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n2ize
04-19-2008, 11:05 PM
The Bush ecnomomy's lookin better all the time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002138.html?nav=rss_nation
N4VGB
04-19-2008, 11:30 PM
Yes indeed it is but I'm shocked that you'd acknowledge it! :p:p:p
The Bush ecnomomy's lookin better all the time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002138.html?nav=rss_nation
Nope --- need to expand your statement a bit because Bush is not the only BOZO that put us here. If memory serves a lot of other folks were elected to the House and Senate that have done absolutely nothing to make things better since the last elections.
Time to pull the handle, hear the flush and get a new crop in those seats.....
Actually -- good article, provides a good perspective. Kansas City is experience similar issues, with one notable exception. As they begin to lay off city employees it seems the money can be found to give the Mayor and the Counsel their pay raises..............
kc7jty
04-20-2008, 06:31 AM
maybe the billion $ vacuums at KBR & Blackwater can throw us a few crumbs?
Hey W..... tell us about your spread in Paraguay. ¿Habla usted español? eyuk, eyuk, eyuk (W's goofy laugh)
W4INF
04-20-2008, 07:43 AM
Its going to get worse, before it gets better... If it gets better.
What do we do when we need to pay China back on the stimulus loan? From bad to worse.
Andrew
Nope --- need to expand your statement a bit because Bush is not the only BOZO that put us here. If memory serves a lot of other folks were elected to the House and Senate that have done absolutely nothing to make things better since the last elections.
Time to pull the handle, hear the flush and get a new crop in those seats.....
Actually -- good article, provides a good perspective. Kansas City is experience similar issues, with one notable exception. As they begin to lay off city employees it seems the money can be found to give the Mayor and the Counsel their pay raises..............
Close, but not quite. While this Congress is pretty pathetic and has done nothing to make it better they haven't actually made it worse either. It was the Republican led Congress that got us here under the leadership of DeLay, Bohner and Bush. It's past time for the Republican voters to admit their party is following untenable policy over a cliff and vote accordingly.
I agree with the flush maneuver, if it's incumbent vote it out then repeat for the next 4 or 5 elections until these parasites get the picture that they work for us and not the other way around.
The parasites ALWAYS congratulate themselves for just being there regardless of their performance in the job. Raises for politicians should be voted on, at least they would then be tied to performance and not privilege.
Its going to get worse, before it gets better... If it gets better.
What do we do when we need to pay China back on the stimulus loan? From bad to worse.
Andrew
You sell them your infrastructure. And they know this.
OR you could just declare the debt null and void, default and never be trusted by any other nation on the planet ever again.
Tough choices either way.
kc7jty
04-20-2008, 06:40 PM
Its going to get worse, before it gets better... If it gets better.
What do we do when we need to pay China back on the stimulus loan? From bad to worse.
Andrew
That's when they'll get Taiwan.
That's when they'll get Taiwan.
Nice call! Forgot about that angle!
W1GUH
04-20-2008, 10:55 PM
Nope --- need to expand your statement a bit because Bush is not the only BOZO that put us here. If memory serves a lot of other folks were elected to the House and Senate that have done absolutely nothing to make things better since the last elections.
Time to pull the handle, hear the flush and get a new crop in those seats.....
Actually -- good article, provides a good perspective. Kansas City is experience similar issues, with one notable exception. As they begin to lay off city employees it seems the money can be found to give the Mayor and the Counsel their pay raises..............
Yes he is. The Oval Office is the titular leader of the nation, and the FM has done no leading except in the worst of directions.
W4DFW
04-21-2008, 03:10 AM
The Bush ecnomomy's lookin better all the time.
And your mangling of the English language continues beautifully, I might add.
Was there some point you were trying to make? Maybe you would like to live under Jimmy Carter's great economy? I guess record low interest rates, low inflation and unemployment, more folks working than ever, all are just minor details.
No doubt, the current trend appears that it may buck one of the longest periods of quarterly growth in the GDP we have seen in quite some time. In fact, to find a drop in the quarterly GDP, one would have to go back all the way to 2003. Not a bad period of growth we have had.
Had Bush not had to deal with 9/11, who knows what growth we would have seen this decade?
It seems there are many who believe the housing market is the sole indicator of economic growth. I'll let them explain why . . .
k8wpj
04-21-2008, 03:37 AM
Your facts seem slightly askew my friend...
Bush was a key player in the whole 9/11 mess, and knew about it, well in advance... WHAT he knew when may be up for debate in some circles, but, it's clear that he definately knew something before anything happened.
This was all part of his plan to find a way back into the mideast, to avenge his Daddy's failures the lest time he was over there....
Then figure out the cost of oil as an investment over the last few years, and the Bush coffers just keep getting fatter.
Even still, Bush has a proven track record of foriegn interests over US domestic issues, combined with his documented inability to be truthfull, and I think we would still have had to deal with a downturn in the economy. Banking and finance would still have taken a hit because of his lack of any real business sense.
W4DFW
04-21-2008, 05:44 AM
Your facts seem slightly askew my friend...
Bush was a key player in the whole 9/11 mess, and knew about it, well in advance... WHAT he knew when may be up for debate in some circles, but, it's clear that he definately knew something before anything happened.
I guess your spell check doesn't work either, eh??
At any rate, no matter. So Bush was a key player in the 9/11 "mess?"
Cool. Gosh darn, 'ya learn something everyday 'round these parts!! Mostly, it would appear that lib'rul lunes who think Bush had something to do with 9/11 continue to show their, well . . . shucks . . . don't wanna get banned, so I'll just say there's a WHOLE bunch of folks waiting patiently for you to post some wee bit of factual data rather than lib'rul lunacy to back up your stupidity.
And all the while the left-wingnuts claim Bush is dumber than, well, you figure it out. But, he somehow managed to snooker everyone just a few months into office by figuring out this whole 9/11 mess but nevertheless let it happen anyhoo.
Sleep well. Don't forget your Haldol.
Night night . . . :rolleyes:
I guess your spell check doesn't work either, eh??
At any rate, no matter. So Bush was a key player in the 9/11 "mess?"
Cool. Gosh darn, 'ya learn something everyday 'round these parts!! Mostly, it would appear that lib'rul lunes who think Bush had something to do with 9/11 continue to show their, well . . . shucks . . . don't wanna get banned, so I'll just say there's a WHOLE bunch of folks waiting patiently for you to post some wee bit of factual data rather than lib'rul lunacy to back up your stupidity.
And all the while the left-wingnuts claim Bush is dumber than, well, you figure it out. But, he somehow managed to snooker everyone just a few months into office by figuring out this whole 9/11 mess but nevertheless let it happen anyhoo.
Sleep well. Don't forget your Haldol.
Night night . . . :rolleyes:
The MSM and the Liberal 527's have twisted and contorted so many gullible. I've always loved the phrase, "There's a sucker born every minute!" This stuck to P.T. Barnum because he never denied making the quote.
I agree with the flush maneuver, if it's incumbent vote it out then repeat for the next 4 or 5 elections until these parasites get the picture that they work for us and not the other way around.
The parasites ALWAYS congratulate themselves for just being there regardless of their performance in the job. Raises for politicians should be voted on, at least they would then be tied to performance and not privilege.
You get the quote of the day award for this. Common horse sense.
What was the line from the movie Network? "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
W1GUH
04-21-2008, 07:31 PM
You get the quote of the day award for this. Common horse sense.
What was the line from the movie Network? "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
Ahhhhhh....yup! The gummint ALWAYS tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them god!
Yup!
So we can believe anything and everything they say even if there is not one shred of credible physical evidence or corroborating testimony from eyewitnesses that what they say is true.
Yep there are suckers born every minute. And they never learn how to think, see, or hear for themselves. They never dig for facts. They just put down those who do and call them offensive, puerile names.
Nope --- need to expand your statement a bit because Bush is not the only BOZO that put us here. If memory serves a lot of other folks were elected to the House and Senate that have done absolutely nothing to make things better since the last elections.
Time to pull the handle, hear the flush and get a new crop in those seats.....
Actually -- good article, provides a good perspective. Kansas City is experience similar issues, with one notable exception. As they begin to lay off city employees it seems the money can be found to give the Mayor and the Counsel their pay raises..............
Somehow I remember the economy crashing (the dot.com crash) at the end of Clinton's reign in the White House, and extending past and exacerbated by 9/11/2001. Then, the economy picked right up again, due to Bush's tax cuts.
Such cyclic actions make me go, "Hmm..."
[quote=n2ize;1200629]The Bush ecnomomy's lookin better all the time.
This is good for the nation. Like the wild herds out there, only the strong will survive, the weak will die or go somewhere else. Businesses (competition) will go bankrupt, and the welfare rolls will decline. My taxes will go down etc. We don't need no stikin playgrounds, snow plowing or other non-mandatory services. Public servants, teachers, garbage collectors, toll collectors, police, fire will all lay off people. My taxes will go down. We will get a huge surplus and re-distribute the wealth to the wealthy who need it desperately. With this money, they will start new businesses, expand existing businesses and hire people. We're on the road to recovery.
K2WH
Somehow I remember the economy crashing (the dot.com crash) at the end of Clinton's reign in the White House, and extending past and exacerbated by 9/11/2001. Then, the economy picked right up again, due to Bush's tax cuts.
Such cyclic actions make me go, "Hmm..."
That is what is called creative book keeping.
That is what is called creative book keeping.
Creative book keeping = the entire Govt. budget process regardless of who's in the White House. It would be very interesting to see how much debt there really was if GAAP were applied to the country's budget process. I doubt we'll ever know.
We did fight communist China in Korea and Vietnam. Lives wasted. :mad: Globalization is building up the largest communist country in the world. It's all about MONEY folks.... :mad: Our nation is in a moral decline, as I see it. God has been taken out of our schools and now we have all these school shootings. Our politicians aren't ashamed to look us in the face and LIE, Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski". Hilary's sensational sniper fire in that never happened. Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He attends a racist, hatemongering, anti-American church. Mccain is a Vietnam war hero, but I think he is also too liberal. So, we are faced with voting for the least rotten of these candidates. I haven't made up my mind as to who I will vote for. I might be called bitter by some. I know one thing, I am sticking to my guns and religion to see me through this mess. :eek:
N4VGB
04-22-2008, 11:57 PM
I might be called bitter by some. I know one thing, I am sticking to my guns and religion to see me through this mess. :eek:
You just got your name added to the neocon list on here. Congratulations! :)
ad4mg
04-23-2008, 12:03 AM
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You failed to comment on the dick 'n boosh crime syndicate currently raping the country.
But that doesn't surprise anyone here at all.
Not a neocon, 3-D, just another member of the dingleberry dubya fan club.
N4VGB
04-23-2008, 12:30 AM
Not a neocon, 3-D, just another member of the dingleberry dubya fan club.
Who did it? :confused:
kc7jty
04-23-2008, 02:06 AM
We did fight communist China in Korea and Vietnam. Lives wasted. :mad: Globalization is building up the largest communist country in the world. It's all about MONEY folks.... :mad: Our nation is in a moral decline, as I see it. God has been taken out of our schools and now we have all these school shootings. Our politicians aren't ashamed to look us in the face and LIE, Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski". Hilary's sensational sniper fire in that never happened. Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing. He attends a racist, hatemongering, anti-American church. Mccain is a Vietnam war hero, but I think he is also too liberal. So, we are faced with voting for the least rotten of these candidates. I haven't made up my mind as to who I will vote for. I might be called bitter by some. I know one thing, I am sticking to my guns and religion to see me through this mess. :eek:
You are confusing religion with moral compass. It is possible to be moral without religion.
I know who I'm voting for: NOBODY.
Good luck on your guns and religion getting you through.
K0RGR
04-23-2008, 03:37 AM
It's been a long time since we had a real recession, the first Bush administration to be exact, so most people walking around today don't know the meaning of the word.
No, the economy started to dip near the end of the Clinton administration. Bush kicked it off a cliff and into a recession with his remarks about OPEC having a perfect right to sell their oil at any price they want - backing his oil friends while the price of gas and heating oil started to skyrocket. 9/11 saved his royal arse.
The Bush Economic Miracle is a lot like the Reagan Economic Miracle. You find a bunch of foreigners, in this case, the Red Chinese, to buy up America's bonds and our businesses, our factories, and our real estate. You borrow a billion dollars a day from China to cover the billion dollars in bad checks you wrote that day, and the economy looks really rosy. The fact that it's circling the toilet bowl in spite of all this inflation is not a great thing.
W1GUH
04-23-2008, 04:17 AM
This economy is helping the saturation in our rail transportation network.
From the LA Times, 4/7/2008
(And a Google search turns up many more items about this)
Idle cars signal a downturn (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-railcars7apr07,1,3904631.story)
So, I guess the worry about a saturated rail network is less of a worry.
I'm currently personally seeing this in El Segundo. Near where I work there are some BNSF tracks where I had been seeing strings of container cars being stored, presumably to pick up containers at the ports (LA and Long Beach). Those cars have quietly disappeared.
KB9YCO
04-23-2008, 05:19 AM
I'm no economic scholar to be able to squarely put the entire blame in one place, though I don't think that's completely possible anyway given the complexities of how all that works. But, anyone that thinks the economy is getting better is just not really paying attention.
Every time I hear that "more people are working" I wonder where. At the very least I am annoyed by the fact that no one points out that the people that are being re-employed are making less money, with less benefits, and having to spend more due to rising costs largely associated with fuel prices and the inherent effect on the overall economy, i.e. food, necessities, general consumerism. Not to mention (yet again) that the 'unemployment rate' is based on people receiving, or not, unemployment benefits.
Throw on top of that the fact that we have a major housing market crisis, the worst we've seen in 50 years or more, and the economy doesn't look so great there either.
On top of even that we have a record deficit, an extremely expensive war, and one of the highest rates of bankruptcies due largely to the housing problem and medical bills.
A rising poverty rate, a sharper divide between middle class, wealthy, and poor, the highest fuel prices; just where is it all leading to?
I think this administration has done little to help, but I don't think that congress has done much either, needless to say they probably both deserve at least a measure of the blame. But please, go ahead and play the "they did it" partisan game, it's good for a laugh, of course while ignoring the rapidly increasing problems that we are actually experiencing with this economy.
W1GUH
04-23-2008, 06:28 AM
I'm no economic scholar to be able to squarely put the entire blame in one place, though I don't think that's completely possible anyway given the complexities of how all that works. But, anyone that thinks the economy is getting better is just not really paying attention.
Every time I hear that "more people are working" I wonder where. At the very least I am annoyed by the fact that no one points out that the people that are being re-employed are making less money, with less benefits, and having to spend more due to rising costs largely associated with fuel prices and the inherent effect on the overall economy, i.e. food, necessities, general consumerism. Not to mention (yet again) that the 'unemployment rate' is based on people receiving, or not, unemployment benefits.
Throw on top of that the fact that we have a major housing market crisis, the worst we've seen in 50 years or more, and the economy doesn't look so great there either.
On top of even that we have a record deficit, an extremely expensive war, and one of the highest rates of bankruptcies due largely to the housing problem and medical bills.
A rising poverty rate, a sharper divide between middle class, wealthy, and poor, the highest fuel prices; just where is it all leading to?
I think this administration has done little to help, but I don't think that congress has done much either, needless to say they probably both deserve at least a measure of the blame. But please, go ahead and play the "they did it" partisan game, it's good for a laugh, of course while ignoring the rapidly increasing problems that we are actually experiencing with this economy.
Every time I hear that "more people are working" I wonder where. At the very least I am annoyed by the fact that no one points out that the people that are being re-employed are making less money, with less benefits, and having to spend more due to rising costs largely associated with fuel prices and the inherent effect on the overall economy, i.e. food, necessities, general consumerism. Not to mention (yet again) that the 'unemployment rate' is based on people receiving, or not, unemployment benefits.
This started more than twenty years ago. There were lots and lots of words written about it. But then the stories simply disappeared. There was no, "Hey, it's better because..." The stories just disappeared.
And before that, during the 70's, prices went absolutey crazy, notable houses and cars. They just shot up.
Throw on top of that the fact that we have a major housing market crisis, the worst we've seen in 50 years or more, and the economy doesn't look so great there either.
I've read opinions that it's the worst since the Great Depression. This particular problem appears extremely difficult to recover from, if not downright intractable. How do you help out (I think it's) millions of people who all of a sudden have no chance of making their house payments? Not to mention the builders and others who depend on housing for their livlihoods?
Plus, this is putting upward pressure on rentals, so where are the foreclosed going to live? There's going to be one whale of a "correction" here.
A rising poverty rate, a sharper divide between middle class, wealthy, and poor, the highest fuel prices; just where is it all leading to?
I usually put that question out of my mind. I don't like any of the answers I come up with.
But please, go ahead and play the "they did it" partisan game, it's good for a laugh, of course while ignoring the rapidly increasing problems that we are actually experiencing with this economy.[/
So right on and exactly right.
Up to now, it seems as if any economic problem was swept under the rug with rate cuts and "happy rhetoric," not to mention climbing into the sack with Communist Red China for some extra cash. Rising home equity gave homeowners extra cash, or at least the feeling of "extra cash" to borrow against, thereby fueling consumer spending. But it looks like none of these are going to cut it this time, and the grass roots are waking up more and more from the slumber they've been in.
The future's gonna be a whole lot of fun! :(:confused:
n2ize
04-23-2008, 07:02 AM
You failed to comment on the dick 'n boosh crime syndicate currently raping the country.
You don't understand, that's OK. Bush/Cheney and the corrupt war gets the stamp of approval..
Bush made it better....
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YmQ2MGU5MjZhMzk3ZjgyMmYyNzJhYWY5NDlmZjNiMTU=