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W3MIV
02-19-2008, 03:56 PM
Things may be getting far harsher as desperation continues to deflate the Klinton Kampaign's already thin sense of ethics. This from Jake Tapper:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-camp-al.html


“I swear it is not happening now, but as we get closer to the convention, if it is a stalemate, everybody will be going after everybody’s delegates,” a senior Clinton official told Simon yesterday. “All the rules will be going out the window.”

The Obama campaign responded harshly this morning.

“As it becomes increasingly clear that Senator Clinton may not be able to secure the nomination by winning the support of actual voters, the Clinton campaign has once again floated a strategy that would essentially say that the preference of Democratic voters is a mere obstacle to their win-at-all-costs strategy," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. "First, they said they’ll try to seat the non-existent delegates in Florida and Michigan, something that neutral party leaders have roundly criticized. Then, they suggested that superdelegates should consider subverting the will of the voters and the pledged delegates, which has also been strongly objected to.

“Their new strategy will be to convince delegates that were pledged by actual Democratic voters to switch sides. In their own words, ‘all the rules will be going out the window.’ Voters are already rejecting the Clinton campaign’s say-or-do-anything-to-win tactics, and this is the latest example that it’s time to turn the page on this type of politics that could severely harm our party’s chances to win the general election."

This thing reminds me more and more of the Florida recount. And just as with that contest, the point is not to "count every vote" -- but to win.

At any cost. Using any tactics. But, then, who would ever have expected anything else from the Klintons?

N9XR
02-19-2008, 04:36 PM
Things may be getting far harsher as desperation continues to deflate the Klinton Kampaign's already thin sense of ethics. This from Jake Tapper:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-camp-al.html



At any cost. Using any tactics. But, then, who would ever have expected anything else from the Klintons?

Sounds like the Supreme Court decision to place the President in 2000. She is using the Rove play book now, and there will be little to stop her.

W3MIV
02-19-2008, 05:17 PM
Sounds like the Supreme Court decision to place the President in 2000. She is using the Rove play book now, and there will be little to stop her.

Worse, Jerry. Far worse.

It is one thing to stand at the door of the White House and pull every lever and use every trick, tool or gambit to gain entry. It is quite another to do this sort of thing at a primary stage, only to become the nominee. Such a fight will wound the Party deeply, and it may well add up to a difference that could benefit McCain in the end.

The Democrats have never had as good an opportunity since 1992 (even Carter might have beaten Bob Dole), and a really divisive and rancorous fight at the convention could easily drive many "weaker" elements across the aisle. McCain has shown himself to be very attractive to many "moderates," being weakest among the far right of his own party. That far right, however, has no other option than to vote for McCain or see the Democrats win. Disaffected Democrats and Independents could easily make the difference.

N9XR
02-19-2008, 05:33 PM
I am clueless what you are talking about. You are saying that what she is doing is more divisive than calling your opponent "The F@g Candidate" like Dubya did to McCain in 2000?

That really pulled the party together.

Dubya also used veterans groups in the primaries to call McCain "The Manchurian Candidate" in 2000.

That was so kind of Dubya, I can see why he garnered such support and held the party together.

W3MIV
02-19-2008, 06:56 PM
I am clueless what you are talking about.

I am looking forward to the convention. I don't care how much either Clinton or Obama scratch each other's eyes out BEFORE the convention, but I would hope that one of the two would have amassed the kind of popular vote totals in the primaries to be regarded as the agreed-upon nominee, and that the other would acquiesce in that decision rather than continue to brawl and bring in the lawyers, etc.

At present, it appears that Obama will be far ahead of Clinton in total number of popular votes. That matters, to my mind, more than what the machines want to decide.

N2RJ
02-19-2008, 07:52 PM
Democratic party my (democratic party symbol)! (http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/report-clinton-aiming-to-draw-pledged-delegates-from-obama/)

More dirty tricks from Billary!

Looks like the will of the people come in dead last.

kc2orw
02-19-2008, 08:01 PM
More dirty tricks from Billary!
Looks like the will of the people come in dead last.
which could cause some disaffection in the Democrat party and allow McCain to win in the fall, oh well...