The 3803 Roundtable Group

[g4tut]

The 3803 Roundtable Group

We would like to invite fellow hams from other countries to join our Group any night of the week.

What started out as a simple Rag Chew amongst friends some months ago, has grown into what has now become known as The 3803 Roundtable Group.

With some 280 regular checkins and a staff of Net Control Stations numbering 13 at the present time, this is becoming the friendliest group in Ham Radio.

The group meets every evening on 3.803.0 mhz. +/- QRM/QRN at 11:00 PM EST till 12:00 AM EST Sun - Fri for 1 hour and on Saturday, "The Weekend Roundtable Net", which is a formal directed net, meets from 11:00PM EST till 1:30AM EST with an informal ragchew after every net.

"Friends is what it's about..."

"A good group is a group where everyone involved enjoys what they are doing." "Please stop by here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roundtable_group/ and stop by our nets on 3.803.00 Mhz and 'pull up a chair' " says Gary, AB9LF, who is the originator of the group. He can be reached for further comment at ab9lf@yahoo.com

The whole basic premise of this group is to bring some of the old-fashioned friendliness and fun back into ham radio.

Thank you and 73,

Greg, W8GCD
Group webmaster

The 3803 Roundtable Group







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[n0irs]

It seems that HAM radio today has turned into who can have the greatest number of checks-ins and the largest group. I have found that the larger the group the less chance for operators to talk freely and join in. By the numbers...well, folks usually don't hang around for hours until it is their turn to speak again, which is the format your group follows. The term "Roundtable" means "A meeting of peers for discussion and exchange of views". Since politics, religion and other topics should be avoided, I have to wonder what topics might be discussed? Smaller groups are usually much more productive and don't draw the attention of hecklers on the sidelines. Is it a "Group" or a "Net" or a "Group Net". The sad part is it becomes another gathering point for folks to tune up their amplifiers on top of other QSOs above and below your frequency and on the edge of the DX window..... Great! What HAM Radio needs today is a place where new General Class Operators can go to learn how to operate. Maybe teach them to stop using CB "Jargon" like "10-4", "Sitting on the side" and "I'm Going to Back It On Out". And that while all knobs to the right may be the way they do it on 11 meters it's not how to setup your audio on the Amatuer Bands. "ALC" what's that? And Oh, How about how to enter a conversation by using their Call Sign instead of "Break" and the ridiculous term "Contact". If three people all yell contact, how does one distinguish who's who. Who's this "W1AW" guy? I'm not against large groups or nets, but I am against the faliure of other HAMs today to correct operators proactively. Just my 2-Cents. Good Luck with your Roundtable". And thanks for using 73 not 73's or 73rd's. 73 means "Best Regards", not "Best Regardes".

[w8gcd]

I agree in part with you but, in the case of the Rountable Group, yes we do have checkins, mainly so we don't have anarchy on the air, but we are also trying to instill (Teach/Elmer) old fashoned operating principles into not only the seasoned operator but some one that has reciently upgraded to either a General or Extra, within a relaxed and friendly atmosphere, without them having to go through the reproach that alot of new hams run into on HF. In addition we have a technical commite, made up of voluntieer members of the group that are willing to help anyone out with those issues. Combine that with a good Rag Chew and you have, what you mentioned A Roundtable Group. So we have some hecklers on the frequency, just ignore them and they will either join in or go away. What they are looking for is attention, right, and if you don't give it to them they don't have anything to hang around for. Thanks for your comments and please join us any evening on 3.803.0 and see for yourself what the Roundtable Group is all about.

It seems that HAM radio today has turned into who can have the greatest number of checks-ins and the largest group. I have found that the larger the group the less chance for operators to talk freely and join in. By the numbers...well, folks usually don't hang around for hours until it is their turn to speak again, which is the format your group follows. The term "Roundtable" means "A meeting of peers for discussion and exchange of views". Since politics, religion and other topics should be avoided, I have to wonder what topics might be discussed? Smaller groups are usually much more productive and don't draw the attention of hecklers on the sidelines. Is it a "Group" or a "Net" or a "Group Net". The sad part is it becomes another gathering point for folks to tune up their amplifiers on top of other QSOs above and below your frequency and on the edge of the DX window..... Great! What HAM Radio needs today is a place where new General Class Operators can go to learn how to operate. Maybe teach them to stop using CB "Jargon" like "10-4", "Sitting on the side" and "I'm Going to Back It On Out". And that while all knobs to the right may be the way they do it on 11 meters it's not how to setup your audio on the Amatuer Bands. "ALC" what's that? And Oh, How about how to enter a conversation by using their Call Sign instead of "Break" and the ridiculous term "Contact". If three people all yell contact, how does one distinguish who's who. Who's this "W1AW" guy? I'm not against large groups or nets, but I am against the faliure of other HAMs today to correct operators proactively. Just my 2-Cents. Good Luck with your Roundtable". And thanks for using 73 not 73's or 73rd's. 73 means "Best Regards", not "Best Regardes".

[ai4ep]

just enjoy your privileges and have FUN with your radio.

simple & to the point.

[W5JO]

What is your reaction if the frequency is busy when you start the "net", roundtable or group?

[w8gcd]

We do the polite thing, as well as follow the FCC rules on this subject, and wait until the frequency is available. Some times we are not able to have the net at all but that is a rare occurrence. Hey we are here to have fun.
Thanks for your interest in the 3803 Roundtable group and you, as well as any one that wants to, are always welcome to "pull up a chair" and join us any night on 3.803.0 Mhz.
What is your reaction if the frequency is busy when you start the "net", Roundtable or group?

[N8PU]

Well with me working day shift getting up at 5:15 AM Eastern, the starting time for the net is a little late for so I'm afraid I won't be checking it out in the near future. :(

[k4kyv]

It seems that HAM radio today has turned into who can have the greatest number of checks-ins and the largest group... Maybe teach them to stop using CB "Jargon" like "10-4", "Sitting on the side" and "I'm Going to Back It On Out"... How about how to enter a conversation by using their Call Sign instead of "Break" and the ridiculous term "Contact" ...I am against the faliure of other HAMs today to correct operators proactively. Just my 2-Cents. Good Luck with your Roundtable". And thanks for using 73 not 73's or 73rd's. 73 means "Best Regards", not "Best Regardes".

Oh, and one more thing. It's ham radio, and the operators are called "hams",
not HAM radio or just HAM, and the operators are not "HAMS" or "H.A.M.'s".

[KI4LKP]

have a great day.

[ab9pf]

Hello Everyone

[KI4YTV]

a lot of other countries cant transmit above 3.800 on 80 meters,thats why you dont get many dx check-ins

[w4hv]

I have listened to your group. It is well directed and well done in a fun atmosphere. It is unfortunate that it is as close as it is to the DX window...Not that its too close for a well operated station, just for the fellow operating at least legal limit with a bit of that crappy essb and wide as the door on an aircraft hangar....Thanks for doing something fun with ham radio!

[AB8SG]

The very nature of 80 meters is such that DX propagation wouldn't be expected on a regular basis. 3800 and above allows general class operators access, and strictly speaking, if stations would respect the "DX" window, they shouldn't be transmitting above 3997 to stay within the window. 80 meters has acquired a stigma of rudeness and cliqishness that has turned off a lot of operators. We are trying hard to be friendly and respectful. No one is a stranger once they've checked in, and I hope everyone will stop by for a chat.
73

[K8SOR]

I'm like Dave. I get up at 05:20 to get ready for work. The net meets a little late for me. Maybe when I retire I can stay up later. Sounds like a fun bunch. 73 Skip

[w8gcd]

Hi Skip!
Hopefully ya'll be able to retire soon. Hi Hi If and when you have time we would welcome you at the Roundtable. 73, GregI'm like Dave. I get up at 05:20 to get ready for work. The net meets a little late for me. Maybe when I retire I can stay up later. Sounds like a fun bunch. 73 Skip

[k7duv]

I have checked into the net, but a little to far away to get into a rag chew. Nice people on that freq. UNLIKE the pompous arrogant $12,000 radio crowd. The 3803 guys remind me of the ham radio op of yesterday. keep it up guys and don't change! Ham radio is going in an ugly direction these days, you guys and other groups are doing a fine job of keeping it real..... 73s guys

[w8nbg]

I went to the website quoted and it said I wasnt a member and could not access. Why did you welcome us to it?

[w8gcd]

Hi Gene!

Nice looking aircraft and please accept my apologies as I had forgotten the site was closed, invitation only. Actually anyone that checks into the nitely group and supplies their email address is invited to join, just as I have sent you by email.

73,
Greg

[kl7aj]

The 3803 Roundtable Group

We would like to invite fellow hams from other countries to join our Group any night of the week.

What started out as a simple Rag Chew amongst friends some months ago, has grown into what has now become known as The 3803 Roundtable Group.

With some 280 regular checkins and a staff of Net Control Stations numbering 13 at the present time, this is becoming the friendliest group in Ham Radio.

The group meets every evening on 3.803.0 mhz. +/- QRM/QRN at 11:00 PM EST till 12:00 AM EST Sun - Fri for 1 hour and on Saturday, "The Weekend Roundtable Net", which is a formal directed net, meets from 11:00PM EST till 1:30AM EST with an informal ragchew after every net.

"Friends is what it's about..."

"A good group is a group where everyone involved enjoys what they are doing." "Please stop by here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roundtable_group/ and stop by our nets on 3.803.00 Mhz and 'pull up a chair' " says Gary, AB9LF, who is the originator of the group. He can be reached for further comment at ab9lf@yahoo.com

The whole basic premise of this group is to bring some of the old-fashioned friendliness and fun back into ham radio.

Thank you and 73,

Greg, W8GCD
Group webmaster

The 3803 Roundtable Group







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I'll certainly give it a shot. It's a good opportunity to burn the cobwebs off a part 75 meters I rarely use. (See old thread on "R.F. Ruts") :)

[HA5WF]

And what about HAMs kocated outside of frequency limit?

[n0irs]

Sounds to me like you have plenty of experience with CB ''jargon''.And also,where were all the good operating skills this past weekend.The bands were a complete mess with the contesting.split frequency and dru's.and thats my 2-cents.

My comments were not directed at any call sign or person by name. However you feel it's your right to attack what was merely an observation.Yes I have plenty of experience with "CB Jargon" I have over the past 18 months heard more and more of it being used on 20 and 80 meters. It's just breaking old habits. And yes the split stuff, heard it, turned it off and just spent my time on 144.200, 222.100 432.100 and 1296.100 bouncing signals off the frozen ground.

[n0irs]

I have listened to your group. It is well directed and well done in a fun atmosphere. It is unfortunate that it is as close as it is to the DX window...Not that its too close for a well operated station, just for the fellow operating at least legal limit with a bit of that crappy essb and wide as the door on an aircraft hangar....Thanks for doing something fun with ham radio! Someone didn't think very long before deciding to operate here. Guess it was the least crowed spot to them, for a very good reason.

[n0irs]

And what about HAMs kocated outside of frequency limit? Good point which was mentioned earlier in a post. Well they had good intentions but didn't check other countrioes band plans. Maybe they can figure out a change so they can include the very folks they intended to invite.

[AA5X]

Congratulations on your group, and I wish you pleasure and success. I do have one concern I'd like to express. The frequency you chose is very close to the top end of the DX window. Of course, DX signals are likely to be weaker than those from North America. My concerns involve the inevitable case of an operator who either doesn't know how or flat out refuses to control his transmitter or amplifier and QRMs any nearby DX stations. So, how will you handle this if someone asks you to QSY because a DX station is already transmitting? Will you comply with his request courteously, as your introductory statements suggest, or will you do as so many other "groups" and simply claim the frequency as your exclusive property?

[ab9lf]

Congratulations on your group, and I wish you pleasure and success. I do have one concern I'd like to express. The frequency you chose is very close to the top end of the DX window. Of course, DX signals are likely to be weaker than those from North America. My concerns involve the inevitable case of an operator who either doesn't know how or flat out refuses to control his transmitter or amplifier and QRMs any nearby DX stations. So, how will you handle this if someone asks you to QSY because a DX station is already transmitting? Will you comply with his request courteously, as your introductory statements suggest, or will you do as so many other "groups" and simply claim the frequency as your exclusive property?



Michael/AA5X,

Thank you for good wishes. Please stop by & check the group out.

As to your concern, we appreciate how close we are to the DX window. We hope that being near there will attract stations to visit the group. We strive to encourage stations to operate in a manner that does not occupy unnecessary bandwidth. Now occasionally a station may be too wide and we haven't noticed it. That's when we need stations on adjacent frequencies to tell us. This is how it should be on any frequency. Your concern is a fair question. What should we do when a DX station starts operating right on 3.800 MHz or higher while we our using 3803? Should we stop the net? We all have the privilege to operate our stations. I think you'll find there is no shortage of courtesy in our group and I hope you stop by and join us.

73
Gary
AB9LF

[AA5X]

Michael/AA5X,

Thank you for good wishes. Please stop by & check the group out.

As to your concern, we appreciate how close we are to the DX window. We hope that being near there will attract stations to visit the group. We strive to encourage stations to operate in a manner that does not occupy unnecesarry band width. Now occasionally a station may be too wide and we haven't noticed it. That's when we need stations on adjacent frequencies to tell us. This is how it should be on any frequency. Your concern is a fair question. What should we do when a DX station starts operating right on 3.800 MHz or higher while we our using 3803? Should we stop the net? We all have the privilege to operate our stations. I think you'll find there is no shortage of courtesy in our group and I hope you stop by and join us.

73
Gary
AB9LF


Thanks for the prompt and friendly reply, Gary, and also for the invitation. I have no reason to doubt that members of your group, at least to date, are amongst the most courteous in amateur radio. But your answer leads me to believe that I wasn't clear. My question wasn't about what you'd do if a DX station began operating on a nearby frequency when you already had the net under control. On that point, your answer is perfectly understandable and expected.

I was asking how net controllers and members would behave if someone reported that a DX station was already in operation on a nearby frequency before the net begins transmissions, and someone on the net was causing QRM. Will the net move up a bit? If not, why not? What if the offending station won't stop the QRM?

It has been my unfortunate experience to see (presumably) grown men behave like kindergarten brats over a fairly simple issue such as turning the dial a twitch or two. This phenomenon isn't restricted to the notorious 75-meter "old boys" clubs; it's practiced by DXers, contestors and simple ragchewers with about equal amounts of contrariness. I just hope that your group doesn't adopt the all-too-common "been here for (x) years; frequency is MINE" attitude.

[ab9lf]

Thanks for the prompt and friendly reply, Gary, and also for the invitation. I have no reason to doubt that members of your group, at least to date, are amongst the most courteous in amateur radio. But your answer leads me to believe that I wasn't clear. My question wasn't about what you'd do if a DX station began operating on a nearby frequency when you already had the net under control. On that point, your answer is perfectly understandable and expected.

I was asking how net controllers and members would behave if someone reported that a DX station was already in operation on a nearby frequency before the net begins transmissions, and someone on the net was causing QRM. Will the net move up a bit? If not, why not? What if the offending station won't stop the QRM?

It has been my unfortunate experience to see (presumably) grown men behave like kindergarten brats over a fairly simple issue such as turning the dial a twitch or two. This phenomenon isn't restricted to the notorious 75-meter "old boys" clubs; it's practiced by DXers, contestors and simple ragchewers with about equal amounts of contrariness. I just hope that your group doesn't adopt the all-too-common "been here for (x) years; frequency is MINE" attitude.


Michael/AA5X,

We will slide (and have) provided we are able to. A couple times we had to say "We will move as soon as we can.". And we did. It was 15 or so minutes before we had space to slide. I have heard the "MINE" attitude. This is a shame that after the phone segment expanded some elbows are still bumping into each other starting up 2 KHz away. Wasn't that way in the old days. All we are trying to do is move it back that direction one frequency at a time. On or about 3803. Stop in and help us Michael. I can tell we would enjoy you being there.

Have a great weekend &
73
Gary

[KQ6XA]

3803.0 kHz is out of band for General Class operators using Lower Sideband.

If you want your net or group to comply with FCC rules for General Class operators, you will need to move up to about 3803.5kHz or better yet, 3804kHz.

For General Class operators, the transmitted signal must be -26dBc down at 3800.0 kHz.

Most common ham radio transmitters are -26dBc at approximately 3.5 to 3.7kHz below the dial frequency on voice LSB.

As it stands, your net is OK only for Advanced and Extra Class operators.
Many General Class operators are violating the rules by simply checking into your net.

[N7YP]

YOUR GROUP IDEA IS OK,HOWEVER YOU PLACE YOURSELVES RIGHT IN THE NORMAL 5-10 RANGE OF MOST DX UP CALLS,HEARD YOUR SMART REMARKS TO TX5C CALLERS AND THINK IT WAS LOW CLASS OF YOUR SO CALLED GROUP CONTROLLERS TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN THAT POOR PRACTICE LAST NIGHT.MUCH OF THAT AND IT DEMEANS YOUR GENERAL CONCEPTION OF A CHECK IN GROUP AND GOES DOWN HILL,QRM REMARKS BELITTLES YOURSELVES SINCE YOU QRMed THE DX-PEDITION ON THEIR FREQ.HOPE YOU HAVE ALITTLE BETTER CONTROL OF YOUR EMOTIONS AS THEY WERE ON BEFORE YOU STARTED YOUR NET AND YOU WERE AWARE OF IT,FOR WHAT ITS WORTH GOOD LUCK,N7YP/JACK IN S.C.

[ab9pf]

Hello Everyone

[w1dpc]

It seems that HAM radio today has turned into who can have the greatest number of checks-ins and the largest group. I have found that the larger the group the less chance for operators to talk freely and join in. By the numbers...well, folks usually don't hang around for hours until it is their turn to speak again, which is the format your group follows. The term "Roundtable" means "A meeting of peers for discussion and exchange of views". Since politics, religion and other topics should be avoided, I have to wonder what topics might be discussed? Smaller groups are usually much more productive and don't draw the attention of hecklers on the sidelines. Is it a "Group" or a "Net" or a "Group Net". The sad part is it becomes another gathering point for folks to tune up their amplifiers on top of other QSOs above and below your frequency and on the edge of the DX window..... Great! What HAM Radio needs today is a place where new General Class Operators can go to learn how to operate. Maybe teach them to stop using CB "Jargon" like "10-4", "Sitting on the side" and "I'm Going to Back It On Out". And that while all knobs to the right may be the way they do it on 11 meters it's not how to setup your audio on the Amatuer Bands. "ALC" what's that? And Oh, How about how to enter a conversation by using their Call Sign instead of "Break" and the ridiculous term "Contact". If three people all yell contact, how does one distinguish who's who. Who's this "W1AW" guy? I'm not against large groups or nets, but I am against the faliure of other HAMs today to correct operators proactively. Just my 2-Cents. Good Luck with your Roundtable". And thanks for using 73 not 73's or 73rd's. 73 means "Best Regards", not "Best Regardes".


i have found that most of the "CB" language comes from advanced/extra class hams. who then blame everything wrong with ham radio from the so called "CB" gang. i have been a "CBer", also a ham for 19 years. now it seems that the general class ham is getting included with the cb gang. i dont use the cb language on the airwaves. folks before people start throwing rocks, take a look at your own operating tactics. are you operating properly? do you have your filters and freq set right? are you causing QRM? i try to make sure my equipment and operating practices are correct at all time.
i have not taken part of the 3803 group because of my living arrangements. i find nothing wrong with groups/nets on the airwaves. i have been a member of the 7255 net for years. they are fun and a great way to meet new hams. have fun on the air and just be yourself. thats what ham radio is really about.

[nw0p]

I am having trouble joining the Yahoo 3803 Roundtable Group. When I click on the link below it tells me I must be a member. How do I join? I can't find it when I do a search. Thank you! 73's Jeff NW0P

The 3803 Roundtable Group

We would like to invite fellow hams from other countries to join our Group any night of the week.

What started out as a simple Rag Chew amongst friends some months ago, has grown into what has now become known as The 3803 Roundtable Group.

With some 280 regular checkins and a staff of Net Control Stations numbering 13 at the present time, this is becoming the friendliest group in Ham Radio.

The group meets every evening on 3.803.0 mhz. +/- QRM/QRN at 11:00 PM EST till 12:00 AM EST Sun - Fri for 1 hour and on Saturday, "The Weekend Roundtable Net", which is a formal directed net, meets from 11:00PM EST till 1:30AM EST with an informal ragchew after every net.

"Friends is what it's about..."

"A good group is a group where everyone involved enjoys what they are doing." "Please stop by here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roundtable_group/ and stop by our nets on 3.803.00 Mhz and 'pull up a chair' " says Gary, AB9LF, who is the originator of the group. He can be reached for further comment at ab9lf@yahoo.com

The whole basic premise of this group is to bring some of the old-fashioned friendliness and fun back into ham radio.

Thank you and 73,

Greg, W8GCD
Group webmaster

The 3803 Roundtable Group







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