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kl7aj
02-27-2008, 05:47 PM
A local ham here spent a great deal of money and time on an H.F. installation on his SUV. Everything was built like a brick outhouse. First-class installation in every regard. Everything was done "right."

Alas, my friend had a very disappointing signal on 75 meters. He asked for my advice. I pointed out his bumper mounted, base loaded 8 foot whip.

I asked my friend how long his antenna was. He said "eight feet".

"Oh, really now", I taunted. "Look at the bottom five feet of that. It runs right up next to the steel body of your SUV, two inches away. What you ACTUALLY have is five feet of transmission line and three feet of antenna...the part that extends above your SUV roof. Not only that, but your loading coil is practically TOUCHING the body of your SUV, and it's a long, thin coil, making everything worse. You'd be MUCH better off with a three foot whip on the roof of your SUV, and a short-fat loading coil in the clear. You're totally wasting 5 feet of antenna."

"But this tunes EVERYWHERE!" my friend protested.

"Yeah. So does a dummy load," I retorted. I could see the dejection in his face. After all, he DID do a fine piece of craftsmanship. And it looked pretty cool, too.

"So," I continued. "Do you want to be jack of all bands or master of one?"

After considerable frowning and pondering, the verdict was rendered. "I'm mainly on 75 meters, I guess."

"I thought so," I said. "Tell ya what. You keep your antenna here...it's still better than 50% of the stuff on the road. But let's ADD a dedicated 75 meter, roof mounted whip with a REAL loading coil. That way, you can compare them both. And you'll get to look like the FCC as well. Fair enough?"

To make a long story short, my friend did just as I suggested, and he is a happy camper....literally.

So, you CAN have your cake and eat it too. :)

eric

VO1GXG
02-27-2008, 09:08 PM
Thats why im going with a roof mounted little tarheel ;)

Good work OM!

K0RGR
02-27-2008, 10:49 PM
I find that a roof-mounted Hustler with the short mast and longer, flexible whip works quite well. It's rather surprising, because the overall length of the antenna is less, but getting it above the car body does make quite a difference.

WD4CHP
02-28-2008, 01:05 PM
I had good luck with an origional Out Backer mirror mounted on a Ford Aerostar.

W7WV
02-28-2008, 04:04 PM
I see RV hams with 102" whips and such mounted low on the motor homes and trailers all the time out there. They seem to like the ladders or the trailer hitches too.
They say "the unit is made fiberglass and won't affect the antenna". The problem is that many have metal framing which can be substantial that will interfere. I have found that moving that antenna from where they put it can make quite an improvement in performance for them.
I too have a 102" whip fed with an AH-4. But I mounted it about 10" from the top of my MH and it works very well for me.
Yes I have to strap it down for travel but I don't travel much and I have enough to do driving the big 38' MH without spinning the dial on the FT-897.

KE6SHJ
02-28-2008, 04:11 PM
My question is, what kind of antenna is (was) your friend using? Reason I ask is because Im planning on purchasing an HS 1800 to mount on the side of my trailer hitch coming out the left side of my SUV. I realize your friend is a 75 man but I like to work all bands. Enquiering minds wanna know :)

kl7aj
02-28-2008, 04:27 PM
My question is, what kind of antenna is (was) your friend using? Reason I ask is because Im planning on purchasing an HS 1800 to mount on the side of my trailer hitch coming out the left side of my SUV. I realize your friend is a 75 man but I like to work all bands. Enquiering minds wanna know :)

It was an Ameritron somethng or other. Certainly a rugged-enough looking unit. I don't think it would be better or worse than anything else out there. It's WHERE it was mounted that was the problem.

Location, locaton, location!

eric

G0GQK
02-28-2008, 11:07 PM
Is your friend aware of how little power he radiates on 80 metres.? Even on a top notch system it is truly amazing how far 1 watt can get, because that is all that is being radiated from an average 100 watt rig. He would do better using 40 metres if the conditions are right

G0GQK

kl7aj
02-28-2008, 11:18 PM
Is your friend aware of how little power he radiates on 80 metres.? Even on a top notch system it is truly amazing how far 1 watt can get, because that is all that is being radiated from an average 100 watt rig. He would do better using 40 metres if the conditions are right

G0GQK

GQK

Indeed 40 meters is much easier to get out on than 80, especially mobile. However, in Alaska, 80 meters is still the "default" band. It's where everybody is, so on 40, at least for in-state operation, you're pretty much one hand clapping in the dark.

eric

W4INF
02-29-2008, 01:16 AM
A similar lesson was learned by myself, being able to tune an antenna and having it actually be efficient was two totally different things. Sigh. But, that was one of the fun aspects of Ham Radio I enjoy, experimenting!!

Andrew