Iraq War Death Toll Now 4,000

[n2nh]

After 4 Soldiers died on Easter Sunday, the Death Toll reached 4,000.

Four U.S. soldiers died Sunday night in a roadside bombing in Iraq, military officials reported, bringing the American toll in the 5-year-old war to 4,000 deaths.

The four were killed when a homemade bomb hit their vehicle as they patrolled in a southern Baghdad neighborhood, the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq said. A fifth soldier was wounded.

The grim milestone comes less than a week after the fifth anniversary of the start of the war.

US Death Toll Now 4,000. (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/24/iraq.main/?iref=hpmostpop)

Faces of the Fallen. (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/)

[n4cd]

Yes, 400 died in the past 5 years fighting to stop terrorism at its source.

In the same 5 years, over 250,000 AMericans were slaughtered in vehicle accidents, half of them by DRUNK drivers. Where is your tally on how many innocent American lives were snuffed out by preventable caes of drunk driving?

During WW2, it was not unusual to lose 5000 men in a single battle. I'm sure you have done a study of all the wonderful young men who sacrificed their lives so you aren't speaking Japanese or German as your native language in the states? Millions were injured, and milions served.

4000 is 3 more than 3997, which it was a few days ago.

Yes, every death is tragic, but until I see you having the save fervor with deaths by drunk driving (and the average American is likely to be in an accident in a year with 1 in 3000 probability), and trying to reduce the 250,000 deaths (that is 67.5 times the number in the same time period), you are just blowing political propaganda smoke.

[KC0LFV]

Yes, 400 died in the past 5 years fighting to stop terrorism at its source.

In the same 5 years, over 250,000 AMericans were slaughtered in vehicle accidents, half of them by DRUNK drivers. Where is your tally on how many innocent American lives were snuffed out by preventable caes of drunk driving?

During WW2, it was not unusual to lose 5000 men in a single battle. I'm sure you have done a study of all the wonderful young men who sacrificed their lives so you aren't speaking Japanese or German as your native language in the states? Millions were injured, and milions served.

4000 is 3 more than 3997, which it was a few days ago.

Yes, every death is tragic, but until I see you having the save fervor with deaths by drunk driving (and the average American is likely to be in an accident in a year with 1 in 3000 probability), and trying to reduce the 250,000 deaths (that is 67.5 times the number in the same time period), you are just blowing political propaganda smoke.

Well said.

[ad4mg]

Yes, 400 died in the past 5 years fighting to stop terrorism at its source.

In the same 5 years, over 250,000 AMericans were slaughtered in vehicle accidents, half of them by DRUNK drivers. Where is your tally on how many innocent American lives were snuffed out by preventable caes of drunk driving?

During WW2, it was not unusual to lose 5000 men in a single battle. I'm sure you have done a study of all the wonderful young men who sacrificed their lives so you aren't speaking Japanese or German as your native language in the states? Millions were injured, and milions served.

4000 is 3 more than 3997, which it was a few days ago.

Yes, every death is tragic, but until I see you having the save fervor with deaths by drunk driving (and the average American is likely to be in an accident in a year with 1 in 3000 probability), and trying to reduce the 250,000 deaths (that is 67.5 times the number in the same time period), you are just blowing political propaganda smoke.

Non sequitur argument. Favorite of the weak minded uber right-wing.

[kc7jty]

100 (years as per John McCain) divided by 5 = 20 x 4,000 = 80,000. We can handle it. It's only a flesh wound.

[K4TDM]

Non sequitur argument. Favorite of the weak minded uber right-wing.

Not so much an argument as perspective, a foreign concept to those who hate our President so vehemently as to seize every news item as an opportunity to attack him.

I read in a textbook recently that 5,000 Americans died in the Spanish-American war in less than 4 months. Another source says around 3,300, but the point is the same. Young men, and now young women, die in war. Often at a much more rapid rate. Close to 8,000 Marines died in the 36 days it took to secure Iwo Jima. Every one of those losses was tragic. As is every loss we suffer in this war.

[n8yx]

Not so much an argument as perspective, a foreign concept to those who hate our President so vehemently as to seize every news item as an opportunity to attack him.

I read in a textbook recently that 5,000 Americans died in the Spanish-American war in less than 4 months. Another source says around 3,300, but the point is the same. Young men, and now young women, die in war. Often at a much more rapid rate. Close to 8,000 Marines died in the 36 days it took to secure Iwo Jima. Every one of those losses was tragic. As is every loss we suffer in this war.

Slightly off-topic, but pertinent nonetheless: Why did we manage to "lose" Osama?

[K2WH]

And, if Hillary or Obama are elected President the count will continue to rise they are not (IMHO) the panacea we all hope for.

If anything Bush is basically irrelevant at this time, you should be pointing (future) fingers at those two and get them to sign off on a withdrawl. Yes, I am with you on this.

Bush is practicing retirement stategy at this time and has no time to deal with this untidy war.

K2WH

[N4VGB]

I guess that since you doubled your bandwidth by posting this in 2 different sections, I'll respond in both.


I pay little attention to the U.S. press on the issue of Iraq but I do indeed talk to a lot of the "boots on the ground" that have served in Iraq. The "boots on the ground" guys tell me a much different story than the one the U.S. press tells me. My impression is that the great majority of the common Iraqi civilians fully support the U.S. presence there. Iraq is full of "foreign fighters" from all over the middle east. Only a tiny percentage of Iraqis are actually involved in the continuing violence there. A sudden U.S. pullout from Iraq would result in this small percentage of "foreign fighters" with the aid of a few Iraqi radicals seizing power in the country. Keeping the middle east radicals busy fighting in their own back yard has surely spared the U.S. mainland from any further attacks.

Also keep in mind that the actual number of U.S. deaths in Iraq from "hostile action" is about 75-80% percent of that 4000 total. Accidents and natural deaths account for 20-25% of the 4000 total.

[KD0DKI]

You have touched a cord in my heart, you will find my cousin's son here...

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/states/mi/luzerne/


I'm tired of hearing of young men dieing especially sense I have a 13 year old son. I can't imagine what my cousin went through and is still going through years later. My cousin has 3 other sons all great kids and all want to serve, Mom and Dad on the other hand will not hear of it and we all can understand why. How Mrs. Sullivan lived with her pain I can't imagin.

I 100% support our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airmen. With the attack on the Green zone the stage is being set to an invation of Iran. The troops need to come home soon we need to let the chips fall. You can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

[K8MHZ]

Yes, 400 died in the past 5 years fighting to stop terrorism at its source.

You missed a '0', it's 4000.

You also missed a country. Osama and Co. were Saudis, *not* Iraqis.

It looks like you are one of the diminishing few that feel that anything the Republicans do is OK, just because you are one of them.

I would also like to point out that failure from KBR (Halliburton) to make quarters safe for our soldiers has killed a few of them via electrocution.

We need to support our soldiers by ending this war, and we need to do so yesterday.

[ad4mg]

Non sequitur argument. Favorite of the weak minded uber right-wing.

Not so much an argument as perspective, a foreign concept to those who hate our President so vehemently as to seize every news item as an opportunity to attack him.

I read in a textbook recently that 5,000 Americans died in the Spanish-American war in less than 4 months. Another source says around 3,300, but the point is the same. Young men, and now young women, die in war. Often at a much more rapid rate. Close to 8,000 Marines died in the 36 days it took to secure Iwo Jima. Every one of those losses was tragic. As is every loss we suffer in this war.

We're talking the here and now, so spare me the history lesson. If the idiot in chief had been satisfied with the one conflict in Afghanistan, where we had the whole world supporting us, we could be fighting the terrorists there, where they were already located. So, hell yes, I'll attack the lunatic in the white house every chance I get. Funny thing ... I was behind him 100% for invading Afghanistan, attacking the Taliban, who harbored the cowards who attacked us.

Then, he turned stupid and "duh decided" to invade Iraq without justification. He ruined our country's reputation, destroyed all the good will we had spent centuries building, and is completing his task of turning this country into a 3rd world nation. He's a fool, and we will pay for his mistakes for generations to come. And anyone who supports him is a fool. All 4,000 deaths in Iraq represent blood on his hands, as each and every one was unnecessary.

Some stupid neocon here said these were "negligible" casualties. Try telling that to the families who lost a relative over there. It will cost trillions of dollars, thousands of American lives, and tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives before it's over. And many of us here won't even live long enough to see that day.

You, dick 'n boosh, and every other flippin war mongering neoconservative on the planet will never justify this invasion. It is a fool's war, and we're the fools playing the lead role.

Iraq is bankrupting this country, both morally and economically. Damn the neocons and their nation building, PNAC inspired New World Order, and for being the cowards that they are.

[N4VGB]

You have touched a cord in my heart, you will find my cousin's son here...
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/states/mi/luzerne/
I'm tired of hearing of young men dieing especially sense I have a 13 year old son. I can't imagine what my cousin went through and is still going through years later. My cousin has 3 other sons all great kids and all want to serve, Mom and Dad on the other hand will not hear of it and we all can understand why. How Mrs. Sullivan lived with her pain I can't imagin.
I 100% support our soldiers, marines, sailors, and airmen. With the attack on the Green zone the stage is being set to an invation of Iran. The troops need to come home soon we need to let the chips fall. You can't force people to do what they don't want to do.

My 22 year old son died in an automobile accident last year, I can assure you that the pain of a parent losing an offspring is no greater or lesser due to circumstances involved.

"You can't force people to do what they don't want to do"??? Iraq had an election with many international observers to verify results and the vote turnout was high. Unless you're referring to Iran, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, etc., I don't know who you think is trying to force anything on the Iraqi people?

[KV1M]

My 22 year old son died in an automobile accident last year, I can assure you that the pain of a parent losing an offspring is no greater or lesser due to circumstances involved.

"You can't force people to do what they don't want to do"??? Iraq had an election with many international observers to verify results and the vote turnout was high. Unless you're referring to Iran, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, etc., I don't know who you think is trying to force anything on the Iraqi people?

The occupying Army?

[KC0LFV]

I guess that since you doubled your bandwidth by posting this in 2 different sections, I'll respond in both.


I pay little attention to the U.S. press on the issue of Iraq but I do indeed talk to a lot of the "boots on the ground" that have served in Iraq. The "boots on the ground" guys tell me a much different story than the one the U.S. press tells me. My impression is that the great majority of the common Iraqi civilians fully support the U.S. presence there. Iraq is full of "foreign fighters" from all over the middle east. Only a tiny percentage of Iraqis are actually involved in the continuing violence there. A sudden U.S. pullout from Iraq would result in this small percentage of "foreign fighters" with the aid of a few Iraqi radicals seizing power in the country. Keeping the middle east radicals busy fighting in their own back yard has surely spared the U.S. mainland from any further attacks.

Also keep in mind that the actual number of U.S. deaths in Iraq from "hostile action" is about 75-80% percent of that 4000 total. Accidents and natural deaths account for 20-25% of the 4000 total.

I've hear the same thing from my friends in the military (and seen the pictures that support it).

[KV1M]

The US Army believes that Saddam was in bed with al Qaida, that Iraq sponsored 9/11 and that Iraq somewhere right now has WMD.

The boots on the ground believe what they are told to believe.

And you are shown what they want you to see.
Go to outside (non US) news sources if you want the truth.
They lie to you in your country. I know, they have been lying to me as well but now that I live outside the US I get different news, unvarnished and honest.

You aren't being told the truth, I guarantee that.

[kc7jty]

The US Army believes that Saddam was in bed with al Qaida, that Iraq sponsored 9/11 and that Iraq somewhere right now has WMD.

The boots on the ground believe what they are told to believe.

And you are shown what they want you to see.
Go to outside (non US) news sources if you want the truth.
They lie to you in your country. I know, they have been lying to me as well but now that I live outside the US I get different news, unvarnished and honest.

You aren't being told the truth, I guarantee that.
Then you know we hit Iraq because they were a threat to our real prize Israel.
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/703/richardperle140x1401bw9.jpg

[kg4kww]

This thread should be in the Political Junkie

[ad4mg]

This thread should be in the Political Junkie

Pot, kettle, oh never mind. It's too obvious.

[N4VGB]

The US Army believes that Saddam was in bed with al Qaida, that Iraq sponsored 9/11 and that Iraq somewhere right now has WMD.
The boots on the ground believe what they are told to believe.
And you are shown what they want you to see.
Go to outside (non US) news sources if you want the truth.
They lie to you in your country. I know, they have been lying to me as well but now that I live outside the US I get different news, unvarnished and honest.
You aren't being told the truth, I guarantee that.

Again you insult the lower ranking officers and enlisted men & women of the U.S. military by inferring they are so dumb that they don't understand what they see and what Iraqis tell them? May the blessings of Al Qaeda once again come to you & yours in London. Amazing how people that have been "in country" don't know what they're talking about but from European news you know the truth!? oy vey!

I'm dumb and still think rockets are classified as WMD, of course if you suffer from a very short memory and can't recall that a bunch of those were snatched by U.S. forces in the first days of the war in southern Iraq, what can I say. Verified traces of anthrax powder don't mean a thing unless you have it by the ton? Verified chemicals for making toxic gas don't mean a thing unless you find them already mixed, you don't mix them until you're ready to deploy them!

I must be the only one in the world that watched UN weapons inspectors stalled at the gates of facilities until trucks left out the back gate, Sadaam never understood our satellite capabilities.

The same liberal press that tells me to vote for Obama or Hillary is covering for Bush in Iraq!? oy-vey!

Please stay in Europe forever.

[KB1QBW]

We need to support our soldiers by ending this war, and we need to do so yesterday.

Why not ask the troops what they want, rather than assume you know?

[KB1QBW]

Again you insult the lower ranking officers and enlisted men & women of the U.S. military by inferring they are so dumb that they don't understand what they see and what Iraqis tell them? May the blessings of Al Qaeda once again come to you & yours in London. Amazing how people that have been "in country" don't know what they're talking about but from European news you know the truth!? oy vey!

I'm dumb and still think rockets are classified as WMD, of course if you suffer from a very short memory and can't recall that a bunch of those were snatched by U.S. forces in the first days of the war in southern Iraq, what can I say. Verified traces of anthrax powder don't mean a thing unless you have it by the ton? Verified chemicals for making toxic gas don't mean a thing unless you find them already mixed, you don't mix them until you're ready to deploy them!

I must be the only one in the world that watched UN weapons inspectors stalled at the gates of facilities until trucks left out the back gate, Sadaam never understood our satellite capabilities.

The same liberal press that tells me to vote for Obama or Hillary is covering for Bush in Iraq!? oy-vey!

Please stay in Europe forever.

Shhh. Please refrain from using logic.

[ad4mg]

Again you insult the lower ranking officers and enlisted men & women of the U.S. military by inferring they are so dumb that they don't understand what they see and what Iraqis tell them? May the blessings of Al Qaeda once again come to you & yours in London. Amazing how people that have been "in country" don't know what they're talking about but from European news you know the truth!? oy vey!

I'm dumb and still think rockets are classified as WMD, of course if you suffer from a very short memory and can't recall that a bunch of those were snatched by U.S. forces in the first days of the war in southern Iraq, what can I say. Verified traces of anthrax powder don't mean a thing unless you have it by the ton? Verified chemicals for making toxic gas don't mean a thing unless you find them already mixed, you don't mix them until you're ready to deploy them!

I must be the only one in the world that watched UN weapons inspectors stalled at the gates of facilities until trucks left out the back gate, Sadaam never understood our satellite capabilities.

The same liberal press that tells me to vote for Obama or Hillary is covering for Bush in Iraq!? oy-vey!

Please stay in Europe forever.

Yeah, Todd, listen to the patriot here. What an American, wishing death and destruction to you in your new home. That's what Amerika is all about today? It's the New World Order! The New American Century, built for us by NeoKons, with BOMBS!

Pffffffffffffffffffffft, dude. It must be miserable to be as miserable as you are.

[ad4mg]

Shhh. Please refrain from using NeoKon logic.

Fixed that for ya, Comrade.

[KB9YCO]

Yes, 400 died in the past 5 years fighting to stop terrorism at its source.

In the same 5 years, over 250,000 AMericans were slaughtered in vehicle accidents, half of them by DRUNK drivers. Where is your tally on how many innocent American lives were snuffed out by preventable caes of drunk driving?

...Yes, every death is tragic, but until I see you having the save fervor with deaths by drunk driving (and the average American is likely to be in an accident in a year with 1 in 3000 probability), and trying to reduce the 250,000 deaths (that is 67.5 times the number in the same time period), you are just blowing political propaganda smoke.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I would like to know how you know that the same people that protest the war don't also protest other forms of death that could've been prevented. Using postings here on QRZ as your only model might not be exactly accurate.
As an aside I do have to say that MOST people now realize that the Iraq fiasco was a mistake from the beginning. That being said most of us know that we have a responsibility to fix the problem that our country caused. I don't think we should continue on in Iraq forever, but I do think it would be a huge mistake to just pick up and leave, especially after all the blood that our countrymen (and women) in the military have shed, not to mention the billions that we the tax payers have paid for this war. I don't know when it will end, or how, but I do know that it hasn't done anything but make us the target of the so-called war on terror, and make Iraq the battleground.

[KB1QBW]

Fixed that for ya, Comrade.

No, you fixed it for you. For rational people, it was correct the first time.

Thanks for the effort, though.