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After 4 soldiers died on Easter Sunday, the Death Toll is now 4,000.
Four U.S. soldiers died Sunday night in a roadside bombing in Iraq, military officials reported, bringing the American toll in the 5-year-old war to 4,000 deaths.
The four were killed when a homemade bomb hit their vehicle as they patrolled in a southern Baghdad neighborhood, the U.S. military headquarters in Iraq said. A fifth soldier was wounded.
The grim milestone comes less than a week after the fifth anniversary of the start of the war.
US Death Toll Now 4,000. (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/24/iraq.main/?iref=hpmostpop)
Faces of the Fallen. (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/)
After 4 soldiers died on Easter Sunday, the Death Toll is now 4,000.
US Death Toll Now 4,000. (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/24/iraq.main/?iref=hpmostpop)
Faces of the Fallen. (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/)
How can we worry about dying US soldiers when there is a black minister out there somewhere?
The death of one soldier is tragic, fighting radical islamic terrorists is nessary, the troops understand it, the LIBS don't have a clue.
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120631495290958169.html
KE7JFA
03-24-2008, 03:06 PM
Small price to pay for freedom.
Media does not tell you that we put to rest 25,000 bad guys.
They also don't tell you we destroyed the cities, walled off the neighborhoods and destroyed the infrastructure and economy (while telling the Iraqi's to fix it themselves as per the State Dept's spokesperson) either.
They don't tell us about the 800,000+ refugees and the nearly half a million dead civilians, nor do they talk about the radiation level from the US use of WMD (depleted uranium) being nearly 1600 time more than the background radiation nation wide. Not talking about the soldiers going to get cancer from that as well. Nor the headless and deformed babies not quite making it into the world at the rate of 3 a day in one Baghdad hospital that are a result of that WMD (an international war crime BTW) use by US soldiers.
They don't tell us a lot of things we should know.
So what's your point?
KU0DM
03-24-2008, 03:30 PM
Small price to pay for freedom.
Media does not tell you that we put to rest 25,000 bad guys.
Is our freedom at risk? No.
Are the Iraqis freedom at risk? Not anymore.
The media also doesn't tell you how many innocent Iraqi civilians we've put to rest. Aren't we supposed to be protecting them?
By the way, what happened to Bush's plan of "we stay, they rebuild", haven't seen much rebuilding, and a lot of civilians have been interviewed on various news networks, they aren't seeing much either.
Anyway, if our freedom WAS at risk, does it make sense to send all our efforts away from the U.S.?
KE7JFA
03-24-2008, 03:43 PM
That's war baby.
Soldiers that signed on to do a job.
The iraqi security forces and govt are asking us not to leave.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/zamphir/war8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/zamphir/war5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/zamphir/war6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/zamphir/war4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/zamphir/war1.jpg
The pictures the media won't show.
Despite what you dems say, we are doing good and changing lives for the better.
KU0DM
03-24-2008, 03:47 PM
And Bush is playing to their tune.
Not the way it should be. They have asked us not to leave because the longer we are there, the longer they don't have to deal with the pain in the arse of rebuilding a government of democracy, from the remains of a totalitarian era.
It's not war. It's an occupation of a foreign nation.
We have no business in Iraq anymore, we set a time-table for Iraq to build up a government, gave them cover to do it. They didn't do it.
I bet the Vietnamese wanted us to remain there after the war, I bet the Koreans wanted us to remain there after the war, I bet the FRENCH wanted us to remain there after the war! But we pulled out, and look! They are back on their feet and going strong.
The point is, we completed our mission, take out Sadam Hussein. Is that not what Bush wanted to do? I will quote him "Mission Complete"
So why are we still there?
That's war baby.
Soldiers that signed on to do a job.
Nice job supporting the troops there guy!
Why do you hate the troops so much?
KE7JFA
03-24-2008, 04:12 PM
Nice job supporting the troops there guy!
Why do you hate the troops so much?
Not hating troops. You said that not me.
I do support them and doing a fine job.
We have sent them everything from letters to supplies.
I am just saying that anyone that signs on is subject to being deployed at any given moment to anywhere in the world.
N4VGB
03-24-2008, 04:12 PM
I pay little attention to the U.S. press on the issue of Iraq but I do indeed talk to a lot of the "boots on the ground" that have served in Iraq. The "boots on the ground" guys tell me a much different story than the one the U.S. press tells me. My impression is that the great majority of the common Iraqi civilians fully support the U.S. presence there. Iraq is full of "foreign fighters" from all over the middle east. Only a tiny percentage of Iraqis are actually involved in the continuing violence there. A sudden U.S. pullout from Iraq would result in this small percentage of "foreign fighters" with the aid of a few Iraqi radicals seizing power in the country. Keeping the middle east radicals busy fighting in their own back yard has surely spared the U.S. mainland from any further attacks.
Also keep in mind that the actual number of U.S. deaths in Iraq from "hostile action" is about 75-80% percent of that 4000 total. Accidents and natural deaths account for 20-25% of the 4000 total.
The average US soldier believes Iraq was involved in 9/11 and has WMD.
What the boots on the ground think is what their commanders tell them to think.
I pay little attention... Keeping the middle east radicals busy fighting in their own back yard has surely spared the U.S. mainland from any further attacks.
Also keep in mind that the actual number of U.S. deaths in Iraq from "hostile action" is about 75-80% percent of that 4000 total. Accidents and natural deaths account for 20-25% of the 4000 total.
I hear this all the time that it keeps the fighting over there. But we still had the foreign national gunman at Virginia Tech terrorizing our homeland.
Also, we supported fighting in Gaza as well as the West Bank, and we still got the Trade Towers hit.
Your logic is not valid.
You are right about the number of US dead from "hostile action". Some have simply died after writing op-ed columns to newspapers updating progress in Iraq.
KU0DM
03-24-2008, 04:46 PM
The average US soldier believes Iraq was involved in 9/11 and has WMD.
What the boots on the ground think is what their commanders tell them to think.
You said it.
I Could not agree more, or add anything more.
N3ATS
03-24-2008, 05:00 PM
“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger
And, if Hillary or Obama are elected President the count will continue to rise as they are not (IMHO) the panacea we all hope for.
If anything Bush is basically irrelevant at this time, you should be pointing (future) fingers at those two and get them to sign off on a withdrawl plan that they will stick to. Yes, I am with you on this.
Bush is practicing retirement stategy at this time and has no time to deal with this untidy war.
K2WH
“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger
That goes pretty much along side the Limbaugh quote calling those he does not agree with "Phony Soldiers".
The disdain for our soldiers from the right is appalling.
Small price to pay for freedom.
Media does not tell you that we put to rest 25,000 bad guys.
If 4,000 US dead is a small price, then what exactly is the correct price to pay for freedom? 300 million lives? How many more kids do we need to have to make the debt payment?
If 4,000 US dead is a small price, then what exactly is the correct price to pay for freedom? 300 million lives? How many more kids do we need to have to make the debt payment?
Not to denigrate you or our soldiers, but I'm sure you meant, "How many more MEN". I think when you join the service and are uniformed and in battle, you are no longer a kid but a grown man. But yes, they should be brought home as soon as possible but with honor. How to do that seems to be very elusive. No one seems willing or able to do a withdrawl without saving a scintilla of honor for the USA. I feel it is a puzzle with no solution.
K2WH
Not to denigrate you or our soldiers, but I'm sure you meant, "How many more MEN". I think when you join the service and are uniformed and in battle, you are no longer a kid but a grown man. But yes, they should be brought home as soon as possible but with honor. How to do that seems to be very elusive (including me).
K2WH
http://www.history.army.mil/faq/FAQ-FemGO.htm
http://www.history.army.mil/faq/13_Hays.jpg
Okay. Whatever. If what you say is true, someone has got a lot of 'splainin' to do.
WH-
The US dishonored itself when it let Bush invade a country that was not a threat to anyone and waved flags and cheered about it. That lost honor can't be reclaimed no matter how the retreat is orchestrated.
There really is no way to honorably disengage yourself from a dishonorable conflict.
The troops are dishonored by being forced to participate in a war of aggression. There is no honor to be had in wars of choice.
Just bring them home and get it over with, at least the troops still alive will get to continue living.
N4VGB
03-24-2008, 06:17 PM
The average US soldier believes Iraq was involved in 9/11 and has WMD.
What the boots on the ground think is what their commanders tell them to think.
What an "elitist" attitude! You actually believe that our troops are stupid? You actually believe that only officers have functioning brains?
If officers had better functioning brains, we'd all be better off!
What an "elitist" attitude! You actually believe that our troops are stupid? You actually believe that only officers have functioning brains?
If officers had better functioning brains, we'd all be better off!
Not elitist in the least, the troops were asked and that is what they told.
It is what they believe and what they are told by their commanders, and being soldiers it is not in their nature to question their commanders.
I was a soldier once, I understand the pressure to believe what you are told by your chain of command.
My statement is accurate, sorry if you don't like it but your distaste does not change the facts of the situation:
The soldiers on the ground believe Saddam worked with al Qaida, helped on 9/11 and that somewhere hidden there are WMD in Iraq.
They believe this because their commander in chief tells them it is so.
Attacking me does not change that.
What an "elitist" attitude! You actually believe that our troops are stupid? You actually believe that only officers have functioning brains?
If officers had better functioning brains, we'd all be better off!
Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
I love it when people say "You can't speak the truth because it... it... might hurt my feelings." Waaaah.
Who said the troops are stupid? I understand you saying that this is an "elitist attitude" because anything with truth in it requires research and thought, and you believe only the elite are smart enough to do that.