Barack Obama

[AE6IP]

Some while back, a number of Ron Paul fans on QRZ whined at me for not declaring support of a candidate.

At that time, I told them that I had no yet done sufficient research, but that I would do so if there were still a race on Tsunami Tuesday, which is when I vote in the primaries, being a California resident.

It is now clear that there is still a race.

It is now clear that none of the third party candidates currently declared can be taken seriously.

It is now clear that none of the five men actually in the race for the Republican nomination would be any improvement over the current administration.

It has always been clear that the remaining declared Republican candidate should stay in the delivery room and out of the White House.

This leaves, then, Democrats.

It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

The question then, is whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is likely to be a better leader in the political climate they would face in their first term in office.

I do not know the answer.

But I do know how their approach to office would differ, based on their history, and Ms Clinton's scorched earth approach to disagreements sicken me, while Mr Obama has a reputation for working with the opposition towards compromise rather than attempting to overwhelm them.

For that reason, of the seven people who might yet become the next president of the United States, I shall cast my primary ballot for Mr Obama.

[WB8MKV]

What a waste

[kc2orw]

Yes we need to get rid of White Supremacist Hams, vote for Obama, yay!

[al2n]

So you would vote for a sexist/racist?

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,12:40)]So you would vote for a sexist/racist?
OK now Mike, let's not get carried away! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Obama is the socialist's socialist candidate, but calling him a racist is not fair. He only belongs to a racist church, and since it is a black church, then you can't say that.

[al2n]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 21 2008,13:56)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,12:40)]So you would vote for a sexist/racist?
OK now Mike, let's not get carried away! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Obama is the socialist's socialist candidate, but calling him a racist is not fair. He only belongs to a racist church, and since it is a black church, then you can't say that.
Just commenting on his campaign tactics the last few weeks is all. Obama and Hillary let their true colors show on the issues of race and sex and no one seems to care.

Folks around here seem intent on bashing Paul for stuff written back in the 90's, but they are willing to turn a blind eye to the stuff being said here and now.

Oh well, the sheeple will get their chance to vote for the winner and feel good about it. Guess that is all that matters.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,13:10)]Oh well, the sheeple will get their chance to vote for the winner and feel good about it. Guess that is all that matters.
They will actually be proudest if they are in the middle of the middle of the flock. Alaska is still Bear country, and sheep are tasty when separated from those who lead and sheer them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[N2RJ]

Don't worry, sMarty is a closet Hillary supporter and he's only saying this because Hillary is pulling ahead.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,12:40)]So you would vote for a sexist/racist?
All the candidates have failings.

Obama's racism, such as it might be, is a tiny failing, compared to his strengths.

I've seen no evidence that he is any more sexist than one expects from this generation.

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ Jan. 21 2008,15:33)]Yes we need to get rid of White Supremacist Hams, vote for Obama, yay!
What about Black Supremacist presidential candidates?

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 21 2008,12:56)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,12:40)]So you would vote for a sexist/racist?
OK now Mike, let's not get carried away! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Obama is the socialist's socialist candidate, but calling him a racist is not fair. He only belongs to a racist church, and since it is a black church, then you can't say that.
If his church is racist, then it should be described as such. Nobody gets a pass because of the color of their skin, no matter which shade it is.

As far as I can tell, his church is 'racist' in the same way that the any organization that boosts its community is a booster.

Have you evidence that there is harm coming from this boosterism?

Not that the behavior of the church proper matters, as we are interested in the relative merit of Mr Obama as President, weighed against Ms Clinton and the five Republicans who are still in the race.

Whatever his private predilictions, Mr Obama's track record indicates that he is the most likely of those to do the least harm in the four years of his first term.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,13:10)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 21 2008,13:56)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,12:40)]So you would vote for a sexist/racist?
OK now Mike, let's not get carried away! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Obama is the socialist's socialist candidate, but calling him a racist is not fair. He only belongs to a racist church, and since it is a black church, then you can't say that.
Just commenting on his campaign tactics the last few weeks is all. Obama and Hillary let their true colors show on the issues of race and sex and no one seems to care.

I doubt that you're really naive enough to think that any attack by Ms Clinton shows anything more than opportunism.

But I wonder, how do you describe all of the ink spilt over the tactics of the past few weeks, if "no one seems to care"?

Quote[/b] ]Folks around here seem intent on bashing Paul for stuff written back in the 90's, but they are willing to turn a blind eye to the stuff being said here and now.

Indeed. Shame on those folks. They should be bashing Paul for failing to take, and at times, dodge responsibility for all of that stuff. It is too his credit that he finally admitted that failing, but not to his credit that it took the pressure of the campaign for him to do so.

Quote[/b] ]Oh well, the sheeple will get their chance to vote for the winner and feel good about it. Guess that is all that matters.

You may not be paying attention, but Mr Obama isn't currently seen as the front runner. I'm voting for the man who I judge most capable for the job, and I've announced that vote at a time when it appears he's not going to get it.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Jan. 21 2008,13:21)]Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,13:10)]Oh well, the sheeple will get their chance to vote for the winner and feel good about it. Guess that is all that matters.
They will actually be proudest if they are in the middle of the middle of the flock. Alaska is still Bear country, and sheep are tasty when separated from those who lead and sheer them. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
You would like a cartoon book written by a friend of mine in Montana.

On the cover is a drawing of two bears, amid a pile of sheep cracasses, mostly devoid of flesh. One bear has just thrown a sheep in the air and is about to catch it in his mouth, and the other one is saying "they're just like popcorn. Once you've started, you can't stop."

Bear, by the way, don't like sheep, and will only eat them if they come across them as scavenge material. Not enough calories to be worth cleaning all that wool out of your fangs, doncha know?

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Jan. 21 2008,13:40)]Don't worry, sMarty is a closet Hillary supporter and he's only saying this because Hillary is pulling ahead.
There are many skeleton's in my closet, but a fondness for Ms Clinton is not to be found among them.

You, on the other hand, will rot in perdition for that suggestion. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Jan. 21 2008,12:12)]Some while back, a number of Ron Paul fans on QRZ whined at me for not declaring support of a candidate.

At that time, I told them that I had no yet done sufficient research, but that I would do so if there were still a race on Tsunami Tuesday, which is when I vote in the primaries, being a California resident.

It is now clear that there is still a race.

It is now clear that none of the third party candidates currently declared can be taken seriously.

It is now clear that none of the five men actually in the race for the Republican nomination would be any improvement over the current administration.

It has always been clear that the remaining declared Republican candidate should stay in the delivery room and out of the White House.

This leaves, then, Democrats.

It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

The question then, is whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is likely to be a better leader in the political climate they would face in their first term in office.

I do not know the answer.

But I do know how their approach to office would differ, based on their history, and Ms Clinton's scorched earth approach to disagreements sicken me, while Mr Obama has a reputation for working with the opposition towards compromise rather than attempting to overwhelm them.

For that reason, of the seven people who might yet become the next president of the United States, I shall cast my primary ballot for Mr Obama.
So you want a Muslim president? Horrible choice

[al2n]

What are his strengths anyway?

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,14:12)]So you want a Muslim president? Horrible choice
Please don't vote.

American democracy only works if we have an informed electorate.

[KU0DM]

I didn't know Christians were called Muslims these days.

[k0dxc]

I'm 13, won't be voting for a while and I don't think I want you to either

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Jan. 21 2008,14:13)]What are his strengths anyway?
He's well educated, articulate, and has a unique background.

He's versed in civil rights and has taken an active role in the area.

His track record is one of consensus building and his work in ethics and health care reform has been at least modestly successful.

The job of president relies heavily on the 'bully pulpit' and he appears to have the necessary skills to use it effectively.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,14:18)]I'm 13, won't be voting for a while and I don't think I want you to either
Ah, 'only 13'?

That would explain the extent to which you are misinformed.

Senator Obama is not a Muslim, nor has he ever been. He's a Christian, having been raised such.

Given that you are so severely misinformed, I hope you don't mind terribly that I don't care whether you think I should vote or not.

[al2n]

His track record shows that he votes with the status quo democrats 90% of the time. All that shows is that he is a good party member, not a bridge builder.

However, he does have an interesting habit of not voting on the tougher issues. Guess that way he can be for or against depending on the audience he is in front of at the time.

[k0dxc]

I had that impression off of some other zeders, don't blame me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K3XR]

No surprise from an institution of LIB indoctrination.

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archive....intable (http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2008/01/21/news/19886.shtml?type=printable)

[KU0DM]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,15:29)]I had that impression off of some other zeders, don't blame me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Never believe politics from QRZ.com unless they quote and provide a link to a reliable news source.

Double-check everything you read from a different source.
The neocons have been saying Obama is a muslim for a long time, but only come up with a few small CONSERVATIVE news sources I have never seen, heard of, heard quoted, or mentioned on any news network.

[k0dxc]

Good old Charlie would never lead me away, your 13 too so don't play mother on me

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,18:29)]I had that impression off of some other zeders, don't blame me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
No one is blaming you for anything, Calvin. But you must realize that you will have the obligation to inform yourself accurately once you do achieve franchise.

Voting is an important, if often undervalued, part of our civic responsibilities, and merely listening to some of the irresponsible posts around here might be entertaining (in a bizarre sort of way), but unenlightening.

Much is being written about Obama that is untrue, and the impetus for the lies (and there is really no other way of describing these posts) is either racial or xenophobic -- both of which are representative of the underside of humanity.

Take the high road, Calvin, and you will never regret it.

Now, go do your homework and make something of yourself besides a QRZ lurker.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[k0dxc]

DM:



NO MOMMY, YOU CAN'T CONTROL MY LIFE FOREVER

[k0dxc]

I should say the same to you MIV

[KU0DM]

Friendly advice that's all...

So do you call all your Elmers "mommy" as well?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,18:37)]I should say the same to you MIV
Feel free to do so, Calvin. I am across the divide and working on the down slope. You are still climbing. Raise your sights.

[k0dxc]

NO MOMMY http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[K0RGR]

From what I've seen in the debates so far, Obama comes across as the candidate who represents the most hope for real change.

Hillary has gone establishment, and though I like some facets of Edward's populism, the chance of him enacting any of it if elected is about zero.

I think Obama's health care proposal is far too conservative - let's call it 'Hillary lite' and I don't like Hillary's proposal at all. Sadly, the only one calling for a Nation Healthcare System is Kucinich, and he doesn't stand a chance.

But he is willing to look at things with an open mind. The other two Democrats are flatly opposed to nuclear energy. Obama is willing to consider it if we can deal with the nuclear waste issues, and he says he believes we can.

He and Edwards are about even on gun control, with Obama again sounding a bit more reasonable.

GO!'bama GO!'bama GO!'bama

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,14:29)]I had that impression off of some other zeders, don't blame me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
My apologies for being harsh with you.

I was unaware of your youth and thought you were merely another of the many misinformed adults on these forums who should know better.

Senator Obama was raised in a Christian middle class family and was raised as a Christian. He is currently a member of a Christian church.

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 21 2008,15:38)]Friendly advice that's all...

So do you call all your Elmers "mommy" as well?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif


Where did you come up with that? Wierd

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Jan. 21 2008,15:44)]Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 21 2008,14:29)]I had that impression off of some other zeders, don't blame me http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
My apologies for being harsh with you.

I was unaware of your youth and thought you were merely another of the many misinformed adults on these forums who should know better.

Senator Obama was raised in a Christian middle class family and was raised as a Christian. He is currently a member of a Christian church.
no no no no no, I'm not an adult yet thank goodness

[k0dxc]

...

[K8MHZ]

Calvin,

Go to your room. And don't come out until you are sorry for sassing your elders.

No TV after dinner, either.

And if I here so much as a dit or a dah out of you, you're GROUNDED! And I mean very low impedance!

Now git!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K3XR]

You go Barry.

http://newsbusters.org/node/18643/print

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Jan. 21 2008,15:12)]Some while back, a number of Ron Paul fans on QRZ whined at me for not declaring support of a candidate.

At that time, I told them that I had no yet done sufficient research, but that I would do so if there were still a race on Tsunami Tuesday, which is when I vote in the primaries, being a California resident.

It is now clear that there is still a race.

It is now clear that none of the third party candidates currently declared can be taken seriously.

It is now clear that none of the five men actually in the race for the Republican nomination would be any improvement over the current administration.

It has always been clear that the remaining declared Republican candidate should stay in the delivery room and out of the White House.

This leaves, then, Democrats.

It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

The question then, is whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is likely to be a better leader in the political climate they would face in their first term in office.

I do not know the answer.

But I do know how their approach to office would differ, based on their history, and Ms Clinton's scorched earth approach to disagreements sicken me, while Mr Obama has a reputation for working with the opposition towards compromise rather than attempting to overwhelm them.

For that reason, of the seven people who might yet become the next president of the United States, I shall cast my primary ballot for Mr Obama.
While I do not share all of your reasons (but, then, you knew that), I have come to share your conclusion. I, too, have decided to vote for Barack Obama in the Maryland primary.

While I remain somewhat usure of Obama due to his general lack of experience, and I would surely prefer someone with a few more years under the belt, I do not see any other practical choice.

I would not vote Edwards for service at the county pound, and I do not see much difference between voting for Clinton and voting for, say, Betty Ford or Rosalind Carter. In the final appraisal, Ms Clinton's experience is not that much different, with the exception of the recent anomaly of her confused and confusing service in the Senate, which offers a more disturbing vision than anything of comfort.

So, Obama it shall be.

[KC0LFV]

He belongs to a racist church and refuses to salute the flag. Come on, do you really think that influence will be an improvement to the country?

-Edit-
And anyone who represents those two things (not just Obama) would lose my vote.

[k2vhw]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 22 2008,16:16)][It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

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I would not vote Edwards for service at the county pound,
So, Obama it shall be.
Albert, you are aware that I value your knowledge and opinion..........please give me some insight as to why you have such disdain for John Edwards!

Marvin
P.S. His platform contains all the 'rhetoric' as do the other Dems! I feel very much the same about Hillary as you do. But, I cannot determine why you feel Obama has better qualities than, say, Edwards.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (KC0LFV @ Jan. 22 2008,22:29)]He belongs to a racist church and refuses to salute the flag. Come on, do you really think that influence will be an improvement to the country?
He does not refuse to salute the flag.

Do you have any evidence that the 'racism' of his church extends beyond the sort of boosterism that any community centered organization has for the community it is part of?

[KL1ZB]

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Jan. 20 2008,13:12)]Some while back, a number of Ron Paul fans on QRZ whined at me for not declaring support of a candidate.

At that time, I told them that I had no yet done sufficient research, but that I would do so if there were still a race on Tsunami Tuesday, which is when I vote in the primaries, being a California resident.

It is now clear that there is still a race.

It is now clear that none of the third party candidates currently declared can be taken seriously.

It is now clear that none of the five men actually in the race for the Republican nomination would be any improvement over the current administration.

It has always been clear that the remaining declared Republican candidate should stay in the delivery room and out of the White House.

This leaves, then, Democrats.

It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

The question then, is whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is likely to be a better leader in the political climate they would face in their first term in office.

I do not know the answer.

But I do know how their approach to office would differ, based on their history, and Ms Clinton's scorched earth approach to disagreements sicken me, while Mr Obama has a reputation for working with the opposition towards compromise rather than attempting to overwhelm them.

For that reason, of the seven people who might yet become the next president of the United States, I shall cast my primary ballot for Mr Obama.
My only question to you is if he doesn't win did you "throw your vote away" by voting for him?

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Jan. 22 2008,23:03)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Jan. 20 2008,13:12)]Some while back, a number of Ron Paul fans on QRZ whined at me for not declaring support of a candidate.

At that time, I told them that I had no yet done sufficient research, but that I would do so if there were still a race on Tsunami Tuesday, which is when I vote in the primaries, being a California resident.

It is now clear that there is still a race.

It is now clear that none of the third party candidates currently declared can be taken seriously.

It is now clear that none of the five men actually in the race for the Republican nomination would be any improvement over the current administration.

It has always been clear that the remaining declared Republican candidate should stay in the delivery room and out of the White House.

This leaves, then, Democrats.

It is easy enough to dismiss Kucinich and Edwards, simply because of their lack of leadership skills.

The question then, is whether Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is likely to be a better leader in the political climate they would face in their first term in office.

I do not know the answer.

But I do know how their approach to office would differ, based on their history, and Ms Clinton's scorched earth approach to disagreements sicken me, while Mr Obama has a reputation for working with the opposition towards compromise rather than attempting to overwhelm them.

For that reason, of the seven people who might yet become the next president of the United States, I shall cast my primary ballot for Mr Obama.
My only question to you is if he doesn't win did you "throw your vote away" by voting for him?
I dunno who that's a question for, but definitely not one for me.

I have voted in presidential primary elections since 1972. Prior to this election, the outcome of the primary was determined before my vote was cast. This may be the first in which my vote will be cast before the outcome of the primary is determined.

Were all of those prior votes "wasted"? That is a philosophical issue beyond my ken.

[K2WH]

Barack Hussien O'Bama has been described as a 5th grade politician. Is this what we really want?

K2WH

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 23 2008,13:49)]Barack Hussien O'Bama has been described as a 5th grade politician. Is this what we really want?

K2WH
Better than Rudolf or Mitt Romney (who hates ham radio).

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Jan. 23 2008,11:17)]Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 23 2008,13:49)]Barack Hussien O'Bama has been described as a 5th grade politician. Is this what we really want?

K2WH
Better than Rudolf or Mitt Romney (who hates ham radio).
Despite his offer to stay in Iraq and attack Iran, I think he is bull####ting again, and that Obama would be the most nearly like Ron Paul on foreign policy. It is sad that I have to assume Obama is a liar to be electable.

Although it is impossible to say for sure as it is all smoke and mirrors, if Obama winds up going against Giuliani, McCain, or Huckabee, then I hope Obama gets in. I may just have a kid or a grandkid not have to fight a future war as a result of an Obama Presidency.

[K3XR]

"Race war".

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Article....BB18916 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=C0F26889-20A8-43DE-B033-3DE9BBB18916)

[w5klb]

K2VHW asks:
Quote[/b] ]...please give me some insight as to why you have such disdain for John Edwards!

Let me answer this....

The man is DISHONEST. He talks about his "two Americas" theme by stating the reason why there are so many homeless vets is due the economy. As Navy Veteran myself with experience in these matters, I can tell you that this IS NOT TRUE. The reason why there is so many homeless vets is NOT DUE TO THE ECOMOMY. It is due to substance abuse and mental illness. If Johnny Boy had done his research, he would know this. I take offense at Johnny Boy exploiting these heroes in this manner, as would any true patriot who respected the service and sacrifice these vets gave for their country.

John Edwards is a political opportunist who would say ANYTHING to get elected. Fortunately for America, his chances of ever getting elected as president are two: slim and none.