McCain not legally eligible to be President.

[w6ire]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Most people say that he is eligible because the "spirit" of this law was not meant to exclude the offspring of military personnel serving overseas. But the law is quite clear, and technically speaking, he's ineligible.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law. So, I believe no slack should be cut for McCain.

He is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or buts.

[N4VGB]

Since the Panama Canal Zone was U.S. soil at the time of his birth, moot point.

[w6ire]

Since the Panama Canal Zone was U.S. soil at the time of his birth, moot point.

Incorrect. Nice try though. The law requires you to be a "Natural Born Citizen".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

There is no clear legal definition and differing opinions abound. But the very fact that McCain must slip in through the back door hope for a favorable interpretation of his status is so deliciously Republican.

And yet, everyone else in America his held to the exact letter of the law, no matter how ridiculous.

Also, let's not forget, he was one of the "Keating Five (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)". He's a scoundrel and unfortunately, most people have a short memory.

[N2RJ]

Whether he's eligible or not, it's time to end that silly prohibition anyway.

We have natural borns who are selling out this country left and right (think of the CEOs of the megacorporations selling us out to Red China, they were all born here!), and naturalizeds who are more loyal to this country than their former home countries.

Being born here proves nothing other than you have a US birth certificate.

[KB1PRQ]

zomg!!11 why didnt someone think of this before? :rolleyes:

[N2RJ]

And since the constitution only says, "he, his and him" when referring to the President, women are not eligible either. :rolleyes:

[N4VGB]

Incorrect.

Wonder why the Peanut Man made such a big deal of deeding the Canal Zone back to Panama then? If it wasn't U.S. soil, how did he deed it back to Panama?

[K3XR]

Old, old story, same answer.

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/conlawguru/2008/feb/27/john_mccain_is_a_natural_born_citizen

[w6ire]

Wonder why the Peanut Man made such a big deal of deeding the Canal Zone back to Panama then? If it wasn't U.S. soil, how did he deed it back to Panama?

Just how many stars are on the USA flag? Did we remove one when this happened?

[n9vo]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Most people say that he is eligible because the "spirit" of this law was not meant to exclude the offspring of military personnel serving overseas. But the law is quite clear, and technically speaking, he's ineligible.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law. So, I believe no slack should be cut for McCain.

He is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or buts.

So then you must agree that since the constituion, when talking about the president, says "he" this and "he" that would exclude your good friend Hillary from running as she is not eligible. Remember No Lax interpretation of the laws.

She is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or butts!!!!

[K3XR]

No doubt a slow news day for the folks in "Caustic", Ca.

[w6ire]

I'm just saying that in the interest of fairness, the government apply the law to themselves as strictly as they apply it to us.

[KD6NIG]

Wasn't this debated in a similar thread a few weeks ago?

[w6ire]

No doubt a slow news day for the folks in "Caustic", Ca.

Just what I would expect from someone in "Stinking Spring".

LOL, see that, I'm a clever lad just like you! :cool:

[w6ire]

Wasn't this debated in a similar thread a few weeks ago?

Hey Josh! Everything has already been debated here at one time or another. :D

[K3XR]

Maybe this can be printed and shared at the local Starbucks.

http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20080206093228294

[w6ire]

Maybe this can be printed and shared at the local Starbucks.

http://www.panama-guide.com/article.php/20080206093228294

That's just some dope's web page. Panama was never admitted into the Union like Alaska and Hawaii.

[N9XR]

So then you must agree that since the constituion, when talking about the president, says "he" this and "he" that would exclude your good friend Hillary from running as she is not eligible. Remember No Lax interpretation of the laws.

She is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or butts!!!!

Where does the constitution say that a woman cannot be president?

Let's look at what the Constitution DOES say:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term,

So what this is saying is that there is no definition for the limit of the term for the elected woman because a man elected will be limited to a 4 year term. The Constitution is allowing Hillary's term to be unlimited.

[N2RJ]

Just how many stars are on the USA flag? Did we remove one when this happened?

So are you saying someone born in Puerto Rico can't be President?

[N4VGB]

Just how many stars are on the USA flag? Did we remove one when this happened?

There is a distinctive difference between a state and a U.S. possession but both qualify as U.S. soil.

[ac4ut]

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The Constitution is allowing Hillary's term to be unlimited.[/QUOTE]

Nah, it will just seem that way.

[K3XR]

Dems for Mc Cain??

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/17/show-of-democratic-hands-how-many-of-you-will-vote-for-mccain-if-your-candidate-loses/?print=1

[K9STH]

IRE:

There are states, there are territories, there are commonwealth members, and there are possessions. ALL of these are part of the United States. Persons born in those locations are definitely "native born citizens". In fact, U.S. embassies, ligations, and certain other areas (i.e. certain military cemeteries like those located in France) are all United States territory and therefore anyone born at those locations IS a United States citizen.

Also, United States law specifies that a child born of which at least one parent is a United States citizen is also "native born" no matter in what location the child is born. This law used to say that the father had to be a citizen but that has been changed and now the mother can be the citizen.

From the early 1900s until Jimmy Carter returned the Panama Canal Zone to the Panamanian government it WAS United States soil. In fact, had there not been help from the United States there would not be an independent country of Panama since what is now Panama was part of Colombia and it became an independent country when the United States wanted to "take over" the construction of the Panama Canal from a French company.

Certain forces in the Democratic Party tried this when Barry Goldwater ran for President. He was born in Arizona Territory and not in the State of Arizona. This was before Arizona became a state in 1912. However, their challenges were "laughed out of court".

Even Winston Churchill was a citizen of the United States! This was because his mother was a United States citizen and the Congress of the United States passed special legislation to recognize this fact. This particular law removed any doubt that Churchill was a citizen of the United States of America.

Glen, K9STH

[w6ire]

Look Glen, you make a lot of good points and have supported all of them with facts, but I'm not impressed with facts. Facts bounce off my head like bullets off Superman's chest. McCain is a Panamanian and we don't want Panamanians running our country.

[kf6rdn]

No doubt a slow news day for the folks in "Caustic", Ca.

That's actually a nice area, just north of me, in Sandy Clarita and also leans a little bit right, 'specially compared to most of Cali..

[K9STH]

IRE:

Those born in the Panama Canal Zone were often called "Zonians" and definitely not Panamanians. Therefore, your conception of being governed by a Panamanian is incorrect. Now being governed by a "Zonian" is a different matter.

:cool:

Glen, K9STH

[N2RJ]

dupe

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(Fred, please bring back the delete button for subscribers!)

[N2RJ]

IRE:

There are states, there are territories, there are commonwealth members, and there are possessions. ALL of these are part of the United States. Persons born in those locations are definitely "native born citizens". In fact, U.S. embassies, ligations, and certain other areas (i.e. certain military cemeteries like those located in France) are all United States territory and therefore anyone born at those locations IS a United States citizen.

Actually that is not entirely correct.

People born in outlying posessions (American Samoa and Swain's Island) are NOT citizens of the US by birth, unless they meet some other condition (i.e. their parents were citizens and they meet the residency requirement. Rather, they are nationals.


Also, United States law specifies that a child born of which at least one parent is a United States citizen is also "native born" no matter in what location the child is born. This law used to say that the father had to be a citizen but that has been changed and now the mother can be the citizen.

True. There are other conditions to be met, including at least one parent having 5 years of residency in the US prior to the birth of the child.

However, the constitution does not define what a "natural born citizen" is, so we really don't know for sure if a President born on foreign soil who acquires citizenship at birth is eligible for the office of President.


Certain forces in the Democratic Party tried this when Barry Goldwater ran for President. He was born in Arizona Territory and not in the State of Arizona. This was before Arizona became a state in 1912. However, their challenges were "laughed out of court".

True, but Goldwater was never elected. I'm sure if he was elected it would have no doubt been an even bigger issue than it is now.

[KW4MW]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Panama is in America - Central America.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law.

Poor analogy: The news of this week's grounding of hundreds of MD80 aircraft has
everyone from aviation executives to stranded passengers to lawmakers
debating the balance between safety-of-flight issues and an agency that's
suddenly determined to look tough in the wake of a string of embarrassing
gaffes.

What should be scrutinized is the Federal Aviation Administration's
lack of organization and obvious back-peddling in the last month to avoid
government-directed housekeeping of airline regulators. Breakdowns between
airlines and the FAA in the last month indicate the organization has no
firm directive of how best to regulate the industry.

The fact that the FAA previously gave airlines up to 18 months to
comply with the safety directive is a clear indication that this was not a
threat to safety-of-flight and in no way required airlines to ground
aircraft and displace thousands of customers. In addition, during the
initial audit, airlines inspected were cleared in compliance with this
directive by the FAA regulators -- a clear oversight of the FAA's
regulators to pay close attention to the complicated and precise
specifications of their own airworthiness directive.

March 6 -- the FAA comes under fire by the House Transportation and
Infrastructure Committee for its relationship with Southwest Airlines. Upon
being called to court by Congress on this issue, the FAA immediately
assessed Southwest with a $10.2 million fine for flying planes that had not
been properly checked for fuselage cracks.

March 13 -- Upon the investigation and resulting Congressional hearing
becoming public, the FAA instituted a March 26 audit of the 2006 directive
related to the bundling of wires in the wheel wells of aircraft -- forcing
American, Delta and United to ground planes to ensure compliance.

April 8 -- This week during the FAA hearings in Washington, D.C.,
policymakers have called the FAA relationship with Southwest Airlines "too
cozy" and are further questioning those responsible for regulating
airlines, including reassignments of personnel. The organization's response
to this questioning resulted in a second public audit and forced grounding
of American's entire MD 80 fleet and additional MD80 groundings with Delta,
Alaska Air and Midwest Airlines.

Regulating the US Airline industry takes an orderly and methodical
approach given the vast number of flights and customers transported each
day. This recent pattern of behavior makes it clear the FAA needs to
reorganize how it regulates its own policies and procedures for working
with the airlines. As for the financial impact to the industry, the FAA
should be held accountable for the resulting cost to the airline industry
and to hundreds of thousands of passengers inconvenienced in the latest
failure to properly regulate the airlines.

As Federal Aviation Administration Comes Under Fire, the Organization Inappropriately Deflects Scrutiny to Airline Safety (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=ind_focus.story&STORY=/www/story/04-11-2008/0004791136&EDATE=FRI+Apr+11+2008,+02:07+PM)

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He was eligible to drive jets in 'nam. Gotta wonder if anyone here argued against that, back then.

[w5klb]

Look Glen, you make a lot of good points and have supported all of them with facts, but I'm not impressed with facts. Facts bounce off my head like bullets off Superman's chest...

Typical. Facts and truth always confuse liberals.

[N9XR]

He was eligible to drive jets in 'nam. Gotta wonder if anyone here argued against that, back then.

http://www.friendsofmccain.com/images/Forrestal_Disaster.jpg

I think there were more than a few people upset that he was in a cockpit.

But, if we are really lucky, McCain will pick Manual Noriega as his running mate.

[N2RJ]

He was eligible to drive jets in 'nam. Gotta wonder if anyone here argued against that, back then.

You don't even need to be a citizen to join the US military, and you don't need to be a legal alien to be drafted...

[ab3fl]

Incorrect. Nice try though. The law requires you to be a "Natural Born Citizen".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

There is no clear legal definition and differing opinions abound. But the very fact that McCain must slip in through the back door hope for a favorable interpretation of his status is so deliciously Republican.

And yet, everyone else in America his held to the exact letter of the law, no matter how ridiculous.

Also, let's not forget, he was one of the "Keating Five (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five)". He's a scoundrel and unfortunately, most people have a short memory.

Further down on the same link:

"The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens"

[KB1KIX]

I can't belive this idiotic thread made it this far......

Jonathan

[W8NSI]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Most people say that he is eligible because the "spirit" of this law was not meant to exclude the offspring of military personnel serving overseas. But the law is quite clear, and technically speaking, he's ineligible.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law. So, I believe no slack should be cut for McCain.

He is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or buts.

The Government not cutting slack? That is a real knee slapper.

All you have to do out there in CalifAztlan is look around at all those border jumpers for whom nothing but slack has been cut. It is to the point where they are demanding citizenship to go with all the rest of the free bennies they collect.

Many employers out your way choose to hire illegals as cheap labor. You are an electrical contractor... how many are on your payroll? :eek:

[n9vo]

Where does the constitution say that a woman cannot be president?

Let's look at what the Constitution DOES say:



So what this is saying is that there is no definition for the limit of the term for the elected woman because a man elected will be limited to a 4 year term. The Constitution is allowing Hillary's term to be unlimited.



It only would allude to a woman not being eligible if the "strict" adherence to the rules were observed. Note where it says "HE" shall hold his office.....etc, etc. Now can a woman be a he??? Now this is in effect only by observing the strict adherence of rules as indicated by the topic originator.


"Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:"

Now of course this wouldn't hold up in court, but what the hay, this is the Zed!!!!!!!

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Now can a woman be a he???

I could direct you to some web sites, but the moderators would get cranky...

[ab3fl]

Could Hillary really be a he? :D

[wa6ccw]

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0194.gif

[NR7J]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Most people say that he is eligible because the "spirit" of this law was not meant to exclude the offspring of military personnel serving overseas. But the law is quite clear, and technically speaking, he's ineligible.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law. So, I believe no slack should be cut for McCain.

He is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or buts.

Afraid McCain is going to win?
TOO BAD ! ! McCain WILL WIN ! ! ! !

[W0GDS]

I feel we should also make that include persons who will not honor the American Flag, or the troops or speak out to defend our country against those who wish to tear it down any way they can and that includes getting a Muslim into the highest office in the country. What better way to take down a country than to infiltrate to the very top with one who is not standing up for America and who will not honor the flag and stand by it through good times and in bad times.

So that leaves the woman whose favorite book is by the author known as
KARL MARX.........................so what good is it going to do for us to over rule someone who was born to one of our military personnel while serving overseas?

None..........................

W0GDS

[wa6ccw]

Only someone born in America can be President and McCain was born in Panama.

Most people say that he is eligible because the "spirit" of this law was not meant to exclude the offspring of military personnel serving overseas. But the law is quite clear, and technically speaking, he's ineligible.

I don't believe in being lax in the interpretation of this law, after all, the FAA is not lax when it grounds hundreds of planes because cable straps are spaced 1/4" too far apart. The government never cuts any slack, the law is the law. So, I believe no slack should be cut for McCain.

He is not eligible to become president. No if, ands, or buts.

If the shoe were on the other foot - i.e., if Clinton or Obama were born in Panama - would you have posted this same thread and demanded that the same "standard" be enforced against one of them?

[wa6ccw]

McCain is a Panamanian and we don't want Panamanians running our country.

If the "Panamanian" were Clinton or Obama, would you be saying the same thing?

[K7RQ]

I think I read that McCain was actually born in the Panama Canal Zone which at the time was American territory. The ham prefix was KZ5.

[n0ov]

Correct..... sounds like 2008 could be a year of first.

We will either get the first Black President, the first Woman President, or first President who was born in an American Territory.

It does raise one question -- Panama grants citizenship to babies born there, along with all members of their family. Hm, wonder what ramifications that could have.

Oh well, anything could be better than Obama and his Marxist Views or Hillary

[K3XR]

Is Barry....Barry??

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/10/the-buzz-about-baracks-birth-certificate/?print=1

[AK7V]

Look Glen, you make a lot of good points and have supported all of them with facts, but I'm not impressed with facts. Facts bounce off my head like bullets off Superman's chest. McCain is a Panamanian and we don't want Panamanians running our country.

Best post ever!

[N9MOQ]

McCain is a Panamanian and we don't want Panamanians running our country.

If the "Panamanian" were Clinton or Obama, would you be saying the same thing?

Absolutely.

Here's one even better... McCain and Obama are Senators, and we don't want Senators (or state governors) running our country.

In fact, no one currently in government.

We want REAL change, not just the same people with their titles changed.

Next year, REGARDLESS of the "election", McCain, Obama and Hillary will ALL remain in power as they are now. One will just have a different title, but they will all still work together to make our lives miserable.

[kd7iic]

Whether he's eligible or not, it's time to end that silly prohibition anyway.

We have natural borns who are selling out this country left and right (think of the CEOs of the megacorporations selling us out to Red China, they were all born here!), and naturalizeds who are more loyal to this country than their former home countries.

Being born here proves nothing other than you have a US birth certificate.

Greedy businessmen will usually always win regardless of the form of government or lifestyle. Who gets the respect the guy in the corvette or the humble fellow in the pinto?

[N4VGB]

Greedy businessmen will usually always win regardless of the form of government or lifestyle.

Thank you, very reassuring. Be diligent in your work duties, I need the stock dividends. Enjoy the Pinto. :)

I'm fast approaching SS age and will need an increase in withholding from your paycheck also. :p