WWII tpye scenario ever again?

[KU0DM]

I was thinking about this:

During WWII, because of fear of the Japanese, spread both by Government and media, we rounded them up and moved them to a secure area. Unjustly in my opinion, but that's what happened.

With how the war in Iraq and war against Terrorism is being handled, spreading paranoia against muslims and their "kind". Again, both by government and media.
When I pick up a paper, it never says "Radical Muslims" or "Muslim Extremists", just "Muslims"

Do you think a situation similar to what unfolded in America during WWII, could occur again because of how we address our enemy, or more accurately our fears?

[KU0DM]

pay no attention to the typo in the subject line. :rolleyes:

[KC9JIQ]

Don't worry, the last resort of an Internet poster when they don't have a point, is to become a syntax nazi.

I do believe there will be a world war three, the final war, with nuclear weapons. A pure chain reaction.

I expect this to happen when America is no longer a superpower, which is coming seemingly really fast: unstable currency, military's back being broken in Iraq, etc.

[AE6IP]

There are two reasonable views to take: either WW-II never ended, or WW-III started shortly after.

The first view ignores the realignment of the players, so I'm inclined to go with the second.

The so-called "cold war", which was really a series of surrogate hot wars in third world countries didn't end in those countries when the world parties walked away from the conflicts. The hot wars festered and flared at turns.

The breakup of the former Soviet Union, the unwillingess of the west to capitalize on that with a new Marshall plan, and the ill advised interferance of the US into the second world have created more, not less instability; more, not less fuel; and more, not less reason for the war mongers to mong their wares.

[K5RCD]

:cool:I was thinking about this:

During WWII, because of fear of the Japanese, spread both by Government and media, we rounded them up and moved them to a secure area. Unjustly in my opinion, but that's what happened.

With how the war in Iraq and war against Terrorism is being handled, spreading paranoia against muslims and their "kind". Again, both by government and media.
When I pick up a paper, it never says "Radical Muslims" or "Muslim Extremists", just "Muslims"

Do you think a situation similar to what unfolded in America during WWII, could occur again because of how we address our enemy, or more accurately our fears?

First off, I point out that the Quran (Koran) does not contain most of the hyperbole and rhetoric cited by the Muslim extremists and their so called leaders. If you read it you will find it no more inflammatory than the various Christian Bibles. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

It is not belief in Islam itself that is so dangerous to the non-Muslim world, but the ramblings of those who claim to speak for Islam and call for the extermination of all non believers. The 72 virgins and most of that crap is NOT part of the Quran. Also, the majority of Muslims throughout the world HAVE NEVER READ THE QURAN. In fact, figures have been bandied about that 50 to 60% of Muslims worldwide are illiterate. I cannot vouch for those figures but looking at the third world nations which account for much of the Muslim population leads me to believe that some significant percentage of so called Muslims don't really know what their own religion is REALLY all about. I personally believe that Islam in and of itself IS a peaceful religion, or at least is meant to be.

Having said that, I make the following points:

There are some in the Muslim world, in positions of leadership, (for whatever reasons) who would like nothing better than to plunge the entire world into war, chaos and mass destruction. The way they see it is that the lives of many Muslims are not as far removed from the stone age as the rest of the world. If the world as we now know it were turned topsy - turvy, who would be most able to survive and endure? We in western Civilization who have come to depend on massive infrastructure to survive (our food chain, water, electricity and other necessities) or those who already are existing day to day by raising a few goats, camels and eking out a meager living in nearly inhospitable terrain?

If Muslim terrorists and their supporters (even though they may be a small minority) were to so outrage our world by committing some unthinkable act(s) such as a nuclear bomb or two in our crowded cities, massacring a large number of our children in their school rooms (there are some fears and supposedly some evidence that this may already be in the planning stage), large scale sabotage of our food supply, the release of some type of biological agent that would kill millions worldwide, it would likely have the effect of causing the average formerly peace loving individual to take to the streets against anyone who even LOOKS like they could be a Muslim. After all, the majority of peaceful Muslims in our civilization have NOT spoken out in mass emphatically renouncing the radical minority.

There would probably be lynchings and even widespread murder and mayhem by the citizenry at large. If anyone doubts this could happen they should ask themselves what THEY would do if THEIR lives and the lives of their children were threatened and they were powerless to stop it. A few million innocent Americans or Europeans killed instantly by a terrorist nuclear bomb, or a few thousand innocent children murdered in their school rooms by gangs of terrorists is enough to incite mass "retaliation against the evil Muslims".

In answer to the question posed above, NO the government wouldn't round up Muslims and put them in concentration camps, there probably wouldn't be enough of them left in the the effected countries for the government to worry about.

If this occurs it will not be "because of how we address our enemy, or more accurately our fears?" but only in response to some terrible massive overt act(s) of terrorism.


AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TERRORIST LEADERS WANT !

They believe this would cause a worldwide uprising of ALL Muslims against the "infidels" in which they of course believe they would eventually be victorious. These folks (again, admittedly in the minority) want to kill, destroy, eliminate ALL the "infidels". Not just Americans or Europeans, or Jews or Catholics, or all Christians. They want to destroy EVERYONE ,from Amish through Zoroasters, including atheists and all other Muslims who are not as crazy as THEY are. How ya going to deal with THAT mentality? You think "dialog" or "working out our differences" or trying to figure out "why they so despise us" is going to work?

I disagree with the statement:
"With how the war in Iraq and war against Terrorism is being handled, spreading paranoia against muslims and their "kind". Again, both by government and media. When I pick up a paper, it never says "Radical Muslims" or "Muslim Extremists", just "Muslims" .

Most news account I have seen have gone out of their way to stress that it is the Muslim "extremists" who are responsible for the violence and use the terms "Islamic militants, radicals or extremists" almost to a fault.

Unless and until the moderate, peaceful Muslim majority of the world finds it's voice and speaks out loudly in unison against what is going on, I fear the worst is yet to come.

There is still hope that some unrelated events may transpire causing mankind to turn our backs on our differences and to come together, but it might take an event so cataclysmic that it would make the scenario outlined above pale in comparison.

Hopefully some calmer voices in the Muslim world may come forward and try to bridge the gaps. That is my fervent hope.

So that my message is not misunderstood, I want to make it clear again that I harbor no animosity to Muslims or Islam, only toward the "nut case" radical minority.
I do not think it is inevitable that war and further hostilities will necessarily transpire. I DO think it is time for the peaceful majority of Muslims to step up to the plate around the world and say "enough is enough". There is no reason that Christians, Jews, Muslims, all other religions, Atheists, Agnostics, Satan worshipers, you name it, cannot live together in peace.

http://capitalstyle.ca/site/images/stories/worldpeace.jpg :cool:

[KU0DM]

I agree, and am not saying that relegions can't coexist peacefully, it's that their followers don't want them to.

Straying off topic a bit:
I am being raised Catholic (however I resent, I do not believe much of what the church tells us to), but one example of why relegions can't coexist peacefully, is everyone thinks they're right, and no one else is. We were reading something in my relegion class, about how god gave Catholics and Catholics ONLY the whole truth, and gave no one else the truth. That is the main reason why I think relegions can coexist peacefully (new term of the day).

I agreed with several points you made. Very well written on your part.

I heard a comparison of the Radical/Extremists Muslims to the German Nazis.
Not that they kill anyone they don't like, but their presence is what prevents the majority of the Muslims from coming out and saying enough is enough.
Just like with the Nazis, they used scare tactics for everyone to join their view, and I have heard comparisons of that to what Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc are doing.

I wouldn't say that is exactly accurate, but it is certainly interesting listening to different discussions/people comparing the current situation with what happened during WWII.

[K5RCD]

"I heard a comparison of the Radical/Extremists Muslims to the German Nazis.
Not that they kill anyone they don't like, but their presence is what prevents the majority of the Muslims from coming out and saying enough is enough.
Just like with the Nazis, they used scare tactics for everyone to join their view, and I have heard comparisons of that to what Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc are doing.

I wouldn't say that is exactly accurate, but it is certainly interesting listening to different discussions/people comparing the current situation with what happened during WWII"
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I agree that you cite what is probably the major reason that their voices have so far been stifled.

Perhaps a Muslim version of Rosa Parks or Dr. Martin Luther King will some day have the courage to step forward and get the ball rolling.

I believe they would be well received by Americans.
http://www.nubianlink.com/images/angela%20bassett-nubianlink.jpg http://www.openentrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/drking.jpg :cool:

[K0RGR]

"I heard a comparison of the Radical/Extremists Muslims to the German Nazis.
Not that they kill anyone they don't like, but their presence is what prevents the majority of the Muslims from coming out and saying enough is enough.
Just like with the Nazis, they used scare tactics for everyone to join their view, and I have heard comparisons of that to what Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc are doing.

I wouldn't say that is exactly accurate, but it is certainly interesting listening to different discussions/people comparing the current situation with what happened during WWII"
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I agree that you cite what is probably the major reason that their voices have so far been stifled.

Perhaps a Muslim version of Rosa Parks or Dr. Martin Luther King will some day have the courage to step forward and get the ball rolling.

I believe they would be well received by Americans.
http://www.nubianlink.com/images/angela%20bassett-nubianlink.jpg http://www.openentrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/drking.jpg :cool:


I think perhaps what's needed is a Muslim Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King.

[K5RCD]

I think perhaps what's needed is a Muslim Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King.


I respectfully disagree.

The point I was making is that someone with the COURAGE of a Dr. Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks is now desperately needed to speak out in the Muslim world.

Martin Luther, although quite courageous himself, is known for reforming the church by challenging the Papacy that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority, and for translating the Bible into German, making it available to the masses.

What is needed NOW in my humble opinion is NOT a reformation of the religion of Islam, but a major voice within Islam to lead the Muslim masses to RETURN TO the basic peaceful teaching of the Koran and away from the rabid gleanings of the mad men who are spewing hatred and hoping to effect the collapse of western civilization,

If all of Islam followed the teaching of the Koran, the world would probably be living together in harmony. If Martin Luther were alive today perhaps he would transcribe the Koran onto MP3s or CDs and make them available (along with an inexpensive player) to the many illiterate among the Muslim world. :cool:

MARTIN LUTHER
http://unashamedworkman.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/luther.jpg

Dr. MARTIN LUTHER KING http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AGF/9414~Martin-Luther-King-Dream-Posters.jpg

[k8cpa]

Uhm.... Ya'll ever read this?

Click Here (http://www.martinlutherking.org/)

What y'all think? Truth or Propaganda?

[K3XR]

I was thinking about this:

During WWII, because of fear of the Japanese, spread both by Government and media, we rounded them up and moved them to a secure area. Unjustly in my opinion, but that's what happened.

With how the war in Iraq and war against Terrorism is being handled, spreading paranoia against muslims and their "kind". Again, both by government and media.
When I pick up a paper, it never says "Radical Muslims" or "Muslim Extremists", just "Muslims"

Do you think a situation similar to what unfolded in America during WWII, could occur again because of how we address our enemy, or more accurately our fears?

This is another LIB fairytale, notice they fail to mention the name of the great LIB/Socialist Roosevelt, that interned the Japanese Americans.

Can you link to one main stream LIB media report that indicates the enemy we are fighting are "just Muslims". The enemy we are fighting are Islamic fascists, who use their religion as an excuse to commit terrorist acts around the world, that would not hesitate to cut your head off, if given a chance.

[K5RCD]

Uhm.... Ya'll ever read this?

(Offensive link removed by K5RCD)

What y'all think? Truth or Propaganda?


I think it is a bigoted and hateful website. :mad:

I really wish you had not posted that link. It is overtly racist in nature and adds nothing to the discussion at hand. (Please note that by no means am I suggesting that YOU are racist, and mean you no disrespect).

I hope the moderators will delete the link, not for censorship of a point of view, but because it is in terribly bad taste.

Dr. King is no longer here to be able to defend himself so he is an easy target. He may not have been perfect but he was a brave and dedicated man of peace.

http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/no-racism.jpg

For the record: I am neither a liberal nor a minority. I am an ugly, old, white, floppy eared, bald headed fat boy, and a conservative who happens to believe that America is a much better place because of The Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King JR. :cool:

[kb2vxa]

"Perhaps a Muslim version of Rosa Parks or Dr. Martin Luther King will some day have the courage to step forward and get the ball rolling."

She did, it was, BOOM! So much for the Islamic voice of reason.

[K3XR]

Try this WWII scenario, the Brits PM Chamberlain did, it's called appeasement.

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/spanish_appeasement_backfires.html

[K3XR]

Amazing what some, here, would surrender, in the name of political correctness. That the moderators should delete any link, left or right, is unAmerican. This is what offends me.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=AE1AE743-9F2B-448A-BCF4-2D702EC6844C

[K3XR]

"First they came for the gays", will it happen here??

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/first_they_came_for_the_gays.php

[K3XR]

Real scenarios to be concerned about....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=D96619B1-E105-43F2-9505-AE84B9213187

[KG4JYD]

It's already happened in some isolated cases.

Read Judge Napolitano's book "Nation of Sheep" and "Constitution in Exile" and "Constitutional Chaos"

http://www.judgenap.com/

[w4aut]

I not a very politcal man.. I have learned a simple but painful truth after fighting in a "WAR".....The poor man fight's the rich mans war and pays his taxes...Because the rich man will not do either one.........As for the War on Terror.....As we said in Vietnam...Kill'em all and let God sort them out....

[K0RGR]

Uhm.... Ya'll ever read this?

Click Here (http://www.martinlutherking.org/)

What y'all think? Truth or Propaganda?

It reads like propaganda, or something written by J. Edgar Hoover, who strongly believed King was a communist. It also sounds a lot like things published by the KKK about King. The most interesting thing is it attributes phrases used only in recent times by certain braindead radio conservatives and their adoring listeners to people writing 40 years in the past.

King was a human being, and no doubt fallible. We know he was alleged to have played around - it didn't seem to upset Mr.s King much, if true. We know some of his people had been communists in their youth - 30 years before they joined his movement. We also know that he led a movement that freed a lot of people - something too many others haven't gotten over yet.

Next, you'll tell me that the negroes were well treated until those northerners arrived and made them all so uppity...

[K3XR]

Try this "scenario".

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59995

[K3XR]

Sure looks like WWII.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=51F8227F-2D46-469C-93E7-1DE569EB5BC3

[K3XR]

Where's your kid going to school??
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=EDF90AB2-753F-4018-8927-1D171A828C46