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kc2orw
02-17-2008, 04:28 PM
Republicans, gee that would be hard to imagine considering that they used him as a dupe to promote war based on bad intelligence at the least and outright lies at the worst. Take your pick liars or keystone cops got to be one or the other.
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Former US secretary of state Colin Powell said Sunday he was weighing his options in the 2008 White House race, hinting he may cross party lines and vote against the Republican nominee.
"I will vote for the candidate I think can do the best job in America. Whether that candidate is a Republican or Democrat or an independent," Powell told CNN's "Late Edition."
"Frankly, we lost a lot in recent years," Powell added in a swipe at the administration of President George W. Bush, under whom he served as secretary of state from 2001 to 2005.
Powell, a top general and former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said he would vote for the candidate with a vision "that starts to restore confidence in America. That starts to restore favorable ratings to America."
"I am going to be looking for the candidate that seems to me to be leading a party that is fully in sync with the candidate and a party that will also reflect America's goodness and America's vision."
He also praised Democratic hopeful Barack Obama, who is also an African-American, and locked in a battle for the White House nomination with Hillary Clinton.
Doesn't sound like any "could care less" Republicans does it?
Source Story:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g5iG-pbWi7Ea1rXRYpjWh5hmzQuQ
Colin Powell is, and always has been, concerned about one person, Colin Powell.
KA8DKT
02-17-2008, 05:01 PM
Hopefully, Powell has learned his lessons. I now wonder, though.
I recently learned that Powell was one of the ghosted authors of the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses" (Aug 2000). And that Powell was also a significant contributor to the "Defense Planning Guidance" written in 1992 also by Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. I have referred to the "Rebuilding..." paper many times before and have even quoted from it, but I suspect only one or two of the usual posters on this site, if any, have actually troubled themselves to read it.
This makes Powell, for at least a time, a member of the Cheney Club of World Domination through America's military force.
American domination of the world through America's military might (starting, by the way, specifically in the Middle East) is the prevailing theme of these papers, among the legal and social changes required to maintain this domination. Subjugation of individual rights and freedoms and control of the media are a part of the changes necessary.
The first mentioned paper is easily available at the PNAC web site. The second was a classified document that got leaked to the press in draft form. Currently, there are selected excerpts from this now apparently declassified paper on their site as well.
The "Defense Planning Guidance" paper was also well covered by the press in '92-'93. I think the only reason that it did not get even greater hue and cry was no one really believed that Cheney would really do such a thing.
Well, I guess we know better now, don't we?
-gary
W3MIV
02-17-2008, 05:14 PM
Forgive me if I point out that Powell says exactly nothing in the article you cite. By saying he "may cross party lines," he also avers he may not. It is telling that you find this sort of ambiguity a crutch on which to lean.
Republicans, gee that would be hard to imagine considering that they used him as a dupe to promote war based on bad intelligence at the least and outright lies at the worst. Take your pick liars or keystone cops got to be one or the other.
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Former US secretary of state Colin Powell said Sunday he was weighing his options in the 2008 White House race, hinting he may cross party lines and vote against the Republican nominee.
"I will vote for the candidate I think can do the best job in America. Whether that candidate is a Republican or Democrat or an independent," Powell told CNN's "Late Edition."
"Frankly, we lost a lot in recent years," Powell added in a swipe at the administration of President George W. Bush, under whom he served as secretary of state from 2001 to 2005.
Powell, a top general and former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said he would vote for the candidate with a vision "that starts to restore confidence in America. That starts to restore favorable ratings to America."
"I am going to be looking for the candidate that seems to me to be leading a party that is fully in sync with the candidate and a party that will also reflect America's goodness and America's vision."
He also praised Democratic hopeful Barack Obama, who is also an African-American, and locked in a battle for the White House nomination with Hillary Clinton.
Doesn't sound like any "could care less" Republicans does it?
Source Story:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g5iG-pbWi7Ea1rXRYpjWh5hmzQuQ
KA8DKT
02-18-2008, 04:19 AM
This is a poorly written article from a journalistic point of view. Gratuitous remarks such as "Frankly, we lost a lot in recent years," Powell added in a swipe at the administration of President George W. Bush, under whom he served as secretary of state from 2001 to 2005. [my emphasis]
lessen the credibility of the reportage. As 'MIV pointed out there was little real information in this article. By the way the AFP is the Agence France-Presse, sort of like our Associated Press but apparently not quite as thorough.
If one assumes that Powell was a unwitting dupe of the bush administration, then we can give him some slack for being a little bitter. However, it seems that perhaps Powell had more complicity in the overall scheme that even I had originally thought.
By the way, in person Powell is an brilliant and engaging speaker. It is hard not to believe every word he says.
-gary
kc2orw
02-18-2008, 09:05 PM
This is a poorly written article from a journalistic point of view. Gratuitous remarks such as
lessen the credibility of the reportage. As 'MIV pointed out there was little real information in this article. By the way the AFP is the Agence France-Presse, sort of like our Associated Press but apparently not quite as thorough.
If one assumes that Powell was a unwitting dupe of the bush administration, then we can give him some slack for being a little bitter. However, it seems that perhaps Powell had more complicity in the overall scheme that even I had originally thought.
By the way, in person Powell is an brilliant and engaging speaker. It is hard not to believe every word he says.
-gary
Your right I actually saw the CNN interview he was his usual ambiguous self, nothing new. However he did show some enthusiasm for Obama's positions on talking to the enemy something the current administration shows to much resistance towards. You can probably find the interview on the CNN web site and make your own assessment of what he meant. Wolf Blitzer did the interview a week ago on Sunday. With people like Powell it is more what they don't say then what they say, typical diplomatic type :D
The "Defense Planning Guidance" paper was also well covered by the press in '92-'93. I think the only reason that it did not get even greater hue and cry was no one really believed that Cheney would really do such a thing.
That is how they get away with this stuff it seems almost impossible to believe. But after shifting their claimed reasons around too many times many started to wonder, not act but wonder?
W3MIV
02-18-2008, 09:21 PM
With people like Powell it is more what they don't say then what they say...
Which is to say even less than the little or nothing said in the original article. Let us know what he didn't say about the stock market so as to help allay our fears of recession or about hog belly futures so we may feather our nests.
kc2orw
02-18-2008, 09:23 PM
Man you really are a bore Commander McBragg shall I go around and extract all the Medium Wave quotes you use/paraphrase around this section? :D
W3MIV
02-18-2008, 09:47 PM
Man you really are a bore Commander McBragg shall I go around and extract all the Medium Wave quotes you use/paraphrase around this section? :D
Feel free, if you can find any "medium wave quotes," by which I take it you refer to some AM radio stuff to which I do not listen. So far, you have not shown much originality. You can't even dream up an insult, simply copying that of another.
K0RGR
02-18-2008, 09:49 PM
How about an Obama/Powell ticket?
W3MIV
02-18-2008, 09:50 PM
How about an Obama/Powell ticket?
You're right. Since he didn't talk about that, either, that must mean it is as good as ready for launch!
:rolleyes: