Tried to access the Planned Parent thread

[KD4LEI]

and couldn't access it. Was it locked down or removed?

[KD4LEI]

Probably got really hot in there and the mods took over...

Too hot, too fast...

http://mirror-us-ga1.gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2004/_more10/bonfire-fire-inferno-heart-red-orange-yellow-1-DHD.jpg

[w3bny]

How ironic....a planned parenthood thread got aborted.... LAWL!!!

[WA6MHZ]

Darned it! I just was checking back to see what happened after I dumped a gallon of gasoline on that fire!!!

[KP3FT]

and couldn't access it. Was it locked down or removed?

That's too bad, it would have been good to keep the thread so more people would stay aware of Planned Parenthood's sick practices. I'm baffled as to why it was removed.

[ad4mg]

That's too bad, it would have been good to keep the thread so more people would stay aware of Planned Parenthood's sick practices. I'm baffled as to why it was removed.

Actually, it was disgusting, and racial, and it was removed at the request of the majority of folks here who don't come here to see such garbage.

Your baffled? Weren't you the one who posted the partial birth abortions pics here not too long ago? You seem pretty excited about the public display of sick, perverted garbage of that sort. Maybe you should examine why that is.

[N2RJ]

I don't see what was so offensive about it.

If anything, it raises awareness of a disgusting issue and shows that racism is well and alive in America.

I'll ask you this - if this were reported in the media, would the news organization who reported it be racist? Or would they simply be blowing the whistle on some racist stuff?

[kc2orw]

I have a thought if the original poster of that topic really wants to talk about that topic be good enough to post it in the correct section. The next step is to actually structure it as an intelligent discussion... that in itself would be a remarkable step forward over stealth political postings.

[ad4mg]

I don't see what was so offensive about it.

If anything, it raises awareness of a disgusting issue and shows that racism is well and alive in America.

I'll ask you this - if this were reported in the media, would the news organization who reported it be racist? Or would they simply be blowing the whistle on some racist stuff?

No problem on it being reported in the media. It probably would have been forced to air after prime time due to the graphic nature of the material.

I was under the impression that QRZ was a family oriented website, targeted towards amateur radio operators of all ages. Obviously, the staff here found it inappropriate and disgusting in that venue as well.

The problems in it need to be addressed, but there is a time and place for everything, and QRZ isn't the place to discuss abortions of a target populace, based on race, and funded by bigots.

That's my opinion, and obviously, someone else here has seen it the same way.

[K3XR]

No need to get upset, if you want to read the original post it is available for all to read on Worldnetdaily.

[G8ADD]

No problem on it being reported in the media. It probably would have been forced to air after prime time due to the graphic nature of the material.

I was under the impression that QRZ was a family oriented website, targeted towards amateur radio operators of all ages. Obviously, the staff here found it inappropriate and disgusting in that venue as well.

The problems in it need to be addressed, but there is a time and place for everything, and QRZ isn't the place to discuss abortions of a target populace, based on race, and funded by bigots.

That's my opinion, and obviously, someone else here has seen it the same way.

So there are serious issues facing the world today which can't be discussed in an open discussion forum?

Fine. Sweep it under the carpet - but don't be surprised if one day you trip over the bump!

To me it looks like the ugly face of censorship - hushing it up to protect the guilty!

73

Brian G8ADD

[ad4mg]

So there are serious issues facing the world today which can't be discussed in an open discussion forum?

Fine. Sweep it under the carpet - but don't be surprised if one day you trip over the bump!

To me it looks like the ugly face of censorship - hushing it up to protect the guilty!

73

Brian G8ADD

Brian,

They obviously teach reading there. You should petition for comprehension to be added.
I was under the impression that QRZ was a family oriented website, targeted towards amateur radio operators of all ages. Obviously, the staff here found it inappropriate and disgusting in that venue as well.
Missed that, did you?

Did you see the thread? Did you note the context in which it was presented? Do you suggest that the thread could be used in your country to "enlighten" the say, 9-13 year olds concerning how bigots finance the abortions of children of a particular race of people? Maybe you can suggest this be added to the curriculum in your country. Contact Her Majesty, send her a copy of the thread, and start a petition drive to have it added.

Think what you will, QRZ wasn't the appropriate vehicle to deliver such a message.

And what sense does it make to vividly and graphically describe the disgusting racism illustrated by the posting here if there is absolutely no chance of resolving the problem? No progress towards resolution was to take place here on an amateur radio site.

That would be the reason to discuss such a problem, would it not? To find a solution, right? With that possibility eliminated, please justify why that sort of garbage belongs here. You may wish to touch base with the site owner on this. He may want to add a little input himself. It appears someone already has, on his behalf.

[w2amr]

Actually, it was disgusting, and racial, and it was removed at the request of the majority of folks here who don't come here to see such garbage.

Your baffled? Weren't you the one who posted the partial birth abortions pics here not too long ago? You seem pretty excited about the public display of sick, perverted garbage of that sort. Maybe you should examine why that is.

Before anyone gets a drivers licence , perhaps they should be force to watch videos of bloody mangled bodies in car wrecks.

[ab8ma]

Before anyone gets a drivers licence , perhaps they should be force to watch videos of bloody mangled bodies in car wrecks.

I initially thought that was an excellent idea. For some folks that might stick for a lifetime.

Then I realized that was wishful thinking. It would not change the way people think. If it would make people smarter, folks might make the leap to not using phones in cars.

[G8ADD]

Brian,

They obviously teach reading there. You should petition for comprehension to be added.

Missed that, did you?

Did you see the thread? Did you note the context in which it was presented? Do you suggest that the thread could be used in your country to "enlighten" the say, 9-13 year olds concerning how bigots finance the abortions of children of a particular race of people? Maybe you can suggest this be added to the curriculum in your country. Contact Her Majesty, send her a copy of the thread, and start a petition drive to have it added.

Think what you will, QRZ wasn't the appropriate vehicle to deliver such a message.

And what sense does it make to vividly and graphically describe the disgusting racism illustrated by the posting here if there is absolutely no chance of resolving the problem? No progress towards resolution was to take place here on an amateur radio site.

That would be the reason to discuss such a problem, would it not? To find a solution, right? With that possibility eliminated, please justify why that sort of garbage belongs here. You may wish to touch base with the site owner on this. He may want to add a little input himself. It appears someone already has, on his behalf.

Golly, you do talk some drivel, sometimes!

Yes, I read it, I seem to comprehend the issues rather better than you do! What I don't know is whether you are hiding from the issues of racism or hiding from the issues of abortion? Do you think 9 - 13 year olds do not know about racism? Do you think 9 - 13 year olds don't know about abortion? Is it you yourself who would rather not know about such things, to react with such revulsion when faced with this aspect of reality?

There are certain topics and certain words that are rightly excluded in this forum, but the Ragchew Forum is for wider topics than amateur radio, and the topic of racism is not on the list of exclusions.

You seem to believe that the subject of the thread should be expunged if, and I quote, "there is absolutely no chance of resolving the problem", but you do not seem to appreciate that the only circumstances in which there is absolutely no chance of resolving the problem are those circumstances where discussion of the problem is suppressed. Expressions of outrage are a better method of fighting this manifestation of one of the hydra-heads of racism than hiding from it, are they not? This filth is insidious, it will spread and spread if not unchecked, until it poisons the mind of nations. You seem happy to let the struggle take place elsewhere, anywhere else, as long as your delicate sensibilities are not exposed to it.

This, I think, is my justification that you demand. Now, in return, I too have a demand. I demand that you tell me why the possibility of finding a solution is "eliminated".

I await your reply with interest.

73

Brian G8ADD

PS Her Majesty being a Constitutional Monarch, the business of government in the UK is conducted by Her Majesties ministers. I would not trouble Her Majesty with such matters.

[KP3FT]

Actually, it was disgusting, and racial, and it was removed at the request of the majority of folks here who don't come here to see such garbage.

Your baffled? Weren't you the one who posted the partial birth abortions pics here not too long ago? You seem pretty excited about the public display of sick, perverted garbage of that sort. Maybe you should examine why that is.

Seems there's also a lot of folks that feel like I do... it shouldn't be swept under the rug.
Yes, I'm the one who posted those pictures, and I would do it again and again if it was allowed. I examined, long ago, the reason I get "excited" ("upset" is more appropriate) about babies getting legally killed in slow torturous ways. It's because... babies are getting legally killed in slow torturous ways. You, and others, need to examine why you were upset at me for exposing a modern-day horror that goes on every day, and not upset at those who are doing it. Again, the Nazi practices are a good example here. It's like you getting mad at me in the 1940's for showing photos of the concentration camps and the gas chambers and the corpses, instead of getting mad at the perpetrators. Very strange logic. But, let's just brush it away, it's to much to deal with apparently.
You can't be serious about this being a "family oriented" site. With all the vulgarity, bad language, sexual inferences, and nasty comebacks, this site is not appropriate for kids, but I don't see anyone complaining about it.

[ad4mg]

I'll leave the two of you with the same choice some of us were given a while back ... if you don't like the way this site is run, go form one of your own and do as you please. I'm proud to associate with a ham that did just that, along with a modest group that did the same, so go ahead, give it a go.

I really don't have much else to add, except that the owner, and/or his representative agree with most of us here, and the thread is gone.

And as far as this discussion is concerned, so am I.

[K3XR]

Tall grass, anyone??

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I agree with everyone.
I agree, the awareness of socal ills is a step in the right direction.
I also agree, this forum has standards that are set by the majority.
The trick is to ride that fine line, one of opinion vs the rights of others.
Everyone on this board has a right to voice his opinion, even if that means that removing something that I may have written.
In the end, it is the community that is this board that is important, the feelings and values of each and every member, not just mine.
That is how I see it, and what makes the Zed what it is.

[kc2orw]

Tall grass, anyone??
Blind hatred for the original poster :D

[k2gsp]

I thought it was a ridiculous article to begin with. They couldn't even get their facts straight. So they were going to take money from a racist loser, so what. I would rather they took it from the racist, then the loser give it to a Neo-Nazi group or the KKK. I would also be willing to bet. A whole lot of charities take money from shady people and I bet you could set them up in a similar way. Just cause they take their money doesn't mean they agree with them. It also doesn't mean they actually went out and tried to do what he asked.

[N2RJ]

No problem on it being reported in the media. It probably would have been forced to air after prime time due to the graphic nature of the material.

I was under the impression that QRZ was a family oriented website, targeted towards amateur radio operators of all ages. Obviously, the staff here found it inappropriate and disgusting in that venue as well.

The problems in it need to be addressed, but there is a time and place for everything, and QRZ isn't the place to discuss abortions of a target populace, based on race, and funded by bigots.

That's my opinion, and obviously, someone else here has seen it the same way.


Well my dear friend Luke, I believe we have to agree to disagree on a few things.

QRZ is hardly a family oriented website. It is a website about ham radio. Like many, it has an offtopic section, and now a politics section. I agree with keeping some sections "family friendly" but some like Rag Chew aren't what I'd call family friendly.

And to me, discussing targeted abortion of any race would be similar to discussing any type of racism.

Personally I think the thread was deleted due to complaints, not because of actual content. Had the discussion stayed civil instead of some pointing at it and accusing posters of racism, it would have been a very good discussion about the issue of racism and racists, and some of their tactics.

After all, we discuss racism here all the time, unless I've missed something.

Anyway OM, nothing personal against you, I just disagree on this issue.

And yes, I DO think that Planned Parenthood should be ashamed of themselves for this!

[K1CJS]

I, for one, found the first post offensive, and the wording of the subsequent posts only threw gasoline on the flames. I DID complain about it to the moderators and am not afraid to state I did so. Free speech is one thing, the racial bigotry and filth expressed in that short thread went way too far--that is, way beyond decency limits, especially for a family oriented website. You've got to remember there are many teenagers that come here, and that makes the WHOLE website family oriented.

Apparantly the moderators agreed with me and the others--and that's why the thread is GONE.

[G8ADD]

I, for one, found the first post offensive, and the wording of the subsequent posts only threw gasoline on the flames. I DID complain about it to the moderators and am not afraid to state I did so. Free speech is one thing, the racial bigotry and filth expressed in that short thread went way too far--that is, way beyond decency limits, especially for a family oriented website. You've got to remember there are many teenagers that come here, and that makes the WHOLE website family oriented.

Apparantly the moderators agreed with me and the others--and that's why the thread is GONE.

But this thread is still here. Funny, that!

73

Brian G8ADD

[KG4CGC]

I will agree that the topic was presented incorrectly, poorly and seemed bent towards racism.
Was the poster trying to enlighten us with awareness or just dropping a bomb?

[ki4rdg]

It just makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with people. I don't think abortion is right and even if I did I still wouldn't think it was right to reserve your donations to be used on a specific race.Whoever made that policy needs to have thier head checked.

[K1CJS]

But this thread is still here. Funny, that!

73

Brian G8ADD

Not at all. This thread, discussing the other, has nowhere the amount of bigotry and filth the other had. That is the simple, clear truth.

[K3XR]

No need to get upset, if you want to read the original post it is available for all to read on Worldnetdaily.

Story is also available on cnsnews.com

[ka5piu]

Hello.

In most Islamic countries, abortion is not abortion.
The law of the land prohibits abortion by punching in the womb.
So, the solution is a bit simpler, knock the woman down, and with a bare foot, step on the womb.
If asked, the man will say "I never lay a hand on her" totally true.
And, since no other questions are asked, no abortion.
No violation of the law.
Rape, likewise, does not happen.

[K3XR]

Why does the government fund Planned Parenthood??

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080228b.html

[ad4mg]

Why does the government fund Planned Parenthood??

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080228b.html

CNSNEWS:

Lecturer, syndicated columnist, television commentator, debater, marketer, businessman, publisher and activist, L. Brent Bozell III, 49, is one of the most outspoken and effective national leaders in the conservative movement today.
Another bastion of (un)truth spewed by the uber right-wing noise machine. Also the founder of the media research center, the uber right-wing noise machine used to heap false praise upon this virtual bird cage liner.

Funny guy - he uses one of his sites to praise his other site, then cites that as proof of "a news source for individuals, news organizations and broadcasters who put a higher premium on balance than spin and seek news that’s ignored or under-reported as a result of media bias by omission."

Much the same as Lush Bimbo being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

FAIL.

[w2amr]

Why does the government fund Planned Parenthood??

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080228b.html
They think it's porn, what a hoot. :D

[kq9j]

But what's really a hoot is how idiots like that get elected to public office in the first place.


They think it's porn, what a hoot. :D

[KA8DKT]

That's too bad, it would have been good to keep the thread so more people would stay aware of Planned Parenthood's sick practices. I'm baffled as to why it was removed.I'm sure you meant, "Planned Parenthood's alleged sick practices."

The original posting was based, I believe, from WorldNetDaily, a source that is infamous for its apparent lack of veracity and objectivity. Right away, I would want to look for some kind of verification of the story. Yet the posts in this thread are reading as if those allegations were already independently verified as fact.

Next, while many here behave as if they lack the thought process required to mount a rational argument and instead resort to name-calling, my impression has been that this is a discussion forum. Hiding or deleting threads or posts because they are arbitrarily deemed to be too controversial or too much for children or whoever, still amounts to censorship and does not allow for open and intelligent discussion. The vast majority of posters here are adults, at least in age, and they deserve to be treated as such. Certainly the topic of such allegations being leveled against Planned Parenthood deserves full and open exploration and discussion.

True, anyone can come here to read the posts. But I would be willing to bet that even among the general public that might come here to read these forums, the vast majority are of adult age.

If pictures are too graphic, don't include them with the post. Instead, offer a link with a warning about the graphic nature. That leaves the reader a choice.

Lastly, I am getting tired of remarks that suggest that people don't like to read such threads or posts and thus they should be removed or not allowed. Well, the title of the thread usually gives a clue as to the contents. No one is forcing anyone to read any of the posts. If a thread looks like it will offend you, don't open it and read it! Easy! Now we have preserved choice, and have also preserved a free and open arena for discussion.

-gary

[KA8DKT]

Hello.

In most Islamic countries, abortion is not abortion.
The law of the land prohibits abortion by punching in the womb.
So, the solution is a bit simpler, knock the woman down, and with a bare foot, step on the womb.
If asked, the man will say "I never lay a hand on her" totally true.
And, since no other questions are asked, no abortion.
No violation of the law.
Rape, likewise, does not happen.Yes, what a fine religion, Islam.

-gary

[KA8DKT]

I finally saw/heard the video and have read several news stories concerning it. While those specific Planned Parenthood donation administrators handled this in what seems to be a pretty inflammatory manner, I don't see where they were going to use the donations to go out and seek people to initiate abortions. The money would certainly be used to help an African American woman who felt an abortion was necessary.

Further, it appears that the gist of the inflammatory remarks were not a policy of Planned Parenthood, but instead apparent racism on the part of some Planned Parenthood employees. Planned Parenthood of Idaho issued this statement that says, in part, "Planned Parenthood firmly and unequivocally denounces racial bias in the delivery of health care.... A fund raising employee violated the organization's principles and practices when she appeared to be willing to accept a racially motivated donation. This employee made a serious mistake. We apologize for the manner in which this offensive call was handled." We can only hope Autumn was fired.

We all need to admit that racism is still with us, no matter how outmoded that kind of thinking is. There will probably always be racist people, unfortunately, and some will be working for Planned Parenthood as well as for many other organizations.

Now, my curiosity is piqued. To how many Planned Parenthood offices did this reporter place and complete calls? If these were the only calls he placed why did he pick these locations in particular, i.e., did he think in advance he might get this response at these locations? Who might have tipped him off to that? If he called locations that refused his purported reasons for a donation why were they not reported? Right there, that could indicate bias on the part of the reporter. Does this story seem a bit like an attempt to smear Planned Parenthood? It is certainly written in a manner that indicates that these few examples represent the entire organization.

-gary

[KI4PEQ]

Hello.

In most Islamic countries...
Rape, likewise, does not happen.

And if it does happen, the person who has a Mr. Happy gets away with it and the woman who is the victim gets victimized twice. She gets raped, then gets lashed, jailed or executed when the religious courts get through with her.

Real progressive, the Saudis are. Too bad our government has its nose so far up the House of Saud's buttocks they can see what members of the royal family ate for lunch.

[K3XR]

Much to the dismay of some, this story is not going away.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/308723.html

[KC9IUX]

You guys act like this is new.

Planned Parenthood has racist roots all the way back to Margret Sanger and its eugenics outlook.

Nothing new here.

[n2ize]

You guys act like this is new.

Planned Parenthood has racist roots all the way back to Margret Sanger and its eugenics outlook.

Nothing new here.

Actually Planned Parenthood doesn't support eugenics at all. Nor does it supprt racism The ultimate goal of eugenics (a non-scientific idea) is a cleansing of the "gene pool"of undesireable traits. by selective interaction which can include birth control and even euthenasia. Sanger allegedly did not support euthenasia but rather supported the idea of using birth control As barbaric and inhuman as eugenics seems to us nowadays in the days of Margaret Sanger eugenics was considered viable and was given consideration by many thinkers of the time. Many however abandoned the concept of eugenics later on as the racist and antisocial as well as UNSCIENTIFIC aspects of the "theory" came to fruition. Today eugenics is rarely considered viable except perhaps buy a few fringe extremists.

Despite Sanger's acceptance of eugenics (she was far from alone at the time) she did do a great deal of good things with respect to family planning, birth control, sexual education, womens issues, etc. There were a great deal of people (mosly immigrants) scattered throughout the country in those days and concentrated in the inner cities of the time and Sanger was one of the first people to reach out to them in many ways that were deemed helpful.

While the organization known as "planned parenthood" of today does deal with such things as family planning, birth control, abortion, etc, it is not based on eugenics, i.e. the goal is to help people deal with such isues on an individualized basis, economic needs, etc. The goal is NOT eugenuics i.e. cleansing of the gene pool.

I take it many religious groups are at odds with PP and any organization which includes birth control as part of it's family planning agenda. Yet I fail to see any of these religious groups offer anything more than abstinence which is an unrealistic goal. For the small handful of persons who practice abstinence there are 1000 more who don't.

[n2ize]

I finally saw/heard the video and have read several news stories concerning it. While those specific Planned Parenthood donation administrators handled this in what seems to be a pretty inflammatory manner, I don't see where they were going to use the donations to go out and seek people to initiate abortions. The money would certainly be used to help an African American woman who felt an abortion was necessary.

Further, it appears that the gist of the inflammatory remarks were not a policy of Planned Parenthood, but instead apparent racism on the part of some Planned Parenthood employees. Planned Parenthood of Idaho issued this statement that says, in part, "Planned Parenthood firmly and unequivocally denounces racial bias in the delivery of health care.... A fund raising employee violated the organization's principles and practices when she appeared to be willing to accept a racially motivated donation. This employee made a serious mistake. We apologize for the manner in which this offensive call was handled." We can only hope Autumn was fired.


-gary

Was Autumn fired in Winter or Summer ? :D And what about Spring ?

Seriously, condemning PP as racist because of the actions of a particular individuals(s) is no dofferent than people who condemn all cops because of the actions of a one or more bad cops. When a group of individuals hates a particular organization they will take the actions of a few and apply them across the board in blanket condemnation. Thusm, someone who doesn't like cops will blanket condemn all cops because oif the actions of one or more rogue racist cops. Someone who doesn'tlike schools will condemn all schools because of a few bad teachers. And those who don't like PP will blanket condemn the entire organization because of the action of a few idiot employees.

[K3XR]

It's about time.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200803/CUL20080320a.html

[KP3FT]

It's about time.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200803/CUL20080320a.html

It's good they are being taken to court, but it needs to be taken all the way and prosecute them for peddling infanticide...

[K3UD]

here is some definitive information concerning blacks and abortion.
It is pretty sobering.

http://www.reformedblacksofamerica.org/downloads/Abortion_by_race_Bradley.pdf




73
George
K3UD

[K3XR]

Obama, baby a "punishment"!!!
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-calls-a-baby-punishment-the-video/print/

[K3XR]

Planned Parenthood covering up statutory rape??

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/14/hannity-planned-parenthood-covered-up-statutory-rape/?print=1

[WA6MHZ]

I like the comment afterward:
"If you don’t have a problem with murder, then statutory rape is nothing, right?"

Another great quote:
"It is amazing to me that people who stand outside prisons to protest the death penalty for vicious criminals have no problems with killing innocent children in abortion clinics."

[w2amr]

Obama, baby a "punishment"!!!
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-calls-a-baby-punishment-the-video/print/
Way to go Dan, a new low ,even for you.

[KD0DKI]

Planned Parent Hood.

First
I didn't see the post.

Personally I don't like the idea of abortion, I will not shove my ideas at people who have different ideas.

Abortion is legal in the US, if you don't like it don't try to vote a presedent in that doesn't like it any more then you do. The presedent does not make or change laws, the presedent can't. The US supreme court can't make or change laws, they interpret laws using law.

I know people from all waks of life, straight, gay/lesbian, catholic, baptist, lutheran, agnostic, athist, smart, stupid, dump, young, old, middle age, etc...
There are people on both sides of this issue who can do nothing if they do not contact their representatives in federal government.
Get to know this infomation and you will see who, why, when, how laws come to be.
http://www.uic.edu/depts/lib/documents/resources/lawmaking.html

[KP3FT]

Planned Parent Hood.

First
I didn't see the post.

Personally I don't like the idea of abortion, I will not shove my ideas at people who have different ideas.

Abortion is legal in the US, if you don't like it don't try to vote a presedent in that doesn't like it any more then you do. The presedent does not make or change laws, the presedent can't. The US supreme court can't make or change laws, they interpret laws using law.


Abortion is more than an "idea" or differing philosophy, it's the real physical action of purposeful killing of babies. As such, we should cram that fact down people's throats.

[w2amr]

Abortion is more than an "idea" or differing philosophy, it's the real physical action of purposeful killing of babies. As such, we should cram that fact down people's throats.
It is also a legal procedure.

[WA6MHZ]

I don't even like the name "Planned Parenthood". It has Nothing to do with what they are doing. I would guess it would be a Fertility Clinic, if they were helping people plan. But if anything, the name is a misnomer. It should be something like "Sexual mistakes rectified" or "UNplanned Parenthood Resolution Center" It is so easy for girls of today. Have a few drinks, get wild and crazy with boys they don't know, and take a Pregnancy test with the wrong result. NOT A PROBLEM! Just a quick trip to PLanned Parenthood and all the woes are solved. Over and over. What? I heard one girl had been there over a dozen times and she wasn't even 16 yet? Thats America of Today!

[ad4mg]

Abortion is more than an "idea" or differing philosophy, it's the real physical action of purposeful killing of babies. As such, we should cram that fact down people's throats.

All done in the name of the Lord. The Bible beaters path to glory.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

You can cram your facts right up your <insert you're choice of slang terminology here>.

You try to cram something down the wrong person's throat one day, and he's gonna knock the taste out of your mouth.

[n2ize]

I don't even like the name "Planned Parenthood". It has Nothing to do with what they are doing. I would guess it would be a Fertility Clinic, if they were helping people plan. But if anything, the name is a misnomer. It should be something like "Sexual mistakes rectified" or "UNplanned Parenthood Resolution Center" It is so easy for girls of today. Have a few drinks, get wild and crazy with boys they don't know, and take a Pregnancy test with the wrong result. NOT A PROBLEM! Just a quick trip to PLanned Parenthood and all the woes are solved. Over and over. What? I heard one girl had been there over a dozen times and she wasn't even 16 yet? Thats America of Today!

It's easy to claim that a name doesn't fit when you know so little about the entity that has adopted the name. Actually planned parenthood does not advocate for only abortion. They offer extensive counselling services for young couples, single parents, and couples/parents of all ages who have perhaps allowed their "youthfull indiscretions" to create a situation that they are unprepared for yet DO NOT WANT TO CONSIDER ABORTION. They also offer services dealing with educating parents with regards to proper child care, child care options etc. as well as dealing with potential illnesses such as AIDS, etc.

[w2amr]

All done in the name of the Lord. The Bible beaters path to glory.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

You can cram your facts right up your <insert you're choice of slang terminology here>.

You try to cram something down the wrong person's throat one day, and he's gonna knock the taste out of your mouth.
Just mention the word abortion and Jesus is bound to pop up. :rolleyes:

[KP3FT]

All done in the name of the Lord. The Bible beaters path to glory.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

You can cram your facts right up your <insert you're choice of slang terminology here>.

You try to cram something down the wrong person's throat one day, and he's gonna knock the taste out of your mouth.

Although Christians are at the forefront of anti-abortion, many other pro-life people are not Christians. It's not solely a Christian vs. secular issue. The facts of abortion are that human life is ended in slow, painful, brutal methods, and no one asks the baby if that would be his/her "choice". By this time tomorrow, around 3900 babies via "choice" will be killed. The day after that, 3900 more.
I'm sorry you feel that way about the facts. It's likely because you aren't aware of what abortion actually is, as most people aren't. See the links below. Also, I'm not concerned if "the wrong person" retaliates because of cramming facts down their throat. If that's what it takes to make people aware, then so be it.
Here are the facts (WARNING: the first link is a video of an abortion in progress. Sections of the baby are being removed...hands, etc., piece by piece):


This is a graphic link with descriptions and pictures of the horrendous procedures used in abortions:


If you can't take the graphics, try this link with a description of abortion methods without pictures of killed babies:


This is another graphic link to pictures of aborted babies.

[KP3FT]

It is also a legal procedure.

Yes, but "legal" doesn't mean "right". Slavery was also legal not so long ago, but it certainly wasn't right. Also, fairly recently, it was actually illegal for a woman to vote in the United States. Thankfully people took a stand against these formally legal, but wrong, laws. Abortion is the same...it's legal but monstrously wrong and inhuman.

[n2ize]

Yes, but "legal" doesn't mean "right". Slavery was also legal not so long ago, but it certainly wasn't right. Also, fairly recently, it was actually illegal for a woman to vote in the United States. Thankfully people took a stand against these formally legal, but wrong, laws. Abortion is the same...it's legal but monstrously wrong and inhuman.

Wrong. Wrong.

[n7wr]

There are people of many faiths, Christian and non-Christian, who believe that a supreme Diety is the source of all life and that human life begins at the moment of conception. For those billions who hold that belief, abortion is murder and needs to be opposed at all times. As for the proud liberal hippy treehugger you have bought Planned Parenthood's "spin". Sure they say they provide all of the services you mention and upon rare occasion they may provide them. But what is the majority of their work? Without question it is the killing of innocent human life, life that has absolutely no say so as to his/her fate. And in the case of pre-adult females Planned Parenthood opposes vigorously any requirement that parents consent or even be notified of their daughter's pending abortion. That equates to not involving parents in planning...so on that basis alone Planned Parenthood is a false and misleading name for the organization. Murder Incorporated would be more accurate. I, along with many, pray daily that Roe v Wade is someday (soon) over turned.

[KP3FT]

Wrong. Wrong.

View the linked websites in my previous post, and then try to tell me I'm wrong.

[W8EFA]

There are people of many faiths, Christian and non-Christian, who believe that a supreme Diety is the source of all life and that human life begins at the moment of conception. For those billions who hold that belief, abortion is murder and needs to be opposed at all times. As for the proud liberal hippy treehugger you have bought Planned Parenthood's "spin". Sure they say they provide all of the services you mention and upon rare occasion they may provide them. But what is the majority of their work? Without question it is the killing of innocent human life, life that has absolutely no say so as to his/her fate. And in the case of pre-adult females Planned Parenthood opposes vigorously any requirement that parents consent or even be notified of their daughter's pending abortion. That equates to not involving parents in planning...so on that basis alone Planned Parenthood is a false and misleading name for the organization. Murder Incorporated would be more accurate. I, along with many, pray daily that Roe v Wade is someday (soon) over turned.


Yes and there are just as many that may not believe there is a God, don't believe that life starts at conception and don't believe it is murder. You don't KNOW squat. Who are you to say you are right and they are wrong? Who are you to say you are right and they are wrong and can tell them to what to do with YOUR law. It is each persons decision and they are the only ones liable for the consequences of their actions.

As much as I would hate it if my wife got pregnant since we are over 50 and my youngest is 24, I personally wouldn't even consider abortion however I am not going to tell my neighbor what to do.

[KP3FT]

Yes and there are just as many that may not believe there is a God, don't believe that life starts at conception and don't believe it is murder. You don't KNOW squat. Who are you to say you are right and they are wrong? Who are you to say you are right and they are wrong and can tell them to what to do with YOUR law. It is each persons decision and they are the only ones liable for the consequences of their actions.

As much as I would hate it if my wife got pregnant since we are over 50 and my youngest is 24, I personally wouldn't even consider abortion however I am not going to tell my neighbor what to do.

See the links in my previous post. Abortion is the systematic butchering of human life. It attacks a human living thing with the intention and result of ending it's life. In other word's, it's murder. Your argument is based on faulty logic. Do you also feel you don't have the right to tell a neighbor that he can't kill a 10-year old or a 70-year-old? There is no difference between that and killing an unborn baby. The baby is not a "growth" or part of the mother's body, it is a human individual with human rights. The pro-abortion crowd is very careful to choose safe words like "fetal tissue", "choice", "anti-choice", etc. all designed to keep your attention off the real issue: a living human who is entitled to have a "choice" in their own fate. Something tells me they would choose life over dismemberment, saline burns, etc. How convenient they can't speak, eh?

[w2amr]

View the linked websites in my previous post, and then try to tell me I'm wrong.
What web site?

[w2amr]

Although Christians are at the forefront of anti-abortion, many other pro-life people are not Christians. It's not solely a Christian vs. secular issue. The facts of abortion are that human life is ended in slow, painful, brutal methods, and no one asks the baby if that would be his/her "choice". By this time tomorrow, around 3900 babies via "choice" will be killed. The day after that, 3900 more.
I'm sorry you feel that way about the facts. It's likely because you aren't aware of what abortion actually is, as most people aren't. See the links below. Also, I'm not concerned if "the wrong person" retaliates because of cramming facts down their throat. If that's what it takes to make people aware, then so be it.
Here are the facts (WARNING: the first link is a video of an abortion in progress. Sections of the baby are being removed...hands, etc., piece by piece):


This is a graphic link with descriptions and pictures of the horrendous procedures used in abortions:


If you can't take the graphics, try this link with a description of abortion methods without pictures of killed babies:


This is another graphic link to pictures of aborted babies.

Perhaps your links have been removed. Good, that stuff is totally inappropriate for here.

[ad4mg]

Perhaps your links have been removed. Good, that stuff is totally inappropriate for here.

I second that.

[WA6MHZ]

Is the fetus alive? YES! Science has proven this!!
Is the fetus's life terminated? YES INDEED!
Is Terminating life MURDER? Depends on if you are Pro-life or Pro-choice.
But in any other situation, Terminating life is MURDER. I am a murderer myself. I just TERMINATED 3 or 4 Black Widow Spiders this morning!! ZAPPED them with RAID! But a Baby is alot more than a Spider!
A Fetus will grow into a Human if allowed.
I am especially Pro-Life, for I would not be here if my mother had chosen CHOICE rather than LIFE!
Neither would most of the rest of you!

[kf6rdn]

I'm not terribly religious, well actually not at all, but somewhat pro life.. I might be pro choice if more responsibility was put into the "choice", rather then "oops, I did it again".

[KP3FT]

Perhaps your links have been removed. Good, that stuff is totally inappropriate for here.

They were removed. I'm not sure why; I gave gave sufficient warning about them. The links are appropriate; they are directly related to the topic, they are not pornographic, and the reader has the choice to click on them or not. Removing them only perpetuates the problem of the general public being unaware of what "pro-choice" is choosing.
Here's a non-graphic link from which you can surf around:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/Abortion_Pictures.cfm

or, just type in the keyword phrases "abortion pictures" and "abortion methods" in your favorite search engine.

[KB9BVN]

Obama, baby a "punishment"!!!
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-calls-a-baby-punishment-the-video/print/

Obama is a racist, pro-abortion, marxist.

He's the best we have??

We're in deep doo doo.

[w2amr]

They were removed. I'm not sure why; I gave gave sufficient warning about them.




Apparently the proprietors of this site considered them inappropriate. It is no different than an anti drunk driving advocate posting links to gruesome photos of car accidents, that would probably be considered inappropriate as well. Beginning to catch on now? Perhaps you could start up your own web site , then you could post that garbage till your hearts content.

[kb3laz]

All done in the name of the Lord. The Bible beaters path to glory.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

You can cram your facts right up your <insert you're choice of slang terminology here>.

You try to cram something down the wrong person's throat one day, and he's gonna knock the taste out of your mouth.

Hey that would be cool. I wanaa see someone beat with a bible.:D

[n2ize]

Obama is a racist, pro-abortion, marxist.

He's the best we have??

We're in deep doo doo.

Obama is a Marxist ? While I am not particularly fond of Obama I would still be interested in how you arrived at that conclusion. Other than hearing it regurgitated by medium wave conservative talk show propagandists and on a few gossip column web sites I would like to know what evidence you have gathered that would logically support such a proposition ?

[n2ize]

There are people of many faiths, Christian and non-Christian, who believe that a supreme Diety is the source of all life and that human life begins at the moment of conception. For those billions who hold that belief, abortion is murder and needs to be opposed at all times. As for the proud liberal hippy treehugger you have bought Planned Parenthood's "spin". Sure they say they provide all of the services you mention and upon rare occasion they may provide them.


years ago when i was volunteering my time helping at a counselling service for young addicts in New York, many of whom were kids who ran away from home, I say many young people who were referred to counselling service via Planned Parenthood and who received quite extensive and rigorous counselling and assistance far beyond abortion. The idea that planned parenthood merely acts as a service to pidgeonhole people into abortion is ludicrous and represents a biased and incomplete understanding of the services they provide.


But what is the majority of their work? Without question it is the killing of innocent human life, life that has absolutely no say so as to his/her fate.


Absolutely wrong as I described above. Abortion is a legal option that PP will realistically consider under various circumstances. Many young people who have decided to get an abortion will seek out planned parenthood for advice as they are one of the few accessible services that will respect a young persons confidentiality while providing information on abortion services as well as other viable options. In addition PP provides services with regards to birth control, general health and well being, illness and disease, HIV, etc. They will also refer a person to other counsellings, health and treatment services such as drug addiction counseling, alcohol counsellings, abusive relationships, etc. They are among one of the few services available that a young person can access and get help and advice they so critically need and might otherwise have to do without. Of course those with a self serving agenda will probably not understand the importance such services can play in a persons life.



And in the case of pre-adult females Planned Parenthood opposes vigorously any requirement that parents consent or even be notified of their daughter's pending abortion. That equates to not involving parents in planning...so on that basis alone Planned Parenthood is a false and misleading name for the organization.


Planned Parenthood will respect a young persons right to confidentiality and privacy regarding sensitive issues. Many young people come from abusive families, unsuportive families, abusive relationships, etc. Often one of their biggest fears is an abusive or unsupportive parent, an abusive spouse, boyfriend, etc. Ift is often one of the reasons why many young people are reluctant to seek out help and assistance when a serious personal condition arises. Everyone;s situation is different. Planned parenthood belives that there are legitimate, viable reasons why a person may not want to involve their parents, friends, family, etc. Nor does planned parenthood discourage a person who may want to involve their family in a decision making process.


Murder Incorporated would be more accurate. I, along with many, pray daily that Roe v Wade is someday (soon) over turned.


And will it stop abortions ? No. It will just make abortion yet another illegal vice just like drugs, prostitution and, at one time alcohol. People who can afford to will still be able to travel to parts of the "free world" where abortion is legal and considered a womans right. And people who can't will merely take the old do it yourself approach or the back alley clinic approach.

[n2ize]

Is the fetus alive? YES! Science has proven this!!
Is the fetus's life terminated? YES INDEED!
Is Terminating life MURDER? Depends on if you are Pro-life or Pro-choice.
But in any other situation, Terminating life is MURDER. I am a murderer myself. I just TERMINATED 3 or 4 Black Widow Spiders this morning!! ZAPPED them with RAID! But a Baby is alot more than a Spider!

Not according to the rules of nature. nature wiill snuff out a human as fast as a spider, fly or tiny flea. A bold of lightning,, a tornado, an earthquake, an asteroid, a tidal wave and swoosh.... rabbit, human, bear, insect...it don't matter. The universe doesn'tseem to value humans any more than a colony of bacteria. In the scheme of things we are very small and insignificant indeed. Virtually negligible.

[KP3FT]

They were removed. I'm not sure why; I gave gave sufficient warning about them.




Apparently the proprietors of this site considered them inappropriate. It is no different than an anti drunk driving advocate posting links to gruesome photos of car accidents, that would probably be considered inappropriate as well. Beginning to catch on now? Perhaps you could start up your own web site , then you could post that garbage till your hearts content.

I challenge you to look at that "garbage" as you call it, and still support it. It's extremely disturbing that you, the moderator who removed the links, and others don't even have enough interest in the topic to even LOOK at it. Don't you people even care that living human beings are being literally dismembered and burned alive? God, sometimes I feel like I'm trapped in some sort of bizarre nightmare where people are utterly without conscience. It truly is unbelievable to me. We live in a society where we have the freedom to inform, yet we don't. This is such a blatant, horrific monstrosity, comparable to Nazi Germany's genocide practice, right in front of our faces, yet people don't care? I give up...

[kf6rdn]

On another note, shouldn't the name be "Unplanned Unparenthood"?
:p

[w2amr]

I challenge you to look at that "garbage" as you call it, and still support it. It's extremely disturbing that you, the moderator who removed the links, and others don't even have enough interest in the topic to even LOOK at it.
I'm a moderator? Oh good. Let's see, who shall I ban? I know. Jetho, where are ya boy, we need to talk. :p

[K3XR]

"Planned Parenthood ...racist agenda"....

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200804/CUL20080417a.html

[KD0DKI]

[quote=KP3FT;1197521]"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."
Ecclesiastes 12:13 by King Solomon quote]

Didn't the new testament suprerdeed the old i.e. version 1 out dated by version 2?

[KP3FT]

I'm a moderator? Oh good. Let's see, who shall I ban? I know. Jetho, where are ya boy, we need to talk. :p

No, sorry, my bad grammar made it look like I was saying you are one of the moderators. Here's my revised sentence: "It's extremely disturbing that you, and the moderator who removed the links, and others, don't even have enough interest in the topic to even LOOK at it." The sentence structure may still be incorrect, but you get the idea.

[K3XR]

Long past time........

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/23/is-it-time-to-investigate-planned-parenthood/?print=1

[K3XR]

O'Reilley on racist planned parenthood.

http://newsbusters.org/node/20798/print

[K3XR]

"How planned parenthood celebrates mothers day. "

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/09/how-planned-parenthood-celebrates-mothers-day/?print=1

[K3XR]

Holding the abortion mafia accountable.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/28/family-sues-dc-planned-parenthood-for-50-million/?print=1