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Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, March 21, 2008
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. On Friday morning, McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% (see recent daily results). New polling from Minnesota shows a very close race in the Land of 10,000 Lakes. With those new poll results, Minnesota moves from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator.
On Friday morning, Obama was given a 41% chance of becoming the next President while McCain was given a 40% chance. That’s a big change since the beginning of the month when Obama was given a 58% chance of winning while expectations for McCain were at 36%. The bottom line is that March has been a very good month for John McCain. But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House, that requires a good day in November. There is at least one major issue standing between McCain and a victory celebration in November.
Several issues have drawn attention this week and Rasmussen Reports has taken a look at three of them: Where Things Stand on the fifth anniversary of the War in Iraq, the impact of Pastor Wright and Obama’s speech, and the Declining Economy and Election 2008. A Reuters video takes a look at another issue that may also have a big impact this election season—the Supreme Court's upcoming decision on the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.
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Despite McCain's lack of press, he's gaining strength. He's continuing to win over independents and undecideds.
The tide is turning... watch the trend as the Left's dirty laundry is aired.
73.
W3MIV
03-21-2008, 10:02 PM
The tide is turning... watch the trend as the Left's dirty laundry is aired.
73.
More whistling past the graveyard.
More whistling past the graveyard.
A graveyard pre-dug for washed-up Democratic candidates -- all of whom cannot withstand the long, drawn-out vetting processes taking place now and during the general election.
Cheerio.
More whistling past the graveyard.
A trick learned by Democrats for the past 7.2 years and are re-learning today.
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, March 21, 2008
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. On Friday morning, McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% (see recent daily results). New polling from Minnesota shows a very close race in the Land of 10,000 Lakes. With those new poll results, Minnesota moves from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic in the Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator.
On Friday morning, Obama was given a 41% chance of becoming the next President while McCain was given a 40% chance. That’s a big change since the beginning of the month when Obama was given a 58% chance of winning while expectations for McCain were at 36%. The bottom line is that March has been a very good month for John McCain. But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House, that requires a good day in November. There is at least one major issue standing between McCain and a victory celebration in November.
Several issues have drawn attention this week and Rasmussen Reports has taken a look at three of them: Where Things Stand on the fifth anniversary of the War in Iraq, the impact of Pastor Wright and Obama’s speech, and the Declining Economy and Election 2008. A Reuters video takes a look at another issue that may also have a big impact this election season—the Supreme Court's upcoming decision on the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms.
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Despite McCain's lack of press, he's gaining strength. He's continuing to win over independents and undecideds.
The tide is turning... watch the trend as the Left's dirty laundry is aired.
73.
Another clueless post from the uninformed Republican spinmeister, none other than Frozen Steve.
Anyone with a brain, even your right wing addled brain, knows polls this far out from the election don't mean squat.
George Allen had a 30 point lead in Virginia at this point in the cycle and ended up losing his Senate race.
Michael Dukakis had a 17 point lead in the summer of 1988 and got stomped in November.
Spinning the Rasmussen poll as a "move toward Republicanism" proves that you do nothing but spend your time clicking your little ruby red shoes together saying "There's no President like a Republican". "There's no President like a Republican".
If McCain has these poll numbers on October 31, 2008, then maybe your comments wouldn't be spin. Right now, they're just empty words and partisan fluff.
If this stuff makes you feel better, go nuts. Otherwise get with reality and realize this will be a close race and many people won't lock in on a candidate until the very end, unless either side does something really stupid. The feeble pathetic attempts by right wing partisans to slam Obama have failed and will continue to fail. You guys can't even unite behind your own candidate, let alone draw Democrats or independents!
Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA
that's a DUPE, station...
The only reason that it's turning Republican is because the feminists can't stand to see Hillary lose, so they're spiting Obama by voting for McCain.
KB9YCO
03-22-2008, 04:36 AM
Hmm, I don't see how that's a very scientific study since you are comparing two undecided nominees against one that has already been nominated. The Democrats are still deciding so how can you have a poll comparing two to one of another party?
Either way, anyone that thinks this won't be a close election is in my opinion dreaming. If the history of the last 4 or 5 presidential elections is any determination it will be close. That last two presidential elections were almost 50/50 as far as overall opinion in the country went, damn close in the vote. Don't fool yourself into thinking either one will have an easy run. One of the two parties/candidates will have to really blunder majorly for there to be an out and out landslide.
Regardless of what your political and ideological leanings are we have a system that is these days largely based on revenue, propaganda, and capitalizing on fear and polarization. Enjoy!
Another desperate post, by another desperate NeoKon, on another day filled with desperation. Especially since they don't even have a horse in the race. I suppose that's what you do when the Republican Party you FUBAR'd throws you under the bus.
I'm lovin' it!
:D
Another clueless post from the uninformed Republican spinmeister, none other than Frozen Steve.
Anyone with a brain, even your right wing addled brain, knows polls this far out from the election don't mean squat.
George Allen had a 30 point lead in Virginia at this point in the cycle and ended up losing his Senate race.
Michael Dukakis had a 17 point lead in the summer of 1988 and got stomped in November.
Spinning the Rasmussen poll as a "move toward Republicanism" proves that you do nothing but spend your time clicking your little ruby red shoes together saying "There's no President like a Republican". "There's no President like a Republican".
If McCain has these poll numbers on October 31, 2008, then maybe your comments wouldn't be spin. Right now, they're just empty words and partisan fluff.
If this stuff makes you feel better, go nuts. Otherwise get with reality and realize this will be a close race and many people won't lock in on a candidate until the very end, unless either side does something really stupid. The feeble pathetic attempts by right wing partisans to slam Obama have failed and will continue to fail. You guys can't even unite behind your own candidate, let alone draw Democrats or independents!
Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA
You've been sitting in the sun too long...
Davey -- watch, see, and learn. The democratic candidates can't stand the heat of scrutiny. Your Barry O, the Hollow Suit, has dropped just shy of 20 points with supporters over the past week or so. In just these latest days, the Clinton's won't release all their Clinton library records -- why? She won't release her tax records till the interestingly timed April 15th. Some things to hide methinks.
Both Dumbocrat candidates are fatally flawed. The continuing process will draw out these failings. Shall I point out the reasons why? Foremost, will be the issues... such as both being desirous of increasing federal taxes immensely. Such a move during quiestionable economic times, when families can least afford it, is political suicide. Best of luck to them. For them, it all about power and the expansion of government, raised taxes, and the belief in the Nanny State theory -- that government knows best, the people do not.
BTW, since you live in California, did you pay your fair share of local, state, and federal taxes this year? Just asking... Wanna pay more? Just continue to live there! OTOH, our Alaska Permanent Fund Dividends go up drastically this year due to recent market forces -- most likely $2,000.00 per person -- that's $10,000.00 of extra income my family receives as a "negative tax" incentive -- more than enough to offset the Dumbocrat's refusal to make permanent Bush's Tax Cuts. Who's sittin' purdy now? What does California give you? Or, should I ask, how much can you stand democratic California taking from you?
Remember, Alaska's subsurface wealth belongs to all Alaskans -- less so to the State of Alaska government (how radical is that). Hence, the ever growing Permanent Fund, through yearly state legislature allocations that exceed inflation-proofing, and it's yearly dispersed Dividends to qualified Alaskans.
Toodles.
kg6amw
03-22-2008, 02:50 PM
Too soon to say, but there has been a fair amount of scratching, crapping and hair pulling going on the democratic side that has done some damage. A recent poll revealed that up to 20% of democrats will end up voting for McCain if their candidate is not selected to run in the fall. Two questions remain, how long will the Wright issue carry on and will there be blow back from the Rezko trail that will make public the insider deal that Rezko made with Obama on his home. It may have been legal, but it doesn’t pass the smell test for honesty. If both issues carry on through the spring, Obama is toast. If both issues are quickly cleaned up, he will likely regain momentum.
Yeh, McCain's numbers went up, he's picking up the Ron Paul Racist vote.
And Fox Is doing the same with their typical bitch. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/21/kilmeade-storms-off-fox-and-friends-set-over-co-hosts-obama-bashing/)
w2amr
03-22-2008, 05:34 PM
Yeh, McCain's numbers went up, he's picking up the Ron Paul Racist vote.
And Fox Is doing the same with their typical bitch. (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/21/kilmeade-storms-off-fox-and-friends-set-over-co-hosts-obama-bashing/)
Race baiters
AE6IP
03-22-2008, 05:40 PM
The 'tide change' has nothing to do with the qualifications of any of the candidates.
Any time one party has a nominee with no competition while the other party has a contest the solo nominee looks better in the polls until after the other party selects.
Under those circumstances, McCain's lead is so shallow that his camp should be worried about it.
n2ize
03-22-2008, 05:54 PM
The 'tide change' has nothing to do with the qualifications of any of the candidates.
Any time one party has a nominee with no competition while the other party has a contest the solo nominee looks better in the polls until after the other party selects.
Under those circumstances, McCain's lead is so shallow that his camp should be worried about it.
Considering those circumstances, plus the fact that noone has been officially nominated and the election is far off, yet the conservatives will take these rather narrow poll margins and depict them as an obvious victory. In essence the polls have taken on a significance. Yet you can have a poll close to election time showing a much wider difference and these same conservatives will argue that the polls are innacurate, meaningless, and insignificant if they show a candidate they don't like being in the lead.
It's much like the way the cons dismissed the Hopkins study about the number of Iraqi's that were killed. They dismissed the study as innacurate and said the methodoilogy is flawed despite the fact that the methodology used is a bona fide statistical survey tachnique and the same methodology that our own military uses when determining civilian war casualties.
It's funny how good math becomes bad math when it doesn't give the results the conservatives want. It's sort of like saying 1 + 1 = 2 IF AND ONLY IF I want it to equal 2.
Race baiters
Conservative radio is blowing to the racist dog whistle to round up the pickup driving, beer drinking, Christian on Sunday, deer hunting, Hispanic and black Americans do not belong on the job site construction types that may have sat out a McCain versus Obama general election.
AE6IP
03-23-2008, 06:06 AM
Well, here it is a day later, and I don't see any of McCain's fans or Obama's detractors trumpeting Rasumussen. I wonder if it good have anything to do with:
Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 79.5 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 20.3 %.
or maybe
March has been a good month for John McCain. But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House, that requires a good day in November.
Saturday, March 22, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results). While the national polls remain close, Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 79.5 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 20.2 %.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 43% (see recent daily results). New polling shows McCain leading both Democrats in Georgia and Arkansas. In Minnesota, the race is very close.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
The 'tide change' has nothing to do with the qualifications of any of the candidates.
Any time one party has a nominee with no competition while the other party has a contest the solo nominee looks better in the polls until after the other party selects.
Under those circumstances, McCain's lead is so shallow that his camp should be worried about it.
McCain is biding his time till the General Election. Let the Dems duke it out; it only hurts them -- the ongoing vetting of dem candidates, what little is accomplished given the biased media, only helps McCain's camp devise strategy for later.
Toodles.
Nice non analysis Steve.
Yo do know that your Republicans policies have reduced the US to Europe's Mexico (they are sending over their car plants for cheaper labor). It has also destroyed the dollar. And it has set you on a crash course with a SEVERE recession if not outright depression within the next 6 months.
But here you are yelling about tax cuts.
Very short sighted Steve. Extremely uninformed.
Not good for Barry and company.
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/very_bad_poll_news_for_obama_a.html
Right, compare a split Democratic electorate to a finalized Republican candidate.
Getting desperate so early?
k0ews
03-23-2008, 02:35 PM
Two things.
1. Rasmussen is the most accurate political pollster working. He called the 2004 election dead on and did very well in 06 as well. He's not one to lean either way. All in all, his polls have been very accurate.
2. It's early. Democrats have not got any time to unite behind anyone right now. The Republicans have warmed up to McCain, over time. They now realize they'd much have a McCain Presidency rather than an Clinton or Obama one. There are dissenters within the party, but for the most part, that number reflects growing unity among Republicans.
I fully expect that number to change drastically when the Dems get a nominee and running mate. I was on a CNN message board the other day, and could not believe the number of voters in the democratic party that posted that if their candidate didn't get it, they'd go with McCain. I fully expect that number to change and the Dems to unify once their campaign is settled.
So, while I do like the job Rasmussen does in polling and tracking, I think even he would agree that it is really, really early. I wouldn't even bother looking at a national number until after Labor Day.
Saturday, March 22, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. Before the story broke about his former Pastor, Obama led Clinton by eight percentage points (see recent daily results). While the national polls remain close, Rasmussen Markets data gives Obama a 79.5 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 20.2 %.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 43% (see recent daily results). New polling shows McCain leading both Democrats in Georgia and Arkansas. In Minnesota, the race is very close.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Typical Frozen Steve and brain dead right wing zealot response.
When faced by logic and facts, just repeat yourself.
You are hopeless...
Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA
AE6IP
03-23-2008, 04:18 PM
McCain is biding his time till the General Election. Let the Dems duke it out; it only hurts them -- the ongoing vetting of dem candidates, what little is accomplished given the biased media, only helps McCain's camp devise strategy for later.
Very good. You've got the 'common wisdom' down pat.
Except you forgot the part that consequently, any 'head-to-head' poll between McCain and either of the Democrats is meaningless.
McCain's position is a two edged sword, which is why the Democrats, who so often do this to themselves, still manage to win presidencies away from Republicans who don't have to deal with the 'home stretch' race.
While McCain's camp has time to devise strategy, it will be against already fought-out issues. Meanwhile McCain's camp looses momentum through inertia. This has been a surprisingly effective way for Republicans to give away elections they should have won.
But then, that's why you keep ignoring that Rasmussen has either democrat ahead of McCain in the electoral college count.
Typical Frozen Steve and brain dead right wing zealot response.
When faced by logic and facts, just repeat yourself.
You are hopeless...
Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA
Yes haven't you heard Dave? If you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth!
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Joseph Goebbels
"A lie told often enough becomes truth."
~ Lenin, Marxist
The broad mass of a nation .. .will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
Only constant repitition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on the memory of the crowd.
The gretaer the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed.
Adolph Hitler in Mein Kampf
I'm certain Irving Kristol would be proud.
w2amr
03-23-2008, 05:04 PM
Very good. You've got the 'common wisdom' down pat.
Except you forgot the part that consequently, any 'head-to-head' poll between McCain and either of the Democrats is meaningless.
McCain's position is a two edged sword, which is why the Democrats, who so often do this to themselves, still manage to win presidencies away from Republicans who don't have to deal with the 'home stretch' race.
While McCain's camp has time to devise strategy, it will be against already fought-out issues. Meanwhile McCain's camp looses momentum through inertia. This has been a surprisingly effective way for Republicans to give away elections they should have won.
But then, that's why you keep ignoring that Rasmussen has either democrat ahead of McCain in the electoral college count.
Don't forget this cross McCain has to bear, and it will prove to be very heavy.
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/apr_bush_mccain_070425_ms.jpg
Could you Supersize my delegates??
http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120631654451858227.html
Monday, March 24, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows ongoing volatility in the Democratic Presidential Nomination. Nationally, Hillary Clinton now holds a very slight advantage over Barack Obama, 46% to 44%. For the past week-and-a-half, Obama’s support has been between 44% and 47% every day. Clinton’s support has ranged from 42% to 46% (see recent daily results). In discussing the Pennsylvania Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 50% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 42% (see recent daily results). New polling shows McCain narrowly behind both Democrats in Nevada while McCain has a solid lead over both in North Carolina. March has been a good month for John McCain. But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House, that requires a good day in November. There is at least one major issue standing between McCain and a victory celebration in November.
On Monday, McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 42%. Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 42% favorable, 55% unfavorable (see recent daily results).
Ref: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
KB9YCO
03-25-2008, 12:11 AM
Both Dumbocrat candidates are fatally flawed. The continuing process will draw out these failings. Shall I point out the reasons why? Foremost, will be the issues... such as both being desirous of increasing federal taxes immensely. Such a move during quiestionable economic times, when families can least afford it, is political suicide. Best of luck to them. For them, it all about power and the expansion of government, raised taxes, and the belief in the Nanny State theory -- that government knows best, the people do not.
First of all let me point out that I am not partisan and do not pledge any allegiance to either party. That being said I have to point out that the so-called "raising of taxes" that we hear about is not really raising taxes, it's returning them to the level they were at before the current administration. In my opinion they are, and were, still too high, and we still pay way too much in taxes in this country, that's been pretty much true under all the administrations of the last 30 years or so.
Also, both parties, while they claim otherwise, are all about creating more laws, more government, and more intervention into our lives. Anyone with any objectivity whatsoever can see it as clear as day. They may happen to choose different ideological "topics" to be overly-concerned about and force onto us, but they all do it, it's called job security. Bureaucracies DO NOT get smaller, and this country over the last half a century or so has been run like a growing business. Maybe more like a growing (and heartless to the average person) corporation. There are agendas at play here that most of us probably have zero clue about, most of them having to do with international finance and military power plays, i.e. the "military-industrial complex" concept that Eisenhower spoke of. Well, he at least coined the phrase, it really isn't a new concept to think that allowing business and military might over any other concerns might just be a bad idea.
Lastly, I think ALL of the presidential candidates are fatally flawed (though obviously one will have to win) since they continually show what their true agendas are, again having more to do with money and power than anything else. About the only thing I can say about Obama is that he at least isn't a completely corrupted political insider (yet) so perhaps all this "breath of fresh air" and "time for change" stuff just may be true with him. Whether or not he's really qualified to hold the office in another story, though I don't think the last few president's were qualified or even competent. In other words we could probably do a lot worse than what we've had the last few times.
ad4mg
03-25-2008, 12:15 AM
Don't ever throw frozen Steve a harsh dose of reality like that after he obviously spent quite a bit of time spinning those poll numbers.
He has a bear and a family to take care of. Have a little humanity, man!
:D
KF0RT
03-25-2008, 12:35 AM
First of all let me point out that I am not partisan and do not pledge any allegiance to either party. That being said I have to point out that the so-called "raising of taxes" that we hear about is not really raising taxes, it's returning them to the level they were at before the current administration. In my opinion they are, and were, still too high, and we still pay way too much in taxes in this country, that's been pretty much true under all the administrations of the last 30 years or so.
Also, both parties, while they claim otherwise, are all about creating more laws, more government, and more intervention into our lives. Anyone with any objectivity whatsoever can see it as clear as day. They may happen to choose different ideological "topics" to be overly-concerned about and force onto us, but they all do it, it's called job security. Bureaucracies DO NOT get smaller, and this country over the last half a century or so has been run like a growing business. Maybe more like a growing (and heartless to the average person) corporation. There are agendas at play here that most of us probably have zero clue about, most of them having to do with international finance and military power plays, i.e. the "military-industrial complex" concept that Eisenhower spoke of. Well, he at least coined the phrase, it really isn't a new concept to think that allowing business and military might over any other concerns might just be a bad idea.
Lastly, I think ALL of the presidential candidates are fatally flawed (though obviously one will have to win) since they continually show what their true agendas are, again having more to do with money and power than anything else. About the only thing I can say about Obama is that he at least isn't a completely corrupted political insider (yet) so perhaps all this "breath of fresh air" and "time for change" stuff just may be true with him. Whether or not he's really qualified to hold the office in another story, though I don't think the last few president's were qualified or even competent. In other words we could probably do a lot worse than what we've had the last few times.
I have a theory... It seems to apply to the Zedders more than the population at large, but the theory is that the world resembles a football game and you're only allowed to "root" for one team. The middle ground is disallowed and you must be fully for one side or the other. Improving society isn't part of the equation, but "who wins" is everything and being on the "winning team" is orgasmic.
We're our own worst enemy. I wonder if this is because of the TV culture that started in the 1950's. You DO know that if you let the government do ANYTHING, this makes you a de facto communist, right?
Good call, Brett. You've always been one of the few here with a clue.
-rt
K0RGR
03-25-2008, 12:37 AM
I just read this morning that one of McCain's top advisers is former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, a man who proudly proclaimed that he repeated three grades in school, and but made up for it with hard work. His wife was elected a director at Enron, after she had used her position in the federal government to get Enron an exemption from fedreral oversight!!!! Gramm , himself, pushed that exemption into federal law as a Senator.
You don't have to scratch a Republican candidate very hard before the stench of corporate ownership starts to leak out. McCain won't stand up to scrutiny, either! He surrounds himself with the same bunch of crooks as W.
I just read this morning that one of McCain's top advisers is former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, a man who proudly proclaimed that he repeated three grades in school, and but made up for it with hard work. His wife was elected a director at Enron, after she had used her position in the federal government to get Enron an exemption from fedreral oversight!!!! Gramm , himself, pushed that exemption into federal law as a Senator.
You don't have to scratch a Republican candidate very hard before the stench of corporate ownership starts to leak out. McCain won't stand up to scrutiny, either! He surrounds himself with the same bunch of crooks as W.
Oh, my! Friends of friends of friends...
The typical six degrees of separation applies to the everyone I know. You think the Democrat candidates' friends are different? What a laugh!
Keep 'em coming...
Don't ever throw frozen Steve a harsh dose of reality like that after he obviously spent quite a bit of time spinning those poll numbers.
He has a bear and a family to take care of. Have a little humanity, man!
:D
Give us the "facts" my Man!
Lay 'em on us.
Tell us how Rasmussen spins...
Toodles.
n2ize
03-25-2008, 01:02 AM
[QUOTE=NL7W;1176217]Give us the "facts" my Man!
Lay 'em on us.
Tell us how Rasmussen spins...
Toodles.[/QUOT
Both Rasmussen and Zogby are excellent. They don't spin because they have a reputation to maintain. However, one must be careful not to assume meaning to a poll that may not be there. The results you see now can change dramatically once the demi's pick a candidate.
[QUOTE=NL7W;1176217]Give us the "facts" my Man!
Lay 'em on us.
Tell us how Rasmussen spins...
Toodles.[/QUOT
Both Rasmussen and Zogby are excellent. They don't spin because they have a reputation to maintain. However, one must be careful not to assume meaning to a poll that may not be there. The results you see now can change dramatically once the demi's pick a candidate.
Maybe... maybe not.
It depends on the future. Past to present indicates a trend towards McCain.
More whistling past the graveyard.
Very well put ! ! ! The tide is turning... watch the trend as the Left's dirty laundry is aired
I mean
A graveyard pre-dug for washed-up Democratic candidates -- all of whom cannot withstand the long, drawn-out vetting processes taking place now and during the general election.
Cheerio.
Great statement, I really, really like that !
N4VGB
03-25-2008, 02:46 AM
Also, both parties, while they claim otherwise, are all about creating more laws, more government, and more intervention into our lives. Anyone with any objectivity whatsoever can see it as clear as day.
Demand mo money, demand mo protection, demand mo safety, demand yo rights and you get mo Givmint!
Milk cow teets get big as !@#$ from all the milking going on, milk that GivMint and it swells up also.
ab1ga
03-25-2008, 01:32 PM
[QUOTE=n2ize;1176232
Both Rasmussen and Zogby are excellent. They don't spin because they have a reputation to maintain. However, one must be careful not to assume meaning to a poll that may not be there. The results you see now can change dramatically once the demi's pick a candidate.[/QUOTE]
And the meaning of telephone polls is increasingly suspect, as even Zogby admitted a couple of years ago. Seems that answering machines are being used to screen out pollsters as well as telemarketers, and the randomness of the collected samples is suffering. I remember when the big network overnight polls cited 3% error; I believe the standard is now 4%.
At the rate things are going, maybe Dewey will beat Truman after all! :)
Makes me go, "Hmm!" Obama's dropping like a rock...
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Tuesday, March 25, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 50% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 48% to 43% (see recent daily results).
McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 42%. Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 45% favorable, 52% unfavorable (see recent daily results). A Rasmussen Reports video examines which candidates voters trust more on issues such as privacy, the environment, abortion, Social Security, and the War on Terror.
In the Democratic Presidential Nomination, it’s Clinton 46%, Obama 43%. For the past week-and-a-half, Obama’s support has been between 43% and 47% every day. Clinton’s support has ranged from 42% to 46% (see recent daily results). New polling data from Pennsylvania shows Clinton with a ten-point late in the Keystone State’s April 22 Primary. In discussing that Primary, Governor Ed Rendell indicates that the Clinton campaign is ready to keep fighting to the end of the primaries and beyond.
The division in the Democratic Party is highlighted by the fact that just 71% of Democratic Primary voters now say they will vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election campaign. If Barack Obama is nominated, 64% of Democratic Primary voters are ready to vote for him. The way in which the Democratic Nomination is resolved will ultimately determine whether the nominee will enjoy stronger support from the party’s base.
Clinton is currently viewed favorably by 74% of Democrats nationwide, Obama by 67%. By way of comparison, McCain is viewed favorably by 83% of Republicans.
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Makes me go, "Hmm!" Obama's dropping like a rock...
...
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Yeah! An awful lot like McCain's campaign last summer.
Clinton's misspeaking now makes things even... let 'em duke it out.
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Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows a tie in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Clinton 45%, Obama 45%. Since Obama’s speech on race and national unity, Obama’s support has been within two percentage points of 45% every day. Clinton’s support has been within two percentage points of 44% every day (see recent daily results). New polling data released today shows that 22% of Democrats want Clinton to drop out of the race. An identical percentage want Obama to withdraw.
Most Democrats now say it is Very Likely the fight for the nomination will remain unresolved until the convention in August. A commentary by Susan Estrich looks at Democratic Party rules and notes that delegates are not robots.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 51% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 50% to 43% (see recent daily results). New polling released today shows that McCain has opened a significant lead over both Democrats in Missouri. No matter how you look at it, March has been a good month for John McCain. But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House. That requires a good day in November and there is at least one major issue standing between McCain and a victory celebration in November.
Ref: http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
AE6IP
03-27-2008, 12:36 AM
But, a Rasmussen Reports video notes that a good month of March doesn’t get you to the White House. That requires a good day in November and there is at least one major issue standing between McCain and a victory celebration in November.
Obama holding steady against Clinton at this point extrapolates to his winning the nomination. She understands this, which is why she's making stuff up.
Get back to us after the real campaign starts and we'll chat about Obama's lead over McCain at that point.
Recent polls, including Rasmussen and Gallup, are suggesting that many Democrats would vote for John McCain in next November's election -- if he is running against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination.
According to Rasmussen, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have begun to "melt down" in the crucible of an increasingly "nasty primary fight." McCain leads Hillary by seven and Obama by nine,
According to Gallup, more than a quarter of Hillary supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Says the Gallup Website, these predictions are based on an analysis of Democratic voters' responses to separate voting questions in March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking.
Almost all Democratic voters who say they support Obama for their party's nomination also say they would vote for him in a general election matchup against McCain. But only 59 percent of Democratic voters who support Clinton say they would vote for Obama against McCain -- while 28 percent say they would vote for McCain.
Furthermore, says Gallup, almost all of those who support Clinton for the Democratic nomination say they would vote for her against McCain. Seventy-two percent of those who support Obama for the party's nomination would vote for Clinton against McCain, while 19 percent would desert and vote for the Republican.
The polls also suggest that the Democratic nomination battle could have a negative impact for the Democratic Party in next November's election. A not insignificant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if he ends up running against the candidate they do not support, according to Gallup.
For more:
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/Polls_Democrats_McCain/2008/03/26/83310.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1713490,00.html
Recent polls, including Rasmussen and Gallup, are suggesting that many Democrats would vote for John McCain in next November's election -- if he is running against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination.
According to Rasmussen, both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have begun to "melt down" in the crucible of an increasingly "nasty primary fight." McCain leads Hillary by seven and Obama by nine,
According to Gallup, more than a quarter of Hillary supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.
Says the Gallup Website, these predictions are based on an analysis of Democratic voters' responses to separate voting questions in March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking.
Almost all Democratic voters who say they support Obama for their party's nomination also say they would vote for him in a general election matchup against McCain. But only 59 percent of Democratic voters who support Clinton say they would vote for Obama against McCain -- while 28 percent say they would vote for McCain.
Furthermore, says Gallup, almost all of those who support Clinton for the Democratic nomination say they would vote for her against McCain. Seventy-two percent of those who support Obama for the party's nomination would vote for Clinton against McCain, while 19 percent would desert and vote for the Republican.
The polls also suggest that the Democratic nomination battle could have a negative impact for the Democratic Party in next November's election. A not insignificant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if he ends up running against the candidate they do not support, according to Gallup.
For more:
http://newsmax.com/insidecover/Polls_Democrats_McCain/2008/03/26/83310.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1713490,00.html
You still here?
You need to stop spinning long enough to look at the calendar and see the election is a long way off.
Your silly posts mean absolutely nada right now, but if it amuses your simple little mind, go nuts...
You still here?
You need to stop spinning long enough to look at the calendar and see the election is a long way off.
Your silly posts mean absolutely nada right now, but if it amuses your simple little mind, go nuts...
Thanks. I will.
It'll go on through... November -- the Republican leaning trend that is. Get used to it -- your party is tearing itself apart.
Toodles.
AE6IP
03-27-2008, 05:20 AM
Recent polls, including Rasmussen and Gallup, are suggesting that many Democrats would vote for John McCain in next November's election -- if he is running against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination.
Just like all those conservatives who would never vote for McCain.
You keep holding onto those polls, Steve. They're all you're gonna have left, come November.
KB1QBW
03-27-2008, 12:15 PM
Just like all those conservatives who would never vote for McCain.
You keep holding onto those polls, Steve. They're all you're gonna have left, come November.
Yeah that...
and another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. If you can call him that.
Thursday, March 27, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday continues to show a very close competition in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Clinton 46%, Obama 44%. Since Obama’s speech on race and national unity, Obama’s support has been within two percentage points of 45% every day. Clinton’s support has been within two percentage points of 44% every day (see recent daily results). New polling data released today shows that Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats aren’t ready for either candidate to drop out of the race.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 51% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 51% to 41% (see recent daily results). McCain is now viewed favorably by 56% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 41%. Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 44% favorable, 54% unfavorable (see recent daily results).
McCain leads both Democrats by 10% -- outside the margin error. The trend continues.
Ref: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
n2ize
03-28-2008, 03:37 AM
Good. So if those polls are correct and if they represent the election in 2009 then all it will mean is that the USA will elect yet another war mongering incompetant lunatic who will further tear the country apart,make the country more hated in the eyes of the world , bring the country that much furtherninto its economic and social demise and bring misery to a head that much sooner.
W4DFW
03-28-2008, 03:42 AM
Good. So if those polls are correct and if they represent the election in 2009 then all it will mean is that the USA will elect yet another war mongering incompetant lunatic who will further tear the country apart,make the country more hated in the eyes of the world , bring the country that much furtherninto its economic and social demise and bring misery to a head that much sooner.
You speak as if that's a bad thing!
PS: You *STILL* love that tree, in spite of what nature has done to you?
k8wpj
03-28-2008, 04:07 AM
I am sorry, but Bush and his crew have done more to singlehandedly foul things up for the Republican party over the last 8 years, I honestly don;t see how anyone could ever consider voting republican in this election...
ask yourself this- are you better off now than you were in 2000?
My house is worth less,
My carreer is in the dumpster, I went from 40 hours a week making 45K to 60-80 hours a week making 30K, to contracting and consulting, and sitting home most of the time. I make less than a third of what I did, and put in half the hours because the work wasn't there.
Ultimately it caused me to leave the workforce altogether because of poor health.
Our 401Ks are worth less,
Umemployment is up,
gas prices are up,
and the governmemt has turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit since WWII,
and finally we're engaged in a war in 2 countries, that cost billions of dollars a day, costs thousands of lives, and seems to be going nowhere.
What exactly is the upside to the Bush presidency?
Because of this, I think the Dems have a real shot to get Obama in the big house....
You speak as if that's a bad thing!
PS: You *STILL* love that tree, in spite of what nature has done to you?
How completely unpatriotic and unAmerican of you to wish the total demise of the US and what it used to stand for!
For shame!
I am sorry, but Bush and his crew have done more to singlehandedly foul things up for the Republican party over the last 8 years, I honestly don;t see how anyone could ever consider voting republican in this election...
ask yourself this- are you better off now than you were in 2000?
My house is worth less,
My career is in the dumpster, I went from 40 hours a week making 45K to 60-80 hours a week making 30K, to contracting and consulting, and sitting home most of the time. I make less than a third of what I did, and put in half the hours because the work wasn't there.
Ultimately it caused me to leave the workforce altogether because of poor health.
Our 401Ks are worth less,
Unemployment is up,
gas prices are up,
and the government has turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit since WWII,
and finally we're engaged in a war in 2 countries, that cost billions of dollars a day, costs thousands of lives, and seems to be going nowhere.
What exactly is the upside to the Bush presidency?
Because of this, I think the Dems have a real shot to get Obama in the big house....
Maybe I have offset you?
I am contracting and consulting in the telecom business, and I AM better off than I was 4 or 8 years ago. Just in the last 3 years, my pay is up 25%. That is not chump change.
BTW, my not having to drive to work, sitting in my home office telecommuting, has saved me thousands of dollars -- where my commute clocked in at over 100 miles per day, driving into and out of Anchorage.
I love America.
Thanks for the input...
w2amr
03-28-2008, 10:02 AM
Maybe I have offset you?
I am contracting and consulting in the telecom business, and I AM better off than I was 4 or 8 years ago. Just in the last 3 years, my pay is up 25%. That is not chump change.
Thanks for the input...
That's one. What about the rest of it?
That's one. What about the rest of it?
His situation... yours, mine, and others vary. Please don't cast wide dispersions like he is.
At the end of the day, the respected polls tell us where we are at -- a snapshot if you will. And over time, indicate trends. The future is just that -- the future.
Maybe I have offset you?
I am contracting and consulting in the telecom business, and I AM better off than I was 4 or 8 years ago. Just in the last 3 years, my pay is up 25%. That is not chump change.
BTW, my not having to drive to work, sitting in my home office telecommuting, has saved me thousands of dollars -- where my commute clocked in at over 100 miles per day, driving into and out of Anchorage.
I love America.
Thanks for the input...
I am a systems engineer for big financials, Bush and Co have put the freeze on our income. The economy stinks so bad that I just started making what I made before GW took office.
You're a consultant no?
Then your take is not even close to what other Americans are experiencing.
Try this on:
Construction? Out of work.
Retail? Closing down.
Food service? Closing down.
Manufacturing? Stop it, your killing me! What do we make anymore anyway?
Call centers? India and China.
Technology? China and India.
Car manufacture? The US is Europes new Mexico there.
Wages stagnant or down, inflation is up and joblessness matches Bush Sr's reign of terror. That is from Government stats Steve, I don't just make this stuff up.
Don't be so narcissitic as to believe you are even close to representative of the rest of the country.
I am a systems engineer for big financials, Bush and Co have put the freeze on our income. The economy stinks so bad that I just started making what I made before GW took office.
You're a consultant no?
Then your take is not even close to what other Americans are experiencing.
Try this on:
Construction? Out of work.
Retail? Closing down.
Food service? Closing down.
Manufacturing? Stop it, your killing me! What do we make anymore anyway?
Call centers? India and China.
Technology? China and India.
Car manufacture? The US is Europes new Mexico there.
Wages stagnant or down, inflation is up and joblessness matches Bush Sr's reign of terror. That is from Government stats Steve, I don't just make this stuff up.
Don't be so narcissitic as to believe you are even close to representative of the rest of the country.
Construction, food service, and related industries are booming here in Alaska. Come here, construction jobs abound -- the unions are crying for people -- and television advertisements for young people to join labor are numerous, for the public to learn the trades.
I'm in the telecom / technology biz, and it is also doing well. I'm not hurting -- I go where the jobs are.
Our state's oil output is down because the Libs and Greenies won't let us drill for more, but price per barrel is high, offsetting low production. Alaska's mining industry is booming -- given the prices for gold, gems, and other metals. Again, the Libs and Greenies are trying to shut that industry down, with it's currently deceptive "Alaska Mining Initiative."
In reality, any industry the exploits the inherent real wealth of Alaska, and the United States, is off-limits to the Libs/Greenies. Now, take this "not-in-my-backyard" mentality and their resorting to importing real, tangible assets from other countries, like we are doing now, decimates America's advantage, moving our wealth overseas. I suppose that's what the Libs' really want.
It'll be good in the "last frontier" until the Libs/Greenies lock-up every decent natural resource money-making opportunity -- the engine that drives our economy here. For example, they've won the battle with the logging industry in SE Alaska. It's pretty much shut down -- causing massive unemployment for indigenous peoples of the area and long-time Alaskan loggers. Just before they lock up opportunity, I'll retire and move back to the Upper Midwest -- that flyover country you Coastie Snobs call it -- where retirement is cheap, the pace is slow to moderate, and people have their heads screwed on straight.
Regarding call centers and factories... you wanna work in one? Didn't think so... how many do?
Toodles.
Construction, food service, and related industries are booming here in Alaska. Come here, construction jobs abound -- the unions are crying for people -- and television advertisements for young people to join labor are numerous, for the public to learn the trades.
I'm in the telecom / technology biz, and it is also doing well. Our state's oil output is down because the Libs and Greenies won't let us drill for more, but price per barrel is high, offsetting low production. Alaska's mining industry is booming -- given the prices for gold, gems, and other metals. Again, the Libs and Greenies are trying to shut that industry down, with it's currently deceptive "Alaska Mining Initiative."
In reality, any industry the exploits the inherent real wealth of Alaska, and the United States, is off-limits to the Libs/Greenies. Now, take this "not-in-my-backyard" mentality and their resorting to importing real, tangible assets from other countries, like we are doing now, decimates America's advantage. I suppose that's what the Libs' really want.
It'll be good in the "last frontier" until the Libs/Greenies lock-up every decent natural resource money-making opportunity -- the engine that drives our economy here. Just before that time, I'll retire and move back to the Upper Midwest -- that flyover country you Coastie Snobs call it -- where retirement is cheap, the pace is slow to moderate, and people have their heads screwed on straight.
Toodles.
Alaska is not America Steve. It is just a tiny fraction of it.
Alaska is not America Steve. It is just a tiny fraction of it.
Sorry, old boy... actually, it is. It's the 49th State in the Union. Only when DX-ing, is it considered another country.
Remember, I go where opportunity exists. Right now, it is Alaska. I hate woe-is-me, sad sap stories. The strong survive. Try them on someone else.
Sorry, old boy... actually, it is. It's the 49th State in the Union. Only when DX-ing, is it considered another country.
Remember, I go where opportunity exists. Right now, it is Alaska. I hate woe-is-me, sad sap stories. The strong survive. Try them on someone else.
Sad attempt to act ignorant Steve, you know better. And you know what I was saying as well.
Alaska has a population of ~670,000.
NYC alone has 15 times that on a bad work day.
That things are looking good for a segment of the workforce that represents no more than 1% of the US population (300,000 Alaskans working, US population of 300,000,000) is a moot point and you know it. It has no bearing on the health of the nation as a whole.
You are disconnected OM, you have no idea what is really happening and you won't even listen when others tell you.
As for the I hating of hard luck, too bad. Your hate does not change the facts for millions of Americans who are actively trying harder than you to keep their heads above water.
Alaska is not America Steve. It is just a tiny fraction of it.
Oh... so you don't believe the real wealth of a nation is it's tangible assets, like metals, oil, gas, coal, food, steel, trees, and potable water? Please tell me the initial abundance of these tangible assets weren't the catalyst for America's industrial revolution. Please tell me that our Nation's future isn't dependent on these SAME tangibles going forward -- readily available supplies of these assets at moderate prices. Tell me the Liberals/Greenies are willing to exploit and/or harvest our Nation's tangible assets in a responsible way, in numbers viable for conversion to alternative energies going forward? Tell me the Libs/Greenies will not stop, regulate into nonexistence (non-profitability), or perpetually impede safe, existing operations, and responsibly presented new natural resource extraction endeavors going forward?
The Libs/Greenies can't seem to live in a Nation of responsibility and compromise -- for the good of the People. Their "not-in-my-backyard" policies aren't scorching earth, which is never right -- just scorching the pocketbooks of America's People.
73.
Nice spin there Steve, but your understanding of economics is sorely lacking.
And you post sidesteps the issue that resources do not equate to jobs and income for Americans.
But that's OK, being so far away from the real country and out of touch can do that to the incurious.
Sad attempt to act ignorant Steve, you know better. And you know what I was saying as well.
Alaska has a population of ~670,000.
NYC alone has 15 times that on a bad work day.
That things are looking good for a segment of the workforce that represents no more than 1% of the US population (300,000 Alaskans working, US population of 300,000,000) is a moot point and you know it. It has no bearing on the health of the nation as a whole.
You are disconnected OM, you have no idea what is really happening and you won't even listen when others tell you.
As for the I hating of hard luck, too bad. Your hate does not change the facts for millions of Americans who are actively trying harder than you to keep their heads above water.
Population as a come back... Moving out of the question for those seeking employment? I bet that eight-lander hasn't moved to stay employed...
Others working harder to keep their heads above water? Hardly... I've moved my family cross-country three times in the last 10 years to move my career along and keep somewhat ahead of the curve. I am different than many out there -- I go where opportunity exists, exploit it, and move on to the next opportunity. Company loyalty doesn't exist anymore. It's about survival and money. It's about providing for my family. No more, no less.
Good try, though. Your hatred for conservatives is showing. I only pity you.
Nice spin there Steve, but your understanding of economics is sorely lacking.
And you post sidesteps the issue that resources do not equate to jobs and income for Americans.
But that's OK, being so far away from the real country and out of touch can do that to the incurious.
Denigration tactics at their best. Is that all you got today?
Answer my questions, OM.
Cheers.
Denigration tactics at their best. Is that all you got today?
Answer my questions, OM.
Cheers.
I did, resources don't equate into real income or employment for Americans. They are nothing more than the potential measured wealth of a nation and are worthless to the inhabitants unless utilized.
It's the oil men in power right now that are scorching the countries pocket book Steve, or are you too obtuse to even notice that much?
The environmentalists have had no say for 7 years now, so what is it they are stopping?
Like I said, you have no understanding of economics (or politics), and your isolation has you so disconnected that you are unable to intelligently discuss the tragedy that is happening in the US.
I suspect it is also making you anti social as well, you don't even care about your fellow countrymen.
Why is that Steve, why do you hate Americans?
You haven't asked any Steve.
Post #64, or don't you read. Nope, you don't.
Post #64, or don't you read. Nope, you don't.
I wasn't aware that your rhetorical noise was actual question, but I have revised the post to answer your meaningless baiting (I had already answered but you apparently did not understand).
Now answer mine, why do you hate Americans so much that you don't even care if they suffer?
Or are you so out of it that you think 10 million Americans moving to Alaska will helps it's economy?
Nice spin there Steve, but your understanding of economics is sorely lacking.
And you post sidesteps the issue that resources do not equate to jobs and income for Americans.
Hmm... KV1M is saying real, tangible assets, those worth trade, barter, and money throughout the world, do NOT create jobs. That really naive.
If they didn't exist, or weren't worth money and profit, men wouldn't exploit them. Men -- plural -- creating constructs to extract and present to industry and the public in a salable form, natural resources, for the sake of making profit. If it weren't for natural resources, or men, profit and wealth building opportunities wouldn't exist.
Make's me go, "Hmm..."
Hmm... KV1M is saying real, tangible assets, those worth trade, barter, and money throughout the world, do NOT create jobs. That really naive.
If they didn't exist, or weren't worth money and profit, men wouldn't exploit them. Men -- plural -- creating constructs to extract and present to industry and the public in a salable form, natural resources, for the sake of making profit. If it weren't for natural resources, or men, profit and wealth building opportunities wouldn't exist.
Make's me go, "Hmm..."
You are so simplistic, that was a foolish post.
I wasn't aware that your rhetorical noise was actual question, but I have revised the post to answer your meaningless baiting (I had already answered but you apparently did not understand).
Now answer mine, why do you hate Americans so much that you don't even care if they suffer?
Or are you so out of it that you think 10 million Americans moving to Alaska will helps it's economy?
More Naivet'e. More numbers again... so you think Alaska is the only state or place in the nation where jobs abound? The economy and job markets are always in a state of flux. And I thought Libs were open to new things -- like new and differing opportunities, jobs, places, experiences, etc.
Oh, yes... the poor children. I have three of my own. I "feel" deeply for the children of parents unwilling to make the sacrifices needed to provide for them, I really do. For they can do nothing about their parents failings. I "feel" nothing for the parents.
It isn't my responsibility to make up for the parents who fail to provide for them when wrong decisions are made, or a lack of industriousness overcomes them -- to have government take from me to give to them.
If you wish, give more to the feds for me -- pay for the socialistic programs. I'll be happy to let you.
In the meantime, I'll be giving to my local, private charities -- where it does more good, where giving isn't bound to governmental regulation, fraud, waste, and abuse.
73, OM.
You are so simplistic, that was a foolish post.
One-liners are so becoming of you. Best of luck.
More Naivet'e. More numbers again... so you think Alaska is the only state or place in the nation where jobs abound? The economy and job markets are always in a state of flux. And I thought Libs were open to new things -- like new and differing opportunities, jobs, places, experiences, etc.
Oh, yes... the poor children. I have three of my own. I "feel" deeply for the children of parents unwilling to make the sacrifices needed to provide for them, I really do. For they can do nothing about their parents failings. I "feel" nothing for the parents.
It isn't my responsibility to make up for the parents who fail to provide for them when wrong decisions are made, or a lack of industriousness overcomes them -- to have government take from me to give to them.
If you wish, give more to the feds for me -- pay for the socialistic programs. I'll be happy to let you.
In the meantime, I'll be giving to my local, private charities -- where it does more good, where giving isn't bound to governmental regulation, fraud, waste, and abuse.
73, OM.
Like I said, disconnected.
One liners are all I have for you Steve, you won't listen to fact.
k8wpj
03-28-2008, 03:10 PM
Maybe I have offset you?
I love America.
Thanks for the input...
You must have a lot invest in Alaskan oil futures as well... from my viewpoint, the only thing that seems to be on an upward trend, that might be considered a 'positive' would be the cost of a barrel of oil, and the profits of the big oil companies...
Correct me if I am worng, but don't Bush, Cheney et al have big dinero invested in oil and oil related ventures?
You don't suppose it's possible the side effects of the joint wars in the middle east may have been undertaken with some ulterior motives on the part of this current administration?
NAW whatever was I thinking?
And McCain's similarities to Boosh are just the result of bad media spin, right?
How foolish of me.
Steve must not be married or have a family.... Not everyone can pack up to move to God's Armpit, Alaska on a job... I am tied to the midewest by more than just a love of the Ohio State Buckeyes... There are family considerations keeping us here... or are you saying that you lead a 'Fred Flintstonian' existance where you make all of the decisions for your household??
k8wpj
03-28-2008, 03:37 PM
[QUOTE=NL7W;1179481]Population as a come back... Moving out of the question for those seeking employment? I bet that eight-lander hasn't moved to stay employed...
Posting here is a privilege. Follow the rules or loose that ability.
KB9YCO
03-28-2008, 04:23 PM
I'm staying out of the little p***ing match(es) going on here, but I do find it amusing that so many Republicans are championing McCain when almost 4 and 8 years ago he wasn't "conservative enough" and the Bush administration did everything in their power to make him look like a shell-shocked mental case. Now, because the future of their party's power lies in the balance he seems to be just what they're looking for. I'm no huge fan of McCain, really I'm no fan of any of the candidates at this point, but I won't feel nearly as bad if McCain wins as I did when Bush Jr. won (well, sort of won the first time.)
I guess it's just politics as usual, embrace whoever you think will keep your agenda(s) in power, act like they're your best friend, then when they don't do what you want to just go back to crucifying them.
What gives you the right, hey you-
To stand there and tell me what to do?
Tell me who gave you the power
To stop me from livin' like I do?
Remember if you plan to stay
Those who give can take away.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Just one time I'd like to be somewhere where-
None of your clever lies fill the air.
I'm tired of your frozen smile and your voice of tin.
Just might all gang up on you-
Turn the knob and do you in.
Remember if you plan to stay-
Those who give can take away.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you
This never ending power play-
'tween Jealous greed and vicious hate-
Is grinding us like giant millstones.
But it can't be our only fate,
It's time we got our heads together-
And let'em know that we're awake.
Those in the dark, you know they're no longer blind,
They're breakin' from your strangle hold on their minds.
Those that can see don't need no one to cross the street.
Be careful who you're pushin' round-
They just might find you obsolete.
Remember if you plan to stay-
Those who give can take away.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
From the the 1969 release: "Early Steppenwolf"
n2ize
03-28-2008, 04:54 PM
More Naivet'e. More numbers again... so you think Alaska is the only state or place in the nation where jobs abound? The economy and job markets are always in a state of flux. And I thought Libs were open to new things -- like new and differing opportunities, jobs, places, experiences, etc.
Oh, yes... the poor children. I have three of my own. I "feel" deeply for the children of parents unwilling to make the sacrifices needed to provide for them, I really do. For they can do nothing about their parents failings. I "feel" nothing for the parents.
It isn't my responsibility to make up for the parents who fail to provide for them when wrong decisions are made, or a lack of industriousness overcomes them -- to have government take from me to give to them.
If you wish, give more to the feds for me -- pay for the socialistic programs. I'll be happy to let you.
In the meantime, I'll be giving to my local, private charities -- where it does more good, where giving isn't bound to governmental regulation, fraud, waste, and abuse.
73, OM.
Blowin the horn again ?
Hmmmm... sounds like someone is blowing the old trumpet in Alaska again, playing the song of self righteousness in the same old condescending key. Maybe one of those charities will put some money together and buy him a new horn. A horn that can play something other than the same old tired and transparent tune over and over again. I'm sure plenty of Alaskans are getting tired of it along with the rest of us.
Blowin the horn again ?
Hmmmm... sounds like someone is blowing the old trumpet in Alaska again, playing the song of self righteousness in the same old condescending key. Maybe one of those charities will put some money together and buy him a new horn. A horn that can play something other than the same old tired and transparent tune over and over again. I'm sure plenty of Alaskans are getting tired of it along with the rest of us.
He hasn't started bellowing about his military service yet. I'm sure that's next.
Frozen Steve is like "Charlie on the MTA". He's stuck forever on his speeding train looking for a clue...
He hasn't started bellowing about his military service yet. I'm sure that's next.
Frozen Steve is like "Charlie on the MTA". He's stuck forever on his speeding train looking for a clue...
Back from vacation? MTA is my local phone company...
[QUOTE=NL7W;1179481]Population as a come back... Moving out of the question for those seeking employment? I bet that eight-lander hasn't moved to stay employed...
BULL####
Who are you to proclaim anything about how anyone else you've never met lives?
mighty presumptuous...
If the facts matter to you at all OM, I've moved through 6 states in 20 years, and held 14 differnet addresses over my carreer...
I've been a broadcast deejay, a retail sales manager, a call center rep, a help desk tech, a bluiding custodian, a HVAC repairman, a truck driver, and a computer installer. I've done fast food, and i have done roadside service.
I have retrained, and relocated through several different fields and taken full time corporate gigs, part time jobs, consulting and contracting. I've worked overnights, split shifts, paid my own expenses, and worked froma cubicle and out of my car covering OH, IL, IN, VA, NC, SC, and GA.
When I graduated in 1982 in cleveland, the air traffic controllers had just walked, and the UAW was on strike, unemployment was 14% and minimum wage was 2.75 an hr... I was forced to mow lawns and shovel driveways b/c there was no work, not even fast food...
Everyone ssaid retrain get a skill... so i went to school nights to learn HVAC, adn got work as a bldg custodian... property was sold, and the job was eliminated. started driving a truck and worked as a driver and fixed A/C units out of my garage untill an accident with a drunk driver hurt me to the point I lost my DOT certification...
Everyone said retrain get another skill.... back to school i went, earned a degree in communications, and pounded the pavement for DJ work....
no experience, so jobs in big markets like Cleveland were out so i hit the road, got work in bellefoutaine, ohio at minimum wage... computers entered the broadcast world and stations started automating... suddenly they could run 6 stations with one person instead of one station with 6 people....
Started working for a retail electronics store doing sales... couldnt work b/c my old back injury left me arthritic and unable to stand the entire shift... Started doing desk work... more minimum wage...
Went BACK to school to retrain AGAIN --
started learning computers and got good at fixing them... started doing help desk work then hello Y2K and offshoring... thank you H1B program! foriegn labor is cheeper? who knew? Corporate america offshores my job FOUR SEPARATE TIMES --- find a job relocate, settle in, department gets shipped offshore, find a job relocafind a job relocate, settle in, department gets shipped offshore, find a job, settle in, department gets shipped offshore.
My XYL was a college educated woman with degrees in computer science and journalism... She's easily made 3x what I make, but, she's had to move through 4 states, and 5 jobs over the 10 yrs I have known her....
We've never stayed in any one place longer than 3 yrs, and I myself have never had more than 5 yrs in at any one company....
How dare you blindly dismiss me as an 'eightlander that never been away from home'???
Get your head out of your igloo and take a look around...
How is it that you can be so 'Alaska'centric in your veiw as if the economy where you are is the barometer of the US as a whole, but then bash me saying i've never been out of 8 land?
Methinks you Sir are a hypocrite of olympic proportions.
What a story! I've had half the number of addresses in the U.S. and abroad, but my career is only half over.
You must be just as incensed as your fellow Libs. Always wanting something, and never quite learning how to spell.
So, eight-lander... what is it you want from our federal gubment? You want your "fair share?" You want your kids' education paid for? You want your retirement bolstered? You want your "free health care?" And, do you want everyone else to pay for it?
BTW, Alaska isn't a barometer. It's quite insulated from the lesser forty-eight.
Best of luck to you.
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Meanwhile...
Friday, March 28, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama with a two-point edge over Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. It’s Obama 46% Clinton 44%. While the “lead” is not statistically significant, it is the first time Obama has had any advantage over Clinton in a week. The broader trend shows that, for the past two weeks, Obama’s support has been within two percentage points of 45% every day. Clinton’s support has been within two percentage points of 44% every day (see recent daily results).
Some pundits have begun floating the possibility of Al Gore as a compromise nominee to end the Obama-Clinton struggle. Gore is viewed favorably by 76% of Democratic Primary Voters, Obama by 70%, and Clinton by 67%. However, when Rasmussen Reports asked Democratic Primary Voters about a three-way race including Gore, the former Vice President attracted less support than both Obama and Clinton. Susan Estrich worries that the Democrats may be committing Political Suicide with the ongoing primary battle. However, 62% of Democrats aren’t ready for either candidate to drop out of the race.
Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 49% to 42% and Hillary Clinton 49% to 41% (see recent daily results). McCain is now viewed favorably by 54% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 43%. Obama’s reviews are 49% favorable and 49% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 45% favorable, 53% unfavorable (see recent daily results).
The trend continues...
Ref: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
k8wpj
03-28-2008, 09:17 PM
[QUOTE=k8wpj;1179639]
So, eight-lander... what is it you want from our federal gubment? You want your "fair share?" You want your kids' education paid for? You want your retirement bolstered? You want your "free health care?" And, do you want everyone else to pay for it?
BTW, Alaska isn't a barometer. It's quite insulated from the lesser forty-eight.
The [Bullcrap] continues...
You know what i want?
I want honesty from my officials... I expect them to smoke pot in college, but dammit SAY SO. Be honest about it. Stop lying to me and acting like I am too stupid to understand politics...
Bush lied about the reasons for going to war, and he was told so on more than one occasion, he wasn't happy with that, so he created another scenario to get the result he wanted... The wars were never about WMD's or terrorists or the safety of the US after 9/11... It was about oil, and that's all it's ever been about....
He's lucky someone hasn't blown him away for some of the crap he's done, and I fully expect it to be his legacy... Bush has never cared about any one but the Bush family and it's agenda...
I want loyalty... You are an elected official of the USA, not Mexico, not India, not the middle east. You were put there by citizens of the USA and your first loyalty is to THEM, not big oil, not the corporate lobbyists, and your personal agenda should never rate as more important than the will, safety, and prosperity of the public that elected you. And further, your loyalties are to the US first above all others, even your own agenda... I am all for a retirement plan, but you should never be allowed influence over anything you may have a financial benefit from. Also, lobbyists should be eliminated, period.
I certainly do not expect a government hand out, but on the other hand, I certainly have a big issue with a government, that makes life harder for the American public....
If I am due my disabilty benefits, then dammit don't make me wait years for t, approve me expeditiously, and without an arguement.... If on the other hand, I am stopped for speeding, and the cop suddenly realizes I speaka no iglias, and have no valid papers authorizing me to be here, then he has the immediate right to arrest and detain me till I can be put on the next plane back to tortillaville.
You want to play Hide the cigar with an aide that's your biziness, but not in the Oval office, on company time.
You as an elected official should be looking for ways to improve the economy by demanding work be done HERE, not find bigger and better ways to send work offshore, then think about the economy as an after thought...
Here's an idea, the Presidential salary and perks are tied to your public opinion numbers, and the state of the economy.... number go up, you get paid... Numbers in the toilet, you have a shortened term... If it works for a minumum wage earner at the bottom, it oughta be just fine for the top dog...
As for healthcare, the governement again needs to stay out of the debate over another persons body... If i wanna smoke pot, fine... have at it, just don't infringe on anyone else... Same thing with abortion... it's up to the individual, not the government.... Also, it is high time price gouging of medical costs be investigated and prosecuted... Or, mandate that a percentage of medical profits be reinvested in philanthropic programs that provide healthcare to those making under 75,000.
As for education, if you are gonna push programs like 'no child left behind' during your campaign, then you should be REQUIRED to allocate funding for the entire length of your term should you be ellected and the program implemented.
Now i am not too sure what you thought i misspelled, but maybe it was just a matter of your lips outrunning your finger as you sounded out the words. How is it you can claim that business is booming in Alaska, so you should have no problem finding work 'if' you want to, then state that it is 'quite insulated' from the lower 48....
Did I miss something, or are you just talking out of both sides of your ass?
If you somehow have a better way to accomplish any of what I've mentioned then by all means, answer a direct comment with a direct answer... I am all ears...
73's
WPJ
n2ize
03-28-2008, 10:22 PM
What a story! I've had half the number of addresses in the U.S. and abroad, but my career is only half over.
Hmmm... that sounds pretty sad. Imagine that to keep a job and a roof over your head you have to keep uprooting your family and travelling all over the world like a gypsy setting up temporary "camp" and then moving on a couple years later.
Years ago the middle class didn't have to keep moving from place to place to keep a job. Seems like someone screwed things up big time. names like Reagan, Bush, Clinton, etc. come to mind.
You must be just as incensed as your fellow Libs. Always wanting something, and never quite learning how to spell.
That's always a good one when you're argument runs out of guess. Dig for spelling errors.
So, eight-lander... what is it you want from our federal gubment? You want your "fair share?"
Yes we sure do.
You want your kids' education paid for?
Yes, as a matter of fact we should even have free college tuition as they do in other countries. Particularly if we plan to move ahead and advance our knowledge base and skills.
You want your retirement bolstered?
Yes indeed. Elderly people who worked hard all their lives and have contributed to society deserve to have good pensions and good retirement benefits so that they can live the remainder of their lives in reasonable comfort without fear of winding up on the streets. They aren't greedy, they are merely expecting what should be a fair return for what they put in.
You want your "free health care?"
Ditto for health care. And no, it's not "free" we all pay for it so that it is available to all of us regardless of our present economic situation. yes, indeed, a national health care plan so that the poor and the elderly don't have to go without health care or medication. So that everyone can get quality care without going broke regardless of economic status.
And, do you want everyone else to pay for it?
We all pay for it. Just like you are paying right now.
BTW, Alaska isn't a barometer. It's quite insulated from the lesser forty-eight.
Alaska is not insulated but you're quite insulated from reality.
Best of luck to you.
You'll need it whence comes time to make you're next relocation.
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Meanwhile...
Friday, March 28, 2008
The Rasmussen Reports
Wait till the Rasmussen polls start showing results that you don't like. Then we'll start hearing lectures about how wrong the polls are, how unimportant and meaningless polls are, and how polling and statistics is meaningless. Enjoy it while it lasts.
w2amr
03-28-2008, 10:26 PM
[QUOTE=NL7W;1179868]
You know what i want?
I want honesty from my officials... I expect them to smoke pot in college, but dammit SAY SO. Be honest about it. Stop lying to me and acting like I am too stupid to understand politics...
Bush lied about the reasons for going to war, and he was told so on more than one occasion, he wasn't happy with that, so he created another scenario to get the result he wanted... The wars were never about WMD's or terrorists or the safety of the US after 9/11... It was about oil, and that's all it's ever been about....
He's lucky someone hasn't blown him away for some of the crap he's done, and I fully expect it to be his legacy... Bush has never cared about any one but the Bush family and it's agenda...
I want loyalty... You are an elected official of the USA, not Mexico, not India, not the middle east. You were put there by citizens of the USA and your first loyalty is to THEM, not big oil, not the corporate lobbyists, and your personal agenda should never rate as more important than the will, safety, and prosperity of the public that elected you. And further, your loyalties are to the US first above all others, even your own agenda... I am all for a retirement plan, but you should never be allowed influence over anything you may have a financial benefit from. Also, lobbyists should be eliminated, period.
I certainly do not expect a government hand out, but on the other hand, I certainly have a big issue with a government, that makes life harder for the American public....
If I am due my disabilty benefits, then dammit don't make me wait years for t, approve me expeditiously, and without an arguement.... If on the other hand, I am stopped for speeding, and the cop suddenly realizes I speaka no iglias, and have no valid papers authorizing me to be here, then he has the immediate right to arrest and detain me till I can be put on the next plane back to tortillaville.
You want to play Hide the cigar with an aide that's your biziness, but not in the Oval office, on company time.
You as an elected official should be looking for ways to improve the economy by demanding work be done HERE, not find bigger and better ways to send work offshore, then think about the economy as an after thought...
Here's an idea, the Presidential salary and perks are tied to your public opinion numbers, and the state of the economy.... number go up, you get paid... Numbers in the toilet, you have a shortened term... If it works for a minumum wage earner at the bottom, it oughta be just fine for the top dog...
As for healthcare, the governement again needs to stay out of the debate over another persons body... If i wanna smoke pot, fine... have at it, just don't infringe on anyone else... Same thing with abortion... it's up to the individual, not the government.... Also, it is high time price gouging of medical costs be investigated and prosecuted... Or, mandate that a percentage of medical profits be reinvested in philanthropic programs that provide healthcare to those making under 75,000.
As for education, if you are gonna push programs like 'no child left behind' during your campaign, then you should be REQUIRED to allocate funding for the entire length of your term should you be ellected and the program implemented.
Now i am not too sure what you thought i misspelled, but maybe it was just a matter of your lips outrunning your finger as you sounded out the words. How is it you can claim that business is booming in Alaska, so you should have no problem finding work 'if' you want to, then state that it is 'quite insulated' from the lower 48....
Did I miss something, or are you just talking out of both sides of your ass?
If you somehow have a better way to accomplish any of what I've mentioned then by all means, answer a direct comment with a direct answer... I am all ears...
73's
WPJ
Bravo! Well done.
http://www.northcoastjournal.com/020107/NEWS-clapping81.jpg
Here Stevie, the predicament of your fellow countrymen in their own words:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7302485.stm
Go ahead, show us how much you hate them.
AE6IP
03-28-2008, 10:34 PM
So Steve, when you're picking and choosing from Rasmussen, why don't you pick comments like this one from the same Friday report?
Rasmussen Markets data now give Obama a 79.9 % chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 18.7 %. Market data also suggests that Obama has a 47.6 % chance to become the next President. Expectations for McCain to become President are at 40.2 % while Clinton’s prospects are at 13.0 %. Numbers in this paragraph are from a prediction market, not a poll.
AE6IP
03-28-2008, 10:39 PM
Wait till the Rasmussen polls start showing results that you don't like. Then we'll start hearing lectures about how wrong the polls are, how unimportant and meaningless polls are, and how polling and statistics is meaningless. Enjoy it while it lasts.
They already are. Rasmussen has shown either Democratic candidate ahead in the electoral college over McCain all along. Steve dismisses this as a 'nuance'.
N4VGB
03-28-2008, 10:45 PM
Here Stevie, the predicament of your fellow countrymen in their own words:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7302485.stm
Go ahead, show us how much you hate them.
Well, I retired several years ago to take the plunge into business myself and things have gone well for me. Is small business rough, you bet your bippy it is spunky. Not for everyone and I'll be !@#$%^ if I know of one stinking EURO country that guarantees the success of any business venture. Wake up man, you can indeed go broke in business in any EURO country.
You're so anti-American that I'm guessing one of two possibilities in your case, 1- you have outstanding arrest warrants in the U.S. or 2- you have unpaid taxes in the U.S.
Revel in your EURO status and send us some notes on how great it is for you from time to time but please live out your days there and don't worry in the least about Americans. We'll do very well without you. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
ad4mg
03-28-2008, 10:49 PM
Well, I retired several years ago to take the plunge into business myself and things have gone well for me. Is small business rough, you bet your bippy it is spunky. Not for everyone and I'll be !@#$%^ if I know of one stinking EURO country that guarantees the success of any business venture. Wake up man, you can indeed go broke in business in any EURO country.
You're so anti-American that I'm guessing one of two possibilities in your case, 1- you have outstanding arrest warrants in the U.S. or 2- you have unpaid taxes in the U.S.
Revel in your EURO status and send us some notes on how great it is for you from time to time but please live out your days there and don't worry in the least about Americans. We'll do very well without you. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
Or:
3. He is very successful in his particular trade, and landed a better paying job in merry old England, where his wife has family. He left voluntarily, and can return at his whim.
Don't fall over that lower lip when you issue the apology due Todd. I know the gentleman, and as I noted in the other thread, it is easy to misjudge.
Let's see how good your character is.
N4VGB
03-28-2008, 11:04 PM
Or:
3. He is very successful in his particular trade, and landed a better paying job in merry old England, where his wife has family. He left voluntarily, and can return at his whim.
Don't fall over that lower lip when you issue the apology due Todd. I know the gentleman, and as I noted in the other thread, it is easy to misjudge.
Let's see how good your character is.
Well good for Todd J. Mondragon and I could care less about how good he is with Unix or his wife's ancestory. I just countered one anti-American post from him out of many. One little whiney small business owner in the U.S. is nothing to base any assessment of the U.S. economy upon. Let me point out to you that many of the old and very respected businesses of Britain have gone belly up in the last 20 years also, so is the whole British business system doomed!? Todd's constant rantings about how great Europe is, get stale to say the least and exactly why he can't revel in his own perceived good fortune to be there is a bit beyond me?
I don't have my lower lip stuck out and don't hold your breath for any apology to him, he deserves none and will receive none from me. I just hope the man stays where he claims to be so happy.
Well, I retired several years ago to take the plunge into business myself and things have gone well for me. Is small business rough, you bet your bippy it is spunky. Not for everyone and I'll be !@#$%^ if I know of one stinking EURO country that guarantees the success of any business venture. Wake up man, you can indeed go broke in business in any EURO country.
You're so anti-American that I'm guessing one of two possibilities in your case, 1- you have outstanding arrest warrants in the U.S. or 2- you have unpaid taxes in the U.S.
Revel in your EURO status and send us some notes on how great it is for you from time to time but please live out your days there and don't worry in the least about Americans. We'll do very well without you. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
Never said you couldn't, nice try at the straw man though. And since I don't bother with straw arguments on to the next part...
I'm not anti American, I'm anti STUPID American. That would be the PNAC apologist crowd. And I'm a realist, so since I can see what you are ignoring I point it out to you. Really pisses you off, doesn't it?
You Repugs are such criminals of course you'd think I was on the run. I expect nothing less of people who revel in the criminality of their leadership.
The love it or leave it comment itself is so unAmerican I don't know where to start. You see it is stuff like that that made me realize the US wasn't America any more. I love the founding fathers writings on freedom and social responsibilities, I took them to heart and cherish them. Those are the things America used to stand for and I love them. So I keep America close to my heart you see, it's the US that I ditched.
You did get one thing right though you big sexy hunk of America hating testosterone:
I am quite pleased that my hard earned pay will continue to have intrinsic worth and not become so much toilet paper any time soon. Unlike yours.
ad4mg
03-28-2008, 11:06 PM
Well good for Todd J. Mondragon and I could care less about how good he is with Unix or his wife's ancestory. I just countered one anti-American post from him out of many. One little whiney small business owner in the U.S. is nothing to base any assessment of the U.S. economy upon. Let me point out to you that many of the old and very respected businesses of Britain have gone belly up in the last 20 years also, so is the whole British business system doomed!? Todd's constant rantings about how great Europe is, get stale to say the least and exactly why he can't revel in his own perceived good fortune to be there is a bit beyond me?
I don't have my lower lip stuck out and don't hold your breath for any apology to him, he deserves none and will receive none from me. I just hope the man stays where he claims to be so happy.
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ad4mg
03-28-2008, 11:08 PM
Now, I'll be banned, or given a time out for that, but I'll not retract it. You, of course, will be given the standard neocon "mulligan", and your personal attack on Todd will be ignored.
Well good for Todd J. Mondragon and I could care less about how good he is with Unix or his wife's ancestory. I just countered one anti-American post from him out of many. One little whiney small business owner in the U.S. is nothing to base any assessment of the U.S. economy upon. Let me point out to you that many of the old and very respected businesses of Britain have gone belly up in the last 20 years also, so is the whole British business system doomed!? Todd's constant rantings about how great Europe is, get stale to say the least and exactly why he can't revel in his own perceived good fortune to be there is a bit beyond me?
I don't have my lower lip stuck out and don't hold your breath for any apology to him, he deserves none and will receive none from me. I just hope the man stays where he claims to be so happy.
No more stale than the constant ranting about how the Repugs are the best and the liberals are commies and the USA is number 1 and everywhere else is lame stupid and needs to take a bath.
You just keep right on telling yourself how the US is number 1 in everything, wouldn't want to shatter your world would we.
Umm, yes I would:
http://www.nationmaster.com (http://www.nationmaster.com/)
Sounds like you're the one crying OM (or is that whining?), need a tissue?
n2ize
03-28-2008, 11:29 PM
Well good for Todd J. Mondragon and I could care less about how good he is with Unix or his wife's ancestory. I just countered one anti-American post from him out of many. One little whiney small business owner in the U.S. is nothing to base any assessment of the U.S. economy upon. Let me point out to you that many of the old and very respected businesses of Britain have gone belly up in the last 20 years also, so is the whole British business system doomed!? Todd's constant rantings about how great Europe is, get stale to say the least and exactly why he can't revel in his own perceived good fortune to be there is a bit beyond me?
I didn't read him as ranting about how great Europe is. However, I did hear him dispelling some of the myths and falshoods that have been projected unto Americans by right wing think tanks as a means of making Amercans belive that they are #1 and better than everyone else in the world. There is good and bad in every country. But when we chose to close our eyes and imagine that as bad as some things are here it's that much worst everywhere else in the world is a recipe for disaster. Many Americans would like to belive that everything is worst in Europe and everone in Europe is envious of us and wants what we've got but that is a fantasy. Many things are indeed better over there and no, most Europeans are not envious nor do they want what we've got. Likewise the converse holds true, not everything is better there than here. The unfortunate thing is that instead of dealing with our problems we'd rather close our eyes and imagine that it's worst somewhere else and that everyone is envious of us when in reality that way of thinking is not only patently false but is ultimately more harmful than good. Turning a blinds eye to reality is never a good thing. And just because someone is willing to dispel falsehoods about Europe while acknowledging that there are things that are wrong here does not mean the person is anti American.
N4VGB
03-28-2008, 11:35 PM
Never said you couldn't, nice try at the straw man though. And since I don't bother with straw arguments on to the next part...
I'm not anti American, I'm anti STUPID American. That would be the PNAC apologist crowd. And I'm a realist, so since I can see what you are ignoring I point it out to you. Really pisses you off, doesn't it?
You Repugs are such criminals of course you'd think I was on the run. I expect nothing less of people who revel in the criminality of their leadership.
The love it or leave it comment itself is so unAmerican I don't know where to start. You see it is stuff like that that made me realize the US wasn't America any more. I love the founding fathers writings on freedom and social responsibilities, I took them to heart and cherish them. Those are the things America used to stand for and I love them. So I keep America close to my heart you see, it's the US that I ditched.
You did get one thing right though you big sexy hunk of America hating testosterone:
I am quite pleased that my hard earned pay will continue to have intrinsic worth and not become so much toilet paper any time soon. Unlike yours.
"Love it or leave it"???, never said that, it would be a foolish remark on my part and I'm not known as a foolish man at all. You've already left and seem happy with your move, so why beat the rest of us up that are very happy in the U.S.? I'm used to "criminality" in my leadership, watched the Clinton's tell lie after lie and even more lies to explain their former lies, watched an inordinate number of their friends and associates die & go to jail.
We who still live and work in the U.S. really don't need your leadership from abroad, it's that simple.
I was in the corporate world for 33 years and had many opportunities to move overseas but chose to stay in the U.S. I've been perfectly happy with my country in good times and bad.
You talk like Europe is Heaven and has never had financial or economic hard times and has never had any politicians of anything but stellar quality, so you're obviously woefully short in historical knowledge.
It's a lucky thing for me and the wife that "stupid" people like ourselves can be so successful in business. 33 years in corporate business and a fat 401k, fat savings plan, fat personal stock portfolio, fat personal savings, many properties owned and a thriving small business. The wife is a realtor and just had 2 consecutive $1M+ months in a row. Pretty amazing stuff for 2 "stupid" people living in the U.S. while I'm told by people like yourself that I'm going down the toilet.
I'm very happy with where I live and the things that I've accumulated in my life, you on the other hand seem to have an axe to grind with the U.S. while claiming to be very happy in Europe!? Something just doesn't add up here Todd?
"Love it or leave it"???, never said that, it would be a foolish remark on my part and I'm not known as a foolish man at all. You've already left and seem happy with your move, so why beat the rest of us up that are very happy in the U.S.? I'm used to "criminality" in my leadership, watched the Clinton's tell lie after lie and even more lies to explain their former lies, watched an inordinate number of their friends and associates die & go to jail.
We who still live and work in the U.S. really don't need your leadership from abroad, it's that simple.
I was in the corporate world for 33 years and had many opportunities to move overseas but chose to stay in the U.S. I've been perfectly happy with my country in good times and bad.
You talk like Europe is Heaven and has never had financial or economic hard times and has never had any politicians of anything but stellar quality, so you're obviously woefully short in historical knowledge.
It's a lucky thing for me and the wife that "stupid" people like ourselves can be so successful in business. 33 years in corporate business and a fat 401k, fat savings plan, fat personal stock portfolio, fat personal savings, many properties owned and a thriving small business. The wife is a realtor and just had 2 consecutive $1M+ months in a row. Pretty amazing stuff for 2 "stupid" people living in the U.S. while I'm told by people like yourself that I'm going down the toilet.
I'm very happy with where I live and the things that I've accumulated in my life, you on the other hand seem to have an axe to grind with the U.S. while claiming to be very happy in Europe!? Something just doesn't add up here Todd?
Good for you, but when the dollar collapses and the stock market crashes that will all be for naught. That is what I have said, it is what I keep saying and then you guys pop up out of nowhere and claim I said Europe was a utopia. It's not, but it is in better shape educationally, socially and economically then the US is right now and with the US being run into the ground the way it is it is very likely that Europe will replace the US as the worlds top economy. It already mostly has you know.
You DID give me the old love it or leave it though:
We'll do very well without you. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!
Same thing and is usually used as a suffix to the love it or leave it statement. If it's not what you meant then you should be aware that it is what is meant when used like that.
And Clinton, really. Bush is an international war criminal waging a war of aggression against a state that did nothing to the US and was no threat to the region and you talk about Clinton.
That is what I have been on about.
w2amr
03-28-2008, 11:48 PM
Now, I'll be banned, or given a time out for that, but I'll not retract it. You, of course, will be given the standard neocon "mulligan", and your personal attack on Todd will be ignored.
New Zed word, MULLICON. :D
N4VGB
03-28-2008, 11:57 PM
I didn't read him as ranting about how great Europe is. However, I did hear him dispelling some of the myths and falshoods that have been projected unto Americans by right wing think tanks as a means of making Amercans belive that they are #1 and better than everyone else in the world. There is good and bad in every country. But when we chose to close our eyes and imagine that as bad as some things are here it's that much worst everywhere else in the world is a recipe for disaster. Many Americans would like to belive that everything is worst in Europe and everone in Europe is envious of us and wants what we've got but that is a fantasy. Many things are indeed better over there and no, most Europeans are not envious nor do they want what we've got. Likewise the converse holds true, not everything is better there than here. The unfortunate thing is that instead of dealing with our problems we'd rather close our eyes and imagine that it's worst somewhere else and that everyone is envious of us when in reality that way of thinking is not only patently false but is ultimately more harmful than good. Turning a blinds eye to reality is never a good thing. And just because someone is willing to dispel falsehoods about Europe while acknowledging that there are things that are wrong here does not mean the person is anti American.
There have always been things that are right and wrong going on in all countries of the earth, the sins of Americans are no greater or lesser than others. It's that simple. I get up every morning with a smile on my face and ready to work all day, I'm still sitting in my business office typing this response. Everybody I know that is successful in the U.S. works a minimum 12 hour days, more when needed.
I'm personally sick & tired of hearing how everything is gloom & doom in the U.S. It's nothing but political ploy and always has been. I'll know for sure when the economy is really down in America because I'll see fast food franchises folding fast instead of opening new ones daily as is happening now. I'll see restaurants closing by the dozens instead of new ones opening daily as is happening now. I'll start to see fewer automobiles in the masses of shopping centers in the U.S. instead of new ones being built as is happening now. The single most important economic indicators in the U.S. economy are right in front of everyone's faces but nobody seems to recognize them.
I'm making more money today than I ever dreamed possible and according to old Todd J. Mondragon, I'm a "stupid" man. Been working since I was 1