View Full Version : A very STUPID video form Greenpeace
k4kyv
04-20-2008, 07:50 AM
I am often sympathetic with the causes espoused by Greenpeace, not that I blindly follow their party line.
But this, which took place in Berlin, has to rank right up there amongst the most retarded acts that I have ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxBRiWsCoI
k5syn
04-20-2008, 09:03 AM
Oh the sweet sweet irony. Calling for efficiency by wasting bulbs, a steamroller, the bandwidth it took to watch this, and our time :D
K8MHZ
04-20-2008, 03:49 PM
So much for walking barefoot in Berlin.
I wonder who had to clean up the mess.
True, it's a dim idea since none of the light bulbs are glowing above anybody's head.
Of course there's the problem of properly disposing gazillions of dead light bulbs in an appropriate (wait for it...) receptacle so they don't affect the environment, but that's another problem.
k4kyv
04-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Does anyone remember the campaign circa 1956, to have people exchange carbon filament light bulbs for regular tungsten ones? Many of those old turn-of-the-century carbon filaments had been faithfully burning for over half a century, but the problem was that they commonly had a negative resistance characteristic that caused them to self-oscillate in the VHF range, causing interference to TV reception. So the industry launched a drive to get people to swap each bulb even for a new tungsten-filament bulb (that might last 6 months). They promised to crush all the carbon-filament ones they collected, to make sure they could never find their way into a socket to interfere with another TV, ever again. I remember reading about the campaign in Radio and Television News, Popular Mechanics, Popular Science and maybe in Popular Electronics.
The last time I was at the Dayton flea market, a vendor had a collection of those "antique" pear-shaped carbon filament bulbs with the little evacuation tit on top of the glass, selling them for something like $30 each.
W4INF
04-20-2008, 07:45 PM
I think on the first pass, abt 4 bulbs got crushed... It did more pushing than anything else. That said, it is obvious no one did a trial run before inviting all the media! Muahhaaaa!
m3vds
04-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Stupid idiots
KD6NIG
04-21-2008, 06:11 PM
The irony of it all was using a nice currently smogged steamroller.
What cracks me up lately is the number of SUV's I see driving around with one person in it with such stickers on the back. I have seen more and more of them lately.
I guess the laws of "save the planet" only apply to all us other suckers.
Nearly all of the bulbs in my house are CFL now, except the ones that are on dimmer.
I think we should get rid of incandescent bulbs, and I think that rising energy prices are giong to force people to do just that.
But this video from greenpeace is silly.
w3bny
04-21-2008, 07:42 PM
CFL's....HAH Exchange a cobra for a rattle snake! So we dont waste energy and increase green house gas. Now we have another source of mercury to inundate landfill. WHEEE! (on edit.... I also have a box full of bad/RF stinkers that the landfill wont take because of the mercury issues)
And for the record, yeah I use them but not exclusively. They stink...no they SUCK on a dimmer (even the dimmable ones). Getting one that is a RF stinker is a possiblility and again with the mercury issues. Yeah sure its miniscule but take a 1,000 miniscules and they become a concern.
CFL's....HAH Exchange a cobra for a rattle snake! So we dont waste energy and increase green house gas. Now we have another source of mercury to inundate landfill. WHEEE! (on edit.... I also have a box full of bad/RF stinkers that the landfill wont take because of the mercury issues)
And for the record, yeah I use them but not exclusively. They stink...no they SUCK on a dimmer (even the dimmable ones). Getting one that is a RF stinker is a possiblility and again with the mercury issues. Yeah sure its miniscule but take a 1,000 miniscules and they become a concern.
Don't be silly. The mercury issue is about the dumbest thing I keep hearing over and over.
We have been using fluorescent lamps and mercury filled thermostats for years now and no one seemed to complain about mercury except when their precious energy hog incandescent bulbs are being taken away from them.
As for throwing CFLs away - that's why you recycle them. Ikea has been taking them, as well as many municipal recycling centers.
Besides, I hear no one complaining about the mercury being released from coal fired power plants, which is a far greater concern than a few light bulbs.
w6ire
04-21-2008, 08:03 PM
I joined GreenPeace about 20 years ago. I only did it 'cause there were a lot of hot chicks in it. I seriously couldn't care less about the environment or big business how many baby seals get clubbed to death. I may look like a hippy, but I love guns, fillet mignon and Ronald Reagan, but I kept all this a secret. But anyway, the hottest chicks in the world are in GreenPeace, so I highly recommend it just for the dating opportunities...
w3bny
04-21-2008, 08:05 PM
No seriously. By themselves each one has about 5mg of mercury and that of itself aint alot. But again its adds up and toxicity of mecury is still pretty high. High enough that the EPA/Energy star has a procedure to clean up a CFL breakage. Is there one (HAZMAT) procedure for a broken incandesent? more than likely not.
I am not denying that CFL's save energy and in turn reduce green house gasses and other nasties. But you just gotta wonder in the next few years when more and more of these bulbits are placed into service and busted by kids/dogs/cats/whatever that billy jo jimbob consumer who dosnt separate his trash sure as hell isnt going to be concerned about mercury in a bulb much less to not vacuum one up.
Again yes I do use them, No, I am not driving 3 hrs to Ikea to recycle one and when the dump takes them again... I will be sure they go there. Until then its hold all trash and garbage on station.
I remember once that they tried to approach a Navy nuclear submarine facility that I worked at to protest.
They were warned my boats armed with M60's (my personal preference from the RVN period) that they would be shot.
The protest ended shortly thereafter. :rolleyes:
700 each 7.62 rounds per minute will impress even a hard case.
w6ire
04-21-2008, 09:02 PM
Typical Greenpeace babe. (maybe not so typical)
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/image_big_teaser/seasia/en/photosvideos/photos/filipino-vj-amanda-griffin-ga.jpg
Most of what I saw in the SF Bay Area looked just one grade above wharf rats.
KI4WCA
04-21-2008, 10:10 PM
No seriously. By themselves each one has about 5mg of mercury and that of itself aint alot. But again its adds up and toxicity of mecury is still pretty high. High enough that the EPA/Energy star has a procedure to clean up a CFL breakage. Is there one (HAZMAT) procedure for a broken incandesent? more than likely not.
I am not denying that CFL's save energy and in turn reduce green house gasses and other nasties. But you just gotta wonder in the next few years when more and more of these bulbits are placed into service and busted by kids/dogs/cats/whatever that billy jo jimbob consumer who dosnt separate his trash sure as hell isnt going to be concerned about mercury in a bulb much less to not vacuum one up.
Again yes I do use them, No, I am not driving 3 hrs to Ikea to recycle one and when the dump takes them again... I will be sure they go there. Until then its hold all trash and garbage on station.
Yes!The mercury is a penalty, and hardly green!I am waiting for LED bulbs to come out that are inexpensive.The luxeon LED series look excellent.If a good power supply is used 50000 hours to half brightness would be fine by me!
As a VLF enthusiast I do not care for the lame free running oscillators in CFL's.Even so, they are in heavy use at my house for the power saving.
And yes, most CFL's are headed for the landfill.The water supply might be interesting in 100 years.In many places, it already is.Did you see the drugs in the water in NY?Bummer.
kb2vxa
04-22-2008, 12:21 AM
"Ikea has been taking them, as well as many municipal recycling centers."
Next time you're there go round back, a little dumpster diving will reveal the truth. I got a nice slightly used refrigerator that way when they "recycled" those nasty ones that used Freon. Most use ammonia or sulfur dioxide but don't tell anybody or you'll ruin all the fun.
Er, you were saying something about hot Greenpeace chicks?
w6ire
04-22-2008, 01:18 AM
http://forums.qrz.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16896&d=1208823707
This babe is hot!
Green chicks are an extremely rare commodity. If I saw a green woman, I would make a beeline directly to her and chat her up. Oh yeah!
KD6NIG
04-22-2008, 01:32 AM
I joined GreenPeace about 20 years ago. I only did it 'cause there were a lot of hot chicks in it. I seriously couldn't care less about the environment or big business how many baby seals get clubbed to death. I may look like a hippy, but I love guns, fillet mignon and Ronald Reagan, but I kept all this a secret. But anyway, the hottest chicks in the world are in GreenPeace, so I highly recommend it just for the dating opportunities...
But do they smell? I've heard some of them who won't use soap because it damages the environment can make a hamfest smell like roses.....
w6ire
04-22-2008, 01:44 AM
But do they smell? I've heard some of them who won't use soap because it damages the environment can make a hamfest smell like roses.....
Well they didn't back then. But last week I met with an architect at her house, she was about 55, long stringy hair, no shoes or bra and actually was wearing a tie-dyed sun dress. Very earth-motherish hippy-peace type. Now *she* definitely had the B.O. but it wasn't nasty, but it was noticeable. She had hairy arm pits too, which is a nice change of pace these days.
But Josh, I think you're right, the new breed of tree hugger babes don't like deodorant.
http://photos.jpgmag.com/137926_62362_7e44f27b32_p.jpg
No seriously. By themselves each one has about 5mg of mercury and that of itself aint alot. But again its adds up and toxicity of mecury is still pretty high. High enough that the EPA/Energy star has a procedure to clean up a CFL breakage. Is there one (HAZMAT) procedure for a broken incandesent? more than likely not.
Lots of old houses and even newer ones built right up to the 1990's have mercury thermostats. Each thermostat has more mercury than all of the CFL bulbs in all of the houses in my neighborhood combined, and probably more than that too. It is quite a lot.
Considering that many houses have quite a few of these thermostats, that's a lot of mercury.
But you never heard such an alarm about mercury until the "evil lib'ruls" wanted to change out everybody's light bulbs.
In fact, I can bet if the Government wanted to change out everyone's mercury thermostats, there'd be just an uproar about that!
The fact is that the whole "CFLs contain mercury so they're poisonous" thing is FUD spread by people who simply don't want CFLs to gain widespread acceptance, because somehow they feel they're giving in to tree hugging lib'ruls.
No, really. I'm serious, and I'm right.
I am not denying that CFL's save energy and in turn reduce green house gasses and other nasties. But you just gotta wonder in the next few years when more and more of these bulbits are placed into service and busted by kids/dogs/cats/whatever that billy jo jimbob consumer who dosnt separate his trash sure as hell isnt going to be concerned about mercury in a bulb much less to not vacuum one up.
Ho hum. Regular fluorescents have been in use for decades now, and no one seemed concerned until now.
Why all the alarm and concern now, Ren? Why not years ago when we've regular fluorescent lamps with much more mercury than a tiny CFL?
Again yes I do use them, No, I am not driving 3 hrs to Ikea to recycle one and when the dump takes them again... I will be sure they go there. Until then its hold all trash and garbage on station.
I pass Ikea on my way home, and no, Ikea isn't the only place on earth to recycle them. There are places to recycle them, and there will be more in the future.
As a VLF enthusiast I do not care for the lame free running oscillators in CFL's.
I have about 2 dozen CFLs in my house and I don't get any RFI, period.
In fact I have one right next to my radio in my desk lamp.
KI4WCA
04-22-2008, 02:19 AM
I have about 2 dozen CFLs in my house and I don't get any RFI, period.
In fact I have one right next to my radio in my desk lamp.
Try tuning 30 to 70 kc and see what you get.And harmonics galore, however some are worse than others and they get worse as they age.An antenna far from the house helps.Lots of people claim they do not radiate, and that is just a crock.A spectrum analyzer would show what I am talking about.The lower in frequency you go, the worse they are.Note I said VLF.