.

Enjoy.

[w2amr]

Kinda like you sounded last September, eh? I remarked one of your posts sounded like an AM radio sound byte, and you went into a fury of name calling and personal attacks. Remember the "dirt bag" remarks? There were several.

Hypocrite.
Good job Luke , Open the shades and let the hypocrisy shine through. :D

[NL7W]

Kinda like you sounded last September, eh? I remarked one of your posts sounded like an AM radio sound byte, and you went into a fury of name calling and personal attacks. Remember the "dirt bag" remarks? There were several.

Hypocrite.

Luke, use the Force... the force of reason.

I was new to vitriol spewed forth here and there. I wised up, and my buttons aren't so easily pushed now. :)

Those who can play nicely and get along are welcome, I'm sure. Can we share the same sandbox without messin' in it?

73, OM.




P.S. I still really like the relationship between my hiking boots, dirt, and dirtbags... quite good, actually. Losin' the dirt between boot cleats is the goal of those entering my house through the arctic entryway (mudroom). :D

[ad4mg]

Good job Luke , Open the shades and let the hypocrisy shine through. :D

Well, I'll say what others won't. The point I was making is that the very thing that Dave was banned for goes on around here all the time. It isn't about keeping things civil, and the moderators "saying" here that bringing up someone else getting away with the same things is no excuse.

That's a cop-out, and just a convenient way to dodge the truth. The truth is, and Fred says so in his post, that if you irritate the wrong person, you're more likely to be booted. His site, his prerogative, but it isn't fair (which Fred also notes is not applicable), and I don't like it. Many others feel the same way.

The proper way to do this is to simply apply the rules equally. To friend or foe. By their own admission, this isn't the way things are done here. QRZ is the most popular amateur radio related site on the web, and perhaps they've become smug about this ... I don't know.

And not one iota of complaint do I offer about the way I've personally been treated here. Nor do I have major heartburn over past bannings and/or warnings to others. It's just this one that sticks in my craw as being wrong. And I can't say that Dave didn't deserve some sort of correction ... he was angry and upset, but a PERMANENT ban? And ALL the others involved in the same fur ball just have their posts edited for "correctness" and they continue spewing, unabated?

Nope, I don't have to like it. And no, I wouldn't be surprised to see my posting privileges removed for having the audacity to speak my mind. I would, however, be interested in which of the rules I've broken for having my say.

So, it is what it is, and there really isn't any more to add, at least from my perspective.

[NL7W]

... he was angry and upset, but a PERMANENT ban? And ALL the others involved in the same fur ball just have their posts edited for "correctness" and they continue spewing, unabated?

He was always angry and upset. We had to coax reasonable converse out of him before he'd oblige. What more is there to say?

[kf6rdn]

Uh, I did. Note the quotes by the station with the callsign "ad4mg".

I was very careful to include my comments, as well as others.

Click the link.

I provided everything you ask for, and more.

Enjoy.

Except for the cup of coffee I obviously need..
:D

[KD6NIG]

I've always found the best way to tick off the hornets that could ban you from a site is to give the nest a few more swift kicks.

If it wasn't for the patience of many of the mods around here, I have a feeling there would be a lot more bans than are already present.

One of these days the hornets are going to say "enough!" and its going to get interesting.

[ad4mg]

I've always found the best way to tick off the hornets that could ban you from a site is to give the nest a few more swift kicks.

If it wasn't for the patience of many of the mods around here, I have a feeling there would be a lot more bans than are already present.

One of these days the hornets are going to say "enough!" and its going to get interesting.

I firmly believe my life would go on quite normally without membership on any particular internet forum.

If stating the truth is kicking the hornets nest, then so be it. I only repeated specific statements I've read right here on this site. I fail to see an issue, unless the truth is too much to bear.

If they said "enough!", and applied the rules equally to all, the active posting membership around here would drop by 50%.

[ad5mb]

Would you say the things NX6D says to other people, face to face?

Would you allow a dependent child to say the things he said?

How much of his abuse would you take, face to face, day after day?

Would you invite him to hang out with your buds, watch a game?

Would you want to work with him?

If you were an employer, would you tolerate an employee like him treating other employees like that? Or customers?

Not in my world.

[w6ire]

I've always found the best way to tick off the hornets that could ban you from a site is to give the nest a few more swift kicks.

If it wasn't for the patience of many of the mods around here, I have a feeling there would be a lot more bans than are already present.

One of these days the hornets are going to say "enough!" and its going to get interesting.

I think the mods are doing a great job. They allow spirited debate and you have to really be malicious before you get the boot. This is a very stimulating forum and it's because the mods are cool. If they suddenly became overzealous the forum would suffer.

[ad4mg]

Would you say the things NX6D says to other people, face to face?

Would you allow a dependent child to say the things he said?

How much of his abuse would you take, face to face, day after day?

Would you invite him to hang out with your buds, watch a game?

Would you want to work with him?

If you were an employer, would you tolerate an employee like him treating other employees like that? Or customers?

Not in my world.

In your world, would you allow Steve to call you a dirt bag to your face? A loser to your face? If you were an employer, would you have allowed NL7W to address your customers as "dirt-bags"?

See, you failed to see the point. I can find literally hundreds of examples and play the "would you" game with you all night.

No, I'm not defending Dave. If the 2 or 3 others involved in the same fur ball had received the same treatment, I wouldn't be griping.

You are unable to see beyond your politically partisan point of view. Put that away, re-read what I posted, and try again.

Otherwise, coddle back up to your medium wave radio spewing right wing rhetoric.

The question is ... can you think outside of your narrow little box?

[ad5mb]

See, you failed to see the point. I can find literally hundreds of examples and play the "would you" game with you all night.

In my world, that behavior gets you fired. 29 years on the job. I've seen people that didn't make it half a day.

In my world you show respect to everybody. You don't have to feel it but you have to show it.

Political partisanship has nothing to do with nothing. He is a mean nasty rude obnoxious individual - behind a keyboard. Toe to toe with yours truly he would wet himself.

I predict you're next. You are about .1 db less mean spirited than NX6D.

[NL7W]

Get real, Steve. It took you 3-1/2 years to learn to be civil? You joined in Feb. '04, and you didn't figure this out until AFTER Sep. '07? Slow learner, eh?

And you think Dave deserved a permanent ban? That's no surprise, as he often disagreed with you. There were many remarks made about Dave's QTH, quite hateful little quips. Perhaps he had a reason to be a little angry.

Shall I dig up some of those?

Or shall we, as you suggest, "play nice"?

Yes, I do not like Cali -- home of fruits and nuts. That's for sure. I still don't. The Peoples' Republic of Cali is not for me. Is it for you? We Alaskans wish they'd play in their own back yard, instead of ours -- those busybodies -- wanting to tell us what we can and cannot do with our State.

I wasn't introduced to the gunslingers of the wild, wild, "Ragchew" section, and it's recent spin-off, politics, till recently, or less than two years, I believe. I dealt with other pertinent issues like regulation by bandwidth and the no code / know code debate, in other forums, for years.

That's the truth of it.



P.S. As Yoda would say of the Force, "It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." Dave's midi-clorian count was nill... :D

[NL7W]

Would you say the things NX6D says to other people, face to face?

Would you allow a dependent child to say the things he said?

How much of his abuse would you take, face to face, day after day?

Would you invite him to hang out with your buds, watch a game?

Would you want to work with him?

If you were an employer, would you tolerate an employee like him treating other employees like that? Or customers?

Not in my world.

Agreed. Being obnoxious once in awhile -- ok. Being obnoxious all the time -- not.

[ad4mg]

I predict you're next. You are about .1 db less mean spirited than NX6D.

How's that? Because you don't like what I have to say? Because you don't agree with what I say?

What do you base your prediction upon? Mean spirited isn't against the rules, is it?

Like I said, you cannot think outside of the narrow, politically partisan confines of your cerebral box. You can't stand what I say because I've dared to speak out about the corrupt criminal regime running this country.

Yeah, I'll probably be next, but it will be because of the right wingnut bed wetters around here who can't stand an opposing point of view. They have developed a pattern of crying to the moderators.

You like free speech, as long as it consists of what you want to hear. Like all the others here who disagree with what I say, it is your desire that I not be allowed to speak.

The air around this place is so full of hypocrisy, it's a miracle nobody has choked to death.

Mike, al2i, has this place pegged perfectly.

[ad4mg]

Agreed. Being obnoxious once in awhile -- ok. Being obnoxious all the time -- not.

What is, and isn't obnoxious, is a judgment call. It is fortunate for many that it isn't your judgment upon which decisions around here are based.

[KG4CGC]

I'm not here to judge one person or another but, I am in support of Dave NX6D.
While I feel the decision is not in fairness, it is Fred's site.

[KG4CGC]

I've always found the best way to tick off the hornets that could ban you from a site is to give the nest a few more swift kicks.

If it wasn't for the patience of many of the mods around here, I have a feeling there would be a lot more bans than are already present.

One of these days the hornets are going to say "enough!" and its going to get interesting.

I actually think that scenario has already occurred a couple of years back.
Secret Squirrels.

[AC0H]

What is, and isn't obnoxious, is a judgment call. It is fortunate for many that it isn't your judgment upon which decisions around here are based.

You're correct.
It's Fred's and he's made his decision.
"Fairness" is immaterial.
I've been around online forums like this one for a long time and the one truth that deosn't seem to resonate with some users is that we are ALL guests. We are allowed to post according to Freds rules. Freds rules can change on a whim, probably proportionally to Fred's aggravation level.

[N2RJ]

Agreed. Being obnoxious once in awhile -- ok. Being obnoxious all the time -- not.

So you just admitted that your behavior on this forum is unacceptable?

[n4mxz]

You generally get banned for using foul language here, and since you can't say a-hole on TV, my hunch is that sayiing a-hole here isn't welcome either.

Yes, you can say a**hole on TV, and it is used in it's entirety quite frequently.

[M3ZMT]

TV is full of 'em!

[N2RJ]

Yes, you can say a**hole on TV, and it is used in it's entirety quite frequently.

On cable TV, sure. In fact you can even say the F word on cable.

On broadcast TV, I don't think so.

[NL7W]

What is, and isn't obnoxious, is a judgment call. It is fortunate for many that it isn't your judgment upon which decisions around here are based.

Have a great day, Luke. And, remember the Force...

[NL7W]

So you just admitted that your behavior on this forum is unacceptable?

I would never say that.

I will say this, "I am not perfect."

Are you? :D

[N2RJ]

I would never say that.

I will say this, "I am not perfect."

Are you? :D

I'm not, but my postings reflect reality.

[KW4MW]

Like I said, you cannot think outside of the narrow, politically partisan confines of your cerebral box. You can't stand what I say because I've dared to speak out about the corrupt criminal regime running this country.

That's usually how these fights start - is NX6D leaning over your shoulder? :)

Yeah, I'll probably be next, but it will be because of the right wingnut bed wetters around here who can't stand an opposing point of view. They have developed a pattern of crying to the moderators. . . . . .

Ah, another 6D ploy, playing the victim :)

The air around this place is so full of hypocrisy, it's a miracle nobody has choked to death.


I assume that you've included yourself among those hypocrites. .

[KW4MW]

I'll say this about myself. I've gone beyond the pale many times and I've been warned by the moderators on more than a few occasions to pull my horns in and I've even been on double secret probation. :)

Dave NX6D was usually one of the first to reply to any comment or post I made, typically in a deprecating manner. Many an exchange between us would escalate into a barrage of name calling, insults and one upmanships until we both had reached the point of no return. In truth, despite what others may think, I enjoyed the exchange and I think that Dave did also. The last few months we actually had a few exchanges on the friendly side. Dave’s downfall IMHO was that he took things too seriously and emotionally.

I'll miss the OF (is that OK to use?)

I’m no angel but you will note as of late that I’ve backed waaaayyyy off the intra forum bashing. It just doesn’t appeal to me as being worth the effort. Besides I don’t see the political scene anymore as left vs right, I see it more as we citizens’ vs a corrupt government. That should be our common discourse.

[ad4mg]

Originally Posted by ad4mg
Like I said, you cannot think outside of the narrow, politically partisan confines of your cerebral box. You can't stand what I say because I've dared to speak out about the corrupt criminal regime running this country.
That's usually how these fights start - is NX6D leaning over your shoulder?
That's pretty stupid, Mike. Usually, the fights start when some little person feels the need to inject his playground rhetoric into a discussion that didn't previously interest him. It looks more like you wish to start something here. I'm stating facts, and quoting what has appeared on this site. That the 5 station cannot understand the point I wish to make reflects poorly on him. Somebody failed him during the developmental portion of his youth. I can't fix that.

Originally Posted by ad4mg
Yeah, I'll probably be next, but it will be because of the right wingnut bed wetters around here who can't stand an opposing point of view. They have developed a pattern of crying to the moderators. . . . . .
Ah, another 6D ploy, playing the victim
Nope, not a victim yet. This thread and my comments, when noticed, could change that. But I'll gain understanding as to the character of people running this place, and if removed from here will shrug it off as not worth the effort to begin with. Just pointing out observed fact. Try to keep up, Mikey, I realize what a struggle this is for you.

Originally Posted by ad4mg
The air around this place is so full of hypocrisy, it's a miracle nobody has choked to death.
I assume that you've included yourself among those hypocrites. .
Not at all. Unlike you, and many others here, I'm not afraid to say exactly what I mean. No sugar coating, just the full blown deal. And, unlike you and others around here, when proven wrong, or mistaken, or in the event I insult someone who didn't deserve such, I apologize.

You and the rest of the right wing noise machine around this place only live to make noise. And your pretending to be anything other than a right wing zealot lately has drawn more then one chuckle from myself. You look quite foolish in the attempt.

Tell me again, Mikey, what was your reason for stopping by here and directing your spewage specifically towards me? Have I angered you? Have I commented on anything you've posted in the last 6 months? Or, are you being the hypocrite, accusing me of trying to start a fight, when it was your intention to do so when you typed the first letter in your post.

I'm convinced it's the latter.

Have a nice meltdown, Mikey.

[n0ov]

Why don't we invite Dave back so he can weigh in on the topic...............

[ad4mg]

Why don't we invite Dave back so he can weigh in on the topic...............

Well, you'll have to take that up with Fred.

What so ironic, especially in light of Mike's post above, is that Dave said he isn't much interested in returning. So I guess once you convince Fred, then you'll have to get Dave to reconsider.

A long row to hoe.

[n0ov]

Well, you'll have to take that up with Fred.

What so ironic, especially in light of Mike's post above, is that Dave said he isn't much interested in returning. So I guess once you convince Fred, then you'll have to get Dave to reconsider.

A long row to hoe.

Heck, Dave is probably having fun talking with folks on the radio..........

Will miss him -- he's the kind of guy that when you said, "someone was making a perfect ass of themselves" he would respond "no one is perfect."

[n4mxz]

On cable TV, sure. In fact you can even say the F word on cable.

On broadcast TV, I don't think so.


Certainly you can..and just about anything but the F word, the S word and the C word and variants.

a**hole unbleeped on:
Law and Order, House, Nash Bridges, and others

NYPD Blue </SPAN>--11/10/98 10:00 p.m. ABC</SPAN>
A conversation between a man and Detective Andy Sipowicz:</SPAN>
Man: "These two a**holes arguing all night?"</SPAN>
Andy: "That b**ch, Trish… You want to press charges..."

[ad4mg]

Heck, Dave is probably having fun talking with folks on the radio..........

Will miss him -- he's the kind of guy that when you said, "someone was making a perfect ass of themselves" he would respond "no one is perfect."

I understand he's putting more time into his hobby of restoring old classic automobiles. I recall that he was rebuilding a one barrel Holley carb for his Rambler last I heard.

If you don't know where he hangs out, shoot me a PM. Dave didn't have to agree with you to be you're friend, unlike many here. I'm sure he would be happy to hear from you, and you are certainly very welcome to join us there.

Although most everyone knows about the site I speak of, but I'm playing it low key right now. I currently have a stalker from here doing his best to cause mischief there. It seems he can't muster the courage to face me here or there, so he's taken to some pretty cowardly tactics. Not at all unexpected. There are some seriously whacked out individuals posting on the internet these days.

See ya, dude. 73.

[kc9jwa]

Well this is the numbe rone site, i try get all my friends to go here, most do, i dont think you guys are mean. Just sometimes stress needs released, i know not what to say lol, i do loveit here keeps me occupied. So sometimes people yell or judge ok not good but then again no ones perfect, me i just take it in stride, let it go, then its all good. Yeah newbies well gotta kinda watch it then once they get used to it, they will adapt. I been to worse where your on a sight you think you got friends then next thing you know your banned for some dumb reason, me they didnt understand me, so oh well, i got my friedns they live on the other side of town. Plus we are hams at least we know how to act, and teach.:):cool:

[NL7W]

I'm not, but my postings reflect reality.

Your reality is owned by YOU, and nobody else. You are unique; so am I. Our psychological neuroses, anxieties, abilities, motivations, intentions, memories, and temperaments aside, everyone's "reality" is different. Reality is tinged by individuals' totality of experiences. :eek:

The Cultural Perspective...

Perceptibles are what reach the brain, but they are not what may be perceived. Rather, perceptibles reach intuitive awareness through the cultural schema and the cultural system of meanings-values. The schema consists of the fundamental culture-given categories for making the perceptibles intelligible and the cultural framework for their interpretation. Cause and effect, relation, space, and time are such categories, as are, more specifically, up-down, right-left, and north-south. The schema provides orientation toward the perceptibles. The cultural system of meanings-values gives the perceptibles their significance, invests them with meaningfulness for us, informs them with design, assigns them purpose, and bestows them with value. The perceptibles are given their interpretative importance through the meanings-values system and oriented through the schema for our practical judgment and behavior.

What reaches our brain is not directly what is out there in its totality, although the perceptibles may be more or less patterned after external reality or comprise aspects or facets of realities as a landscape painting more or less copies the real terrain.

Everyone's reality is DIFFERENT! Given the group here, plainly obvious this is.


and...


"The conception of a world of understanding is then only a point of view which reason finds itself compelled to take outside the appearances in order to conceive itself as practical."
-----Kant, The Metaphysics of Morals III, "Concluding Research"

Your "world of understanding" is no better than someone else's...



Toodles.

[kf6rdn]

Yes, I do not like Cali -- home of fruits and nuts. That's for sure. I still don't. The Peoples' Republic of Cali is not for me. Is it for you? We Alaskans wish they'd play in their own back yard, instead of ours -- those busybodies -- wanting to tell us what we can and cannot do with our State.

I wasn't introduced to the gunslingers of the wild, wild, "Ragchew" section, and it's recent spin-off, politics, till recently, or less than two years, I believe. I dealt with other pertinent issues like regulation by bandwidth and the no code / know code debate, in other forums, for years.

That's the truth of it.



P.S. As Yoda would say of the Force, "It surrounds us, and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." Dave's midi-clorian count was nill... :D



I have this image - a 40s year old dude sittin in his mother's basement with Star Wars posters all over...
:eek:

And he says Californians are nutty...
:D :D Bahahahah!

[NL7W]

I have this image - a 40s year old dude sittin in his mother's basement with Star Wars posters all over...
:eek:

And he says Californians are nutty...
:D :D Bahahahah!

You are FUNNY!

http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/Funny_Pictures_Star-Wars_Yoda_with_Muscles.jpg


Yoda wasn't always an old dude, you know... Botox couldn't erase the early lines in his face.


...and dare I say:

http://www.forumsextreme.com/imgs1/fSW_MoreWookiee.jpg

We're talking about Dave... it figures. Given his past demeanor, his "wookie" must have been in short supply.

[KB9YCO]

I just want to say first off that most internet forums wouldn't put up with a quarter of what I've seen go on around here. I've been here for awhile and I am consistently amazed that they tolerate as much as they do on what is not really a political debate forum, it's mostly an amateur radio website. That being said I can't determine what's been fair or not (mostly because I just don't pay that much attention to it, it's just entertainment to me), nor would I presume to know what sparks the 'powers that be' to decide what they choose to do on a private website. The fact that they provide these forums for free (though you are free to donate!), and even expanded into the political forum for a separate area to rant and rave should be appreciated by all, I would hope anyway. I know I've wasted many an hour here, and I mean wasted in a nice way, it was all entertainment to me.

Secondly, there is one simple solution to all of this, that is don't get involved in all the personal attacks! Period, end of story. It seems to me that most of the people that I've seen here that have had problems were the ones that took one thing or another too seriously and just couldn't stop typing in their ticked off state. That goes nowhere, it isn't a "debate", and it doesn't lead to anything other than more mudslinging. I'm not saying it's all been fair, or that people haven't had a reason to be upset, I'm just saying that going down that road is what seems to cause the problem(s).

I never had any problem with Dave, though he did tell me I was "wishy-washy" for not "choosing a side" when it came to political issues. I thought it was funny (again, all entertainment to me), I don't choose sides, I vote and think based on objectivity, at least as much as any human possibly can. But, do you think I really cared when he said that? Do you think I returned it with an insult? No, because there is no point to it. Again, the safest solution for everyone is too not get involved in all of that. If a thread starts going that direction then just bow out of it. If there's a problem then 'run and tell' and just keep away. Probably, the larger problem is just people taking themselves or the issues way too seriously, life is too short for that sh.. I mean stuff.

Yes, you can say a**hole on TV, and it is used in it's entirety quite frequently.

Certainly you can..and just about anything but the F word, the S word and the C word and variants.

a**hole unbleeped on:
Law and Order, House, Nash Bridges, and others

NYPD Blue </SPAN>--11/10/98 10:00 p.m. ABC</SPAN>
A conversation between a man and Detective Andy Sipowicz:</SPAN>
Man: "These two a**holes arguing all night?"</SPAN>
Andy: "That b**ch, Trish… You want to press charges..."

Those are all old examples I believe. I know NYPD no longer exists, nor does Nash Bridges. (I've also never heard it on House which I've watched since the beginning, but I could be wrong, it's rare but possible. ;) ) Thanks to the lovely people at the FCC, and that wonderful Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction" and corresponding paranoia, I am pretty sure all of those words mentioned are 'verboten' these days. (I believe that NYPD Blue was one the shows that received a fine or warning, for a butt shot as I recall as well as language.) The FCC deciding on content is a little troublesome to me, but that is an entirely different debate, certainly for a different thread. Either way I am pretty sure that any of those words mentioned will get you in trouble in the broadcast spectrum these days. Well, at least if it's before 11pm (?) and after 6am (?), whatever the so-called safe harbor times are. 12am to 5am? I don't remember, or really care that much. Around here at least, I never hear or see anyone using 'safe harbor' anymore for their more controversial material, I think all of the major broadcasting companies have become so paranoid, and railroaded to be 'family' all the time, that they just maintain a policy of wimpyness at all times.

[n4mxz]

Those are all old examples I believe. I know NYPD no longer exists, nor does Nash Bridges. (I've also never heard it on House which I've watched since the beginning, but I could be wrong, it's rare but possible. ;) ) Thanks to the lovely people at the FCC, and that wonderful Superbowl "wardrobe malfunction" and corresponding paranoia, I am pretty sure all of those words mentioned are 'verboten' these days. (I believe that NYPD Blue was one the shows that received a fine or warning, for a butt shot as I recall as well as language.) The FCC deciding on content is a little troublesome to me, but that is an entirely different debate, certainly for a different thread. Either way I am pretty sure that any of those words mentioned will get you in trouble in the broadcast spectrum these days. Well, at least if it's before 11pm (?) and after 6am (?), whatever the so-called safe harbor times are. 12am to 5am? I don't remember, or really care that much. Around here at least, I never hear or see anyone using 'safe harbor' anymore for their more controversial material, I think all of the major broadcasting companies have become so paranoid, and railroaded to be 'family' all the time, that they just maintain a policy of wimpyness at all times.

The statement was:
Originally Posted by N2RJ http://forums.qrz.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?p=1201595#post1201595)
You generally get banned for using foul language here, and since you can't say a-hole on TV......




Sure you can, strictly speaking :p


Semantics aside, there are no prohibitions against that word specifically. Network paranoia notwithstanding, there have been no FCC statements or actions that I could find regarding that word ..either directly or indirectly.
The only question here might be that it should not be used before 10pm, although personally I don't believe that the word in question rises to the level of indecency; as defined.



http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html
Obscene Broadcasts Are Prohibited at All Times





Obscene material is not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and cannot be broadcast at any time. The Supreme Court has established that, to be obscene, material must meet a three-pronged test:
An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.Indecent Broadcast Restrictions
The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.
The courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of the day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience.
Consistent with a federal indecency statute and federal court decisions interpreting the statute, the Commission adopted a rule that broadcasts -- both on television and radio -- that fit within the indecency definition and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are prohibited and subject to indecency enforcement action.
Profane Broadcast Restrictions
The FCC has defined profanity as “including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance.”
Like indecency, profane speech is prohibited on broadcast radio and television between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

[n4sva]

In my world, that behavior gets you fired. 29 years on the job. I've seen people that didn't make it half a day.

In my world you show respect to everybody. You don't have to feel it but you have to show it.

Political partisanship has nothing to do with nothing. He is a mean nasty rude obnoxious individual - behind a keyboard. Toe to toe with yours truly he would wet himself.

I predict you're next. You are about .1 db less mean spirited than NX6D.

By Golly, you were right!

[NC5P]

They seem to tolerate a lot more in the political thread than elsewhere. I have been somewhat abusive in the past, though not directed at anyone here. I took a leave for a couple of months to cool off. Actually was amazed I wasn't banned when I came back. I'm trying to stay off threads that upset me, though I fell off the wagon a few days ago with one post where I quoted (without quoting) a comment of G Gordon Liddy. It's hard for some of us when a news item riles us.

[ad5mb]

By Golly, you were right!

Ok, I sit this round out.

Who's next?