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W3MIV
02-27-2008, 11:44 PM
John Lewis is a superdelegate from Georgia. He had been supporting Clinton since last fall. The mass of primary voters moving steadily to Obama, combined with Lewis's evident desire to retain his seat in the future, has now firmly committed to Obama.

The Party was stupid in the way it permitted Harold Ickes (an over-the-top zealot) to ramrod the superdelegate idiocy in the first place. Now, in order to maintain some semblance of loyalty amidst a massive swelling of popular support for a "surprise candidacy," and the dancing will start.

Clinton will have to walk the plank or else the predicted "train wreck" is nearing the station...

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/seattlepolitics/archives/132881.asp


"After taking some time for serious reflection on this issue, I have decided that when I cast my vote as a superdelegate at the Democratic convention, it is my duty as a representative of the 5th Congressional District to express the will of the people," Lewis said in a statement. "As a U.S. representative, it is my role not to try to subdue or suppress the will of the people, but to help it prosper and grow."

Lewis' endorsement had been a coveted prize among the Democratic candidates thanks to his standing as one of the most prominent civil rights leaders of the 1960s.

He announced his support for Clinton in October and has appeared on her behalf on television and at events across the country, at one point accusing Obama supporters of trying to "fan the flames" of race against Clinton. She has frequently cited his support in trying to establish her credentials among minority voters, saying she saw her campaign as a continuation of his work.

The slide will accelerate into a major avalanche before too much longer. If it doesn't, the election will be put at risk.

K3XR
02-27-2008, 11:49 PM
Try this, Lewis sees which boat is leaving the dock first, and he wants to be on it. The notion that he gives a fat rat's rear what the "people think" is a joke.

N3ATS
02-28-2008, 01:23 AM
The more I learn about this entire process, the more I am convinced it is designed to minimize the influence of the voters as much as possible.

K3XR
02-28-2008, 03:04 AM
Just love that MIV avatar photo of country singer Eddy Arnold.

kc7jty
02-28-2008, 06:43 AM
The slide will accelerate into a major avalanche before too much longer. If it doesn't, the election will be put at risk.
People are like a herd of those stupid white ducks in China. Eager to follow that little ball of fluff hanging from the end of a long stick even to their deaths. Makes me embarrassed to be human at times. :mad:

kc7jty
02-28-2008, 06:45 AM
Just love that MIV avatar photo of country singer Eddy Arnold.
I think it's Daniel Webster. Once uncle got hip to understanding the real UEP Long he dropped him like a stone.

W3MIV
02-28-2008, 11:32 AM
I think it's Daniel Webster. Once uncle got hip to understanding the real UEP Long he dropped him like a stone.

I presume, Billhelm, by "UEP" your refer to the avatar image of Huey Long? I have not abandoned Long nor consigned him to any other place than among my personal heroes. William Howard Taft, who was both a president and a Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, once commented after Long argued a case before the Court that Long had the finest legal mind Taft had ever encountered. You obviously know little about him. You should find out more.

The current image is not Webster, a man for whom I have little fondness; it is of another hero with a legal brain of tremendous power.

kc7jty
02-28-2008, 09:33 PM
I presume, Billhelm, by "UEP" your refer to the avatar image of Huey Long?
I can see your mother didn't raise any dummies.

I have not abandoned Long nor consigned him to any other place than among my personal heroes.
If true you are indeed a Democrat.

You obviously know little about him. You should find out more.
I know he built bridges, some of which I rode over on trains with my bindle. The bridge he built over the Mississippi at Baton Rouge was of such low profile as to prevent river traffic from passing beyond ports in Louisiana. He was also halted by an assassin's bullet.

W3MIV
02-28-2008, 10:15 PM
...and now he's planning to tear the Party apart in his zeal to secure the nomination of Hillary Clinton no matter what the national electorate seems to think or care about it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28ickes.html?_r=1&nl=pol&emc=pol&oref=slogin


“I’m a little dismayed by the lack of fight on the part of our staff,” Mr. Ickes, the assistant to the campaign manager, scolded an audience of Clinton staffers dispirited after Mrs. Clinton’s losses last week, before beginning a roll call of the presidential campaigns he had helped win and lose.

Mr. Ickes, who has typically been a behind-the-scenes player, is stepping out front to make the public case for Mrs. Clinton, at a time when campaign advisers have pressed to lower the profile of her chief strategist, Mark J. Penn.

But most of all, he is serving as the campaign’s general in the fight for superdelegates, the elected officials and party leaders who may well determine whether Mrs. Clinton can grasp the nomination from Senator Barack Obama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_obama/index.html?inline=nyt-per) of Illinois. In doing so, Mr. Ickes is drawing on his intimate knowledge of the Clintons and their political networks — as well as delegate selection rules he helped write at the Democratic National Committee (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/d/democratic_national_committee/index.html?inline=nyt-org).

His father wore out his welcome in the Truman administration through the very same kind of over-the-top zeal and "take-no-prisoners" approach that marks everything Ickes sets out to do in Democrat politics.

kc7jty
02-29-2008, 12:08 AM
Scopes monkey trial.

W3MIV
02-29-2008, 12:42 AM
Scopes monkey trial.

Very good.