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W3MIV
02-26-2008, 01:32 PM
Interesting article in the SF Chronicle:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/26/MN4PV8HD2.DTL
Study shows that fewer immigrants land in stir than natural-born citizens. Seems to put the lie to many of the xenophobic slurs slung by saucy servitors of neoconservative muckrakers in this esteemed forum. But, then, who would be surprised to find liars abounding on this tenebrous trampoline of tempestuous temptation? For some of our most irrepressible neoconservative pundits, to lie is to live; ergo, resistance to that temptation to prevaricate about immigrants is a test stronger than sex.
Here is some fact:
Noncitizen men from Mexico between the ages of 18 and 40, which the study indicated were more likely to be in the country illegally, were eight times less likely to be in a "correctional setting," the study found.
The study did not address the visa status of those included among the foreign-born, which would include citizens and noncitizens, including those in the country legally and illegally.
Nonetheless, these results have implications for the current debates over immigration policy, said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report.
"Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," Butcher said in a statement.
So, all of you fence-building xenophobes and nazified nativists, your theses against the innocent braceros as coming here to rape, pillage and plunder are wholly unfounded.
:p
N5NPO
02-26-2008, 01:42 PM
Interesting article in the SF Chronicle:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/26/MN4PV8HD2.DTL
Study shows that fewer immigrants land in stir than natural-born citizens. Seems to put the lie to many of the xenophobic slurs slung by saucy servitors of neoconservative muckrakers in this esteemed forum. But, then, who would be surprised to find liars abounding on this tenebrous trampoline of tempestuous temptation? For some of our most irrepressible neoconservative pundits, to lie is to live; ergo, resistance to that temptation to prevaricate about immigrants is a test stronger than sex.
Here is some fact:
So, all of you fence-building xenophobes and nazified nativists, your theses against the innocent braceros as coming here to rape, pillage and plunder are wholly unfounded.
:p
The article you posted mentioned that they were here illegally... That makes them criminals from the start. They are probably trying to stay "under the radar" because they are here illegally so as to not bring attention to themselves, be discoverd and be deported (ha, like that would actually happen) and or arrested. While we have enough home grown criminals for the legal (?) system to handle now, we do not need the added burden of illegal aliens. Build the fence if we have to to keep them out. Why make it easy for them. We could just adopt and follow Mexico's illegal immigration laws and policies.
KB9BVN
02-26-2008, 02:06 PM
An estimated 20 million illegals are in country now....that's 20 million law breaking criminals that need to be jailed or booted.
Assume we have 380 Million natural born Americans here...the citizens out number the illegals by a factor of 19 to 1. Is the SF Comical just trying to restate the obvious fact that we have them out numbered?
I support a secure border, all of the border.
Yes you are right.
They don't put them in a correctional setting.
They deport them so they can be recycled.
We see it all day long here in AZ.
They get into trouble or an accident (with no valid license or insurance) and hurt people and they send them home.
And just last week a woman who had been here illegally made the news for running a stop sign and killing 4 kids and 2 adults I think it was in a school bus.
Was she a criminal? Maybe not. I don't know if she had a license or insurance but in this case it does not matter to the survivors does it.
My problem with this is not racist at all nor has it anything to do with people looking for a better life.
I have a problem with a government that has rules on the books that they fail to enforce which encourages the problems we have with illegal immigrants.
Don't you just love the logic, they broke the law to get here but they commit fewer crimes than folks who are citizens, I get it, let's get rid of the legal citizens and bring in more illegals, that's the ticket.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=36410
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=38134
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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=39031
W3MIV
02-26-2008, 03:06 PM
...let's get rid of the legal citizens and bring in more illegals, that's the ticket.
I agree. You first.
KG4JYD
02-26-2008, 03:28 PM
The article you posted mentioned that they were here illegally... That makes them criminals from the start. Exactly. Why don't people understand this? :confused:
KD6NIG
02-26-2008, 03:45 PM
I know what we should do!
Lets all illegally immigrate to Mexico!
Oh wait, they would toss us in jail and throw away the key.
That wouldn't be fun at all!
Yet they complain if we do the same to their citizens who are here illegally. Man, you gotta love that kind of contridiction!
Interesting article in the SF Chronicle:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/26/MN4PV8HD2.DTL
Study shows that fewer immigrants land in stir than natural-born citizens. Seems to put the lie to many of the xenophobic slurs slung by saucy servitors of neoconservative muckrakers in this esteemed forum. But, then, who would be surprised to find liars abounding on this tenebrous trampoline of tempestuous temptation? For some of our most irrepressible neoconservative pundits, to lie is to live; ergo, resistance to that temptation to prevaricate about immigrants is a test stronger than sex.
Here is some fact:
So, all of you fence-building xenophobes and nazified nativists, your theses against the innocent braceros as coming here to rape, pillage and plunder are wholly unfounded.
:p
Fewer immigrants are criminals --- I will buy off on that 100%. Folks I hae met who have been lucky enough to get into this country legally are decent, hard working and really appreciate the fact that America does provide opportunities for good life -- you get what you put in.
For the most part, I can say the same about the Illegals I have also met, with one important note that because they came across the boarders illegally technically they are criminals and subject to deportation if caught.
But make no mistake -- for every good "illegal" that comes across the boarder there is also quite a few bad folks that come in............
W3MIV
02-26-2008, 05:27 PM
But make no mistake -- for every good "illegal" that comes across the boarder there is also quite a few bad folks that come in............
The evidence gathered in the study disputes this. Where is your supporting evidence to the contrary?
No wonder they're not in the slammer, they're out there driving and killing people.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=57365
Albert
I don't have the time to look this up now, however, I will see if I have some of the old links and references (on my old computer)
If you want to do a search on south american gangs, this will provide the references you need.
For what it's worth, when I was in the Air Force, spent time down in Panama when they sent a bunch of Cubans down there (1994, 1995). What I saw truely broke my heart. Majority of the folks were families that simply wanted to make a better life for their family (men, women, children), folks you would like to have living next door to you; folks that would do anything in the world to help each other or you asking nothing in return --- out of about 10,000 there were also 800 thugs, rapist, and general scum that caused riots, assulted folks within the camps and stole anything they could get their hands on. That experience jadid me a bit. I 100% support anyone looking for a better life and believe there should be a quick easy way for the law abiding to get in this country. However, I also saw first hand what a hand full of dirt bags can do and under no circumstances should this scum be allowed to get into this country. We have enough challenges without bringing in this type of trouble.
Given my first hand experience, it would only be reasonable to assume the same things are happening on our boarders. Not all folks are bad, but it is not appropriate to think all folks coming across the boarders are good.......
Will see if I can find some stats for you, may be a bit............
Well, they're not all in jail.
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NATION/107250083/1002&template=printart
KG4JYD
02-26-2008, 06:25 PM
I know what we should do!
Lets all illegally immigrate to Mexico!
Oh wait, they would toss us in jail and throw away the key.
No they wouldn't. Mexico is a ####hole except for a few specific spots. They would welcome our money and better standard of living.
W3MIV
02-26-2008, 06:33 PM
...for every good "illegal" that comes across the boarder there is also quite a few bad folks that come in...
...out of about 10,000 there were also 800 thugs...
One "good illegal" out of "quite a few bad folks" in your first quote does not add up to eight out of every one hundred cited in the second.
I'm sorry to say, you are not making any sense here.
One "good illegal" out of "quite a few bad folks" in your first quote does not add up to eight out of every one hundred cited in the second.
I'm sorry to say, you are not making any sense here.
Ok, let's break it down based on my personal experience in Panama.
We had 4 camps of folks, 2500 each that were looking for a chance to get into the United States --- that is 10,000 people looking for a new start. All these folks were suppose to be families, screened, actual folks that could be fast tracked through the State Department process.
Now like usual, anything the government touches will usually turn into a mess and this operation was no exception. Over the course of six months, 4 riots and lots of basic enforcement operations we pulled just short of 800 folks out of this this group that had verified offenses that would land them in jail any place else. This is approximately 7~8%.
What type of offenses? Rape, stabbings, theft, instigating riots, assult and battery. And this does not include the folks standing in line to have sex with a 15 year old girl in exchange for a pack of smokes........... we're talking the truely bad stuff.
"Operation Safe Haven" under the Clinton Administation -- Sept 1994 to Feb 1995"
Like I said, when you see these type of extremes it has a tendancy to color your vision a bit.............
It should also be noted that although I did not support Clinton, the problems experienced during this deployement is nothing within his span of control..... To screw things up it really takes the involvement of the State Department....... :(
There is a problem with the study folks! If you look statistically at the national percentage of illegals vs. U S Citizens in prison you get the picture painted by this "study". If you look at States with high concentrations of illegals you get just the opposite picture.
My many years as a law enforcement officer in California led me to the following observations:
1. Those here illegally are criminals to begin with. Want to argue that? Then change the immigration laws, but until they are changed illegal entry into the United States is (as it should be) a federal crime
2. Some of the most violent criminal enterprise gangs in the USA (Florencia 13, and MS-13) are composed of predominently illegal immigrants
3. Want to curtail the illegal immigrant problem until such time as other measures are employed? Simple...let local law enforcement exercise the authority which they have under federal law to assist ICE in identifying and detaining illegals. But, oh no, we can't do that. Our so-called law enforcement leaders (Sheriff Baca and Chief Bratton of LA to name but a couple) are too afraid of political backlash to do anything like that. Sheriff Joe in Arizona has it right but there are few like him.
4. Heavy fines and or imprisonment for those that employ iliegals, if they have no work, they will self deport.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,329829,00.html
4. Heavy fines and or imprisonment for those that employ iliegals, if they have no work, they will self deport.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,329829,00.html
That is exactly what is happening in Oklahoma. A report the other night says several of the larger school district's population was down from 8-15%. Builders, landscapers, motel owners and such are really bitching about not being able to hire workers and arguing that economy is in the ditch here compared to other states. I can't wait to see how much is saved by hospitals and welfare agencies. Maybe we can now fix the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that desperately need attention.
KG4JYD
02-26-2008, 08:39 PM
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N3ATS
02-26-2008, 11:19 PM
No they wouldn't. Mexico is a ####hole except for a few specific spots. They would welcome our money and better standard of living.
Yeah, and think of all that influence making its way here. Pretty soon, we'll be a third world cesspool too.
K0RGR
02-26-2008, 11:41 PM
Exactly. Why don't people understand this? :confused:
Yes, they have committed a misdemeanor. If they spit on the sidewalk they have committed two misdemeanors.
That is exactly what is happening in Oklahoma. A report the other night says several of the larger school district's population was down from 8-15%. Builders, landscapers, motel owners and such are really bitching about not being able to hire workers and arguing that economy is in the ditch here compared to other states. I can't wait to see how much is saved by hospitals and welfare agencies. Maybe we can now fix the roads, bridges and other infrastructure that desperately need attention.
Their plan is working and the liberals hate it.
K4GUN
02-26-2008, 11:54 PM
The article, the study and the original post in this thread have one thing in common. They attempt to blur the differences between legal and illegal immigrants. To me, there is a world of difference and it bothers the crap out of me that many don't recognize this. There are huge numbers of legal immigrants in this country. They all followed the rules, went through the background checks and I would expect that they would be very law abiding. Illegal immigrants are another matter entirely. By their very presence, they are law breakers. This "study" seems to think that since they are not incarcerated, they are law abiding. They matter of factly ignore this reality.
As to the original poster, don't think that all those who oppose illegal immigration are the "xenophobes and nazified nativists" you imagine us to be. There are substantial numbers of us who welcome legal immigrants and recognize what they bring to this country. We just have a big problem with those who break the rules to get here.
As to the original poster, don't think that all those who oppose illegal immigration are the "xenophobes and nazified nativists" you imagine us to be. There are substantial numbers of us who welcome legal immigrants and recognize what they bring to this country. We just have a big problem with those who break the rules to get here.
And, pray tell, just how do you distinguish an illegal from a legal immigrant from a native-born citizen? Where are those magical goggles?
I think you're an illegal. Up against the wall, bub. Papers, please!
Is that what you want for America? Or do you think that'll only happen to the, ahem, persons of browner persuasion?
Nope, you boarder wedgies are racial bigots at heart. Period, full stop.
W3MIV
02-27-2008, 12:12 AM
As to the original poster, don't think that all those who oppose illegal immigration are the "xenophobes and nazified nativists" you imagine us to be. There are substantial numbers of us who welcome legal immigrants and recognize what they bring to this country. We just have a big problem with those who break the rules to get here.
Sure. You're a real humanist. I can tell. :rolleyes:
KG4JYD
02-27-2008, 12:14 AM
Yes, they have committed a misdemeanor.And they should be deported...
KU0DM
02-27-2008, 12:16 AM
Explain why they should be deported?
Still not very clear on that, and would like a full blown reason other than "They aren't Americans".
KG4JYD
02-27-2008, 12:45 AM
Explain why they should be deported? Because they broke the law, they trespassed, they violated American borders and sovereignty, and they are not supposed to be here.
If they go back and get in line and come in the proper way, that's perfectly ok, but rewarding people who break the law is NOT acceptable.
KU0DM
02-27-2008, 01:07 AM
That's not good enough. We do all of that everyday, and not supposed to be here? That isn't a reason, that's a poorly structured excuse.
Give me content, reason, logic, and results of deporting illegal immigrants one after another.
That's not good enough. We do all of that everyday, and not supposed to be here? That isn't a reason, that's a poorly structured excuse.
Give me content, reason, logic, and results of deporting illegal immigrants one after another.
You have shown you wouldn't understand, so why bother?
I doubt the rest of the country knows about this but they also arrest many known criminals and child molesters here in this area every month coming over the border. It seems like once a month or more child molestors are caught trying to come here.
I am not sure the rest of the country is even aware of this as there is little press on it here.
W3MIV
02-27-2008, 01:33 AM
I doubt the rest of the country knows about this but they also arrest many known criminals and child molesters here in this area every month coming over the border. It seems like once a month or more child molestors are caught trying to come here.
I am not sure the rest of the country is even aware of this as there is little press on it here.
I don't believe you. Show proof of your contention or withdraw it.
KU0DM
02-27-2008, 01:36 AM
You have shown you wouldn't understand, so why bother?
I don't understand why you won't take your time to explain your take on illegal immigration or foreign policies. I don't understand why you all seem to act like your hiding something.
It's the fact that you won't give a straight up answer to my question, I'll understand perfectly if you'd be willing to explain. I have NEVER heard the president explain how their illegal immigration plan works, how deporting them left and right is the "right" thing to do. Maybe I'm ignorant, maybe you won't explain how this is the "right" thing to do, and how your policies work.
So let loose, I can take it, I understand what you'll say if you give to me straight, without the smoke and mirrors.
I don't understand why you won't take your time to explain your take on illegal immigration or foreign policies. I don't understand why you all seem to act like your hiding something.
It's the fact that you won't give a straight up answer to my question, I'll understand perfectly if you'd be willing to explain. I have NEVER heard the president explain how their illegal immigration plan works, how deporting them left and right is the "right" thing to do. Maybe I'm ignorant, maybe you won't explain how this is the "right" thing to do, and how your policies work.
So let loose, I can take it, I understand what you'll say if you give to me straight, without the smoke and mirrors.
Cut off the jobs and they leave on their own. Examples: AZ. OK. Any questions ?
I'm going to open myself up on this one
Here's an idea.
Those illegals that are in the United States now should be given the opportunity to stay, providing the employers that hired them illegally be required to pay all fees, and penalties the government decides to impose.
In addition those same employers should be require to pay state and local government back taxes that would be used to cover costs of education and medical care for the length of time said person has been in the United States.
Those folks that do not have sponsors should be asked to leave and provided with transportation back to their original point of entry
This may not be the nicest solution in the world, but it would give some folks a chance if the folks they are working for are worth anything.
One additional note -- those illegals who commit crimes, are members of violent gangs, etc should be removed with extreme prejudice --those so willing to violate our rights and abuse so much deserve no protection under the law. (Of course that dog won't hunt either.)
The evidence gathered in the study disputes this. Where is your supporting evidence to the contrary?
To postg a "study" as evidence in itself is asking us to take the "study" as truth. Making a study of the acts of illegal aliens is a study of ghosts. The folk being studied who are likely to be a tad on the "more criminal" side certainly are going to be making themselves scarce. Thgose leading an upstanding life in the comunity will be less likely to hide out. your study, by the nature of the subject matter is scewed. I grew up in so cal where the problem is rather serious. as was stated.. those ilegals who are caught doing missdeeds are merely deported and the system hasnt much of a record to study..
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N9MOQ
02-27-2008, 01:45 AM
You don't need a "study" to figure out what percentage of illegal aliens are criminals.
100% of illegal aliens are criminals.
Because it is a crime to enter the US illegally, every single illegal alien is a criminal.
No study required.
Not even .001% of illegal aliens can be considered law abiding.
KU0DM
02-27-2008, 01:54 AM
Cut off the jobs and they leave on their own. Examples: AZ. OK. Any questions ?
What if they left because they didn't have jobs in Mexico?
Then we are stuck with a problem. Why would they want to go back to a place that they were running from, you can't cut off all jobs. If you did then it would be more likely for them to get into illegal work since we can NOT cut those jobs because we don't know what they are.
What if they left because they didn't have jobs in Mexico?
Then we are stuck with a problem. Why would they want to go back to a place that they were running from, you can't cut off all jobs. If you did then it would be more likely for them to get into illegal work since we can NOT cut those jobs because we don't know what they are.
AZ and OK did exactly that. If employers get caught once they are fined, if they get caught twice they loose their business licence for good. How many do you think will take that chance.
N3ATS
02-27-2008, 02:23 AM
What if they left because they didn't have jobs in Mexico?
Then we are stuck with a problem. Why would they want to go back to a place that they were running from, you can't cut off all jobs. If you did then it would be more likely for them to get into illegal work since we can NOT cut those jobs because we don't know what they are.
Boo hoo. Not our problem. The only problem is how to prevent illegals from flooding through the borders and how to round up and send back those here already.
K4GUN
02-27-2008, 02:33 AM
Sure. You're a real humanist. I can tell. :rolleyes:
Ummm... thank you? You guys are a laugh. You and WU8Y are ready to call me a racist and bigot because I proclaim myself to be conservative. Might I suggest that it is not I who is pre-judiging my fellow man. Rarely will you find a person as accepting of legal immigrants as I am unaccepting of illegals. I don't assume all people who look and sound like they are from another country are illegal. If I discover a person is here illegally, I'm pretty uninterested in much else about them. Everything else is tainted by the fact that they cheated to get what others worked for.
N3ATS
02-27-2008, 02:41 AM
Everything else is tainted by the fact that they cheated to get what others worked for.
That doesn't matter anymore. All that matters is what you can get your hands on for free. Get yours and keep it OM. Millions are trying to steal it from you.
What if they left because they didn't have jobs in Mexico?
That's hilarious.
With NAFTA, there are tons of jobs in Mexico.
Then we are stuck with a problem. Why would they want to go back to a place that they were running from, you can't cut off all jobs. If you did then it would be more likely for them to get into illegal work since we can NOT cut those jobs because we don't know what they are.
They come here because the exchange rate of the US dollar enables them to send money home and have their families live like royalty, or make some US dollars and go back home and retire, live like a king.
As an immigrant, I know this, because I am making 10x the money I make now than I made in my former home country, and if I take my life savings now and go back to Trinidad I could safely retire.
N5NPO
02-27-2008, 03:28 AM
And, pray tell, just how do you distinguish an illegal from a legal immigrant from a native-born citizen? Where are those magical goggles?
I think you're an illegal. Up against the wall, bub. Papers, please!
Is that what you want for America? Or do you think that'll only happen to the, ahem, persons of browner persuasion?
Nope, you boarder wedgies are racial bigots at heart. Period, full stop.
Definition of biggot... Someone winning an argument with a liberal.
W3MIV
02-27-2008, 11:11 AM
Ummm... thank you? You guys are a laugh. You and WU8Y are ready to call me a racist and bigot because I proclaim myself to be conservative. Might I suggest that it is not I who is pre-judiging my fellow man. Rarely will you find a person as accepting of legal immigrants as I am unaccepting of illegals. I don't assume all people who look and sound like they are from another country are illegal. If I discover a person is here illegally, I'm pretty uninterested in much else about them. Everything else is tainted by the fact that they cheated to get what others worked for.
Please show me where I called you a racist.
K4GUN
02-28-2008, 01:15 AM
Please show me where I called you a racist.
You didn't. WU8Y did. You merely gave the sarcastic eye roll while saying I'm a "real humanist". The sarcasm of course indicating that you don't actually believe that which leaves you with plausible denyability about what you actually meant. Note that my reply was directed at both of you, addressing different parts to each of you.
The battle with the ACLU is not over.
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ac5de
02-29-2008, 01:20 AM
I do believe that the Federal Prison System reports that about 40% of all prisioners are illegal aliens.
I look at the study that you are so enamored by and can't help thinking by the way it delivers the statisticsof the old adage "Figures don't lie,but liars figure"
I do believe that the Federal Prison System reports that about 40% of all prisioners are illegal aliens.
I look at the study that you are so enamored by and can't help thinking by the way it delivers the statisticsof the old adage "Figures don't lie,but liars figure"
Prove it.
I don't believe the 40% number, and no, I'm not doing your research for you.
You xenophobes pull numbers out of the air and expect everyone to buy your BS.
A possible fault with this study, there were agreements with Mexico providing Mexican nationals to serve their sentences back in Mexico. That might explain their low numbers in US institutions (we have too many of our own already). I'm not totally certain that agreement is still in place.
K4GUN
03-01-2008, 04:29 PM
Prove it.
I don't believe the 40% number, and no, I'm not doing your research for you.
You xenophobes pull numbers out of the air and expect everyone to buy your BS.
I was not the one who posted the 40% figure, but a quick google search brings up plenty of references to an Investors Business Daily report from 2005 which used figures provided by the DOJ. Within the federal prison population, illegals make up 17%, as compared to only 3% of the total population. The nubmers in the states is considerably higher, but the article is more vague on that. It could be between 20 and 33%. Again, that's not the 40% that was posted, but its certainly out of proportion to their numbers which was the point.
No, the point was to exaggerate, which was done. 17% doesn't equal 40% not even using xenophobe math. It's also a fact that IBD is not the world's most unbiased source.
Your own post speculates. It's one thing to argue with facts in hand, it's another to simply lie to make your point, which was MY point to begin with.
The immigrant thing has really broken down to lots of emotion and racism, with little regard to reality.
Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA
I was not the one who posted the 40% figure, but a quick google search brings up plenty of references to an Investors Business Daily report from 2005 which used figures provided by the DOJ. Within the federal prison population, illegals make up 17%, as compared to only 3% of the total population. The nubmers in the states is considerably higher, but the article is more vague on that. It could be between 20 and 33%. Again, that's not the 40% that was posted, but its certainly out of proportion to their numbers which was the point.
WB2WIK
03-02-2008, 12:52 AM
A lot of the illegals aren't convicted of anything even when caught violating multiple laws.
My own personal example: I was with Stu, WA6NCN when he was literally run off the road by the driver of a car going sideways on the Ventury Freeway. That driver's car came from the bushes alongside the highway and darted sideways across traffic, hitting Stu's car, causing it to spin out of control, and then her car came to rest against the center divider after she crashed into it.
We called 911 on a cellphone and the police were on site pretty quickly, maybe 5 mins later. An ambulance arrived a minute after that.
They took Stu off to the hospital with a broken sternum and multiple head lacerations from him slamming into the steering wheel (his seat belt/shoulder harness prevented more damage than that, and due to the nature of the side impact his air bag did not inflate). I was okay and stayed on scene with the cops.
Upon investigating the "other" car (the one recklessly driven by a young lady), the cops found (as reported to me at the scene) that she:
-Had no drivers license
-Was underage to be driving with minor passengers (in CA, you have to be over 18 to do that, or over 17 with one year's licensed driving experience)
-Had two toddlers in the car, neither of which were in approved car seats
-Had no insurance
-And, was in illegal immigrant
She didn't speak English, but one of the cops was fluent in Spanish and got all the information pretty quickly.
The end result? She wasn't issued a ticket, since she had no license. There was no license to suspend or revoke. She didn't have any insurance, so Stu's "totaled" vehicle remained his burden and that of his own insurance company. She didn't show up in court for the hearing, and was never heard from again regarding this case.
People like this are way under the radar and aren't part of any statistic, but there are a hell of a lot of them. I hear similar stories all the time.
No way to calculate how many of them there are.
WB2WIK/6
vk6zgo
03-02-2008, 02:04 AM
An estimated 20 million illegals are in country now....that's 20 million law breaking criminals that need to be jailed or booted.
Assume we have 380 Million natural born Americans here...the citizens out number the illegals by a factor of 19 to 1. Is the SF Comical just trying to restate the obvious fact that we have them out numbered?
I support a secure border, all of the border.
Actually,your figures are wrong.According to the US Bureau of Statistics,your total population is 303,543,997 .(I don't know why they don't make it 303,534,000--they might have mis- counted by 3:p.
Be that as it may,the USA is unique in having a huge population & a high standard of living.
You may notice there are not huge numbers of Australians ,New Zealanders & Canadians trying to enter your country,just people from poor countries.
Poor people try to enter Australia too,but its a lot further to travel & more
arduous.
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