View Full Version : EXTREMISTS: Neocons, Ideology & Fantasy
Are Neocons and Jihadists alike? In this documentary,witness the striking similarities and ideological origins of both Neocons and Jihadists (like Bin Laden). Find out how Neocons want to deny the world of individual freedom and self-expression, and how they gain power by spreading fear concocted from mere fantasies.
Why NeoCons are Extremists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39uAJ05vVM)
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03-28-2008, 03:17 PM
You are obsessed with neocons.
Read this sentence over and over and over until you get it:
Neocons don't exist.
With the exception of the RF addled liberals on this board, I never ever encounter the word Neocon. Not on any of the dozens of boards I hang out on, not in the workplace, not in face to face encounters ( you do get away from the keyboard and talk to real people? )
Neocons exist only in the mind of obsessive compulsive people with strange names like n2nh and nx6d.
There is no bogeyman. The CIA did not invent crack and AIDS. There are no aliens at Area 51. The X files was fiction. And neocons are a fig newton of your fevered imagination.
Seek psychiatric help.
Neocons don't exist.
They most certainly do. They have destroyed the country and brought misery to a planet. In their own minds, they don't exist anymore, now that they've done the damage. After all, they would have to take the blame wouldn't they? And while they believe in that, that is only for others, isn't it? And those who say "Neocons don't exist," are merely the wolves in sheeps clothing. The most extremist of the extreme who don't want you to know they are there. And if there are no neocons, why, oh why is it that just a mere mention of the word opens the floodgates of personal attacks like these? One last thing. Why would you capitalize "Neocon" if they don't exist?
The word is in the Dictionary (http://mw4.m-w.com/dictionary/neocon), the encyclopedia and right after most people's favorite cuss word these days.
Thanks for outing thyself, neocon. Stop trying to revise your pasts neocons. That's so much like what Nazis did after WW II.
K7JEM
03-28-2008, 03:37 PM
Stop trying to revise your pasts neocons. That's so much like what Nazis did after WW II.
Invoking Godwin's Law does little to further your point, right or wrong.
Invoking Godwin's Law does little to further your point, right or wrong.
True, but he is right you know... :rolleyes:
Invoking Godwin's Law does little to further your point, right or wrong.
Godwin's law is a convenient canard used by the right to do as they wish without allowing anybody to make the Politically Incorrect (as per Godwin) but totally accurate correlation that Neocons, Fascists and Nazis are all in the same bed.
Godwin = Politically Incorrect. Neocon version.
Just like the Nazis, the Neocons are trying to distance themselves from their works by calling themselves, moderates, libertarians, conservatives and even *GASP* Liberals.
Neocons?
Nope, nobody here but some chickens.
And a chickenhawk or two.
:p
K7JEM
03-28-2008, 03:50 PM
Just pointing out that making absurd comparisons does nothing to further your cause. If you really believe this stuff you post, you are as bad as the "neocons" that you berate.
Come up with better stuff, more realistic comparisons, better debate points. Fewer things that are emotionally based.
Neocons are no different that the radical left, or any other radical subset. They exist in all political subdivisions. They are no worse or better that any other set.
Joe
Just pointing out that making absurd comparisons does nothing to further your cause. If you really believe this stuff you post, you are as bad as the "neocons" that you berate.
Come up with better stuff, more realistic comparisons, better debate points. Fewer things that are emotionally based.
Neocons are no different that the radical left, or any other radical subset. They exist in all political subdivisions. They are no worse or better that any other set.
Joe
That's pretty simplistic there guy.
You seem to be saying the Green Party is as destructive and potentially destablizing as the PNAC crowd are, and that's just absurd.
K7JEM
03-28-2008, 04:01 PM
That's pretty simplistic there guy.
You seem to be saying the Green Party is as destructive and potentially destablizing as the PNAC crowd are, and that's just absurd.
I didn't say that. What I said is that radical people exist on all sides. There are certainly some on the radical left that are worse that others on the radical right, and vice-versa. This isn't hard to show.
But making ludicrous comparisons to Nazis shows a disconnect with reality.
Joe
I didn't say that. What I said is that radical people exist on all sides. There are certainly some on the radical left that are worse that others on the radical right, and vice-versa. This isn't hard to show.
But making ludicrous comparisons to Nazis shows a disconnect with reality.
Joe
Ok, point taken.
But it seems to me that the radical right has a higher percentage of those that encourage and cheer on violence and destruction.
And while you can find idiots on both side, the radical right appears to have more.
n2ize
03-28-2008, 04:19 PM
I didn't say that. What I said is that radical people exist on all sides. There are certainly some on the radical left that are worse that others on the radical right, and vice-versa. This isn't hard to show.
But making ludicrous comparisons to Nazis shows a disconnect with reality.
Joe
It depends on the comparisons being made. The point being are the comparisons correct ? If they are correct than they aren't ludicrous. One would have to list the comparisons and determine the truth or falseness of each one. So for example if one comparison was the proposal that...
" Bush is Adolf Hitler"
that would be patently false and therefore ludicrous.
On the other hand
"Both the Nazi's and the Bush administration reduced funding for womens education"
and if that statement were to be true then its not ludicrous.
Again, it depends on the statements being made and whether or not they are true or false. Since I neither saw nor analyzed the material I cannot make those determinations.
But I would never make the correlation on an individual basis. Why? Because the neocon movement is known by the works that it has authored and enacted as a movement. Are all neocons bad? No, but on the whole, the ideology of PNAC, the US being the World's policeman and the fallout that we will have to endure for generations is more than enough to make the assumption on.
By their works you shall know them. To invoke Godwin every time the word Nazi is mentioned, well, then we should also have the right to say the same about the opposite, everytime the words Bolshevik, Socialist, Communist or Trotskyist, is mentioned too. Of course, we know that isn't true.
Is it noblesse entitlement, or just we can and you can't?
Of course, to mention neocons, to show a bit of information on their past, well, that makes me as bad as them? Right. Radicals of any ilk, BTW, are not trustworthy. Left or Right.
I certainly would not think that Bush & Co. are in any way directly comparable individually to the wallpaper hanger.
Do you really want to know what the problem is? I don't see the Democrats as being any closer to having a clue as to what is best for the voter, and the country. And I believe that we all have reduced expectations regarding the future thanks to the last dozen or so years of ineptitude. It isn't a right vs left thing so much as the ball being dropped so badly that seems to be the problem.
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03-28-2008, 05:09 PM
You want Nazi analogies, you get Nazi analogies
Substitute the word Jews for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like Joseph Goebbels.
Substitute the word Grays for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like a UFO conspiracy nut.
Substitute the word ( you know the word ) for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like the Grand Imperial Kleagle, or whatever the Klan Klown in Kontrol calls himself...
You sound like a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to. Because you ARE a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to.
You can't see that even when it is pointed out to you in clear plain English.
You want Nazi analogies, you get Nazi analogies
Substitute the word Jews for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like Joseph Goebbels.
Substitute the word Grays for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like a UFO conspiracy nut.
Substitute the word ( you know the word ) for the word Neocon in all your posts.
You sound like the Grand Imperial Kleagle, or whatever the Klan Klown in Kontrol calls himself...
You sound like a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to. Because you ARE a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to.
You can't see that even when it is pointed out to you in clear plain English.
Not really, we blame the problems of America on a group we wouldn't belong to.
Always calling the rational ones nutters, that song is played out OM.
The true nutters are the ones who turn a blind eye to the crimes of the current administration while attacking those who point them out.
You can't see that even when it is pointed out to you in clear plain English.
Ah, but words matter. Again, I would never do what 5MB just did. But it does make you wonder what kind of mind would even think like that.
Jews never said there WMDs in Iraq. Greys? What are they? I don't know which word you mean that I'm supposed to know. Greys and unknowable words. BTW, those aren't analogies they're mis-statements. Well they would be if they made whole sentences. And there is no way you can attribute those to me. They are solely inventions of your own imagination. See, a direct quote can be attributed to me. I have said that. This is a very lame attempt to make a connection that based on what you think I'd do.
Churchill did not say, "We'll fight them at McDonalds! We'll fight them in Wendy's! We'll fight them in Burger King!" Can you link it to him? No more than you can link this to me.
In fact if that post wasn't so ludicrous, that post could be considered malicious. Who would presume to put words in someone elses mouth?
Nothing like the personal attack when you can't hold a factual debate.
Notice, for a group that doesn't exist, the absolute depravity and hate in the posts trying to personally defame the author. I can't imagine why anybody would get that upset when they say there's no such thing as a neocon.
And you sound like a loudmouth newbie wingnut nutjob that has an axe to grind about a group that supposedly doesn't exist.
There are no substitutions. Neocons are good at that. Remember all those dictionary definition threads? Neocons came up with their own daffynitions.
:p
Neocons don't exist.
William Kristol and Norman Podhoretz would disagree with you on this subject.
No wonder Liberalism is called a mental disorder.....
http://newsbusters.org/node/20186/print
w2amr
03-28-2008, 09:14 PM
[QUOTE=ad5mb;1179617]You are obsessed with neocons.
Read this sentence over and over and over until you get it:
Neocons don't exist.
With the exception of the RF addled liberals on this board, I never ever encounter the word Neocon.QUOTE]
You don't get out much do you OM ? :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_con
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03-28-2008, 09:18 PM
Because you ARE a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to.
You're pie hole seems to be rather large. The stuff falling out of it is kinda foul, too.
Just an observation.
w2amr
03-28-2008, 09:36 PM
You sound like a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to. Because you ARE a loudmouth nutjob who blames all the problems in the world on a group of people you don't belong to.
.
Are you talking to Limbaugh, Does he hang out here too?
Talk about a fantasy, the plane boss, the plane.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/comedy-gold-harry-reid-on-whether-taxes-are-voluntary/?print=1
w2amr
04-02-2008, 08:08 AM
Talk about a fantasy, the plane boss, the plane.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/01/comedy-gold-harry-reid-on-whether-taxes-are-voluntary/?print=1
Technically speaking, pig Flatulence could be considered hot air as well.
N4VGB
04-02-2008, 10:42 PM
Technically speaking, pig Flatulence could be considered hot air as well.
A Camaro would make you feel better.:D
First the wrong nationality, now the wrong model. At least the make was right.
Say high to Jed for me.
:D
N4VGB
04-03-2008, 03:32 AM
First the wrong nationality, now the wrong model. At least the make was right.
Say high to Jed for me.
:D
Everyone knows the Camaro is superior to the Chevelle.
Scientific tests done at Los Alamos Labs confirm that we classic Camaro owners get a larger adrenaline rush from each tire smoking burnout than classic Chevelle owners.
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04-03-2008, 05:15 AM
You're pie hole seems to be rather large. The stuff falling out of it is kinda foul, too.
This could be said of the hole that defines you.
Not the pie hole. The cow pie hole, the bull pie hole...,
No doubt another "neocon fantasy".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=555465&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
I see the problem not as stupidity, but as ignorance. I've been blessed with good intelligence, but have done some very stupid things in my life for one reason or another. Labels are a necessacary evil, but I don't like them. The problem with labels (and neocon is a label) is that people get grouped together that don't always deserve to be grouped together. Some will say that all Reps are neocons, while others say all Dems are liberals or Socialists. This is incorrect, at least IMO. All schnauzers are dogs but not all dogs are schnauzers. Some people are little more than mere Doctrinaires. We get into trouble when we start writing things in stone.
kg6amw
04-04-2008, 07:57 PM
Technically speaking, pig Flatulence could be considered hot air as well.
Is the picture of the red SS in the corner a 1970 model? I drove a brand new1968 model my last year in high school. What a ride.