A fine Alaska Republican...

[W3MIV]

swapping earmark information for an interchange in Florida? Does something sound fishy in Denmark, there Polonius? A bit of derring-herring-do?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603480.html?nav=rss_politics

Congress may, indeed, seek criminal charges... seems an Alaska thing here lately.

Check it out:


"Congressman Young has always supported and welcomed an open earmark process. If Congress decides to take up the matter of this particular project, there will be no objection from Mr. Young," said Meredith Kenny, his spokeswoman. Young also sponsored a $223 million measure to build the fabled "Bridge to Nowhere" in Alaska, a project that was killed in 2005 after it sparked widespread outrage.


Young's critics suggest that the motive for the I-75 provision was campaign contributions from real estate developers who own 4,000 acres of land near the proposed interchange. In February 2005, developer Daniel Aronoff hosted Young and Rep. Connie Mack (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m001155/) (R-Fla.) at a highway safety event at Florida Gulf Coast University (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Florida+Gulf+Coast+University?tid=informline), followed by a fundraiser that brought in about $40,000 for Young's campaign.


The developers have been trying for several years to build on the land, whose value would increase if there were a nearby interchange for I-75, which runs east-west between the Naples area and Fort Lauderdale.

Reports about the Aronoff fundraiser for Young in the Naples News prompted inquiries from a local FBI (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Federal+Bureau+of+Investigation?tid=informline) office in 2006.


Local planning officials, who never requested money for the interchange, were outraged to learn after the highway bill became law that they were required to spend $10 million on a project they did not want. The Lee County Metropolitan Planning Organization, the recipient of the money, has rejected it three times in the past year.Maybe what Alaska needs is a new federal penitentiary? There's an earmark I could support.

:eek:

[N4VGB]

Proving how jaded I've become, this one gets little more than a raised eyebrow from me. Making me as guilty as the thieves in D.C.

[NL7W]

Actually, Alaska did receive the over $200M of federal monies for it's bridges. Did you know that?

One of the two supposed "bridges to nowhere" is being built, despite lesser-48 opposition. Why would that happen, you might ask, given all the screaming from earmark conscious politicians? Because one of those bridges was a worthy project! Go figure...

As for the Post's and the Democratically controlled Senate's investigation recommendation against our Congressman, we'll see. I'd like to see the Senate investigate a Congressman...

Actually, I believe the DoJ is already involved. Somehow I know this is the case... Young has spent over $1M defending his Name and office on this issue in the past year.

[W3MIV]

Actually, Alaska did receive the over $200M of federal monies for it's bridges. Did you know that?

One of the two supposed "bridges to nowhere" is being built, despite lesser-48 opposition. Why would that happen, you might ask, given all the screaming from earmark conscious politicians? Because one of those bridges was a worthy project! Go figure...

As for the Post's and the Democratically controlled Senate's investigation recommendation against our Congressman, we'll see. I'd like to see the Senate investigate a Congressman...

Actually, I believe the DoJ is already involved. Somehow I know this is the case... Young has spent over $1M defending his Name and office on this issue in the past year.

I think Young will go down on this. Judging from what the Post is reporting, the case is egregious -- a Congresscritter from Alaska rams a highway interchange in Florida down the throat of a county that doesn't want it all because some developers (who gave Young a $40k fund raiser in Florida) stand to make a bundle. Not many Congresscritters show themselves to be this stupid. This makes Stevens look like Isaac Newton.

Too bad they can't hang Jack Murtha along with Young.

[kl7aj]

swapping earmark information for an interchange in Florida? Does something sound fishy in Denmark, there Polonius? A bit of derring-herring-do?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041603480.html?nav=rss_politics

Congress may, indeed, seek criminal charges... seems an Alaska thing here lately.

Check it out:

Maybe what Alaska needs is a new federal penitentiary? There's an earmark I could support.

:eek:

Now why we would need a highway between Fairbanks and Florida is beyond me.

[W3MIV]

Now why we would need a highway between Fairbanks and Florida is beyond me.

As is, I strongly suspect, a host of other things.

[NL7W]

I think Young will go down on this. Judging from what the Post is reporting, the case is egregious -- a Congresscritter from Alaska rams a highway interchange in Florida down the throat of a county that doesn't want it all because some developers (who gave Young a $40k fund raiser in Florida) stand to make a bundle. Not many Congresscritters show themselves to be this stupid. This makes Stevens look like Isaac Newton.

Too bad they can't hang Jack Murtha along with Young.

It's too bad this kind of thing happens all the time. You think this is an isolated case?

Get real... federally directed projects are downward directed to local and state orgs that don't want them month in and month out.

Goodness Gracious Me!

[W3MIV]

It's too bad this kind of thing happens all the time. You think this is an isolated case?

Get real... federally directed projects are downward directed to local and state orgs that don't want them month in and month out.

Goodness Gracious Me!

I made no statement about the case being isolated or otherwise.

[KV1M]

It's too bad this kind of thing happens all the time. You think this is an isolated case?

Get real... federally directed projects are downward directed to local and state orgs that don't want them month in and month out.

Goodness Gracious Me!

Right, this thing happens all the time. So it MUST be ok right?:confused:
Same argument could be made in favor of child pronography as well, that happens FAR more than congressional graft, profiteering and misappropriation.

Perhaps next time you decide to get outraged over some percieved Democrat's transgressions you should remember your own words It's too bad this kind of thing happens all the time.and keep it to yourself.;)

[N9XR]

Truly amazing how differently Frozen Steve see issues when it is in his back yard.

Yes, we need a bridge to nowhere in every state. Bush helps us to get to Nowhere everyday.

[NL7W]

Truly amazing how differently Frozen Steve see issues when it is in his back yard.

Yes, we need a bridge to nowhere in every state. Bush helps us to get to Nowhere everyday.

You're darn tootin'!

We got all of our federal "bridge" monies by the way. Why? Because the more expensive of the two bridges was and is worthy. Our proposed Cook Inlet knik-arm crossing bridge, connecting Anchorage and Port McKenzie and the Mat-Su Valley (where I live), would cut 100 miles (that's one way, 200 miles round trip) of having to drive around the knik-arm waterway in order to get to the the Susitna Valley (half of the Mat-Su Valley area), the Parks Hwy heading north to Fairbanks, and access to existing and programmed industrial and residential zones.

The bridge will shorten the driving time and access between Anchorage and the fastest growing Borough (county), the Mat-Su Borough, in Alaska -- an exploding population by nearly double-digit percentages for well over the last decade. There are good reasons why the this Mat-Su Borough is growing so fast... the most expedient reason is because Anchorage cannot grow much more. It's run out of available land.

Anchorage's sprawl has completely filled it's locked-up bowl area -- the water, mountain, and military bases surrounding and locking-up the set area containing Anchorage -- now filled up. Future growth of south-central Alaska, that of the surrounding Anchorage area, is dependent on this funded bridge.

We live in the biggest state in America -- and the one with the least infrastructure! That's right... the LEAST amount of infrastructure! We're growing and are still building our initial and vital infrastructure. We are NOT an old state, like most in lesser-48 which are faced with rebuilding their crumbling infrastructure. The "rebuilding" of much lesser-48 infrastructure should have been programmed into an O&M budget, with decades of saving and proper apportionment. We are building new for the right reasons. The lesser-48 is trying to solve poorly managed infrastructure. Hmm...

Alaska's road infrastructure:

"Alaska has few road connections compared to the rest of the U.S.. The state's road system covers a relatively small area of the state, linking the central population centers and the Alaska Highway, the principal route out of the state through Canada. The state capital, Juneau, is not accessible by road, which has spurred several debates over the decades about moving the capital to a city on the road system, or building a road connection from Haines. One unique feature of the road system is the Anton Anderson Memorial Tunnel which links the Seward Highway south of Anchorage with the relatively isolated community of Whittier. At nearly 2.5 miles (4.0 km) the tunnel was the longest road tunnel in North America until completion of the 3.5 mile (5.6 km) Interstate 93 tunnel as part of the "Big Dig" project in Boston, Massachusetts. The tunnel is the longest combination road and rail tunnel in North America." Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska



References:
http://www.kawerak.org/regionInfo/phyinf.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0123/p03s03-usgn.html
http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-alaska/920756-1.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/expectmore/summary/10002272.2006.html
http://stevens.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutAlaska.AlaskaHistory

[AE6IP]

In other words, Alaska, having failed to learn the lesson of sprawl from Los Angeles and San Francisco, is now recreating the same mistakes in the same way for the same reason.

Congratulations on repeating the past there, Steve.

[NL7W]

In other words, Alaska, having failed to learn the lesson of sprawl from Los Angeles and San Francisco, is now recreating the same mistakes in the same way for the same reason.

Congratulations on repeating the past there, Steve.

Physical terrain and federally placed bases over half a century ago are hard to overcome, eh?

What mistakes would those be?

Try again...

[AE6IP]

Physical terrain and federally placed bases over half a century ago are hard to overcome, eh?

Those aren't the only alternatives to sprawl.

What mistakes would those be?

Urban sprawl, Steve. Anchorage is repeating the sprawl problem.

Right down to building bridges to expedite sprawl, instead of investing in infilling opportunities.

[W3MIV]

Congratulations on repeating the past there, Steve.

You would have expected something else, maybe?

[N4VGB]

In other words, Alaska, having failed to learn the lesson of sprawl from Los Angeles and San Francisco, is now recreating the same mistakes in the same way for the same reason.

Congratulations on repeating the past there, Steve.

"Sprawl" in Alaska!? The entire population of Alaska gathered in one location wouldn't produce a case of "sprawl"!?

Hey Steve, you guys gone on a breeding binge up there since the last census? :eek:

[AE6IP]

"Sprawl" in Alaska!? The entire population of Alaska gathered in one location wouldn't produce a case of "sprawl"!?

Sprawl starts when population densities in an area are low. People ignore it until the area's density gets high enough that the sprawl becomes unmanageable. By then it's too late to fix it.

[N4VGB]

Sprawl starts when population densities in an area are low. People ignore it until the area's density gets high enough that the sprawl becomes unmanageable. By then it's too late to fix it.

Considering the landscape and climate of Alaska, I doubt "sprawl" will be a problem in the next few hundred years. The population of Alaska barely exceeds that of my state capital Nashville,TN.

[W3MIV]

Considering the landscape and climate of Alaska, I doubt "sprawl" will be a problem in the next few hundred years. The population of Alaska barely exceeds that of my state capital Nashville,TN.

Are you being silly, or merely argumentative?

Sprawl affects communities that are unplanned and thrown up like shanty towns, and though that is a perfectly typical development stage, it should be addressed early because it will not (or cannot) be addressed late. That is the point Martin is making above, and the nation is indelibly marked by sprawl patterns even in states with very low population densities. Visit Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Nevada, Idaho, Arizona or New Mexico and you will find many communities that display the appalling effects of unplanned sprawl.

What was excusable a hundred or more years ago is unforgivable in an age that knows better.

[AE6IP]

Considering the landscape and climate of Alaska, I doubt "sprawl" will be a problem in the next few hundred years. The population of Alaska barely exceeds that of my state capital Nashville,TN.

Sprawl's already a problem in Billings, MT, where my sister lives, which has a smaller population and a harder climate than Anchorage.

Building a very expensive bridge rather than infilling demonstrates that they already have a sprawl problem in Anchorage.

[N4VGB]

Are you being silly, or merely argumentative?


Both!:D Alaska belongs to Alaskans, let them do as they will. I have far too many problems with the usual Spring lawn & garden chores, coyotes, fire ants, damnable squirrels attempting to eat my pears, etc. to worry about Alaskan sprawl.

[W3MIV]

Both!:D Alaska belongs to Alaskans, let them do as they will. I have far too many problems with the usual Spring lawn & garden chores, coyotes, fire ants, damnable squirrels attempting to eat my pears, etc. to worry about Alaskan sprawl.

I see, "let 'em eat cake" is the attitude of choice. Well, at the least your lack of any concern for community or responsibility fits the typical, modern Republican mold.

[N4VGB]

I see, "let 'em eat cake" is the attitude of choice. Well, at the least your lack of any concern for community or responsibility fits the typical, modern Republican mold.

I would not react well to an Alaskan appearing in TN and pronouncing his views on how we operate our state. I firmly believe the county level to be the highest possible level where effective government can be maintained. Let's be honest with ourselves, state and federal governance has always shown itself to be a dismal affair.

[AE6IP]

I would not react well to an Alaskan appearing in TN and pronouncing his views on how we operate our state. I firmly believe the county level to be the highest possible level where effective government can be maintained. Let's be honest with ourselves, state and federal governance has always shown itself to be a dismal affair.

Even if you were operating your state, in part, with the Alaskan's money, obtained by you via the federal government?

It's not the size of the geopolitical boundary that matters with respect to effective government, it's the population density interacting in a complex way with the nature of the items to be governed.

The United States Constitution came about precisely because of circumstances in which federal governance could be less dismal than state or local governance, such as negotiating with and defending against foreign powers.

[N4VGB]

Even if you were operating your state, in part, with the Alaskan's money, obtained by you via the federal government?


All states attempt to suck the federal tit as dry as possible. It has been a fact of life since I was a child. My own congressional district was successful in receiving more federal funding than money we sent to D.C. for many years. This was via our Representative at the time being high in seniority and serving on critical committees. The local politicians loved the woman, I disdained her completely and she was my neighbor, she was the Queen of the Pork Barrel. It was with great shame and only after several minutes of watching the woman attempt to fill her gas tank at the local station that I came to her aid and started the pump for her.

[NL7W]

Sprawl starts when population densities in an area are low. People ignore it until the area's density gets high enough that the sprawl becomes unmanageable. By then it's too late to fix it.

Population densities are relatively low, even in Anchorage. We're not going to repeat the mistakes of New York and it's high rises. It's a big state with room to grow -- only a few minor physical land/water issues to overcome. People deserve their space!

I still find it amusing we Alaskans got the monies we requested, all the while the lesser-48 complains. I'll like my new bridge... thanks very much.

There's a reason why so many folks who come here -- stay. Alaska's offers a quality of life unlike that of the lesser-48. For example, most single family homes in Anchorage usually have decent sized yard. Single family homes outside of Anchorage usually sit on equal to or greater than an acre -- all are surrounded and interconnected by biking, hiking, and cross-country ski trails, large borough and state parks -- the largest being our 500,000 acre Chugach State Park -- Chugach being the third largest state park in the Nation.

Our cute, little Chugach State Park is over half the size of Rhode Island. I love it here...

Chugach State Park:

Beyond the foothills at Anchorage's edge lies the third largest state park in America -- a half-million acres of some of the most accessible hiking, skiing, camping, wildlife viewing, snowmachining, rafting, and climbing in Alaska. Those of us lucky enough to live here feel the influence of Chugach State Park almost daily. The mountainous backdrop to Anchorage reminds us that, although we live in an urban setting, we really reside in the middle of a vast wilderness. The Chugach foothills are a beacon for changing weather and resident wildlife have been known to wander into town.

And those of you who are visiting are able to discover Chugach State Park and take home memories of high alpine wildflowers, browsing moose, soaring eagles, roaring glacier-fed rivers, the howl of a wolf, unrivaled mountainous vistas, clearwater streams dancing through a mature spruce forest, and maybe even a glimpse of a grizzly bear.

As a resident or visitor, Chugach State Park is awaiting your discovery. Whether you prefer frontcountry trails, backcountry bushwhacking, one of our three campgrounds at Eklutna Lake, Eagle River, or Bird Creek, a visit to the Eagle River Nature Center, or just to gaze upon the mountain view from town, we at Alaska State Parks are dedicated to helping you safely enjoy your visit and most importantly, to ensure you have fun.

[AE6IP]

Population densities are relatively low, even in Anchorage. We're not going to repeat the mistakes of New York and it's high rises.

Of course not. You've gone to the other extreme and are already repeating the mistakes of LA and San Francisco.

[NL7W]

Of course not. You've gone to the other extreme and are already repeating the mistakes of LA and San Francisco.

San Fran has it's bridge; we'll have ours.

Whoop-de-doo.

Welcome to the better way!

[n2ize]

Population densities are relatively low, even in Anchorage. We're not going to repeat the mistakes of New York and it's high rises. It's a big state with room to grow -- only a few minor physical land/water issues to overcome. People deserve their space!

I still find it amusing we Alaskans got the monies we requested, all the while the lesser-48 complains. I'll like my new bridge... thanks very much.

There's a reason why so many folks who come here -- stay. Alaska's offers a quality of life unlike that of the lesser-48. For example, most single family homes in Anchorage usually have decent sized yard. Single family homes outside of Anchorage usually sit on equal to or greater than an acre -- all are surrounded and interconnected by biking, hiking, and cross-country ski trails, large borough and state parks -- the largest being our 500,000 acre Chugach State Park -- Chugach being the third largest state park in the Nation.

Our cute, little Chugach State Park is over half the size of Rhode Island. I love it here...


It's sounds like it's a lot like living in new York. We enjoy the best of everything here. From pretty beaches, to the most luxurious apartments and hotels in the greatest city in the world, to the pristine and rugged beauty of the Adirondack statepark.

What is remarkable about New York is that I can get out of work at 5:00 pm, luxuriate in a swirling hot tub in my pretty little apartment while enjoying the panoramic view of the harbor and our lady of liberty with soft music in the background.. Afterward I can escort my lady to a fine resturant, dine on the superb cuisine of our choice, French, Italian, Indian, etc... at some of the finest resturants in the land and afterwards take in a movie or one of many Broadway or Off-Broadway shows and afterwards relax at an absolutely darling sidewalk cafe enjoying a cuppucino and a fresh slice of succulent Italian cheese cake. You would think you were sitting in a sidewalk cafe in Rome. After I escort my stunnigly beautiful date home I can awaken refreshed the next morning and in less than 1 hour I can be wading my little tippy toes in the cool refreshing waters of the Atlantic on a beautiful white sandy beach or, if it tickles my fancy, fishing off one of many fishinng boats or piers off lovely, sunny , sandy, Long island. And, if the mood strikes my fancy, as it often does, I can hop in my car and in a matter of hours I can be hiking and camping the pristine and absolutely beautiful Adirondack wilderness. The Adirondack State park. A 6.1 million acre park and one of New York's best kept treasures.

It's so magnificent to live in such a place that offers so much. My biggest problem living here is that there are so many wonderful things to do that it's not always easy to decide. Ah... the difficult decisions...:D

Indeed, life is good, especially for a clever, intelligent, and industrious person like myself who makes the best out of every minute of it and enjoys every magnicent moment.

[N4VGB]

It's sounds like it's a lot like living in new York.


FB OM, glad you enjoy it there. I've visited on many occasions and it's just not for me.

The big difference between us is that I fully accept that your life is great for you and I have no wish to change your life. You seem to have a real problem accepting that your chosen lifestyle does not appeal to many others.

And it only takes $50+ billion yearly of federal funds to support your lifestyle. NYC the number one federal tit sucker in the U.S. :D

[n2ize]

FB OM, glad you enjoy it there. I've visited on many occasions and it's just not for me.

The big difference between us is that I fully accept that your life is great for you and I have no wish to change your life. You seem to have a real problem accepting that your chosen lifestyle does not appeal to many others.

And it only takes $50+ billion yearly of federal funds to support your lifestyle. NYC the number one federal tit sucker in the U.S. :D

Ah, $50 billion well invested my good lad. 50 billion well invested indeed. Life is indeed quite good. And the wornderful lifestyle I enjoy daily is a product of my own self. Hard work and devotion pays off. It does indeed good lad. It does indeed.

[NL7W]

FB OM, glad you enjoy it there. I've visited on many occasions and it's just not for me.

The big difference between us is that I fully accept that your life is great for you and I have no wish to change your life. You seem to have a real problem accepting that your chosen lifestyle does not appeal to many others.

And it only takes $50+ billion yearly of federal funds to support your lifestyle. NYC the number one federal tit sucker in the U.S. :D

My thoughts exactly... these lesser-48 busybodies, and the same who have migrated to Alaska from the Cali, have this Utopian, we-can't-leave-you-alone, we-know-what's-better-for-you-stupid, mentality.

It's the same old elitist mentality espoused by the likes of Obama -- lookin' down on rural America -- elitists who hate liberty, guns, and religion, and love dictating to us obviously "stupid folk" in rural areas.

This pure BS and elitist Havard and Yale attitude will never get him get him elected.

[KV1M]

Right, so instead you back an elitist who pretends he's just an ordinary Joe.
One with a long track record of abject failure in every position he's held.

Smart move Dexter, better to be ruled by an incompetent moron than a competent elite.

As for the lower 48 getting busy body on you, that was OUR money you spent clownshoe. Of course we have something to say about that.

[NL7W]

Right, so instead you back an elitist who pretends he's just an ordinary Joe.
One with a long track record of abject failure in every position he's held.

Smart move Dexter, better to be ruled by an incompetent moron than a competent elite.

As for the lower 48 getting busy body on you, that was OUR money you spent clownshoe. Of course we have something to say about that.

Stick to your granola. You need a good cleaning out.

[KV1M]

Stick to your granola. You need a good cleaning out.

I'm not a hippie Steve, no matter how much you wish you could dismiss me so easily.

Did I hit a nerve Stevie? Truth hurts when you're caught prevaricating, don't it?

[NL7W]

I'm not a hippie Steve, no matter how much you wish you could dismiss me so easily.

Did I hit a nerve Stevie? Truth hurts when you're caught prevaricating, don't it?

Just friendly advice for the likes of you and the other "oh-so-kind" coastie Liberals who haunt hereabouts...

Clean, crisp & cool air and pristine Alaskan fish / game are so prevalent here -- healthy, active lifestyles enjoying such an austere, expansive, and wonderful environment. We wish it could be shared... not.

Eat your granola... cleanse your body and spirit, and develop a better (happier) attitude.

Toodles.

[N4VGB]

As for the lower 48 getting busy body on you, that was OUR money you spent clownshoe. Of course we have something to say about that.



So how do you feel about the $50+ billion yearly that NYC receives from the same source!? :)

[NL7W]

So how do you feel about the $50+ billion yearly that NYC receives from the same source!? :)

Yes Sir! Let's see these NE states rebuild the dilapidated infrastructure with O&M funding set aside on a yearly basis to rebuild and expand said structures. Oh... they didn't program for and save, as responsible government entities, for such things -- liberal idealisms got in the way.

All Alaska wants is to build NEW infrastructure -- not repair or replace irresponsible behaviors of liberal-minded sections of the country.

We've seen all to well how the lesser-48 governments manage their monies. :D

[W3MIV]

All Alaska wants is to build NEW infrastructure -- not repair or replace irresponsible behaviors of liberal-minded sections of the country.

We've seen all to well how the lesser-48 governments manage their monies.

We don't always do the best with our money, but we do generally insist that all of our bridges go someplace definite, and that there will be sufficient traffic over the bridge to justify the cost in public dollars -- which, when they are federal, are paid by ALL taxpayers, not just the few slackers hiding in the tundra.

[NL7W]

We don't always do the best with our money, but we do generally insist that all of our bridges go someplace definite, and that there will be sufficient traffic over the bridge to justify the cost in public dollars -- which, when they are federal, are paid by ALL taxpayers, not just the few slackers hiding in the tundra.

First, southcental Alaska doesn't have tundra... Second, southcentral Alaskans are not slackers -- most work hard for the dollars incoming. And, yes, the bridge is needed to expand southcentral's economic base, where over half the state's population live.

Thirdly, the monies are already sitting in a State of Alaska account; they've been received.

Try again, Al.

[KV1M]

So how do you feel about the $50+ billion yearly that NYC receives from the same source!? :)

You don't even know whats happening in your own yard do you?

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/files/pdf/2006PorkReport.pdf

[N4VGB]

We don't always do the best with our money


Indeed Maryland is too small and has too small a population to root at the trough with the larger piglets but they have found their own little trough. R&D money! Maryland has been number one in federal money for R&D many years now. And look at the huge returns from all this R&D money that we've all received. Well I've tried to look at the returns but can't seem to find any!?:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder that Congress acts the way they do!? They simply reflect the attitude of their constituency. Oink-oink. :)

[N4VGB]

You don't even know whats happening in your own yard do you?

http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/files/pdf/2006PorkReport.pdf

Oh yes indeed I do know. I have never suffered from the "somebody will get that money, might as well be us" syndrome. That is the basic problem with Congress, they are a reflection of the piglets they represent. FREE MONEY, it doesn't exist. :cool:

[al2n]

By the time the planners, lawyers, lobbyists, and other assorted interest groups get done talking and debating, the bridge will be built.

I figure I will have been dead and gone for about 50 years by the time it is done. They have been looking at building a bridge for some 30 years at least. They will still be debating it for another 30.

Yeah, the money is there, but it is going to pay for all the legal bickering about where when and how the bridge will be built.

You can stand at the waters edge in Anchorage and see the other side of Knik arm less than a mile away, but you have to drive over 90 minutes to get there. Problem is that most of the folks who live in the valley live in Wasilla/Palmer. Those towns are at the end of Knik Arm, the bridge will be built up at the mouth of the arm where Anchorage is located.

Will it really be shorter to drive to the bridge rather than take the highway that is already in place? You may save 5-10 miles tops. But then you will have to pay the toll to cross the bridge.

I have always wondered why they do not invest the money into building a high speed train system between Anchorage and the valley. A rail system is in place. Would not take a whole lot to add another track for a high speed rail system. Could get from Wasilla to Anchorage in 20 minutes by high speed rail.

But then again, there are some very wealthy friends of our congressmen who own lots of land where that bridge will be built. That would explain why there is a push to get the bridge built.

Young has been in office for so long that he thinks he is royalty. I have met with him a couple times and he always is an arrogant kind of man. This election, he very well may loose his seat as a good many of his past supporters have grown tired of his attitude the last few years.

[W3MIV]

Indeed Maryland is too small and has too small a population to root at the trough with the larger piglets but they have found their own little trough. R&D money! Maryland has been number one in federal money for R&D many years now. And look at the huge returns from all this R&D money that we've all received. Well I've tried to look at the returns but can't seem to find any!?:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder that Congress acts the way they do!? They simply reflect the attitude of their constituency. Oink-oink. :)

JHU and APL alone account for a big bunch. You have received more from that investment than you know, though lots of federal dollars are spent on studies of some pretty ludicrous topics.

[KV1M]

Oh yes indeed I do know. I have never suffered from the "somebody will get that money, might as well be us" syndrome. That is the basic problem with Congress, they are a reflection of the piglets they represent. FREE MONEY, it doesn't exist. :cool:

Right.
Point that finger back the other way for a while there Jethro, your area is WORSE than NYC according to this study.

[N4VGB]

JHU and APL alone account for a big bunch. You have received more from that investment than you know, though lots of federal dollars are spent on studies of some pretty ludicrous topics.

I couldn't resist that one. :o

All are guilty, none are innocent, in this lust for federal dollars or FREE MONEY. It is an illusion that has been perpetrated by all politicians on their constituency. It is a fact that if your state doesn't fight for every dollar possible, another state will receive the funding. The basic nature of how budgeting and funding is handled in Congress needs to be radically changed. I see absolutely no need for billions in categorized lumps to be thrown out for a feeding frenzy yearly.

[n2ize]

My thoughts exactly... these lesser-48 busybodies, and the same who have migrated to Alaska from the Cali, have this Utopian, we-can't-leave-you-alone, we-know-what's-better-for-you-stupid, mentality.

It's the same old elitist mentality espoused by the likes of Obama -- lookin' down on rural America -- elitists who hate liberty, guns, and religion, and love dictating to us obviously "stupid folk" in rural areas.

Ah my fair lad. If you read his statement in context you'd understand that he did not insult rural America. There is a sweet and dear saying, "If you only have a hammer everything you see becomes a nail". Alas my dear lad, ponder that mellow adage, ponder it well for there is much that remains unlearned.

[N4VGB]

Right.
Point that finger back the other way for a while there Jethro, your area is WORSE than NYC according to this study.

So you're unaware that all states are guilty of the same?

My states total spending per citizen of all funds is lower than NYC's spending of federal dollars only per citizen.

TN-$4,460 per citizen inclusive of all funds
NYC-$6,250 per citizen in federal funds only

Thanks for making my state piglets look better than those of NYC. :D

[N4VGB]

Ah my fair lad. If you read his statement in context you'd understand that he did not insult rural America. There is a sweet and dear saying, "If you only have a hammer everything you see becomes a nail". Alas my dear lad, ponder that mellow adage, ponder it well for there is much that remains unlearned.

And YOU are the only one that views only nails, put your hammer away. :p

[KV1M]

So you're unaware that all states are guilty of the same?

My states total spending per citizen of all funds is lower than NYC's spending of federal dollars only per citizen.

TN-$4,460 per citizen inclusive of all funds
NYC-$6,250 per citizen in federal funds only

Thanks for making my state piglets look better than those of NYC. :D

You don't have 2027 bridges, a 842 mile subway or 1,611,581 residents living in a land area of 22.96 square miles with an average building hight of 15 stories to maintain. So what exactly is YOUR state maintaining with the 4 grand per head it's stealing from me?

[N4VGB]

You don't have 2027 bridges, a 842 mile subway or 1,611,581 residents living in a land area of 22.96 square miles with an average building hight of 15 stories to maintain. So what exactly is YOUR state maintaining with the 4 grand per head it's stealing from me?

I would have thought that a higher concentrated population made support of that population cheaper on a per citizen basis.

2027 bridges in NYC!? Don't think so skippy!
1,611,581 residents in NYC!? Try 8 million plus!

Change crack dealers before it's too late! :p:p:p

[k9kxq]

There is no "Fine Alaska Republicans" there is no fine Republicans what so ever...

"So what exactly is YOUR state maintaining with the 4 grand per head it's stealing from me?"

Maybe it's for the Valdez clean up, do ya think?

kxq

[N4VGB]

There is no "Fine Alaska Republicans" there is no fine Republicans what so ever...

"So what exactly is YOUR state maintaining with the 4 grand per head it's stealing from me?"

Maybe it's for the Valdez clean up, do ya think?

kxq

Looks like Kentucky is pretty good at sucking up more than they contribute.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

http://psweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu/faculty/hweisberg/conference/Lacy-OSUConf.PDF

http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm

[N4VGB]

So what exactly is YOUR state maintaining with the 4 grand per head it's stealing from me?


So your claiming to be paying U.S. income tax from England!? I seriously doubt that one. :p:p:p

[KV1M]

I would have thought that a higher concentrated population made support of that population cheaper on a per citizen basis.

2027 bridges in NYC!? Don't think so skippy!
1,611,581 residents in NYC!? Try 8 million plus!

Change crack dealers before it's too late! :p:p:p

If you want to include the other borough's that's even better, that would be 16,501,134 people over an area of roughly 150 square miles.
The bridge count is correct, got it from the New York Department of Transportation (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/faqs/faqs_bridge.shtml) agencies site. The count I gave was for the 5 borough's.
Let's toss in 3 ferry systems and 2 international air terminals while we are at it.

As for population density making it cheaper you thought wrong Jethro. Must be a side effect of being out in the woods like you are.
It takes more infrastructure to take care of that many people in that small a space. That means it costs more.

So what are you wasting my tax money on in Hicksville there Jethro?
At least I get a world class financial engine out of my NYC investment, what exactly are you bringing to the table besides a dead pop star?
Same goes for Alaska, what exactly are they bringing to the table? Sulfur laden oil that gets sold to Japan dirt cheap then refined and sold back to us at a premium? That's no bargain.

You are the one smoking crack Dilmus, haven't got one thing right in a few days now at least. Even your smarmy come backs get it wrong.
Did you drink a few too many on the glorious swampland vaca you just took? :)

[KV1M]

So your claiming to be paying U.S. income tax from England!? I seriously doubt that one. :p:p:p

You really are clueless aren't you?

The US is the ONLY industrialized nation that tax's it's citizens overseas.
If you didn't know that then you are lying about having worked overseas.

And they will tax me for the rest of my life. I get double taxed there Dilbert.
Every pound I make over 44k (and I make far more than that) gets taxed at not only the 40% UK rate but an ADDITIONAL 28% US.

And I still end up taking home more than I ever would have in the US, "land of opportunity".

Keep on posting there Dogbert, you make me laugh! :D:p

[N4VGB]

If you want to include the other borough's that's even better, that would be 16,501,134 people over an area of roughly 150 square miles.
The bridge count is correct, got it from the New York State Transportation agencies site. The count I gave was for the 5 borough's.
Let's toss in 3 ferry systems and 2 international air terminals while we are at it.

As for population density making it cheaper you thought wrong Jethro. Must be a side effect of being out in the woods like you are.
It takes more infrastructure to take care of that many people in that small a space. That means it costs more.

So what are you wasting my tax money in in Hicksville there Jethro?
At least I get a world class financial engine out of my NYC investment, what exactly are you bringing to the table besides a dead pop star?
Same goes for Alaska, what exactly are they bringing to the table? Sulfur laden oil that gets sold to Japan dirt cheap then refined and sold back to us at a premium? Thats no bargain.

You are the one smoking crack Dilmus, haven't got one thing right in a few days now at least. Even your smarmy come backs get it wrong.
Did you drink a few too many on the glorious swampland vaca you just took? :)

My facts and figures were stated to be on NYC alone, you seem to have a problem keeping your thoughts on that straight NYC statement and your figures made no sense at all and were incorrect.

Your in England and pay no U.S. income tax, you're not even qualified to converse here on the subject. I suspect you'll be out of the U.S. at least the required number of years to qualify for bringing home your total income for the period completely tax free.

I did in fact lock Dan Wesson in a portable gun safe and give the key to our designated driver of the evening on several occasions while vacationing in FL. I discovered that the local bar tenders there are very good at preparing a correctly concocted Long Island Tea, my favorite mixed drink. I was actually only guilty of over consumption of alcohol after viewing the PA Democratic debate, a pathetic display if I've ever seen one and I've seen many.

I think you have your British bowler fitted a bit too snugly and your cane is a bit too heavy, switch hands with the cane and you won't list so heavily to the left. :p

[KV1M]

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about.
US citizens pay US income tax when they work abroad. (http://www.expatnetwork.com/?ID=65)
And that's FOREVER Jethro, no time out limits or expirations dates. Forever.
The only country that claims to OWN it's citizens.
Land of the free my behind, to put it politely.

I used a site you could understand, I know actual tax code would be above your reading level.
I see you have never actually worked abroad as you had claimed on another thread. Shouldn't lie like that, you'll get caught up every time.

You seem proud of getting it wrong, and your lame tactic of repeating BS isn't getting you anywhere either.
It would seem you are the one not qualified to discuss anything here Jethro.

[KV1M]

My facts and figures were stated to be on NYC alone, you seem to have a problem keeping your thoughts on that straight NYC statement and your figures made no sense at all and were incorrect.



Nope, I looked it up and the numbers you cite are for the entire metro area, that's the five boroughs bubba.
You have yet to provide any facts with them figures there Bubba.
You need to try harder, you are outclassed and everyone but you knows it.

[n2ize]

I would have thought that a higher concentrated population made support of that population cheaper on a per citizen basis.

2027 bridges in NYC!? Don't think so skippy!


As usual you are wrong again. There ARE 2027 bridges here in one of the grandest cities in the world. As amatter of fact here is the number right from the Department of Transportation

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/faqs/faqs_bridge.shtml




1,611,581 residents in NYC!? Try 8 million plus!


I think he's referring to the population of Manhattan alone which is home for well over 1 million residents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan

[KV1M]

So, I ask again what you are wasting my money on in Hicksville there Jethro?

[N4VGB]

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about.
US citizens pay US income tax when they work abroad. (http://www.expatnetwork.com/?ID=65)
And that's FOREVER Jethro, no time out limits or expirations dates. Forever.
The only country that claims to OWN it's citizens.
Land of the free my behind, to put it politely.

I used a site you could understand, I know actual tax code would be above your reading level.

You seem proud of getting it wrong, and your lame tactic of repeating BS isn't getting you anywhere either.
It would seem you are the one not qualified to discuss anything here Jethro.

I do realize that the once sweet deal afforded to U.S. citizens working abroad had been amended but there still exists a tax treaty with only 35 other nations. Working in a non tax treaty nation is still a possibility. Then there are those credits for the foreign tax paid and the residence maintenance costs involved. I suggest you consult a good accountant in this matter.

Of course you could also take a stab at citizenship in a Euro country and reenter the U.S. as a resident alien at some future date and only pay the taxes in your newly adopted homeland.

You are quite a confusing character. In many posts expressing great joy with your current situation and in others expressing the opposite. I don't know why you cling to U.S. citizenship and then make posts about how much better the Euro systems of government appear to you. Very confusing.

Pip pip cheerio old boy! :p

[N4VGB]

So, I ask again what you are wasting my money on in Hicksville there Jethro?

You silly boy, the only two basis for higher taxation that are ever stated, asphalt and education! :)

[KV1M]

I do realize that the once sweet deal afforded to U.S. citizens working abroad had been amended but there still exists a tax treaty with only 35 other nations. Working in a non tax treaty nation is still a possibility. Then there are those credits for the foreign tax paid and the residence maintenance costs involved. I suggest you consult a good accountant in this matter.

Of course you could also take a stab at citizenship in a Euro country and reenter the U.S. as a resident alien at some future date and only pay the taxes in your newly adopted homeland.

You are quite a confusing character. In many posts expressing great joy with your current situation and in others expressing the opposite. I don't know why you cling to U.S. citizenship and then make posts about how much better the Euro systems of government appear to you. Very confusing.

Pip pip cheerio old boy! :p

No tax free status exists ANYWHERE Dilmus, you need to stop spouting the drivel here. It is everywhere and for every US citizen and forever. Go read the tax code. I can and WILL get a good tax specialist to minimize my payments, but I will always pay. Just like every US citizen does.

And as long as I still pay like I'm living there, I have a say in what happens there even though I don't live there.
And you can bet your butt that I WILL have my say that I PAY for.
And I don't care that you don't like it.

Give up my citizenship just to avoid taxes? That's illegal Dilmus, you should know that.
And why should I when it burns the butts of people like you that I still have a say even though I'm not there. It's kind of like a TV tax only better because it's interactive.:cool:

[N4VGB]

As usual you are wrong again. There ARE 2027 bridges here in one of the grandest cities in the world. As amatter of fact here is the number right from the Department of Transportation

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/faqs/faqs_bridge.shtml





I think he's referring to the population of Manhattan alone which is home for well over 1 million residents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan

An obvious case of foolishness. Has anyone checked to see if any water still exists under those bridges? I hardly see how any view of the water could exist?

That's one bridge per 4,000 residents! We only have one bridge per 40,000 residents! Obviously we need more federal funding immediately! And for years I thought it silly to have so many bridges within rock throwing distance of each other here.

[KV1M]

Perhaps I am too hasty?
Jethro, give me a link that has the names and tax code information of those 35 countries you wrote about, I am unable to find it and you do know that my search skills are definitely up to the task given the information I continually use to slap down misinformed posters here on a daily basis.


You do have links to the information, don't you?

[N4VGB]

Give up my citizenship just to avoid taxes? That's illegal Dilmus, you should know that.
And why should I when it burns the butts of people like you that I still have a say even though I'm not there. It's kind of like a TV tax only better because it's interactive.:cool:


Yes indeed, speak often, we appreciate your contribution and will spend it as we desire. A gift once given can no longer be controlled by the giver.

I still love ya! :D:p:cool:

[KV1M]

An obvious case of foolishness. Has anyone checked to see if any water still exists under those bridges? I hardly see how any view of the water could exist?

That's one bridge per 4,000 residents! We only have one bridge per 40,000 residents! Obviously we need more federal funding immediately! And for years I thought it silly to have so many bridges within rock throwing distance of each other here.

And why would that not include standard overpasses and underpasses?
Or do they not count as bridges that require maintenance?

I'd wager only a small percentage of bridges nationwide are over water.

[KV1M]

Yes indeed, speak often, we appreciate your contribution and will spend it as we desire. A gift once given can no longer be controlled by the giver.

I still love ya! :D:p:cool:

Excellent, please be free spreading the fact and illumination that I provide into the dark factless realm that is the conservative/NeoCons existence. Perhaps my posts could be used as a beacon to lead the people from the wilderness?
:D

Oh, you meant my taxes, silly me.
They are not yours to spend.

[n2ize]

An obvious case of foolishness. Has anyone checked to see if any water still exists under those bridges? I hardly see how any view of the water could exist?

That's one bridge per 4,000 residents! We only have one bridge per 40,000 residents! Obviously we need more federal funding immediately! And for years I thought it silly to have so many bridges within rock throwing distance of each other here.


Actually it makes a lot of sense when you consider the massive amount of traffic that those bridges handle on a daily basis. It's not just the residents who make use of those bridges it's also the vast number of commuters who don't live in the city but who work, vacation, and travel here on a continual basis. Coming from outside of NYC I can understand how it must be hard to envision the need for so many bridges in addition to surface transportation, cars, buses, taxis and the vast subway system let along PATH trains, commuter railroads, and major airports. In addition to it's over 8 million residents moving about and in and out of the city daily there is the incredibly enormous number of daily commuters and tourists that we have to handle and move around.as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Face it, in addition to being a huge city with a huge population New York is the kind of city that attracts so many people who live beyond its borders and who travel to the for so many reasons. Whether it be the commuters who find good paying jobs here to students attending any one of many fine colleges and universities, to tourists and travelers who come to enjoy the many fine resources we have here. Fine hotels, create resturants of virtually every type imaginable, museums, the theater, the cultural diversity, you name it. Much like Paris, London, etc. New York has the types of things that people want and will travel the world over to visit. When you have so many people that need/want to be in such a place the bridge and highway infrastructure must be vast and ready to accommodate them. 1 or 2 bridges may be adequate in some parts of the country and indeed that is fine. Around here 1 or 2 bridges just don't cut it.

[N4VGB]

It's not just the residents who make use of those bridges it's also the vast number of commuters who don't live in the city but who work, vacation, and travel here on a continual basis. Coming from outside of NYC I can understand how it must be hard to envision the need for so many bridges in addition to surface transportation, cars, buses, taxis and the vast subway system let along PATH trains, commuter railroads, and major airports. In addition to it's over 8 million residents moving about and in and out of the city daily there is the incredibly enormous number of daily commuters and tourists that we have to handle and move around.as quickly and efficiently as possible.


That mass commuting would indicate that many seek a better life outside the city? Strange since NYC is espoused by you as the ultimate place to live? Why would so many pay the dear premium price to live in NYC 'burbs? It really sounds like the heavy demand placed on all U.S. taxpayers by NYC is the result of poor civil engineering.

I suppose it is easy to become as arrogant as you after so many years of living a federally subsidized lifestyle.

Even such things as the felling of the WTC towers is turned into a perpetual cash cow by New Yorkers. Truly disgusting conduct.

[N4VGB]

Perhaps I am too hasty?
Jethro, give me a link that has the names and tax code information of those 35 countries you wrote about, I am unable to find it and you do know that my search skills are definitely up to the task given the information I continually use to slap down misinformed posters here on a daily basis.


You do have links to the information, don't you?

Your search skills must suck since it's on the IRS website. :rolleyes:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/international/article/0,,id=96739,00.html

I was several times offered overseas employment by the corporation that I retired from 6 years ago. This would have been in the '70s & '80s and the tax ramifications were clearly laid out to all in print at the time. There were many ME states, SA states and Australia involved at different times. One of the advantages was that after staying outside the U.S. for something like 6-7 years continuosly, all income was tax free.

I was never tempted by any of these offers but did listen to the presentations.

[KV1M]

That mass commuting would indicate that many seek a better life outside the city? Strange since NYC is espoused by you as the ultimate place to live? Why would so many pay the dear premium price to live in NYC 'burbs? It really sounds like the heavy demand placed on all U.S. taxpayers by NYC is the result of poor civil engineering.

I suppose it is easy to become as arrogant as you after so many years of living a federally subsidized lifestyle.

Even such things as the felling of the WTC towers is turned into a perpetual cash cow by New Yorkers. Truly disgusting conduct.

You have no idea, once again, of what you speak.
They live outside the city because they can't afford to live in the city for the most part. It is because NYC is such a gold mine that so many people are trying to live in a city that already has more people living on a single city block than the capital of your state.
So they move out of the city and commute.

And that $6k you like to talk about, that's just calculated using the residents. Over 15 million people commute into the city every day as well, so on a daily basis they only get around $1k (given your mistaken 8 million figure as the one used to calculate the per capita funding) per person in funding to deal with the infrastructure, way less than your home state.
And they seem to use it better as well.

It must be hard for you to understand, having become so ignorant and disconnected after so many years of living in the boonies like you do.

So again, just what is it you hillbillies waste $4.5k of my money on anyway?
If it is concrete and education you are fools. The New Yorkers get far more than that for the $6k (using your hobbled math) they get.

[KV1M]

Your search skills must suck since it's on the IRS website. :rolleyes:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/international/article/0,,id=96739,00.html

I was several times offered overseas employment by the corporation that I retired from 6 years ago. This would have been in the '70s & '80s and the tax ramifications were clearly laid out to all in print at the time. There were many ME states, SA states and Australia involved at different times. One of the advantages was that after staying outside the U.S. for something like 6-7 years continuosly, all income was tax free.

I was never tempted by any of these offers but did listen to the presentations.

My search skill are just fine, you provided links to the treaties page. Nowhere does that page back you up. And there are no tax sites that make your claims either.

What countries again, I just took a look and I would have to pay taxes in all the countries you loosely mentioned. And nowhere does it say the taxation ends after 7 years.

Provide the countries and the treaty please.

Oh never mind. It is as I have said. There are no treaties that exempt you from taxation.
Have another link (http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/Cutyourtaxes/P119350.asp) to think about. It is as close to not paying as you can get overseas.

The current rate is $87000 US. After that I owe. And with the tanking dollar I owe more and more every day.

Just linking to the treaties page won't work to scare me off, I know how to read those things.
You apparently didn't bother.

[N4VGB]

It must be hard for you to understand, having become so ignorant and disconnected after so many years of living in the boonies like you do.


Your whole post is illogical and seems to support my post that massive incompetence in civil engineering and a lack of NYC ordinances to control their population is the reason for their higher than normal consumption of federal dollars.

Those who wish to live there should pay the extra dollars needed to support their lifestyle.

[N4VGB]

My search skill are just fine, you provided links to the treaties page. Nowhere does that page back you up. And there are no tax sites that make your claims either.

What countries again, I just took a look and I would have to pay taxes in all the countries you loosely mentioned. And nowhere does it say the taxation ends after 7 years.

Provide the countries and the treaty please.

You are having a hard time understanding that the tax code has changed many times in the last 20-30 years and I'm a Jethro! :rolleyes:

The 35 countries on the IRS website are the only ones that will collect U.S. taxes from your paycheck for the IRS and report your income to the IRS. I don't know how much clearer it could be Jethro? ;)

Too many years of UNIX language has screwed you out of your comprehension of English perhaps? :p

[KV1M]

You are having a hard time understanding that the tax code has changed many times in the last 20-30 years and I'm a Jethro! :rolleyes:

The 35 countries on the IRS website are the only ones that will collect U.S. taxes from your paycheck for the IRS and report your income to the IRS. I don't know how much clearer it could be Jethro? ;)

Too many years of UNIX language has screwed you out of your comprehension of English perhaps? :p

We aren't talking about 30 year old tax code Jethro, we are talking about current tax code. You've been in the hills too long drinking shine, can't think straight any more.

You are having some serious comprehension issues, those treaties only mean that there are agreements to avoid a double tax on part of your income.
You are not absolved from paying just because there are no treaties.
And it's obvious you didn't read them. No foreign country pulls the taxes and pays the US, you have to do that yourself when you file your 1040 at the end of the year.

Try it sometime, please, I'd like to see you taken to the cleaners.

[KV1M]

Your whole post is illogical and seems to support my post that massive incompetence in civil engineering and a lack of NYC ordinances to control their population is the reason for their higher than normal consumption of federal dollars.

Those who wish to live there should pay the extra dollars needed to support their lifestyle.

Logic is my stock a trade Bubba, I get paid for it. Professional.
You are just pissed that you are being made a fool of. :D

[N4VGB]

Logic is my stock a trade Bubba, I get paid for it. Professional.
You are just pissed that you are being made a fool of. :D

Strange, I never feel foolish when debating you? :rolleyes:

Computer logic and bits & bytes do not a political genius create. ;)

Your constant use of nothing more than slander against opponents and your constant self glorifications do indeed make you appear quite foolish to any with functioning minds. But since you stated your former occupation as a union house painter that was replaced by illegal Mexican immigrants and a long period of unemployment ensued, I can understand how you have a rather unrealistic and pompous view of yourself today. :p

[n2ize]

That mass commuting would indicate that many seek a better life outside the city? Strange since NYC is espoused by you as the ultimate place to live?


Like most world cities that serve as cultural, educational, financial and business centers real estates are quite valuable and both private and commercial interests buy up those real estates because it is such a desirable place to be. As a result it is quite expensive to live in Manhattan although some parts of Manhattan are still affordable as is true and to a much greater extent with the outer boroughs. As a result you find many middle class as well as lower income families throughout the five boroughs.

The commuting doesn't indicate that the city is undesireable. What it does indicate is that the city is such a rich and wealthy region in terms of jobs, education and so many other things that people value that there has been a tremendous outgrowth of suburbs surrounding it. Many of these suburbs in Long Island, Westchester, Connecticut, Jersey, etc are quite exquisite and desirable places to live. They boast charming and beautiful private homes, lovely yards, extremely low crime rates, all the desires and comforts of city life with the added bonus of being a mere short hop from Manhattan...the center of it all. Back when i was living at my parents home in Westchester I could hop a train almost any time day or night and within 30 - 35 minutes be in the center of Manhattan.


Why would so many pay the dear premium price to live in NYC 'burbs?


For reasons stated above. For the same reasons that smaller towns and hamlets spring up around many great cities of the world. And one city or town can only accommodate so many at and given time. yet the city in and of itself has so much to offer. Quite naturally people populate surrounding areas over time


It really sounds like the heavy demand placed on all U.S. taxpayers by NYC is the result of poor civil engineering.


All states , cities and towns receive federal money that comes in as taxes. Quite naturally the larger cities are more likely to claim a larger peice of the pie and are likely to get it. Namely because there is a lot to be gained by making sure that the cities keep functioning. They are huge revenue generators which serve the nation in so many important ways. The nation has a vestedand a vital interest in assuring places like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco etc. keep functioning to their fullest capacity.


I suppose it is easy to become as arrogant as you after so many years of living a federally subsidized lifestyle.


How is being proud of where Ilve and enjoying the many magnificent and wonderful things my town has to offer being arrogant ? Sounds like you are the one who has issues ? Life is good here. Never boring, never dull, and so many things to do. Why in a couple hours I'll be heading out and I'll be dining with a very lovely young lady at an exquisite yet inexpensive Indian resturant in quaint, cultural and lovely downtown Brooklyn. Tomorrow I'll be visiting a good friend at Columbia University where we'll be discussing an interesting project that he and I are collaborating on. Then it's up to visit the folks in the northern suburbs. Weather permitting next weekend I'm looking forward to heading out to the shore and hiking a few miles of beautiful beach front. Of course I mustn't forget to head out to Brooklyn next week to visit my old parochial school and parish where I attended school and grew upand where I like to volunteer some of my spare time and services. Life is great here, no shortage of things to do.

As far as anything else goes we pay our share of federal, state, and city taxes here, as well as property taxes, fees,expenses, etc. Nobody ever gave me a free ride for living here. I worked hard for everything I have acheived in my life and so have so many others wholive here., So, don't give me this rap about a subsidized lifestyle. I pay for what I get every step of the way.


Even such things as the felling of the WTC towers is turned into a perpetual cash cow by New Yorkers. Truly disgusting conduct.

The loss of the WTC towers didn't put any extra money in anyones pocket here.And we incurred major losses. That is why when the tragedy struck so many fine people from all over the country came here and pitched in to help get things running again. I remember meeting a contractor who came up here from Texas to help out. He was impressed as to how well we New Yorkers withstood such a devestating blow and how cooperative we were in picking ourself back up and helping so many along the way. As I said, this is truly a fine place to live.

[KV1M]

Strange, I never feel foolish when debating you? :rolleyes:

Computer logic and bits & bytes do not a political genius create. ;)

Your constant use of nothing more than slander against opponents and your constant self glorifications do indeed make you appear quite foolish to any with functioning minds. But since you stated your former occupation as a union house painter that was replaced by illegal Mexican immigrants and a long period of unemployment ensued, I can understand how you have a rather unrealistic and pompous view of yourself today. :p

That was weak Jethro. Try harder.

And I do believe the tradesmen of the US might take exception at your inference that they are somehow less intelligent than a continuously wrong (and amazingly proud of it) hillbillie such as yourself.

I was not aware that truth and fact is slander.
Nor opinion for that matter.

Slander is a serious charge.
If you think you are slandered try to do something about it.
I'll use these posts to shred you in court. Then I'll counter sue.

If it is just a rhetorical device you would be better served using something that doesn't threaten legal action.

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Strange, I never feel foolish when debating you? :rolleyes:

Computer logic and bits & bytes do not a political genius create. ;)


Actually the same rules of logic that computer scientists use is the same type of logic that can be applied to everyday use of the English language. . As a matter of fact when teaching logic it is common to begin with verbal propositions and predicates written in English and apply the various rules of logic (i.e. contraposition, negation, syllogism, etc.)

[k9kxq]

Looks like Kentucky is pretty good at sucking up more than they contribute.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/266.html

http://psweb.sbs.ohio-state.edu/faculty/hweisberg/conference/Lacy-OSUConf.PDF

http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm

Dilmus, you need to take that up with Mitch McConnell, I'm just an innocent tax paying bystander...

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[N4VGB]

Dilmus, you need to take that up with Mitch McConnell, I'm just an innocent tax paying bystander...

kxq

Even though my elected officials seldom appreciate my input at any level of government, I refuse to be a spectator only.

It makes me feel much better after I unload on them! :)

[k9kxq]

Even though my elected public servants seldom appreciate my input at any level of government, I refuse to be a spectator only.

It makes me feel much better after I unload on them! :)

There, I fixed your quote in bold italic,I'm not one to sit on the bench either, and there is plenty to unload on our elected public servants these days...

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