The Tide is Turning Republican...

[AE6IP]

Given that McCain has started actively campaigning again, I'm guessing he's reading the trend a lot better than Steve is.

Such a small lead when you're not being campaigned against is an obvious sign of weakness to anyone who is not in denial.

[w2amr]

Got a mirror? :cool:
Well, that answers that question.

[KV1M]

Well, that answers that question.

Jethro's always good for making your point.
A little prompting and vioala! Your point is made for you.

[w2amr]

Jethro's always good for making your point.
A little prompting and vioala! Your point is made for you.
Some things are so easy....
:D

[n0ov]

Kv1M

Belgium is a fantastic country. Just a word of advice -- if the Police tell you to do something there don't hesitate, think or argue -- just do it and fast. Else you are in for quite the experience.

If you like beer you are in Da Place -- you can drink a different beer every day of the year for a solid year and still not taste all the brews Belgium has to offer. Wonderful people, great place!!!

Good place to live that VAT tax experience.....


Ugh

[KV1M]

Belgium is a fantastic country. Just a word of advice -- if the Police tell you to do something there don't hesitate, think or argue -- just do it and fast. Else you are in for quite the experience.

If you like beer you are in Da Place -- you can drink a different beer every day of the year for a solid year and still not taste all the brews Belgium has to offer. Wonderful people, great place!!!

Thanks for the heads up!

I'm still in London right now for a couple more years though.
Did get to Paris last week, man oh man! The cheese, the wine, the foie gras!
Belgium is next on the weekend list, chocolate and beer are on the menu.

[n2ize]

Given that McCain has started actively campaigning again, I'm guessing he's reading the trend a lot better than Steve is.

Such a small lead when you're not being campaigned against is an obvious sign of weakness to anyone who is not in denial.

Very true. Very true indeed.

[n2ize]

Thanks for the heads up!

I'm still in London right now for a couple more years though.
Did get to Paris last week, man oh man! The cheese, the wine, the foie gras!
Belgium is next on the weekend list, chocolate and beer are on the menu.

I'd be up for visiting Europe. But not for beer and chocolate. ;) I am sure there are other good things to be found abroad.

[n2ize]

Obama Satchmo !!!+

[N4VGB]

Obama Satchmo !!!+

You certainly seem to have intimate knowledge of a lot of guys! :eek:

[KV1M]

I'd be up for visiting Europe. But not for beer and chocolate. ;) I am sure there are other good things to be found abroad.

Amsterdam is on the list too, I'm waiting for the Cup again this year to go. :D

[n2ize]

Amsterdam is on the list too, I'm waiting for the Cup again this year to go. :D

My mom wants to go to Denmark to pick up some of those Danish cheses that she used to like so much but can no longer be legally imported into the USA. As one other station put it, these days America spells cheese KRAFT.

Meanwhile, enjoy the travelling around the free world. :D:D

[N4VGB]

Amsterdam is on the list too, I'm waiting for the Cup again this year to go. :D

Ah Amsterdam, the drugs and window shopping for ladies, outstanding. :D

[NL7W]

The trend continues...

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, May 02, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows John McCain now leads Barack Obama 48% to 42%. On Monday, immediately before the press conference held by Obama’s former Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, the candidates were tied at 46%. New Rasmussen Reports polling released today shows that just 32% of voters believe Obama was surprised by Wright’s comments. Most say it’s at least somewhat likely that Obama shares some of Wright’s controversial views.

Against Hillary Clinton, McCain now attracts 45% of the vote while Clinton earns 44%. On the morning of Wright’s press conference, Obama did three points better than Clinton against McCain (see recent daily results). Now, Clinton outperforms Obama by five for a swing of eight points in just four days.

Ref: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

...and Operation Chaos continues.

[KB9YCO]

Not sure what the big fascination is with dredging up old threads around here, though I didn't bother to go look at who or why, whatever...

Ah Amsterdam, the drugs and window shopping for ladies, outstanding. :D

I notice you say this every time someone mentions Amsterdam. That's a rather stereotypical view of what is a beautiful and historic city. That view of Holland in general is a rather limited one. Have you ever been there? While there are coffee shops that sell pot (no big deal really), and there is a red light district (that I've heard is being 'cleaned up' and altered) there is actually quite a lot to see in Amsterdam, actually in the country itself. I spent some time there and it is really an amazing place with lots of history beyond hookers, weed, and whatever else you seem to want to seek out. (That's a joke, I don't know what you really want.) Just thought I'd say so, when I was there I drove all over the country, as well as a little into Germany and Belgium. Lots of history and things to see, don't limit yourself to those generalizations.

[N4VGB]

Lots of history and things to see, don't limit yourself to those generalizations.

Of course there's more to it than the girls and dope. It's just the first two things that come to mind every time I hear it mentioned.

I understand the drugs have gotten a bit out of hand lately and the police are again exerting some pressure on that front. I don't know what or how they'd "clean up" the red light district, since it was always so very well regulated and controlled to begin.

Amsterdam is also not the only place in Europe where such wares are more or less openly available. And even the U.S. has Nevada and it's famous "ranches"! :)

[W4HAY]

The Mallard (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT200805002.jpg)

[NL7W]

Of course there's more to it than the girls and dope. It's just the first two things that come to mind every time I hear it mentioned.

I understand the drugs have gotten a bit out of hand lately and the police are again exerting some pressure on that front. I don't know what or how they'd "clean up" the red light district, since it was always so very well regulated and controlled to begin.

Amsterdam is also not the only place in Europe where such wares are more or less openly available. And even the U.S. has Nevada and it's famous "ranches"! :)

I'd only go to Holland for the wooden shoes and famous cheese. :o

[KV1M]

I'd only go to Holland for the wooden shoes and famous cheese. :o

Sure ya do Steve, sure ya do. :rolleyes:

[NL7W]

Sure ya do Steve, sure ya do. :rolleyes:

Well, well... I am a Wisconsin-born "cheesehead" you know. I am of German decent and would have to move east into Germany for beer n' brats, too.

Golly, I do love Milwaukee's famous Usinger Brats! Check out Gift 13... YUM!

http://www.usinger.com/

[KB9YCO]

Well, well... I am a Wisconsin-born "cheesehead" you know. I am of German decent and would have to move east into Germany for beer n' brats, too.

Golly, I do love Milwaukee's famous Usinger Brats! Check out Gift 13... YUM!

http://www.usinger.com/

Just up the road for me, let me know when you need some I'll send 'em your way! Though I actually prefer Klement's (http://www.klements.com/) when I eat that sort of thing, which isn't too often lately, they're another famous Milwaukee brat/meat place. Though we did go to "Pancake Day" in Racine today and they have the little Klement's sausages with the pancakes, tasty. I'm getting fatter just thinking about it.

[KV1M]

Oh my gawd, Wisconsin cheddar! Awesome!
Tough choice between that and New Hampshire's cheddars.

Both are top of the line.

California does NOT have the cheese no matter what the ad says.
I know, I've lived in all 3 places.

Should try some of the Shropshire cheddar I had today, apple wood smoked, heavenly! Went perfect with a nice double of Talisker.

[k8wpj]

Just up the road for me, let me know when you need some I'll send 'em your way! Though I actually prefer Klement's (http://www.klements.com/) when I eat that sort of thing, which isn't too often lately, they're another famous Milwaukee brat/meat place. Though we did go to "Pancake Day" in Racine today and they have the little Klement's sausages with the pancakes, tasty. I'm getting fatter just thinking about it.


Klements dogs rock... add a little stadium mustard from Cleveland, and you have a true 'breakfast of champions..."

[W3MIV]

Went perfect with a nice double of Talisker.

Diluted iodine.

[N4VGB]

Diluted iodine.

Like we don't have enough to argue about already!!! :D

I was perfectly willing to let the foul taste of the peat pass, you just had to start it? ;)

[KV1M]

Diluted iodine.

And you prefer?

[n2ize]

And you prefer?

I prefer Laudanum.

[KV1M]

I prefer Laudanum.
Nice!

Don't know how that goes with a Brie though... :p

[VK3ZL]

My mom wants to go to Denmark to pick up some of those Danish cheses that she used to like so much but can no longer be legally imported into the USA. As one other station put it, these days America spells cheese KRAFT.

Meanwhile, enjoy the travelling around the free world. :D:D

Around here John we spell KRAFT....... "SOAP".....

Cheers.....Bob.. :) :)

[KV1M]

Diluted iodine.

I see, you don't drink Single Malts.

That makes you eminently qualified to comment on them. :rolleyes:

[n2ize]

Nice!

Don't know how that goes with a Brie though... :p

It goes quite well with everything. If you don't belive me then go and ask Thomas DeQuincy. :D:D

[AE6IP]

I've been missing my daily dose of Rasmussen, so I checked theDaily poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) and found out why.

Apparently the tide has turned the other way again:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama attracting 46% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. This is the fifth straight day that Obama has had at least a one-point advantage over McCain.

oh and also, for Hillary fans:

As noted yesterday, Rasmussen Reports will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up.

and what does Rasmussen think of "the Obama-McCain" match-up?

Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 61.3 % chance of winning in November.

I did wonder why Steve's not so eager to rely the Rasmussen numbers.

Now we know.

[ac4r]

I've been missing my daily dose of Rasmussen, so I checked theDaily poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) and found out why.

Apparently the tide has turned the other way again:



oh and also, for Hillary fans:



and what does Rasmussen think of "the Obama-McCain" match-up?



I did wonder why Steve's not so eager to rely the Rasmussen numbers.

Now we know.


Enjoy the tax increases the dems will bring you.

[wd0mr]

The economy the past few years under republican manipulation has been so "peachy". I really doubt you need to worry about tax increase that will be on the ultra rich. the republicans have proven themselves more capable of taxing and spending then anyone in history.

[N4VGB]

The economy the past few years under republican manipulation has been so "peachy". I really doubt you need to worry about tax increase that will be on the ultra rich. the republicans have proven themselves more capable of taxing and spending then anyone in history.


Everybody that makes $40k+ yearly bend over, you are the ultra-rich of the Democratic Party. :rolleyes:

Now if ya got $40 million, they'll show you how to pay zero taxes. :D

[ac4r]

I really doubt you need to worry about tax increase that will be on the ultra rich. .

Yes they love to punish the productive members of society. What can the dems do if the ultra rich as you call them decide to just retire and stop working. Why keep working if you dont need the cash.

[n0ov]

The economy the past few years under republican manipulation has been so "peachy". I really doubt you need to worry about tax increase that will be on the ultra rich. the republicans have proven themselves more capable of taxing and spending then anyone in history.

Sorry OM. Last time I looked Peloski is not a republican. If you're going to place the blame (and well you should) why not share it with all the idiots we elected ------ they are all playing a roll in screwing things up and screwing us all in the process.

[AE6IP]

Enjoy the tax increases the dems will bring you.

As opposed to the deficits the reps bring because they spend money they don't have?

I never have figured out how the party that likes deficit spending is considered 'fiscally conservative' while the party that is at least willing to raise funds for what it spends on isn't.

[N4VGB]

As opposed to the deficits the reps bring because they spend money they don't have?

I never have figured out how the party that likes deficit spending is considered 'fiscally conservative' while the party that is at least willing to raise funds for what it spends on isn't.

If you believe this country has had a balanced budget in your lifetime, you're a dreamer. :)

[k8wpj]

lllol wrong forum.,...

[AE6IP]

If you believe this country has had a balanced budget in your lifetime, you're a dreamer. :)

Nobody said nuffin bout no budget.

[N4VGB]

As opposed to the deficits the reps bring because they spend money they don't have?

I never have figured out how the party that likes deficit spending is considered 'fiscally conservative' while the party that is at least willing to raise funds for what it spends on isn't.

Sure looks like budget talk to me!!! :p:p:p

[n2ize]

Yes they love to punish the productive members of society. What can the dems do if the ultra rich as you call them decide to just retire and stop working. Why keep working if you dont need the cash.

They can't retire. They never worked. :D:D:D:p:p

[AE6IP]

Sure looks like budget talk to me

That's probably why you're so confused about the economy.

"Deficit" there referred to the real deficit, IE, the difference between what the government takes in and what it spends, and not the silly game that passes for a "budget" in Washington these days.

Likewise, "raise" referred to real revenue, IE, the amount generated by the very taxes described.

Not a word about budget in there anywhere.

[ac4r]

As opposed to the deficits the reps bring because they spend money they don't have?

I never have figured out how the party that likes deficit spending is considered 'fiscally conservative' while the party that is at least willing to raise funds for what it spends on isn't.

Willing to raise funds ? Its more like take money by force from the American people.

[N4VGB]

Willing to raise funds ? Its more like take money by force from the American people.


Don't confuse him now. He might discover that the U.S. income tax is one the smallest sources of income to the U.S. government and faint. :D

[AE6IP]

Don't confuse him now. He might discover that the U.S. income tax is one the smallest sources of income to the U.S. government and faint. :D

You do realize that neither he nor I mentioned the specific source of raised funds we were discussing, right?

But you are, as usual, wrong.

GAO '07 report (http://www.gao.gov/financial/fy2007/07frusg.pdf) states that the federal government had revenues of 2.67 trillion dollars in 2007, of which 2 trillion was from individual tax and 367 billion from corporate income tax, leaving a mere 260 billion from all other sources combined. (See table 5 on page 22.)

Perhaps you had forgotten that social security and medicare taxes are also income tax?

[N4VGB]

Perhaps you had forgotten that social security and medicare taxes are also income tax?


I wasn't counting those at all. :D

[w2amr]

You do realize that neither he nor I mentioned the specific source of raised funds we were discussing, right?

But you are, as usual, wrong.


Yeah, but he's consistent.:rolleyes:

[AE6IP]

I wasn't counting those at all.

Even after you split out the ssi and medicare taxes, the personal income tax is still the largest source of revenue for the government. SSI is second, corporate income tax third, and medicare fourth. Among them they account for around 90% of the government's revenue.

No matter how you slice it, income tax isn't one of the smaller sources.

[N4VGB]

You do realize that neither he nor I mentioned the specific source of raised funds we were discussing, right?

But you are, as usual, wrong.

GAO '07 report (http://www.gao.gov/financial/fy2007/07frusg.pdf) states that the federal government had revenues of 2.67 trillion dollars in 2007, of which 2 trillion was from individual tax and 367 billion from corporate income tax, leaving a mere 260 billion from all other sources combined. (See table 5 on page 22.)

Perhaps you had forgotten that social security and medicare taxes are also income tax?

WOW, 90 million taxpayers, filing around 43 million tax returns in the U.S. and the total income is 2 trillion dollars. Seems like some are getting off easy and some are getting shafted royal! Wonder who's who in this deal? :D

[W3MIV]

Seems like some are getting off easy and some are getting shafted royal!


Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh. :rolleyes:

[AE6IP]

WOW, 90 million taxpayers, filing around 43 million tax returns in the U.S. and the total income is 2 trillion dollars. Seems like some are getting off easy and some are getting shafted royal! Wonder who's who in this deal? :D

That's what happens when you let a guy like dubya get anywhere near the purse strings.

Pity you can't do your math, though. There were about 134 million tax returns, accounting for 7.4 trillion dollars in adjusted gross income filed in the US in '05, the last year the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=96981,00.html) has numbers for.

You should probably stop now, before that hole you're digging yourself into gets too deep for you to see daylight from. :p

[N4VGB]

That's what happens when you let a guy like dubya get anywhere near the purse strings.

Pity you can't do your math, though. There were about 134 million tax returns, accounting for 7.4 trillion dollars in adjusted gross income filed in the US in '05, the last year the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/indtaxstats/article/0,,id=96981,00.html) has numbers for.

You should probably stop now, before that hole you're digging yourself into gets too deep for you to see daylight from. :p

My numbers came from another website and only count those who are actually taxpayers. Many Americans are rquired to file but pay zero taxes yearly. ;)

[AE6IP]

My numbers came from another website and only count those who are actually taxpayers. Many Americans are required to file but pay zero taxes yearly. ;)

Nice try, but but your 'many' isn't 2/3, which is what it would have to be for your numbers to be right.

Oh, and if you'd bothered to go to the IRS site you'd have found that only 1.7 million of the 134 million have 0 agi.

Keep digging, that hole's getting awfully deep.

[N4VGB]

Keep digging, that hole's getting awfully deep.


Call the Tax Foundation and tell them their numbers are incorrect. Gee, guess they've been incorrect since 1937? http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html
I want you to look at those lies they're telling!!! :rolleyes:

[AE6IP]

Call the Tax Foundation and tell them their numbers are incorrect. Gee, guess they've been incorrect since 1937? http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/1410.html

Well at least that URL shows us where you went wrong. You cited the number of taxpayers and returns that the tax foundations claimed paid no taxes, not the total number of taxpayers and returns.

I'll let you figure out for yourself why the AGI number I quoted from the IRS site and the "no tax paid" return numbers from the Tax Foundation don't dispute each other.

[N4VGB]

Well at least that URL shows us where you went wrong. You cited the number of taxpayers and returns that the tax foundations claimed paid no taxes, not the total number of taxpayers and returns.

I'll let you figure out for yourself why the AGI number I quoted from the IRS site and the "no tax paid" return numbers from the Tax Foundation don't dispute each other.

You know how we neocons are, we tend to discount all who don't pay! :D

[AE6IP]

You know how we neocons are, we tend to discount all who don't pay!

But this time you got it backwards and discounted those who do. :eek:

[AE6IP]

And now the tide takes the inevitable turn away from McCain:


Sunday, June 08, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Barack Obama’s bounce growing to an eight-point lead over John McCain. Obama now attracts 48% of the vote while McCain earns 40%.

[NL7W]

And now the tide takes the inevitable turn away from McCain:

We've seen it the other way around, and for a long time, too. It's a long way off till November...

[k2jnc]

We've seen it the other way around, and for a long time, too. It's a long way off till November...

You are an interesting fellow.

In your opening post in the thread, you touted the lead McCain had over Obama and Clinton in March... and how it was growing, and would grow as the left's dirty laundry was aired publicly.

Now, in June, you are given a poll that shows Obama up 8% over McCain in a poll, and your response is "It's a long way off till November..."

Wasn't March an even longer way off from November... but that didn't stop you from making an amateur analysis that McCain's lead would grow and the Democrats would fade. Are you trying to be amusing, or do you really believe what you type?

[NL7W]

You are an interesting fellow.

In your opening post in the thread, you touted the lead McCain had over Obama and Clinton in March... and how it was growing, and would grow as the left's dirty laundry was aired publicly.

Now, in June, you are given a poll that shows Obama up 8% over McCain in a poll, and your response is "It's a long way off till November..."

Wasn't March an even longer way off from November... but that didn't stop you from making an amateur analysis that McCain's lead would grow and the Democrats would fade. Are you trying to be amusing, or do you really believe what you type?

Both. What happens, and the direction the political winds blow, one week out from election day, will decide the next president.

Toodles.

[k2jnc]

Both. What happens, and the direction the political winds blow, one week out from election day, will decide the next president.

Toodles.

Now, that's clever. End your post with "Toodles" and it makes you seem sharp...

I agree that the week prior to the election will make for an easier and possibly more accurate guess as to who will win... But if you followed your own sage comment, you'd have never started this thread in the first place.

Are you the type that loves to boast when something suits your cause, and downplay those that don't? I'm new here, so I'm not sure how your mind works. Please enlighten me.

[NL7W]

Now, that's clever. End your post with "Toodles" and it makes you seem sharp...

I agree that the week prior to the election will make for an easier and possibly more accurate guess as to who will win... But if you followed your own sage comment, you'd have never started this thread in the first place.

Are you the type that loves to boast when something suits your cause, and downplay those that don't? I'm new here, so I'm not sure how your mind works. Please enlighten me.

In this thread, for months, McCain was ahead of the democratic candidates. There was a significant trend earlier. I enjoyed displaying these hard facts as the liberals here squirmed. Now, the onus is on the Republican Party, working with McCain, to present a solid, unifying front and message. This is something my party is having a hard time doing right now, and I am disappointed in the Party's lack of leadership/direction. It's time to fight back -- for the Libs and the Lib Press won't back down -- in any way, shape, or form. McCain needs to stop being Mr. Goody Two-Shoes.


Oh, If you don't like playing pundit, like I and so many here do, stay away. And, aired dirty laundry did affect BO's run from Pennsylvania on... He limped across the finish line. You'll notice many democrats, especially in rural and right traditional areas and states, voting for McCain come election time. BO's radical anti-American associations, radical words, and deeds won't wash with moderate and conservative democrats -- for he's a far-left loon.

There you go...

[k2jnc]

In this thread, for months, McCain was ahead of the democratic candidates. There was a significant trend earlier. I enjoyed displaying these hard facts as the liberals here squirmed. Now, the onus is on the Republican Party, working with McCain, to present a solid, unifying front and message. This is something my party is having a hard time doing right now, and I am disappointed in the Party's lack of leadership/direction. It's time to fight back -- for the Libs and the Lib Press won't back down -- in any way, shape, or form. McCain needs to stop being Mr. Goody Two-Shoes.


Oh, If you don't like playing pundit, like I and so many here do, stay away.

Being a pundit is fun... and like most pundits, you are probably wrong more than 65% of the time.

If there were liberals here squirming over your initial post in the thread, they may be mentally challenged.

You presented a poll on 3/21/2008 where McCain led Obama and Clinton in polls. Each were head to head polls. But, why would that be alarming? McCain was already the presumptive nominee. Republicans already knew that he was their only party choice in the general election. There should have been some form of galvanized support for him.

On the other hand, Obama and Clinton were locked in an ugly primary battle that still had not been decided, and both camps were heavily at odds with one another.

Now that you have a presumptive nominee on both sides, the polls get more interesting and more telling. If Obama has an 8% lead on McCain right now, maybe it is time for you conservatives to begin squirming. That 8% doesn't take into account all of those hardcore Clinton supporters making the choice to go with Obama or McCain... and believe me, when presented the facts between the two, no Clinton supporter in their right mind would pull the lever for McCain... that would have made their fanatical support of Clinton seem ridiculous by doing so.

You can play pundit all you like... but you aren't like the TV pundits. No matter how loud you yell at the TV, and tell the idiot he/she is wrong, they can't hear you... But, in an internet forum, you get to read post after post shoving the truth in your face when you've screwed up.

This is fun... why didn't I do this before?

[NL7W]

Being a pundit is fun... and like most pundits, you are probably wrong more than 65% of the time.

If there were liberals here squirming over your initial post in the thread, they may be mentally challenged.

You presented a poll on 3/21/2008 where McCain led Obama and Clinton in polls. Each were head to head polls. But, why would that be alarming? McCain was already the presumptive nominee. Republicans already knew that he was their only party choice in the general election. There should have been some form of galvanized support for him.

On the other hand, Obama and Clinton were locked in an ugly primary battle that still had not been decided, and both camps were heavily at odds with one another.

Now that you have a presumptive nominee on both sides, the polls get more interesting and more telling. If Obama has an 8% lead on McCain right now, maybe it is time for you conservatives to begin squirming. That 8% doesn't take into account all of those hardcore Clinton supporters making the choice to go with Obama or McCain... and believe me, when presented the facts between the two, no Clinton supporter in their right mind would pull the lever for McCain... that would have made their fanatical support of Clinton seem ridiculous by doing so.

You can play pundit all you like... but you aren't like the TV pundits. No matter how loud you yell at the TV, and tell the idiot he/she is wrong, they can't hear you... But, in an internet forum, you get to read post after post shoving the truth in your face when you've screwed up.

This is fun... why didn't I do this before?

Yes, this is fun...

Obama is sitting on a uptick, coming off a media swamping, down to the wire, primary battle. The dems couldn't have paid for the amount of coverage they've received these last few weeks. It's been all 'bout them!

Gadzooks!

The polls will change, swinging back towards McCain, just wait and see. It'll bounce back and forth a few times till the week prior the election.

Time to come down off your high... :D:D:D

Toodles.

[NL7W]

Sunday, June 08, 2008

The first full round of tracking poll interviews after Barack Obama clinched the Democratic Presidential Nomination found that 36% of voters nationwide say they are certain to vote for Obama in November and 34% are certain they will vote for McCain. That leaves a very significant 30% who are not certain to support either of the presumptive nominees.

That 30% who could change their mind includes 12% who currently lean towards or support Obama and 11% who currently lean towards or support McCain. Two percent (2%) say they will vote for a third party candidate and 5% are undecided. Obviously, with the levels of base support so close, the candidate who can reach the majority of these early swing voters will emerge victorious on Election Day.

These voters have a generally positive view of both Obama and McCain. Fifty-six percent (56%) give favorable reviews to the Democratic candidate and 53% say the same about the GOP hopeful. Thirty-six percent (36%) have a favorable opinion of both and 22% have an unfavorable opinion of both.

The following demographic profile of these potentially decisive voters is derived from Rasmussen Reports telephone survey interviews with 921 voters who are uncommitted or could change their mind between now and Election Day. The interviews were conducted on June 3-6, 2008. Those are the three nights following the night that Obama wrapped up the nomination.

Partisan Identification: 35% Democratic, 24% Republican, 41% Unaffiliated.

Among those who are totally undecided and don’t even lean towards one candidate or the other at this time--41% are unaffiliated with either major party, 35% are Democrats, and 19% are Republicans.

Among all Republican voters, 70% are certain to vote for McCain, 10% say they’re for McCain but could change their mind, and 4% lean towards McCain.

Among all Democratic voters, 66% are certain to vote for Obama, 12% say they’re for Obama but could change their mind, and 2% lean towards Obama.

Among all unaffiliated voters, 29% are certain to vote for McCain and 12% support the GOP candidate but could change their mind. Twenty-four percent (24%) are certain to vote for Obama while 12% say they support him but could change their mind.

Ideology: 13% Very Conservative, 21% Somewhat Conservative, 40% Moderate, 18% Somewhat Liberal, 4% Very Liberal.

From a slightly different perspective, 33% are Social Conservatives, 37% are Moderate on Social Issues, and 26% are Social Liberals.

34% are Fiscal Conservatives, 52% are Fiscal Moderates, and 7% are Liberal on Fiscal Issues.

Gender: 56% Women, 44% Men.

Income: 55% under $60,000 annual income. 26% above $75,000.

Race: 82% White, 4% Black, 14% Other (mostly Hispanic).

Among all White Voters nationwide, McCain currently leads 52% to 41%. Among African-American voters, Obama leads 95% to 5%. Among all other voters, Obama leads 54% to 36%.

Age: 13% are Under 30: 36% are 30-49; 32% are 50-64; and 19% are 65+.

Education: 26% High School Graduate or Less Education, 53% Attended or Graduated College, 21% Attended or Completed Graduate School.

All data was compiled from surveys conducted for the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Ref: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/30_of_voters_could_change_their_mind_between_now_a nd_election_day_56_are_women

[AE6IP]

In this thread, for months, McCain was ahead of the democratic candidates. There was a significant trend earlier. I enjoyed displaying these hard facts

Actually, not for months, nor a 'significant trend'.

Not that anyone's surprised that you'd call such spin doctoring as yours "hard facts".

Well, actually, there is some significance to the trend: McCain's lead over Clinton and Obama was never as high as the presumptive candidate of one party should hold over the candidates of the other who are in a horse race with each other.

McCain's campaign has recognized that this is very bad news for McCain for some time, which is why they've been running scared for the last month.

[NL7W]

Actually, not for months, nor a 'significant trend'.

Not that anyone's surprised that you'd call such spin doctoring as yours "hard facts".

Well, actually, there is some significance to the trend: McCain's lead over Clinton and Obama was never as high as the presumptive candidate of one party should hold over the candidates of the other who are in a horse race with each other.

McCain's campaign has recognized that this is very bad news for McCain for some time, which is why they've been running scared for the last month.

Prove the months trend otherwise.

[AE6IP]

Prove the months trend otherwise.

Actually, it's your claim, you're the one who has to prove it.

On the other hand, Rasmussen keeps their daily results around, and I do have a graph of it. I'm preparing to enjoy watching Obama pull away from McCain.

[ka5s]

George W and his hangers-on have inflicted serious damage on the Republican Party. With a majority in House AND Senate, Democrats will run roughshod over McCain (if he wins) and run amok with Obama, if HE wins. Which IMO is likely.

It is unconcscionable sell our country out to either to academics (Democrats) or plutocrats (Republicans) and still do justice to the Constitution. But politicians rarely HAVE a conscience.


Cortland
KA5S

[NL7W]

Actually, it's your claim, you're the one who has to prove it.

On the other hand, Rasmussen keeps their daily results around, and I do have a graph of it. I'm preparing to enjoy watching Obama pull away from McCain.

My proof lies within this thread. I'm done now.

[AE6IP]

My proof lies within this thread.

There's not enough information in this thread to make that determination one way or the other.

I'm done now.

Yes. You and McCain. You're both done now. And neither of you will realize it until November.

[N4VGB]

Yes. You and McCain. You're both done now.


I doubt that Nov. '08 will have much actual effect on either Steve or I, since the differences in Obama and McCain are few in most areas. I think Mr. Obama is going to be shocked at his inability to whip Congress into his personal servants, if he indeed ends up in the White House. You seem at times to believe that you are electing a new king with limitless powers? Perhaps the actual limits of Presidential power in regards to many things social and economic will also be a shock to Mr. Obama? :eek::rolleyes::D

[AE6IP]

I doubt that Nov. '08 will have much actual effect on either Steve or I, since the differences in Obama and McCain are few in most areas.

In that case, vote for Obama, as McCain is a lose canon.

I think Mr. Obama is going to be shocked at his inability to whip Congress into his personal servants, if he indeed ends up in the White House.

He wouldn't be the first president who was, but I doubt he's naive enough to think that.

You seem at times to believe that you are electing a new king with limitless powers?

Once again, you have me very much confused with someone else. "Wrong" seems to be all you can manage this month.

Perhaps the actual limits of Presidential power in regards to many things social and economic will also be a shock to Mr. Obama?

I doubt it. Despite your vague assertions, Senator Obama strikes me as fully aware of what his limitations as president will be.

[w2amr]

There's not enough information in this thread to make that determination one way or the other.



Yes. You and McCain. You're both done now. And neither of you will realize it until November.
Actually the neo cons were done once McCain was nominated. All of the neo con big wigs in the house and senate are gone. All of the neo con candidates who ran for president are gone. It's over Johnny, it's over! :D

[N4VGB]

At the present time, whoever inhabits the White House will find themselves in the exact setting of a very old joke that goes, when you're up to your butt in alligators it is somtimes difficult to remember that your original intent was to drain the swamp! :eek: