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LIBERAL
: a person who is liberal: as
a: one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways
b capitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party
c: an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights
LIBERALISM
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard
c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
NOTICE - the word "Socialist" is not in this definition. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism)
So where's the word "Socialist"?
:rolleyes:
KW4MW
03-20-2008, 06:45 PM
archaic usagea: one who is open-minded
Liberals used to be open minded to stupidity, but that indeed is an arcane use of the word nowadays.
Liberals usually stick to boring things like facts, thought processes, and procedures.
Not open minded to stupidity or socialism as many right wingers are.
One who is open minded
2008 QRZ Clarification -- as long as you don't disagree with them :D
KB9YCO
03-20-2008, 11:44 PM
Here are the definitions of what the word liberal for the most part originally meant (keeping in mind that many of the politicians that are called liberal are usually anything but.) I even used to use part of this as my signature here.
liberal: favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression.
free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant.
open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
That's what the word initially meant, but thanks to much of the media (supposedly a liberal media, what a joke) the label of LIBERAL has somehow been twisted into an extremist category that is usually anything but liberal. Of course, the so-called conservative in the White House over the last 7 years hasn't exactly acted conservatively either, so the labels are inaccurately thrown around and really don't apply or match up. Bush is about as conservative as Tipper Gore and her censorship campaign. Basically, the words have lost their initial meanings, that is for most people obvious.
kf6rdn
03-21-2008, 12:07 AM
NOTICE - the word "Socialist" is not in this definition. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism)
So where's the word "Socialist"?
:rolleyes:
Of course not... This is the LIBERALLY ABRIDGED version!
BAHA!
:D
:p
Liberal, example, not in the dictionary.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printindividualProfile.asp?indid=781
n2ize
03-21-2008, 01:36 PM
Liberal, example, not in the dictionary.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printindividualProfile.asp?indid=781
For shame. Another person who didn't support the corrupt wars and the policies that led to them.
Liberal, example, not in the dictionary.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printindividualProfile.asp?indid=781
He is the poster boy for Anti-American.
KC4HGH
03-21-2008, 04:41 PM
Ahem...see my post under "Socialism" and see why many people associate liberalism to socialism.
...and may the troll go back under his bridge....
Of course not... This is the LIBERALLY ABRIDGED version!
BAHA!
:D
:p
Check the link. It is exactly as in the dictionary. Or are you saying that Merriam-Webster is LIBERAL?
n2ize
03-22-2008, 08:22 AM
Ahem...see my post under "Socialism" and see why many people associate liberalism to socialism.
...and may the troll go back under his bridge....
We did, but it proved nothing except that you can connect two propositions, the first of which remains the same and can be true or false, the second of which is indeterminate by itself, with an if-then implication.
The modern LEFT, not in the dictionary.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Defining%20the%20Left%20-%20tampa.htm
We did, but it proved nothing except that you can connect two propositions, the first of which remains the same and can be true or false, the second of which is indeterminate by itself, with an if-then implication.
You can't argue with a religious fanatic. Just ask the people on those two planes that slammed into the World Trade Center.
:eek:
The modern LEFT, not in the dictionary.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Defining%20the%20Left%20-%20tampa.htm
Yes, unlike your links whicha are always opinion, the dictionary holds to a higher standard Sparky.
Yes, unlike your links whicha are always opinion, the dictionary holds to a higher standard Sparky.
I have a Webster's dictionary and it says:
a. liberal, "Holding, expressing or following political views or policies that support civil liberties, democratic reforms, and use of government power to promote social programs."
Note the use of the words, government power.
b. Liberal, "Of designating or belonging to a political party that advocates liberal social or political views, esp. in the United States, Great Britain, and Canada."
Note the countries mentioned
It also says, "Morally unrestrained: LICENTIOUS, Morally undisciplined or sexually unrestrained. 2. Having no regard for accepted rules or standards.
I have a Webster's dictionary and it says:
a. liberal, "Holding, expressing or following political views or policies that support civil liberties, democratic reforms, and use of government power to promote social programs."
Note the use of the words, government power.
b. Liberal, "Of designating or belonging to a political party that advocates liberal social or political views, esp. in the United States, Great Britain, and Canada."
Note the countries mentioned
It also says, "Morally unrestrained: LICENTIOUS, Morally undisciplined or sexually unrestrained. 2. Having no regard for accepted rules or standards.
Link to it. Otherwise all we have is your word, and based on your previous posts that ain't worth a cowpie.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 05:30 PM
Main Entry:
1lib·er·al Listen to the pronunciation of 1liberal
Pronunciation:
\ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lēodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
Date:
14th century
1 a: of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> barchaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a: marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver>
b: given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal>
c: ample, full
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
4: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
5: broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism
b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
— lib·er·al·ly Listen to the pronunciation of liberally \-b(ə-)rə-lē\ adverb
— lib·er·al·ness noun
synonyms liberal, generous, bountiful, munificent mean giving or given freely and unstintingly. liberal suggests openhandedness in the giver and largeness in the thing or amount given <a teacher liberal with her praise>. generous stresses warmhearted readiness to give more than size or importance of the gift <a generous offer of help>. bountiful suggests lavish, unremitting giving or providing <children spoiled by bountiful presents>. munificent suggests a scale of giving appropriate to lords or princes <a munificent foundation grant>.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary
Seems his was a definition of "pick & choose". Numbers 6a & 6b, which he obviously referenced, were the LAST and least recognized use of the term.
Lies, distortion, selective quotes, spin, and deceit ... all hallmarks of the New World Order Conservative.
Note that I, unlike others, included the full text of the definition offered by Webster. This is significant.
He offers only another cowpie, John!
n2ize
03-22-2008, 05:47 PM
I have a Webster's dictionary and it says:
a. liberal, "Holding, expressing or following political views or policies that support civil liberties, democratic reforms, and use of government power to promote social programs."
Note the use of the words, government power.
b. Liberal, "Of designating or belonging to a political party that advocates liberal social or political views, esp. in the United States, Great Britain, and Canada."
Note the countries mentioned
It also says, "Morally unrestrained: LICENTIOUS, Morally undisciplined or sexually unrestrained. 2. Having no regard for accepted rules or standards.
Lots of words have different meanings depending on the contexts in which they are applied. Of course being an educated English speaking person you are probably aware of this. If not then you must have missed more than one class.
Take the word "conservative" for example. One definition describes a "person who is opposed to change or innovation". Taking that one definition selectively and leaving out all the others implies that a conservative is probably against science, against learning, against any form of societal advancement whether it be beneficial or not and, most likely, a person who would have been opposed to the American revolution preferring to remain an English colony.
kf6rdn
03-22-2008, 05:53 PM
Check the link. It is exactly as in the dictionary. Or are you saying that Merriam-Webster is LIBERAL?
Check the "baha", and the smileys and go check your sense of humor.
Link to it. Otherwise all we have is your word, and based on your previous posts that ain't worth a cowpie.
Link...hard to link the the Webster's II New Riverside University Dictionary on my desk. I suppose they didn't have that one where you went to school.
But you might check the Unabridged version if you know what a book is.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary
Seems his was a definition of "pick & choose". Numbers 6a & 6b, which he obviously referenced, were the LAST and least recognized use of the term.
Lies, distortion, selective quotes, spin, and deceit ... all hallmarks of the New World Order Conservative.
Note that I, unlike others, included the full text of the definition offered by Webster. This is significant.
He offers only another cowpie, John!
I learned to pick and choose from you. However if you will check the first defination in the dictionary I quoted, you will find it. Might ought to invest in a book rather than a revisionist version on line.
Lots of words have different meanings depending on the contexts in which they are applied. Of course being an educated English speaking person you are probably aware of this. If not then you must have missed more than one class.
Take the word "conservative" for example. One definition describes a "person who is opposed to change or innovation". Taking that one definition selectively and leaving out all the others implies that a conservative is probably against science, against learning, against any form of societal advancement whether it be beneficial or not and, most likely, a person who would have been opposed to the American revolution preferring to remain an English colony.
Trying to avoid the subject by changing it to something else?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary
Seems his was a definition of "pick & choose". Numbers 6a & 6b, which he obviously referenced, were the LAST and least recognized use of the term.
Lies, distortion, selective quotes, spin, and deceit ... all hallmarks of the New World Order Conservative.
Note that I, unlike others, included the full text of the definition offered by Webster. This is significant.
He offers only another cowpie, John!
He sounds a lot like MAnn Coulter.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:19 PM
I learned to pick and choose from you. However if you will check the first defination in the dictionary I quoted, you will find it. Might ought to invest in a book rather than a revisionist version on line.
What year is the dictionary? There is a library 1.5 miles up the street. I'll see if they have a copy of that particular vintage.
I know you seem to consider modern resources as archaic and untruthful, but you should either use the spell checker in your browser (you aren't using IE, are you?), or put that good book to use. You have a big, fat typo above.
I offered the entire definition by Webster. How, in your right wingoverse, do you determine that I did the NeoKon "pick and choose"? I'd love to hear your counterclockwise spin on this one ...
He sounds a lot like MAnn Coulter.
And you sound a lot like Bill Mare, oops, maher. Can't keep it together.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:20 PM
And you sound a lot like Bill Mare, oops, maher. Can't keep it together.
Did you ever get around to the bin Laden question I had for you from another thread? You're not using the ol' NeoKon "dodge", is ya?
What year is the dictionary? There is a library 1.5 miles up the street. I'll see if they have a copy of that particular vintage.
I know you seem to consider modern resources as archaic and untruthful, but you should either use the spell checker in your browser (you aren't using IE, are you?), or put that good book to use. You have a big, fat typo above.
I offered the entire definition by Webster. How, in your right wingoverse, do you determine that I did the NeoKon "pick and choose"? I'd love to hear your counterclockwise spin on this one ...
ISBN 0-395-33957-X (thumb index, trade edition)
or just for you:
0-395-37928-8 (high school edition)
I consider that there is a lot of specious information on the web.
Also I didn't use all the definitions because there are so many. You can read them for yourself Luke.
or just for you
n2ize
03-22-2008, 06:31 PM
I learned to pick and choose from you. However if you will check the first defination in the dictionary I quoted, you will find it. Might ought to invest in a book rather than a revisionist version on line.
Merriam-Webster is "revisionist" ?? Huh ? :eek::eek:
Then you had better burn that "New College Riverside edition" that you have because that is just another liberal revisionist Merriam-Webster product.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:33 PM
ISBN 0-395-33957-X (thumb index, trade edition)
or just for you:
0-395-37928-8 (high school edition)
I consider that there is a lot of specious information on the web.
Also I didn't use all the definitions because there are so many. You can read them for yourself Luke.
or just for you
Interesting that you bring that up at this particular time ...
n2ize
03-22-2008, 06:34 PM
Trying to avoid the subject by changing it to something else?
No, I just got the impression you were having some trouble getting that shiny new Merriam-Websters liberal college revisionist dictionary to work properly. d.
ISBN 0-395-33957-X (thumb index, trade edition)
or just for you:
0-395-37928-8 (high school edition)
I consider that there is a lot of specious information on the web.
Also I didn't use all the definitions because there are so many. You can read them for yourself Luke.
or just for you
Of course there is. The problem with that veiled allegation is that the dictionary site that I quoted, IS the OFFICIAL MERRIAM-WEBSTER site. Oddly enough, in mentioning:
3obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
...which is why it isn't up there. It's OBSOLETE. No longer in use.
Why does yours say the US? This one says England, and that's why I didn't mention that either. See, we're talking about the US.
Seems to me to be a JO cowpie eruption.:p
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:35 PM
No, I just got the impression you were having some trouble getting that shiny new Merriam-Websters liberal college revisionist dictionary to work properly. d.
Bwaaaaaaaaaa!
Also for you who doubt.
From Webster's New International Dictionary
Second Edition
Unabridged.
Def. #4 Free from restraint; uncontrolled; unchecked; hence regardless of legal or moral restraints; licentious.
Archaic: "Most like a liberal villain"
Def. #7 Not bound by authority, orthodox tenants, or established forms in political or religious philosophy, independent in opinion; not consecrative; often, specif., having tendency toward democratic or republican as distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal thinkers; adopted as a designation of political parties in some countries , notably, England.
You really should read more books.
Also for you who doubt.
From Webster's New International Dictionary
Second Edition
Unabridged.
Def. #4 Free from restraint; uncontrolled; unchecked; hence regardless of legal or moral restraints; licentious.
Archaic: "Most like a liberal villain"
Def. #7 Not bound by authority, orthodox tenants, or established forms in political or religious philosophy, independent in opinion; not consecrative; often, specif., having tendency toward democratic or republican as distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal thinkers; adopted as a designation of political parties in some countries , notably, England.
You really should read more books.
You really should get some real dictionaries. Preferably written after 1674. Right now we have not seen one verifiable source except for your posts which can not be taken seriously, anymore than anyone else's here sans reputable source.
Scan it, find it on the web, but make your point rather than prove your pointless, man. Anyone can fling cowpies, it takes a bit of time and thought to prove your point tho.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:49 PM
Also for you who doubt.
From Webster's New International Dictionary
Second Edition
Unabridged.
Def. #4 Free from restraint; uncontrolled; unchecked; hence regardless of legal or moral restraints; licentious.
Archaic: "Most like a liberal villain"
Def. #7 Not bound by authority, orthodox tenants, or established forms in political or religious philosophy, independent in opinion; not consecrative; often, specif., having tendency toward democratic or republican as distinguished from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal thinkers; adopted as a designation of political parties in some countries , notably, England.
You really should read more books.
Offer #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and any additional definitions. Otherwise, you continue to prove my point that you pick and choose. I need no further redemption in this area. :cool:
Of course there is. The problem with that veiled allegation is that the dictionary site that I quoted, IS the OFFICIAL MERRIAM-WEBSTER site. Oddly enough, in mentioning:
3obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious
...which is why it isn't up there. It's OBSOLETE. No longer in use.
Why does yours say the US? This one says England, and that's why I didn't mention that either. See, we're talking about the US.
Seems to me to be a JO cowpie eruption.:p
So only your definitions are valid? I don't think so. Obsolete; no longer is use.
The definition changed from just England to include the US and Canada.
This type of thinking is exactly why liberals have trouble communicating their thoughts clearly or effectively to others, by construing the meaning to what they choose rather than a universal source.
Offer #'s 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, and any additional definitions. Otherwise, you continue to prove my point that you pick and choose. I need no further redemption in this area. :cool:
Luke the other definitions do not apply to politics, the subject at hand. The word is applied in other venues which were not reporduced.
ad4mg
03-22-2008, 06:55 PM
–adjective
1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
2. (often initial capital letter) noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism.
4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
6. of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
7. free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.
8. open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
9. characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.
10. given freely or abundantly; generous: a liberal donation.
11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule.
12. of, pertaining to, or based on the liberal arts.
13. of, pertaining to, or befitting a freeman.
–noun
14. a person of liberal principles or views, esp. in politics or religion.
15. (often initial capital letter) a member of a liberal party in politics, esp. of the Liberal party in Great Britain.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal
Definitions from at least 3 other dictionaries are offered at the same location.
Offered, again, without any omissions. Brilliant!
So only your definitions are valid? I don't think so.
IN THIS CONTEXT? YES THEY ARE. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES HERE THAT HAVE BEEN SOURCED TO A REPUTABLE SITE. UNTIL YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE ONLY YOUR WORD SPARKY. AND THE WAY YOU CARRY ON, THAT JUST MEANS YOU'VE GIVEN US YET ANOTHER COWPIE RATHER THAN PROOF.
LANGUAGE CHANGES. LOOK AT THE WORD "GAY". ANYTHING I'VE POSTED HERE CAN BE CHECKED AT ANY TIME BY CLICKING THE LINK.
LOOK SPARKY, EVERYTIME SOMEONE LIBERAL SAYS SOMETHING HERE, WE ARE ASKED TO BACK IT UP WITH A LINK. THEN IT IS IGNORED EVEN THOUGH PROVEN. WE ARE ASKING NO LESS FROM YOU. LIBERALS TEND TO STICK TO THE FACTS. NEOKONS WILL BLOW US EVERY LIE FROM UNDER EVERY ROCK AND SWEAR TO GOD IT'S TRUE. GIVE ME SOME FACTS OR LUMP IT.
BACK IT UP BY LINKING OR SULK, I DON'T REALLY CARE. UNTIL THEN, MY DEFINITION IS BACKED UP WITH A REPUTABLE SOURCE ANYBODY HERE CAN GO TO. ANYTIME. UNLIKE YOURS.:cool:
IN THIS CONTEXT? YES THEY ARE. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES HERE THAT HAVE BEEN SOURCED TO A REPUTABLE SITE. UNTIL YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE ONLY YOUR WORD SPARKY. AND THE WAY YOU CARRY ON, THAT JUST MEANS YOU'VE GIVEN US YET ANOTHER COWPIE RATHER THAN PROOF.
LANGUAGE CHANGES. LOOK AT THE WORD "GAY". ANYTHING I'VE POSTED HERE CAN BE CHECKED AT ANY TIME BY CLICKING THE LINK.
LOOK SPARKY, EVERYTIME SOMEONE LIBERAL SAYS SOMETHING HERE, WE ARE ASKED TO BACK IT UP WITH A LINK. THEN IT IS IGNORED EVEN THOUGH PROVEN. WE ARE ASKING NO LESS FROM YOU. LIBERALS TEND TO STICK TO THE FACTS. NEOKONS WILL BLOW US EVERY LIE FROM UNDER EVERY ROCK AND SWEAR TO GOD IT'S TRUE. GIVE ME SOME FACTS OR LUMP IT.
BACK IT UP BY LINKING OR SULK, I DON'T REALLY CARE. UNTIL THEN, MY DEFINITION IS BACKED UP WITH A REPUTABLE SOURCE ANYBODY HERE CAN GO TO. ANYTIME. UNLIKE YOURS.:cool:
Get out of your chair and look up the books...what a foolish answer from a lazy backwards thinking person. Don't put all your eggs in one basket (definitation; the web), beside I have found over the months giving you facts is like feeding hay to a cow and we all know what the results are.
And you are wrong, language does not change, definitions do not change, they simply are adapted such as your example, Gay.
Get out of your chair and look up the books...what a foolish answer from a lazy backwards thinking person. Don't put all your eggs in one basket (definitation; the web), beside I have found over the months giving you facts is like feeding hay to a cow and we all know what the results are.
And you are wrong, language does not change, definitions do not change, they simply are adapted such as your example, Gay.
Nice try a deflection Cowpie Boy. The Merriam-Webster on the web is the same as the Merriam-Webster in the store. Still can't back it up eh? Language sure does change. I can remember when Liberals were thought to be the problem. Heck, "Liberal" was an insult. Now we know that the word NeoKons is. Of course, Liberal was a deliberate attempt to smear that didn't work. NeoKons have made their own bed.
Language does change. In fact Yankee was an insult meted out to Colonial Americans by the British. And some Confederates tried to revive that. Both ended up losers and I'm proud to be American and a Yankee. Heck, the professional team with the most wins in any sport are the Yankees.
Words change their meaning all the time. Look how Socialist meant Liberal to all the neokkons. Now we find that their founder is a Commie Socialist.
See, the problem with neokkons is that it's only a fact if they agree with it. It can be opinion, a slur, a rumor, but God knows it won't be in the press or an encyclopedia or a dictionary. Because then they'd have to deal with the reality that they're a bunch of loser jerks that can't tell up from down without Rush or O'Reilly.
Obsolete. Know what that means or do I have to post that definition too? Since in your mind language doesn't change, have a GAY day.
BWAAHHAHAHAHAHA
:cool:
AE6IP
03-22-2008, 08:01 PM
The only thing sillier than dictionary wars in a debate is believing that you can label a large group of people with similar but differing goals with a single word.
Context is critical, and in this instance, the context is political stance, and the comparison is liberal to conservative.
It is grotesque to claim that anyone who is liberal is automatically evil and 'hates america', just as it is grotesque to claim that anyone who is conservative is automatically evil and 'wishes to destroy.'
The liberal view in politics is simply a willingness to try new remedies for problems. The conservative view is merely a desire to preserve what has worked in the past. Neither view has ever died out because both have strengths and weaknesses.
But this country is in dire danger now, not from 'liberals' or 'conservatives', but from individuals who prefer to demonize and polarize. We our at a juncture in our history where thoughtful dicourse is demanded, but instead we have the useless name calling that so often characterizes these threads.
The United States is on the brink of a disaster, and if it fails, it will fail not because of -isms, but because of an almost total breakdown of discourse.
Nice try a deflection Cowpie Boy. The Merriam-Webster on the web is the same as the Merriam-Webster in the store. Still can't back it up eh? Language sure does change. I can remember when Liberals were thought to be the problem. Heck, "Liberal" was an insult. Now we know that the word NeoKons is. Of course, Liberal was a deliberate attempt to smear that didn't work. NeoKons have made their own bed.
Language does change. In fact Yankee was an insult meted out to Colonial Americans by the British. And some Confederates tried to revive that. Both ended up losers and I'm proud to be American and a Yankee. Heck, the professional team with the most wins in any sport are the Yankees.
Words change their meaning all the time. Look how Socialist meant Liberal to all the neokkons. Now we find that their founder is a Commie Socialist.
See, the problem with neokkons is that it's only a fact if they agree with it. It can be opinion, a slur, a rumor, but God knows it won't be in the press or an encyclopedia or a dictionary. Because then they'd have to deal with the reality that they're a bunch of loser jerks that can't tell up from down without Rush or O'Reilly.
Obsolete. Know what that means or do I have to post that definition too? Since in your mind language doesn't change, have a GAY day.
BWAAHHAHAHAHAHA
:cool:
How about this, Obsolete; No longer in use (P.S. that is the first definition), which only means it is not in common use. Valid is another of your assertions, and all definitions are valid whether commonly used or not.
And whatever you do, don't bring up the press, poor grammar everywhere and incorrect pronunciation where ever you go. Come to think of it, that may be where you are finding some of this.
And I am having a gay day, sweetie.
n2ize
03-22-2008, 09:35 PM
Okay, lay it to rest guys. I found the most authoritative dictionary of all. This dictionary tells you exactly what the word "neocon means".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon
n4sva
03-22-2008, 09:43 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=libturd
Okay, lay it to rest guys. I found the most authoritative dictionary of all. This dictionary tells you exactly what the word "neocon means".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon
Love it John, define your own word. Wonder if they have a Rural version? :confused:
n4sva
03-22-2008, 09:50 PM
From same dictionary, :-)
SOCIALIST:
A socialist, in democratic, capitalistic, western countries, is a person who was, more often than not, raised in a white, middle class family and adopts a socialistic political world view to vent the guilt felt by such an upbringing. This cathartic measure is a form of psychological flagellation and an attempt to identify with poorer people and countries. The socialist realizes that the hand they were dealt was not contingent on there being "special" but lucky.
The socialist then projects their insecurity's on the great
"father figure" of the USA. In doing so they concentrate there hatred of America by villainizing and inventing "facts" and "events" while ignoring real problems outside of there scope of focus, revealing there motives to be far from objective.
The socialist will spend endless time, money and effort
protesting tedious trivialities about the USA, such as trade laws or political meetings, and conveniently ignore tragedies occurring as they protest, such as massacres in Africa promoted by Muslims and Despots, or vicious sectarian rivalries across the Middle East.
The socialist ignores these nasty facts about the world because they were not, in some way, connected to the USA.
The lack of any real connection to their “pet issues” and the USA does not always stop their wonderfully specious logic from drawing a connection. This also extends their putting a spin on historical events, or a complete revision of history itself. A good example of the above is the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, now, it appears, that this was an act of terrorism and imperialism, rather than an ugly act of a very ugly war.
Liberal Fascism, not in the dictionary.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=CC77B7CE-79A2-460D-9E1B-9C2C4E5E76F6
KB9YCO
03-25-2008, 05:40 PM
Liberal Fascism, not in the dictionary.
That would be because those concepts are contradictory. You can't be liberal and be fascist at the same time. Apparently the moron author that you linked to hasn't read a dictionary either, kind of sad for someone that is supposed to be a writer. (Nice try though.)
Refresher course on what a true political liberal would be:
liberal: favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression.
open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=libturd
Good find there Chrissy.
Obsolete No Longer in Use, does NOT mean no longer in common use.
Once again, we have the neokon version as opposed to the definition. And it is not the same.
Obsolete No Longer in Use, does NOT mean no longer in common use.
Once again, we have the neokon version as opposed to the definition. And it is not the same.
Why not, you seem to either make up definitions or draw on sources that fit your argument.
n2ize
03-25-2008, 08:52 PM
Obsolete No Longer in Use, does NOT mean no longer in common use.
Once again, we have the neokon version as opposed to the definition. And it is not the same.
You don't get it. "Obsolete" means "current" in neospeak. Thus to say , "the usage is obsolete" means "it is in common use" in neospeak.
Why not, you seem to either make up definitions or draw on sources that fit your argument.
No, like my news, I get them from reputable sources. Why don't you find one to counter what I've written?
A) Oh, right, there can only be one definition.
B) Whatever it is, you don't like it so it must be wrong.
C) If I post it, you are certain it's wrong no matter what.
How many times are you going to cry that the world isn't fair and that reality is Liberal? Reality may bite, but there really is only the accepted definition(s) and you really don't have to like it. Go complain to Noah Webster. I'm certain he was a dirty Libby, just like all those founding fathers.
Why not, you seem to either make up definitions or draw on sources that fit your argument.
Try again Cowpie, they offer published definition and you offer unreferenced opinion.
Your deflections are just that, more attempt to distract from your untenable position.
This argument is about accepted published definition, and there you are trying to spin a new meaning on a predefined word.
Since you have a hard time understanding dictionary usage I will attempt to make this easy for you:
Obsolete means not in use, as in only morons pretending to be characters out of a Dickens novel would use the word in that manner.
Clear enough guv'na?
ad4mg
03-25-2008, 09:40 PM
Why not, you seem to either make up definitions or draw on sources that fit your argument.
Try again Cowpie, they offer published definition and you offer unreferenced opinion.
Your deflections are just that, more attempt to distract from your untenable position.
This argument is about accepted published definition, and there you are trying to spin a new meaning on a predefined word.
Since you have a hard time understanding dictionary usage I will attempt to make this easy for you:
Obsolete means not in use, as in only morons pretending to be characters out of a Dickens novel would use the word in that manner.
Clear enough guv'na?
Translation: He's running on empty. Neodudes frequently do that when presented with too many facts.
"The disgrace of Liberalism", not in the dictionary.
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_disgrace_of_liberalism.html
"The disgrace of Liberalism", not in the dictionary.
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_disgrace_of_liberalism.html
You can really find the messed up whack jobs.
Keep it up (because no one else will)
Translation: He's running on empty. Neodudes frequently do that when presented with too many facts.
You do this daily and cannot find a traditional definition that fits your views except on the street. Go for it, you and the illiterate elite.
You do this daily and cannot find a traditional definition that fits your views except on the street. Go for it, you and the illiterate elite.
Ooh, must've struck a chord with this one.
MG and I provide plenty of fact, you provide plenty of hot air.
BTW - the truth is to be had on the street, not by listening to Rush and pals.
ad4mg
03-27-2008, 10:57 PM
You do this daily and cannot find a traditional definition that fits your views except on the street. Go for it, you and the illiterate elite.
Are you stalking me, little fellow? I can make you my new hobby here. I am trying so hard to be nice and respectful, just like you and the other uber dudes.
You're becoming rather nasty about things. You are a very sensitive type, aren't you?
Have I invited you to the "Milk of Human Kindness" thread, where you can view all your little friends treating their peers with the utmost respect? You simply must visit there. I do not wish for anyone to think that you are any sort of hypocrite.
Please - enjoy your evening! :) :) :)
3 sunshine yellow smiley's for you, cupcake. You're special.
ad4mg
03-27-2008, 11:00 PM
Ooh, must've struck a chord with this one.
MG and I provide plenty of fact, you provide plenty of hot air.
BTW - the truth is to be had on the street, not by listening to Rush and pals.
Why, Todd, I think the little fellow is just going to mope and sulk all evening. And after all the effort I put into respecting my peers like I have, and literally dozens of little sunshine yellow smiley's, all in his honor. Some people have no appreciation. :) :) :)
Please have a very happy evening! :)
I like the new you, very pleasant and friendly to the potty mouths who try to make baby Jesus cry.
Reading your posts these days makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Cowpie,
Is this an example of your language prowess? Wonderful, just wonderful. I hope Luke taught you the meaning. The correct spelling is cow pie, even a rancher knows that. You might get out of the corral and find fresh air.
Is this an example of your language prowess? Wonderful, just wonderful. I hope Luke taught you the meaning. The correct spelling is cow pie, even a rancher knows that. You might get out of the corral and find fresh air.
Pretty pathetic try there junior.
Pretty pathetic try there junior.
Then tell me if you know the difference in a heifer and a bull?
ad4mg
03-28-2008, 01:00 AM
Then tell me if you know the difference in a heifer and a bull?
Wow. You sure put him in his place.
At least you didn't whine about it.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Wow. You sure put him in his place.
At least you didn't whine about it.
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I notice he didn't answer and you avoided the definition. Neither of you must not know anything about the composition of a cow pie.
ad4mg
03-28-2008, 01:48 AM
I notice he didn't answer and you avoided the definition. Neither of you must not know anything about the composition of a cow pie.
I'm neither a farmer or rancher. I do recall that a heifer is a young female cow. I've never followed them around to study their turds in detail. Maybe a bull deposits large turds, and a heifer small ones.
The remark you are hung on, "cow pie", wasn't used by me.
You're an odd individual. How long did you study cow turds?
KC2TCM
03-28-2008, 02:21 AM
"I was a liberal once... I was so open-minded my brains fell out."
"I was a liberal once... I was so open-minded my brains fell out."
Then that makes you a neokon. :D
Then tell me if you know the difference in a heifer and a bull?
What, a female bovine as opposed to a male bovine?
How about this one junior, what's the difference between socialism and communism?
I'm neither a farmer or rancher. I do recall that a heifer is a young female cow. I've never followed them around to study their turds in detail. Maybe a bull deposits large turds, and a heifer small ones.
The remark you are hung on, "cow pie", wasn't used by me.
You're an odd individual. How long did you study cow turds?
Cowpie seems thoroughly fascinated by his droppings.
KC2TCM
04-13-2008, 06:36 AM
I took the red pill.
Then that makes you a neokon. :D
LIBERAL, not in the dictionary.....
http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/the_democrats_recurring_nightm.html
What, a female bovine as opposed to a male bovine?
How about this one junior, what's the difference between socialism and communism?
We've covered that, check your dictionary. You also must have a short memory.
n2ize
04-14-2008, 06:59 PM
LIBERAL, not in the dictionary.....
Your article does raise some good about Obama's "bitterness" comment. Unfortunately your article says nothing about "liberalism".
We've covered that, check your dictionary. You also must have a short memory.
Cover it again, you got it wrong the first time.
Cover it again, you got it wrong the first time.
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.
Opinions are like noses, everyone has one.
Yup, and yours stinks to all the way over here!
N4VGB
04-15-2008, 03:57 PM
Yup, and yours stinks to all the way over here!
I just passed gas in FL and the wind is headed your way, breathe deep.:p:p:p
Liberal.....not in the dictionary.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402988_pf.html
n2ize
04-15-2008, 04:54 PM
Liberal.....not in the dictionary.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/14/AR2008041402988_pf.html
Neocon... not in the dictionary.
http://www.godhatesfags.com
Heck, fair is fair. If a school tag police = liberal then Phelps = all conservatives. Illogic deserves illogic.
"Raising the next generation of Jimmy Carters....funny.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/15/saving-schoolkids-from-the-tyranny-of-tag/?print=1
n2ize
04-15-2008, 06:22 PM
"Raising the next generation of Jimmy Carters....funny.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/15/saving-schoolkids-from-the-tyranny-of-tag/?print=1
The public schools are breeding a generation of bubble-wrapped ninnies who can’t do math, are terrorized by the honor roll, and prance around peace trees while the children of jihad perform preschool suicide bomber training exercises.
I'll bet those public school kids can do math far better and far beyond Michelle Malkin and probably well beyond half the QRZ community.
I'll bet those public school kids can do math far better and far beyond Michelle Malkin and probably well beyond half the QRZ community.
Yeah, and wasn't Michelle Malkin responsible for the global effect the "Malkin Minimum", or was she on "Malkin in the Middle" or was she any relation to Malkin X? Was she ever on the farm, Malkin the Cow, or Malkin Balkin??
w2amr
04-15-2008, 06:46 PM
I just passed gas in FL and the wind is headed your way, breathe deep.:p:p:p
Nice to see that you are capable of passing something. :p
Nice to see that you are capable of passing something. :p
You probably will never notice in NJ. :D
You probably will never notice in NJ. :D
Believe me. When VGB is capable of passing anything, the whole world knows it.
w2amr
04-15-2008, 08:39 PM
You probably will never notice in NJ. :D
Good point.
George, I noticed in your signature line that you are a member of the NX6D reinstatement. Has he been banned?
w2amr
04-15-2008, 11:50 PM
George, I noticed in your signature line that you are a member of the NX6D reinstatement. Has he been banned?
That's what they tell me.
N4VGB
04-16-2008, 10:24 PM
Nice to see that you are capable of passing something. :p
I also passed through TN, GA, AL and FL, legally carrying a firearm all the way! It's called "reciprocal licensing", Dan Wesson and I are happy campers. :p:p:p
KC2TCM
04-19-2008, 11:41 PM
I keep a map of all the states that my NY and PA permits are valid in. Planning on getting UT or FL.
KB2SEO
05-21-2008, 07:20 PM
NOTICE - the word "Socialist" is not in this definition. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism)
So where's the word "Socialist"?
:rolleyes:
It's not the word we are all worried about. it's the actions of two people so bent on gaining office, they have enlisted their marxist teachings- Words used like "re-distribution of wealth" and "Adjusting your income" that scares me
k9kxq
05-21-2008, 07:41 PM
It's not the word we are all worried about. it's the actions of two people so bent on gaining office, they have enlisted their marxist teachings- Words used like "re-distribution of wealth" and "Adjusting your income" that scares me
You wouldn't happen to go to any of those snake handling religious institutes in GA...
""THE MOST FRIGHTENING THING YOU CAN EVER HEAR IS SOMEONE SAYING" I AM WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND I AM HERE TO HELP"- RONALD REGAN"
Here let me fix this for you,"THE MOST FRIGHTENING THING YOU CAN EVER HEAR IS SOMEONE SAYING I AM WITH THE GOVERNMENT, AND I AM HERE TO HELP"- RONALD REAGAN
kxq
ea3feb
05-21-2008, 08:18 PM
:)Well said.
k9kxq
05-21-2008, 08:32 PM
:)Well said.
"Thank ya, Thank ya very much"- Elvis...
kxq
n2ize
05-21-2008, 08:49 PM
It's not the word we are all worried about. it's the actions of two people so bent on gaining office, they have enlisted their marxist teachings- Words used like "re-distribution of wealth" and "Adjusting your income" that scares me
Well, according to many of the conservative message boards we are a communist nation. There was a time that a middle ground of common sense in this country, where a person could feel that certain levels of social programs, public health, education, public libraries, and other societal institutions thorugh which society benefits and which suppliment the strictly private sector and help the nation to grow was considered rational and reasonable thinking for most Americans.
Nowadays, you're either an super ultra capitalist or an ultra communist. There is no longer any middle ground of sensibility or balance.