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KB1PRQ
03-01-2008, 04:35 PM
Since guns seem to be a popular topic around here I figured I'd stir the pot a little.....



The Anti-gun Male

By

Julia Gorin
As published at JewishWorldReview.com

LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable -- so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to masquerade squeamishness as grand principle-in the interest of mankind, no less.

A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12-year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self-esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know -- and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife -- there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife.

Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life -- if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment.

nx6d
03-01-2008, 04:50 PM
Complete nonsense.

Do YOU feel more empowered by posting this junk?

Get REAL.

Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA

N4PRT
03-01-2008, 04:51 PM
You probably don't know this, but publishing someone else's work in print or on the web in its totality without a permission to republish disclaimer or a Creative Commons agreement is a violation of copyright law.:eek:

KB1PRQ
03-01-2008, 04:55 PM
Complete nonsense.

Do YOU feel more empowered by posting this junk?

Get REAL.

Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA


Just thought it was funny...and no more nonsense than some articles from the other side.

n2ize
03-01-2008, 05:28 PM
This article is absurd and easilly deconstructed because it generalizes criteria regarding why some men don't own guns. While there may exist some men who know nothing about guns, who are terrified of guns, who would rather sit back and watch their wife being attacked than to grab their guns and shoot, there are likely far more men who chose not to keep guns for a variety of other reasons.

Many men who live in todays modern urban centres don't have guns because they seldom think of having them. The probability of being victimized are extremely small and negligible. Furthermore, most men who chose to live and work in major urban centres tend not to be of the survivalist "it's me versus them" mentality which usually calls for moving to an isolated rural area and owning lots and lots of guns, which, just like in the case of our metro guy, will have very low odds of ever being used for self defense. Additionally guns are much more usable in rural than metro areas. A rural area, due to open space, etc. is more friendly to the gun owner than the crowded metro area.

The reality is that having a gun is not a particularly important part of life and unless someone has a particular interest, need, or love for guns most people seldom give them much of a thought.

I do know one or two persons who do consider guns to be extremely negative and simply feel it's bad karma to have them around. When I am around those people I generally respect them by not talking about guns and not showing them any guns I may own. Much like one wouldn't impose drink or drug upon a person who considers such things negative and choses to abstain from such things.

K4GUN
03-01-2008, 06:22 PM
While there may exist some men who know nothing about guns, who are terrified of guns, who would rather sit back and watch their wife being attacked than to grab their guns and shoot, there are likely far more men who chose not to keep guns for a variety of other reasons.




I think you have missed the point of the article. Its not about men who fear guns nor men who choose not to keep them. Its about men who seek to disarm other men due to their own inadequacies. That's a big difference.

kc2orw
03-01-2008, 06:31 PM
I think you have missed the point of the article. Its not about men who fear guns nor men who choose not to keep them. Its about men who seek to disarm other men due to their own inadequacies. That's a big difference.
I own guns, I don't feel inadequate, I am pro gun control. I have always been suspicious of gun fanatics, most are fearful people, even fearful beyond reason, and many are overcoming their inadequacy via gun ownership.

K1VSK
03-01-2008, 08:17 PM
How owning a gun can compensate for one's feelings of inadequacy or conversely, how arguing against them can serve to demonstrate similar feelings is very difficlut to objectively prove or measure. My daughter is a school psychologist and for obvious reasons related to recent events, has her own opinion based on lots of studies, all of which conclude the same thing regarding attitudes of adolescents and adults alike toward guns. None of them indicate any inadequacy feelings.
Easy for me to say, I know, without the ability to cite specific references to support these conclusions but if there are inquiring minds not already cast in stone, these data are widely available to clearly demonstrate that such generalizations are silly.

k9cn
03-01-2008, 08:25 PM
I have always been suspicious of gun fanatics, most are fearful people, even fearful beyond reason, and many are overcoming their inadequacy via gun ownership.

Can you back this up with evidence or is this, like the article, based on speculation as to what might be going on in someone else's mind?

kc2orw
03-01-2008, 08:50 PM
Can you back this up with evidence or is this, like the article, based on speculation as to what might be going on in someone else's mind?
Personal exposure friend that's all, I have no idea if anyone has published a study. My opinion is as valid as anything presented in the original post/article though you might wish to disagree. But to my mind the whole article was based on someones constructed opinion. So I am matching BS and allegation with BS and allegation. :D

w2amr
03-01-2008, 09:07 PM
Personal exposure friend that's all, I have no idea if anyone has published a study. My opinion is as valid as anything presented in the original post/article though you might wish to disagree. But to my mind the whole article was based on someones constructed opinion. So I am matching BS and allegation with BS and allegation. :D
You are going to have to try a little harder. :D

kc2orw
03-01-2008, 09:16 PM
You are going to have to try a little harder. :D
Oh George, yeah your right it not nice to post your own personal opinion when that is what others do. Granted they proxied their own opinion by saying "look here is an article that reflects my opinion". I suppose I could have wasted my time and searched for an opposing article based on, likely, opinion too. I just did a time saving step and posted my own "opinion" about some gun obsessed types. Hey, at least I recognize that not all gun owners are whack jobs, just some. :D

ad4mg
03-01-2008, 10:16 PM
Oh George, yeah your right it not nice to post your own personal opinion when that is what others do. Granted they proxied their own opinion by saying "look here is an article that reflects my opinion". I suppose I could have wasted my time and searched for an opposing article based on, likely, opinion too. I just did a time saving step and posted my own "opinion" about some gun obsessed types. Hey, at least I recognize that not all gun owners are whack jobs, just some. :D

No, you don't get it at all.

One sentence + one link = wisdom.

Especially if the link points to a New American Century related, uber right-wing site run by a blogger hiding in his step-Mom's closet. :rolleyes:

w2amr
03-01-2008, 10:47 PM
No, you don't get it at all.

One sentence + one link = wisdom.

Especially if the link points to a New American Century related, uber right-wing site run by a blogger hiding in his step-Mom's closet. :rolleyes:

You the man Luke. :D:D

k9cn
03-01-2008, 10:56 PM
Personal exposure friend that's all, I have no idea if anyone has published a study. My opinion is as valid as anything presented in the original post/article though you might wish to disagree. But to my mind the whole article was based on someones constructed opinion. So I am matching BS and allegation with BS and allegation. :D

Well then, you do admit your view is BS?

I agree that both the article and your comment are based on unsupported guesses as to what some in this country of 300 million might be thinking in their private thoughts. But when it comes to telling OTHERS what they can or cannot do to protect their own lives and families, shouldn't it be based on something other than BS?

w2amr
03-01-2008, 11:13 PM
Well then, you do admit your view is BS?

I agree that both the article and your comment are based on unsupported guesses as to what some in this country of 300 million might be thinking in their private thoughts. But when it comes to telling OTHERS what they can or cannot do to protect their own lives and families, shouldn't it be based on something other than BS?

I doubt if a big stick would help. :p

K1VSK
03-01-2008, 11:59 PM
It's children in the sandbox time again - didn't take long and it's usually the same people....

kc2orw
03-02-2008, 12:14 AM
Well then, you do admit your view is BS?

I agree that both the article and your comment are based on unsupported guesses
And I agree you are a BS'er, so were even :D
The more I hear from people and their needs to protect themselves the happier I am that I live where even the criminals are apparently more civilized. Here people from elsewhere keep telling me it is unsafe to live in NY, sounds like they are in a ghetto at 2:00 AM all the time.

WB2WIK
03-02-2008, 12:27 AM
Most of the people I know who own guns fall into these categories:

Dad owned guns, so he just passed it down and now I own them.

I think they're cool and collectable. I have a collection, I like to show it, it's growing in value, and that's that.

I like to hunt and the animals won't wait for me to strangle them with my hands, so guns speed up the process.

I'm a competitive marksman and use them at the range.

I'm protecting myself and my family from harm and would only use a gun against the bad guys.

To me, the second one (cool and collectable) is the one that makes sense.

kc9jwa
03-04-2008, 04:58 AM
Well, In my case guns are used for one of two reasons, One hunting, 2 protecting family. Other than dat if i actually had to injure at most it be tolerent, If i had to kill i def be thinking, i had to i fell bad, but i had to do what i had to do yes us wimmen lol joking men to depending on how you are u might need therapy after:eek:.

w8wpp
03-04-2008, 05:43 AM
[QUOTE=KB1PRQ;1150938]Since guns seem to be a popular topic around here I figured I'd stir the pot a little.....

Nice job stirring the pot. By the way many have responded you hit quite a few nerves. I don't understand the whining. Keep a gun, or don't. All I ask is that you know how to, and how not to, use it. Just don't tell me what I can and can't do with mine.

n2nh
03-04-2008, 12:44 PM
http://i27.tinypic.com/j7gksx.jpg

K3XR
03-04-2008, 12:49 PM
Here, throw this in the "pot".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=57953

KG4CGC
03-04-2008, 01:20 PM
Here, throw this in the "pot".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=57953

No! Don't! The dog won't even eat that!

kf6rdn
03-05-2008, 04:49 AM
Here, throw this in the "pot".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=57953

Why ruin good pot?
:p

KC9IUX
03-05-2008, 05:50 AM
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_fightback.jpg

kc9jwa
03-05-2008, 06:32 PM
Well, one thing is for sure,I know better than to even say the word gun in front of my buddy, She hates guns wit a passion, Ok i know what happin to her, but she got family and stuff now, My only thing is what she er they goin to do if someone attacks em wit a gun,So i fear for her and them hopefully i by law if i can do somethin or see it help somehow by law, I would, Hoefully that day never comes, Anyways people have thier opinions, Just let it go and just do what you can.:rolleyes:;):cool:.

KC4HGH
03-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Most of the people I know who own guns fall into these categories:

Dad owned guns, so he just passed it down and now I own them.

I think they're cool and collectable. I have a collection, I like to show it, it's growing in value, and that's that.

I like to hunt and the animals won't wait for me to strangle them with my hands, so guns speed up the process.

I'm a competitive marksman and use them at the range.

I'm protecting myself and my family from harm and would only use a gun against the bad guys.

To me, the second one (cool and collectable) is the one that makes sense.

I fall into several of these catagories....BTW, the article is dead on target!