The Amazing 'First-Contact' by K5CYI.

[GM4BRB]

Whilst Yuri Gagarin’s ‘first Ham in Space’ story, it seems to many, wants to be consigned to the ranks of amateur radio ‘Mythology’, there do exist stories of greater significance, from some perspectives, that cannot be debunked.

I am talking here of Ham Radio’s intimate involvement with our Earthly ‘First Contact’ with beings from other worlds, dimensions or however you prefer to caption so-called visits by ET. Yes, this is a real story. April 1 is way past already.

I can confirm to 100% that the first man on the scene at the alleged 'Roswell wreck' & first to handle debris from said incident was K5CYI, the base intelligence officer at Roswell Army Airfield. (RAAF) NM.
I think this is the first time this particular titbit of Ham knowledge has come out, as my enquiries were the first to bring it to light.

I made my enquiries after hearing several radio interviews mentioning the 'Ham connection'. Jesse Marcel Snr, K5CYI was featured in the famous 'Project Mogul' balloon photographs subsequent to the events of July 1947. He’s the guy kneeling, holding the balloon debris for the press, and looking forlorn.

I had this revelation out the horses' mouth from his son, Jesse Marcel Jnr, sometime around his return from IRAQ, aged 68. He had been serving for 13 months as a flight surgeon with an attack squadron of Black-Hawk choppers.
Hear an interview with Marcel Jnr here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgq-BaU0QcM&eurl=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread324494/pg1

Marcel Jnr has authored a book on the subject & last year did a speaking tour for the 'Roswell-60' anniversary.
A 2-hr DVD with a contribution from Marcel Jnr was produced in the UK.
I can provide a link to that source if anyone needs it.

Returning to K5CYI, Jesse Marcel Snr.
Today 17 Apr. 08 I got this update from Stanton Friedman, leading Roswell researcher, ex-AeroJet Nucleonics, GE Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Dept., GM Allison Division (mil compact reactor program) & Westinghouse.

"Graeme:

[...]
He was, in 1947, Intelligence Officer for the 509th Composite Bomb wing, the only atomic bombing group in the world. They dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. General Ramey, ordered him as reaffirmed later by his Commander, Colonel Blanchard, not to say anything about the wreckage. That he was involved was public knowledge since his name appeared in many newspaper articles and his picture in some even overseas.. Aside from the TV station guy in Baton Rouge, LA, (Johnny Allen) who referred me to Jesse in 1978, I don’t know of anybody who asked Jesse about the wreckage. Johnny who had seen an article in the New Orleans paper which mentioned Jesse was from Houma, told me that when he asked Jesse (they were ham radio buddies), Jesse said he couldn’t say anything about that."

Stan Friedman."

To see Marcel's name in print, check this scan of the Roswell Daily Record coverage for Tuesday, July 8, 1947.
http://www.truthexplorers.com/rdr0708.html

73, Gram.

[W5HTW]

You have a different tradition over there, kind of like our April Fool's Day? What is it called?

Little known is that found on a large section of that "space ship" there was a transceiver. It is generally believed the crash occurred because the pilot was on 20 meters and not paying attention, so he sideswiped Earth. The transceiver was tuned to 14275 khz USB, which was pretty much unheard of in those days.

Even more amazing is the transceiver was connected to the remains of a computer, and it is believed this was the Echolink prototype.

[PR7CPK]

I remember the nostalgic and golden times of the classic space program beginning by USSR and the United States of America, when the russian Yuri Gagarin the first man to make a suborbital flight to outer space in April 12, 1961, sent the historic message to the control mission "THE EARTH IS BLUE".
In the few weeks later, Alan Shepard became the second man in the space, the first of the United States. Since that nostalgic times, I am very fascinated by the space program since the historic Vostok I and Atlas until the classic Apollo missions to the moon.

Edmilson Rodrigues do Ó, PR7CPK

[W9IND]

Interesting bit of reporting, Gram. I'd never heard that Jesse Marcel Sr. was a ham.

It's hard to know exactly what happened in Roswell in 1947, but I do find it interesting that the "official story" has changed more than once over the years. Remember how many years it was said to have been a weather balloon?

The latest "official" account claims that any supposed alien bodies reported by witnesses were actually anthropomorphic test dummies used by the Air Force in scientific research. The fact that this research took place in the 1950s -- nine to 12 years after the Roswell Incident -- makes me wonder who the real dummies are.

Of course, it's also intriguing to see the enlargement of the telegram held by General Ramey in the famous "weather balloon" photo. Does it really refer to the "VICTIMS OF THE WRECK"?

Oh well, whatever the real story is, I don't think we've gotten it yet. The truth is still out there ...

[KI6NNO]

doo dee doo doo, doo dee doo doo...

[KE7PMX]

doo dee doo doo, doo dee doo doo...

Dont forget to wipe real good, and wash your hands when you are finished.:D

[KI6NNO]

Dont forget to wipe real good, and wash your hands when you are finished.:D

hehe, haven't had to do that after watching The Twilight Zone before! :D

[GM4BRB]

Interesting bit of reporting, Gram. I'd never heard that Jesse Marcel Sr. was a ham.

Of course, it's also intriguing to see the enlargement of the telegram held by General Ramey in the famous "weather balloon" photo. Does it really refer to the "VICTIMS OF THE WRECK"?

Oh well, whatever the real story is, I don't think we've gotten it yet. The truth is still out there ...

Thanks. I'll have to get back to you about that.

Of course, I am currently engaged in trying to locate, with the help of anyone reading this, but also Jesse Marcel Jnr's help, I hope, providing he has time, a QSL-card for K5CYI. Perhaps there exists a record of a QSO with '5CYI in someone's long forgotten logbook, or an archived and antique card collection up in the attic :confused:

The 1994 ViaCOM movie 'Roswell' with Kyle MacLachlan as Marcel Snr is, I believe a reasonable portrayal of our man & how the events panned out.

Any memorabilia concerning, or in relation to this fine factual news item, that can enhance the collective memory of, or add to the history or zeitgeist surrounding Roswell and Jesse Marcel Snr., K5CYI, would be warmly received by myself.

Please feel free to Email me or Post here, if you have any such contributions to make. :)

[nf0a]

You have a different tradition over there, kind of like our April Fool's Day? What is it called?

Little known is that found on a large section of that "space ship" there was a transceiver. It is generally believed the crash occurred because the pilot was on 20 meters and not paying attention, so he sideswiped Earth. The transceiver was tuned to 14275 khz USB, which was pretty much unheard of in those days.

Even more amazing is the transceiver was connected to the remains of a computer, and it is believed this was the Echolink prototype.

I LOVE Echolink and long live ECHO-LINK once old farts are EXTINCT...:):D:):D:):D:p

[W5HTW]

A true "Ham like this 1 "Not to be construed as a "Ham Radio Operator".


A true HAM INTERNET operator. Don't need no stinkin' radio waves.

Back to the subject.

What it appears to have been was the crash of a then secret metalicized balloon, used to reflect microwave and radar waves over the horizon. These balloons were also used as aerial targets for the beginning missile technology.

The debris was actually closer to Corona, NM, than to Roswell, but because Roswell had a military installation, (Walker Army Air Base) and the balloon was a military research project, that is where the news release came from.

I knew, though not well, the original radio announcer who broke the news to the public, though I have forgotten his name now. He ended his broadcast career at KOB AM in Albuquerque, but he was a very young fellow at a Roswell radio station back then. He is now deceased.

The balloon had been launched many miles to the southwest, at Alamogordo Bombing Range, and, as the prevailing winds are from southwest to northeast, that is the direction it drifted. That put it over a ranch southeast of Corona. It had been punctured, apparently, by ground fire, but it did not fall apart until near Corona.

The City of Roswell has made many millions off the story! That's a good thing. The UFO Museum is there, and you can't go through the area without seeing UFO signs and gimmicks. It's a fun town.

There is a sign, on US285, between Roswell and Vaughn, pointing to the "UFO Crash Site." It is a long dirt road across the desert, in the direction of Corona. There is a phone number on the sign one can call for tours of the site, but they are not free, by any means. It is private property.

I would love to see a Radio Amateur's Callbook from back then. I was not aware they were issuing "K" call signs in any US call area until around the mid 1950s. Ah, but I discussed that in another thread. Perhaps someone with a 1948 Call Book can look up that call sign and tell us something about it.

Oh. Did I mention? I'm a debunker of UFO stories!! Spent several years chasing them down for the now-defunct NICAP, and somewhere along the line, logic took over.


Ed





The device itself came from what was then the Alamogordo Bombing Range, later to be named White Sands Missile Range. n air base (Walker Air Army Base)

[GM4BRB]

A true "Ham like this 1 "Not to be construed as a "Ham Radio Operator".
[...]
A true HAM INTERNET operator. Don't need no stinkin' radio waves.
Perhaps someone with a 1948 Call Book can look up that call sign and tell us something about it.
[...]
The device itself came from what was then the Alamogordo Bombing Range, later to be named White Sands Missile Range. n air base (Walker Air Army Base)

I have not attempted to turn this forum into a UFO debating or debunking site, there are plenty of other opportunities for that cheap shot. I would not wish to endanger the thread's persistence by engaging in lengthy debate.

Sympathies to you OM, in the loss of interest in the hobby. I was QRT 18 years myself, and went so again in 2002 after witnessing very ugly & un- gentlemanly behaviour on 20 between EU stations. You were first licensed in the year I was born, known to myself only as ‘the best year in human history’.

Hi … hi

Regarding the Crash proper: I can only add in reply:


“Alamagordo was the home to a contingent of Twining's Air Material Command scientists and of Numerous rocket scientists, including the German Contingent of ex-Nazi stooges under Werner Von Braun. [...]
Radio station personnel from Roswell have said they were called from Washington & told to discontinue the coverage of the Corona (Roswell wreck(s)) crashed disk story or lose their licenses.

Roswell was basically a Strategic Air Command base whose primary purpose was not R&D but rather the training of a powerful force of heavy nuclear bombers. It had very high security. Thus Gen. Twining would be an obvious choice for a control group concerning the recovery of crashed flying disks.

The July 14 Alamagordo Daily News noted that Twining had been at Roswell RAAF base on July 11 for a ‘routine’ inspection. No pictures were taken & the inspection was carried out with a very high-ranking team, indicating that it was hardly routine. Clearly,
Twining had already been tasked to look into the possibility of secret Government projects related to high performance aircraft.

Twining, in the 1969 ‘Condon Report — the official name of which was “Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects”, included a letter that recommended to Brigadier General Schulgen at AF HQ, recommends that the complete Datasets should be sent to —‘… the Army, Navy, AEC, JRDB, Air Force Scientific Advisory group, NACA & to the RAND & NEPA projects. (Google/Scroogle these.)

The last six groups were involved with sophisticated technology, not with ongoing defence work.”

TOP SECRET/MAJIC: — The Definitive Study of the Roswell Incident.
By Stanton Friedman.




”Keep on, then, seeking first the Kingdom & his righteousness & all these other things will be added to you.”
— Matt. 6:33

"The primary purpose of debunking is to appeal to, to draw upon & exploit the latent cynicism & incredulity of the previously mislead or as yet uniformed."
— GM4BRB


Best 73,

[n7flt]

For what it's worth, my Summer 1949 "Radio Amateur Call Book Magazine" shows W5CYI as Jesse A. Marcel, Roswell Army Air Field, Roswell, N. Mex.

No two letter state abbreviations, Call Book was two words, and it was still a "Magazine". :-)

Don
n7flt

[GM4BRB]

For what it's worth, my Summer 1949 "Radio Amateur Call Book Magazine" shows W5CYI as Jesse A. Marcel, Roswell Army Air Field, Roswell, N. Mex.

No two letter state abbreviations, Call Book was two words, and it was still a "Magazine". :-)

Don
n7flt

Oh, nice one man! You beauty! That clears up any doubts about the identity of our man.

And again, any further follow-ups on this story, inside information regarding ROSWELL July 1947, & related stories, — please feel completely at ease and free to forward them to me. Your identity will remain hidden & confidential if you so feel inclined to request this. See the callsign lookup facility.

[KH7JJ]

The call is incorrect. Jesse's call was W5CYI, not K5CYI. My 1958 callbook shows W5CYI issued to Jesse Marcel, Houma, LA.

[N7YA]

hehe, haven't had to do that after watching The Twilight Zone before! :D


HAHAHA!! Oh man that was the funniest misunderstanding yet!!

[GM4BRB]

The call is incorrect. Jesse's call was W5CYI, not K5CYI. My 1958 callbook shows W5CYI issued to Jesse Marcel, Houma, LA.

Just to clarify this detail here's the listing for Jesse A. Marcel from a 1949 'Callbook'.

On July 8, Colonel Blanchard at Roswell Army Airfield ordered Lieutenant Walter Haut to put out his press release about the strange wreckage that Mac Brazel found on the Foster ranch.

Haut, Public Information Officer at the base, issued what is probably a unique press release in terms of official honesty:

“The many rumours regarding the Flying Disk became a reality yesterday when the Intelligence Office of the 509th Bomb Camp of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Airfield, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disk through the co-operation of one of the local ranchers and the Sheriff’s office of Chaves County.

The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disk until such time as he was able to contact the Sheriff’s Office, who in turn notified Major Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office.

Action was immediately taken and the disk was picked up at the rancher’s home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters.”

‘Open Skies, Closed Minds’. Nick Pope – ex MOD Air staff Secretariat.

http://www.webstruck.fsnet.co.uk/Images/Callbook - W5CYI.gif