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Which would you rather prefer
1. To live in a place that bands firearms (illegal to own one), that does not allow conceal and carry -- where only the criminals and police have guns?
or
2. A place that allows firearms, allows conceal and carry, where folks that can carry often decide NOT TO because they live in a community that is safe (but it is nice to have the option)
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N4AUD
03-21-2008, 09:08 PM
Why don't you make it a poll?
WB2WIK
03-21-2008, 09:17 PM
Which would you rather prefer
1. To live in a place that bands firearms, that does not allow conceal and carry -- where only the criminals and police have guns?
or
2. A place that allows firearms, allows conceal and carry, where folks that can carry often decide NOT TO because they live in a community that is safe (but it is nice to have the option)
::A place that "bands" firearms? Does this mean they slip a rubber band around each one?
Why don't you make it a poll?
Great Idea -- done. (Learned something new)
KC4HGH
03-21-2008, 09:29 PM
...#2, of course...only makes sense!
N4AUD
03-21-2008, 09:41 PM
Why don't you make it a poll?
Way to go on the poll! As a firearms enthusiast, collector and shooter you can guess how I answered...
k9zmd
03-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Hey, your poll is a parallel to a famous old poll: Which sign would you rather have in front of your house, if you had to choose?
Sign #1: Gun-free zone; we call 911 for protection.
Sign #2: Armed occupants; we call, "Get out or I'll shoot!"
I do believe some regular posters here have already proudly announced, in effect, that only sign #1 would ever describe their house. Not that they would ever actually post that sign in front of their house for passersby to see. No sir, too smart for that! They would only just post that sentiment on a public forum for all the world to see, and where it is linked to their call sign, name, and address.
Now here's the truth of it, for anyone who is intensely interested. Out of those hams who've expressed Sign #1 sentiment in the past, all except one of them were lying through their teeth. Now Mr. burglar/rapist/home invasion freako, ya only gotta guess which one. (Do you feel lucky?) :D
PA5COR
03-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Living in Holland the gunlaws are an bit more restricted.
As gunclub member i now have 3 handguns 2 large caliber and one .22 and the trusty 1944 stamped U.S. M1 .30 Carbine, fully original, just scoped it, Bushnell 3 x to 9 x and 50 mm frontglass diameter.
Having an gunpermit here we can have up to 10.000 rounds in the house, or an mix with factory and parts for handloading .
I only reload the large caliber rounds, .22 are still relative cheap.
Not much use for defense, i live in an quiet rural area, not much crime here.
But, if something would happen the weapons are there.
Having guns or not should be the choice of the civilians, if they're sound of mind and not convicted.
Cor
G1VML
03-21-2008, 11:06 PM
Hello all,
There is an old saying- "those that sacrifice a little freedom for security soon find that they have neither.. !"
Here in the UK we have lost the battle! We have draconian gun laws, where even children plying with toy cap guns etc are routinely rounded up and the parents "spoken" to.
We are not allowed to defend ourselves.
Basically we cannot do anything that may harm an intruder/attacker or we can quickly find ourselves in the dock!!!
We have very little freedoms now.
Only the paramilitary police and the criminals have firearms!
Let the UK situation be a lesson to all of you guys!!
Thankyou for allowing me my say.
73 De Paul
:(
K8MHZ
03-21-2008, 11:32 PM
I think I should own any firearm I want to.
I also think that no one else should be able to own a firearm of any sort.
So.....how do I cast an honest vote???
ve2nsm
03-21-2008, 11:46 PM
You forgot to add in your # 1 option:
Where only crooks have guns and where anybody not wearing a badge or a uniform but carrying a weapon can be shot on site no questions asked.
How this one?
If you're gonna make a poll make a real one, not a biased one like this.
Just a tought :D
COR and VML, thanks for providing your perspective.
Actually I have been fortunate enough to live in both England and the Netherlands -- fantastic places and fantastic people.
KC7UP
03-22-2008, 12:07 AM
As an NRA life member since 1953 that speaks my preference.
Curt
kc9jwa
03-22-2008, 01:40 AM
Today i would think evryone wnats to be armed for good reason of course we live in very dangerous times, it's gettin bad evrywhere i aint surprised. I use to think her ein joliet that morris was perty safe where you could leave your house open, cars unlocked, not now i figured it hit there sometime. but at a certain point it was like that, it was safer. Even here on the west side it gottin bad over the past year, i would never allow anyone to be unarmed if i could, if they try it here good luck, you have big war on your hands. I am just gettin my new gun this summer, and one for my husband, security cameras, and i defintally dont mind the criminals knowing , you have be insane, plus a nice dog.:D I put sighns up, fence, and in all languages just incase. This is the ultimate answer.:D
kb3laz
03-22-2008, 02:32 AM
Well I feel that we should be able to carry firearms if its regulated.
I dont like the states that just an psycho can pick a tec-9 at their local gun shop. Well screened applicants that can pass a psyc exam would be acceptable.
This may seem like limited freedom but its just my thoughts.
Today i would think evryone wnats to be armed for good reason of course we live in very dangerous times, it's gettin bad evrywhere i aint surprised. I use to think her ein joliet that morris was perty safe where you could leave your house open, cars unlocked, not now i figured it hit there sometime. but at a certain point it was like that, it was safer. Even here on the west side it gottin bad over the past year, i would never allow anyone to be unarmed if i could, if they try it here good luck, you have big war on your hands. I am just gettin my new gun this summer, and one for my husband, security cameras, and i defintally dont mind the criminals knowing , you have be insane, plus a nice dog.:D I put sighns up, fence, and in all languages just incase. This is the ultimate answer.:D
check out supercircuits.com for cameras. Camera systems are easy to install and set up. It is a lot cheaper if you can install them yourself.
n9jrn
03-22-2008, 03:19 PM
See my avitar!!!!
kc9jwa
03-22-2008, 03:54 PM
check out supercircuits.com for cameras. Camera systems are easy to install and set up. It is a lot cheaper if you can install them yourself.
I hope this works i never replyed to a quote not sure how it will work out. My reply to you ac4r, is hubby and i have a idea and know wich camera setup we want. The doughnut shop across the street has the ones we picked out a while back, forgot the name, but the have infa red, and great color i want 4 to surround house, i watch it all day except when i have to do chores or take care of his dad, i work at home get paid for it, so it aint hard to catch a criminal or anything they cannot bypass me easily. The cams are 2for 100bucks so be 200 for all.
If you're gonna make a poll make a real one, not a biased one like this.
Just a tought :D
And a very good one. But these are simple people. Simple people from a simple town. Simple people from a simple time. And they all have pimples on their butts.
:D
w8znx
03-22-2008, 05:03 PM
You forgot to add in your # 1 option:
Where only crooks have guns and where anybody not wearing a badge or a uniform but carrying a weapon can be shot on site no questions asked.
How this one?
If you're gonna make a poll make a real one, not a biased one like this.
Just a tought :D
BINGO
this is a biased poll
designed from the start
to top load the answers
in the direction the poster wants
mac
wa9cwx
03-22-2008, 09:29 PM
With ANYthing that has potential power to easily cause serious harm there NEEDS to be some resposnsible behaviour by authorities to regulate, or monitor, or limit access.
Driving a car, alchohol, serious communicable disease, Overtly psychotic behaviour, pollution and waste dispsal, food and drug quality, safety of commercial conveniences, ALL are things that most reasonable people agree that SOME oversight is needed for the general good of the populace.
Gun control, since a gun CAN be so easily used to cause so much harm, IS essential. What that means, and how to apply it, is very difficult to nail down.
At the least, I think that a screening, as NOW required, should be mandatory.
Psychotics, ex-felons, AND illegal aliens should NOT 'have a right' to own a firearm.
A waiting period of at LEAST five days, may help to reduce killings of emotional passion.
Weapons sold for self defense (hand guns), should require a minimal SAFETY class requirement. I am speaking of a one hour 'Don't shoot your foot off' class, taken ONE time, or opted out of by having a signed release by a local gun club, or police officer, etc. I am NOT talking a 5 year degree in armament design....
Shotguns, rifles, should require at LEAST a minimal live shooting requirement.
(That doesn't mean shooting something that is ALIVE, it means at least a MINIMAL requirement that makes you actually SHOOT a rifle or shotgun, under control, at a minimal class.)
MANY gun shops offer this training, and gun clubs are all OVER the country.
Once is enough, at least to familiarize yourself, and, if you HAVE experience, a simple signed waiver by a gun club, or police officer, or even a gun shop owner, one time, would be enough.
I think the FEDERAL overnment needs to stay OUT of these laws at the administration level, but be involved in the information exchange from the states.
Carrying a gun in PUBLIC, needs to be defined differently for conceal and open.
And, in MY opinion, needs SOME additional 'screening', a bit more profound than for simple 'ownership' ....
Firing a weapon in public, if it were to occur, would be less scary if the person had actually had some minimal amount of TRAINING.
Again, even being signed off by a local police department would suffice, or a somewhat extended gun 'course' by the local gun shop or club, would be enough, and, in MY opinion, NOT too much to ask.
There you be, MY $0.02 worth
bang bang,
Frank
Actually I thought about this when I posted the other pole.
Here's a question..........
What does gun control and illegal imigration have in common?
Answer: Every bozo who wants to get in the spot light is willing to propose new laws that are not needed and likely not to be enforced........
Fact is many of the issues we face to justify new laws would not be necessary if the ones on the books were simply enforced.
Don't take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, rather arrest the criminals using them in hold ups, drive by shootings, etc and throw away the key
Don't add new laws making it illegal to talk on your cell phone, enforce the existing ones for Distracted Driving and hold those who can't stay in their own lane or get into accidents accountable.
Don't add (any) new laws on illegal imigration, rather enforce the existing ones.
(With one caviot, someone needs to kick the State Department in the A$$ and get them to simplify guest worker permits --- if these folks want to work, provide them a way to do it legally so taxes can be collected to help pay for some of the services they are using)
One last thought -- what does the Anti-Gun folks and Pro-Gun Folks have in common?
Answer: Neither one wants to see anyone shot --- the key difference is one side never considers they could become a victim, where the other side recognizes it could happen and wants to be prepared.
n2ize
03-23-2008, 08:45 AM
From a conservative standpoint it is clear the essence of the universe is Gun. Gun created the heavens and the earth. Gun created man. Gun is more important than food, clothing, health care or shelter. Gun is sacred. Gun is all and all is Gun. When Gun created man Gun said, thou shalt worship , possess, and seek me above al things be they body or temporal.
kb2vxa
03-24-2008, 04:54 AM
"Actually I thought about this when I posted the other pole."
Have you thought about what kind of antenna you're going to put on it?
"What does gun control and illegal immigration have in common?"
When guns are outlawed only illegal immigrants will be allowed to carry guns.
And there you have my opinion about discussions on gun control, pretty silly isn't it?
Hello all,
There is an old saying- "those that sacrifice a little freedom for security soon find that they have neither.. !"
Here in the UK we have lost the battle! We have draconian gun laws, where even children plying with toy cap guns etc are routinely rounded up and the parents "spoken" to.
We are not allowed to defend ourselves.
Basically we cannot do anything that may harm an intruder/attacker or we can quickly find ourselves in the dock!!!
We have very little freedoms now.
Only the paramilitary police and the criminals have firearms!
Let the UK situation be a lesson to all of you guys!!
Thankyou for allowing me my say.
73 De Paul
:(
And why did you folks allow this to happen? :confused:
From a conservative standpoint it is clear the essence of the universe is Gun. Gun created the heavens and the earth. Gun created man. Gun is more important than food, clothing, health care or shelter. Gun is sacred. Gun is all and all is Gun. When Gun created man Gun said, thou shalt worship , possess, and seek me above al things be they body or temporal.
John,
Why do you hate America?
w7lpn
03-24-2008, 05:05 PM
If an armed criminal breaks into my home, attacks someone, attempts to use his weapon in my presence to commit a criminal act, it won't matter what the law says. He will briefly hear a Bang! Bang! Then all the "Deciders" can get together & argue about the details, but he won't be there to cry about how unfair it all is.... Oh know!? Did he really say that!? :eek:
ve2nsm
03-24-2008, 05:09 PM
He will briefly hear a Bang! Bang!
Almost covered by the YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAW :rolleyes:
n2ize
03-24-2008, 05:19 PM
One common reason why criminals break into homes where the owner has guns ? To steal the guns. I know one avid gun worshipper who swore that if any lowlife dares to enter his premises his guns will immediatly spring into action and the perpetrators life will come to an abrupt finale.
Well, one day some lowlife DID break in. But Rambo wasn't home. The crooks stole his guns. All of them. And the crooks got away scott free.
Those guns really sprang into action. Right into the perps hands and right out into the black market.
One common reason why criminals break into homes where the owner has guns ? To steal the guns. I know one avid gun worshipper who swore that if any lowlife dares to enter his premises his guns will immediatly spring into action and the perpetrators life will come to an abrupt finale.
Well, one day some lowlife DID break in. But Rambo wasn't home. The crooks stole his guns. All of them. And the crooks got away scott free.
Those guns really sprang into action. Right into the perps hands and right out into the black market.
Put 'em in a gun safe (like you're supposed to do) and this won't happen...
ve2nsm
03-24-2008, 05:49 PM
Put 'em in a gun safe (like you're supposed to do) and this won't happen...
Just make sure that when a crook comes in he gives you some time to get the key for your safe.
WB2WIK
03-24-2008, 06:00 PM
Just make sure that when a crook comes in he gives you some time to get the key for your safe.
::That was cute!;)
Here locally there was a collector who had a fabulous gun safe -- it weighed "tons," as the good ones do. Makes it a difficult item to steal.
However the theives were resourceful. They had enough manpower and tools to cut the bolts holding it to the concrete, then lift the safe off the ground, load it onto a forklift and up the ramps into the waiting truck. The police estimated (newspaper interviews) all this happened in less than fifteen minutes, while the homeowners were away.
The alarm system had been defeated by cutting the main telephone trunk line a block away. They knew what they were doing. They got away even before the telco guys showed up, which was quickly.
No way to protect a valuable collection, especially if anybody knows you have it.
WB2WIK/6
KB9BVN
03-24-2008, 06:24 PM
Well I feel that we should be able to carry firearms if its regulated.
I dont like the states that just an psycho can pick a tec-9 at their local gun shop. Well screened applicants that can pass a psyc exam would be acceptable.
This may seem like limited freedom but its just my thoughts.
Which states allow what you describe? Be specific.
::That was cute!;)
Here locally there was a collector who had a fabulous gun safe -- it weighed "tons," as the good ones do. Makes it a difficult item to steal.
However the theives were resourceful. They had enough manpower and tools to cut the bolts holding it to the concrete, then lift the safe off the ground, load it onto a forklift and up the ramps into the waiting truck. The police estimated (newspaper interviews) all this happened in less than fifteen minutes, while the homeowners were away.
The alarm system had been defeated by cutting the main telephone trunk line a block away. They knew what they were doing. They got away even before the telco guys showed up, which was quickly.
No way to protect a valuable collection, especially if anybody knows you have it.
WB2WIK/6
Which only proves that there is no such thing as "theft proof".
One of my friends suffered a breakin at home. His guns were in his safe. The thieves broke off the dial of the combination lock, and broke the handle off the door. They didn't gain access to the safe, which was properly bolted down to the concrete using bolts inside the safe so they couldn't be accessed. So they didn't get the safe either.
Took a locksmith 9 hours to gain entry to the safe after the handle was broken off. The death toll to drill bits was extemely high.
If an armed criminal breaks into my home, attacks someone, attempts to use his weapon in my presence to commit a criminal act, it won't matter what the law says. He will briefly hear a Bang! Bang! Then all the "Deciders" can get together & argue about the details, but he won't be there to cry about how unfair it all is.... Oh know!? Did he really say that!? :eek:
Sorry that you want an armed criminal to shoot you and temporarily go deaf from the sound.
K8MHZ
03-24-2008, 06:53 PM
Put 'em in a gun safe (like you're supposed to do) and this won't happen...
Or better yet, buy a gun safe, keep it in plain view, lock it up empty and hide the guns somewhere very hard to find and tell no one where they are.
WB2WIK
03-24-2008, 08:54 PM
Or better yet, buy a gun safe, keep it in plain view, lock it up empty and hide the guns somewhere very hard to find and tell no one where they are.
::Sounds like a good suggestion. I'd go one step farther, perhaps. Wire the lock safe so when it's opened, it explodes with permanent blue dye (or something similar) so the idiot who opened it will be easier to find for the next several weeks -- similar to what banks do with bills set aside specifically for bank robbers.
Anyone have an RV? Some of those blue packets they dump down the holding tank would work nicely.
Jokes on you though if you forget what you did with the safe
:eek::eek:
kf6rdn
04-01-2008, 03:29 AM
And why did you folks allow this to happen? :confused:
Perhaps gradually, the same way it's happening here..
First they ban some generic "type" of gun, call it something dastardly sounding, like "Assault rifle", then ban a certain size caliber, then a clip with a certain number of rounds til you're left with only being able to own a nerfed pea shooter.
KC2PBJ
04-01-2008, 11:28 PM
::A place that "bands" firearms? Does this mean they slip a rubber band around each one?
You've gotta watch out with those rubber band guns. You'll shoot your eye out!
I always travel armed ---------- usually with a Yaesu 7100
Allows me to shoot off my mouth anytime someone yells CQ
(After all this is an Amateur Radio site ---- have to include something radio related some place in this threat)
kk7ue
04-02-2008, 12:07 AM
From a conservative standpoint it is clear the essence of the universe is Gun. Gun created the heavens and the earth. Gun created man. Gun is more important than food, clothing, health care or shelter. Gun is sacred. Gun is all and all is Gun. When Gun created man Gun said, thou shalt worship , possess, and seek me above al things be they body or temporal.
From a conservative standpoint it is clear you havent a clue and should be severely humiliated, repeatedly. Rly