View Full Version : Obama's church addresses Wright controversy
kg4kww
03-24-2008, 06:55 PM
Judge for yourself.
Is this being said and done because it's what the people want to see and hear?
CHICAGO (AP) — The new pastor of Barack Obama's Chicago church said during Easter Sunday services that recent national scrutiny of the church is a test that will only make the congregation stronger.
"Any time you go through a crucifixion experience … eventually they have to lift you up," said the Rev. Otis Moss III, who did not shy away from the controversy surrounding his predecessor at Trinity United Church of Christ, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.
Wright retired from Trinity's pulpit last month but retains the title of senior pastor. Video from some of his more inflammatory sermons has surfaced online and on television in recent weeks.
Moss said Sunday that Wright's critics and the news media "are just lifting us up to give us the opportunity to speak love to this situation."
"The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning," Obama said.
Obama did not attend the Easter Sunday service.
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N3ATS
03-24-2008, 10:00 PM
Translation: The exposure is allowing them to convey their message to a wider audience.
AE6IP
03-25-2008, 01:19 AM
So even more people will have the audacity of hope?
yay!
N3ATS
03-25-2008, 01:39 AM
We hope someone will give us a handout, maybe.
We hope someone will give us a handout,
maybe.
I personally believe that black Americans want more than a handout. I believe that they want to be recognized for the sacrifices that their ancestors made for this country without hope of ever being rewarded for their efforts. Like it or not, black and white forced labor built the colonial infrastructure that made this country possible. The re-classification of black servants as perpetual slaves in Virginia in 1705 set into motion a chain of events that basically made achieving the American dream impossible for members of the black race for almost three hundred years. I would be pissed too if I were black. They have waited for their turn for longer than any other ethic group in America.
You know Barry, you got a problem with this one.
http://www.slate.com/id/2187277/pagenum/all/#page_start
N3ATS
03-25-2008, 04:47 PM
I personally believe that black Americans want more than a handout. I believe that they want to be recognized for the sacrifices that their ancestors made for this country without hope of ever being rewarded for their efforts. Like it or not, black and white forced labor built the colonial infrastructure that made this country possible. The re-classification of black servants as perpetual slaves in Virginia in 1705 set into motion a chain of events that basically made achieving the American dream impossible for members of the black race for almost three hundred years. I would be pissed too if I were black. They have waited for their turn for longer than any other ethic group in America.
While I recongize the horrid way African slaves were treated in this nation so long ago, I have to disagree with your last sentence.
Their turn? Who's stopping them? Are not blacks capable of succeeding on their own?
While I recongize the horrid way African slaves were treated in this nation so long ago, I have to disagree with your last sentence.
Their turn? Who's stopping them? Are not blacks capable of succeeding on their own?
OK, so if Obama ascended to the highest office in the land and the world for that matter, would the long wait be over?
K2WH
KD6NIG
03-25-2008, 05:51 PM
I personally believe that black Americans want more than a handout. I believe that they want to be recognized for the sacrifices that their ancestors made for this country without hope of ever being rewarded for their efforts. Like it or not, black and white forced labor built the colonial infrastructure that made this country possible. The re-classification of black servants as perpetual slaves in Virginia in 1705 set into motion a chain of events that basically made achieving the American dream impossible for members of the black race for almost three hundred years. I would be pissed too if I were black. They have waited for their turn for longer than any other ethic group in America.
The first people they should be mad at is their own.
Who sold them into slavery in the first place?
The first people they should be mad at is their own.
Who sold them into slavery in the first place?
I would imagine many different groups sold them into slavery. But, from what I have seen on the History Channel and others, many of these people were basically hunted like animals, chained and like the Bataan death march, marched to the sea and the ships, never to see their homeland or their families. I can't imagine anything so wretched and sad.
K2WH
KB9YCO
03-25-2008, 06:03 PM
Judge for yourself.
Is this being said and done because it's what the people want to see and hear?
Isn't that was ALL politicians do? Especially during election time.
In all honesty I could care less what Obama's preacher say, it's what the candidates say that really matters.
KD6NIG
03-25-2008, 06:06 PM
I would imagine many different groups sold them into slavery. But, from what I have seen on the History Channel and others, many of these people were basically hunted like animals, chained and like the Bataan death march, marched to the sea and the ships, never to see their homeland or their families. I can't imagine anything so wretched and sad.
K2WH
Agreed, but you never hear about that much. Just that everyone seems to owe them.
I think if you want to be owed, everyone involved should have to pay the debt. Not just the people who purchased the "end product" or however you want to put it.
N3ATS
03-25-2008, 08:29 PM
OK, so if Obama ascended to the highest office in the land and the world for that matter, would the long wait be over?
K2WH
For one man it would be.
kg4kww
03-26-2008, 04:02 AM
KB9YCO---In all honesty I could care less what Obama's preacher say, it's what the candidates say that really matters.
KB9YCO, how do you know if the candidates are telling you the truth and not saying what you want to hear?
kg4kww
03-26-2008, 04:54 AM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/25/art.split.ap.jpg
While I recongize the horrid way African slaves were treated in this nation so long ago, I have to disagree with your last sentence.
Their turn? Who's stopping them? Are not blacks capable of succeeding on their own?
Two things are stopping black Americans; namely, influence and access to capital. While attitudes are changing, it is hard to undo three hundred years of legalized discrimination in forty years. Do you not find it to be peculiar that 40% of Alabamans voted to retain the state’s unconstitutional ban on interracial marriage in 2000?
Agreed, but you never hear about that much. Just that everyone seems to owe them.
I think if you want to be owed, everyone involved should have to pay the debt. Not just the people who purchased the "end product" or however you want to put it.
How long has your family been in the U.S.?
OK, so if Obama ascended to the highest office in the land and the world for that matter, would the long wait be over?
K2WH
I keep asking myself that question. Far be it Democrats even think such a thing, albeit they utter the question. That would usurp their whole world -- their coddled to, yet seemingly disenfranchised, economic and racially divisive base.
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/10/16/t1home.cheneyobama.gi.jpg
K8YZK
03-27-2008, 04:19 PM
"In all honesty I could care less what Obama's preacher say, it's what the candidates say that really matters."
Really when Obama has said he is a mentor to him, plus in the 20yrs that he has been a member of this church what else has Wright said. Obama must like what he heard because he gave the church a check for $27,500. A very large amount, considering in the last 7 years he have given anywhere from 1 to 4% of his income to charity.
I guess talk is cheap.
Barry still running for the tall grass on the wrong Rev. Wright.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/28/obamas-wright-stuff-the-tapdance-continues/?print=1
N3ATS
03-28-2008, 10:38 PM
Two things are stopping black Americans; namely, influence and access to capital. While attitudes are changing, it is hard to undo three hundred years of legalized discrimination in forty years.
Blacks have the same opportunities as everyone else. Whether or not they take advantage of them, or continue to blame Whitey is the issue.
Alabama repealed the interracial marriage ban in 2000. That's saying something given the fact that Alabama is 75% white.
W8NSI
03-28-2008, 10:59 PM
I personally believe that black Americans want more than a handout. I believe that they want to be recognized for the sacrifices that their ancestors made for this country without hope of ever being rewarded for their efforts. Like it or not, black and white forced labor built the colonial infrastructure that made this country possible. The re-classification of black servants as perpetual slaves in Virginia in 1705 set into motion a chain of events that basically made achieving the American dream impossible for members of the black race for almost three hundred years. I would be pissed too if I were black. They have waited for their turn for longer than any other ethic group in America.
How many centuries could they remain "pissed"?
Lincoln made a war time declaration freeing them on September 22, 1862, and it was finalized in the Thirteenth Amendment on December 18, 1865, with further additions and protections added later in the 14th and 15th amendments.
You have to grow up and stand on your hind legs eventually!
If they are pissed at what continued in the deep south... :confused: talk to the good old boy southern Democrats like KKK Grand Wizard Senator "Sheets" Byrd. It was the Republicans in the 1960s that pushed through the civil rights legislation. :eek:
You mention 1705 as some magical year or something...
President George Washington (President #1) - April 30 1789 to March 4 1797 So the USA as a country cant be liable for the time frame you start at. White Europeans of questionable character, maybe.
Slavery was not exclusively a trade by Europeans and continues to this day in parts of Africa.
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13th Amendment Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
13th Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
14th Amendment Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
15th Amendment Section. 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
15th Section. 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
AE6IP
03-28-2008, 11:14 PM
Blacks have the same opportunities as everyone else.
That is simple nonsense. Studies routinely show that discrimination remains in hiring and credit, as well as in criminal sentencing. There are still significant inequalities in educational opportunity at K-12.
Alabama repealed the interracial marriage ban in 2000. That's saying something given the fact that Alabama is 75% white.
Yes, yes it does. It says that 40 years after the Civil Rights movement, Alabama was still so blatantly racist as to have discriminatory laws on the books. Are you suggesting all that racism simply disappeared in 2000?
We've come a long way in the country in the last 50 years, but we've still got a ways to go.