Happy MLK and Robert E. Lee Day

[K9STH]

According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. #There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. #I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.

[N2RJ]

So I guess "Happy Holidays" has extended beyond Christmas...

[K3XR]

And there's Moyers take, from the Socialist News Network, aka PBS.

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/bill_moyers_whitewashes_his_ml.html)

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,10:15)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.
Bobby Lee and the founders were evil men. We need to replace them as icons with MLK, et al.

[K9STH]

MIV:

I believe that Robert E. Lee Day came long before MLK Day. Robert E. Lee was born on 19 January 1807 and his birthday has been celebrated since the late 1800s. Doing a brief "google" I came up with the following:

Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi are the 3 states that celebrate Robert E. Lee Day on the same Monday as MLK Day. In addition to those 3 states Robert E. Lee Day is a recognized holiday in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia as well as being an "unofficial" holiday in Louisiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, North Carolina, and South Carolina. It is also celebrated by the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) and the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) as well as by other such organizations.

Therefore, Robert E. Lee Day predates MLK Day by almost a century.

I am not "taking sides" as to whether or not Robert E. Lee Day is appropriate or not. However, to a lot of people in the United States celebrating the day is just as appropriate as celebrating MLK Day.

During my stay in Atlanta, Georgia (September 1962 through March 1967 attending Georgia Tech) I did meet Martin L. King, Jr. once as well as members of the SNCC ("snick" - Student Non-violent Coordination Committee) and SCLC (Southern Christain Leadership Conference). I had "breakfast" with Dick Gregory after he was released from jail (about 2 AM) during the civil rights demonstrations at Leb's Cafeteria in Atlanta in early 1964. Well, we sat in one of those round restaurant booths that hold about 8 people and talked for about 4 hours. Frankly, I have a lot of respect for Dick Gregory which I do not have for some of the others involved including M. L. King. Why I was at the Atlanta University Complex during the demonstrations is a long story. However, I was "privy" to some information on those demonstrations that does not represent a favorable light on who was actually in charge and the real intent of the demonstrations which was radically different from what most of those who participated thought they were attempting to accomplish.

Glen, K9STH

[N4AUD]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,13:15)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.
Here in Virginia, we started with Lee day in 1889, went to Lee-Jackson day in 1904, went to Lee-Jackson-King day in 1983, then started having Lee-Jackson and King separately in 2000, so things aren't as "transparent" as they may seem on the surface.



Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Jackson-King_Day)

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n4aud @ Jan. 22 2008,04:47)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,13:15)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. #There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. #I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.
Here in Virginia, we started with Lee day in 1889, went to Lee-Jackson day in 1904, went to Lee-Jackson-King day in 1983, then started having Lee-Jackson and King separately in 2000, so things aren't as "transparent" as they may seem on the surface.



Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Jackson-King_Day)
I am familiar with the record of Virginia, Audie, not least that it was the very LAST state to desegregate.

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:58)]MIV:

I believe that Robert E. Lee Day came long before MLK Day. #Robert E. Lee was born on 19 January 1807 and his birthday has been celebrated since the late 1800s. #Doing a brief "google" I came up with the following:

Arkansas, Alabama, and Mississippi are the 3 states that celebrate Robert E. Lee Day on the same Monday as MLK Day. #In addition to those 3 states Robert E. Lee Day is a recognized holiday in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia as well as being an "unofficial" holiday in Louisiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, North Carolina, and South Carolina. #It is also celebrated by the SCV (Sons of Confederate Veterans) and the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) as well as by other such organizations.

Therefore, Robert E. Lee Day predates MLK Day by almost a century.

I am not "taking sides" as to whether or not Robert E. Lee Day is appropriate or not. #However, to a lot of people in the United States celebrating the day is just as appropriate as celebrating MLK Day. #

During my stay in Atlanta, Georgia (September 1962 through March 1967 attending Georgia Tech) I did meet Martin L. King, Jr. once as well as members of the SNCC ("snick" - Student Non-violent Coordination Committee) and SCLC (Southern Christain Leadership Conference). #I had "breakfast" with Dick Gregory after he was released from jail (about 2 AM) during the civil rights demonstrations at Leb's Cafeteria in Atlanta in early 1964. #Well, we sat in one of those round restaurant booths that hold about 8 people and talked for about 4 hours. #Frankly, I have a lot of respect for Dick Gregory which I do not have for some of the others involved including M. L. King. #Why I was at the Atlanta University Complex during the demonstrations is a long story. #However, I was "privy" to some information on those demonstrations that does not represent a favorable light on who was actually in charge and the real intent of the demonstrations which was radically different from what most of those who participated thought they were attempting to accomplish.

Glen, K9STH
You are hilarious Glen. #You say "I am not "taking sides" as to whether or not Robert E. Lee Day is appropriate or not. " #And then proceed to write 5 paragraphs not very subtlety supporting Robert E. Lee and slamming MLK. #

You are a prime example of "There is none so blind as to those who will not see". #I think you actually have yourself convinced. #Kind of like the time you were talking about your daughters and how modern and independent they were and then proceeded to say "But they don't go in for that women’s Lib stuff".! : which women’s Lib is that …Equal rights for Equal Pay?

Your desire to post this as a new topic is very telling.

As the article itself explained
Quote[/b] ]While some question honoring Gen. Lee, the number of events celebrating Dr. King always outweighs the nearly silent response to the Confederate general, state Sen. Tracy Steele said.

"It certainly has been discussed. In past years, there's not been the type of community outcry or internal legislative support to get it done," said Mr. Steele, D-North Little Rock. "But it does seem the question comes up every year."



Lee day? #For a Military General who made some very big strategic errors invading the North and mistakes in the Gettysburg Campaign. #Lee, #the man who opposed Slaves being able to vote after the War? #Lee, #the Slave owner that supposedly whipped a runaway women slave his officer wouldn't whip? #Lee was an Iconic figure but a National Holiday? #Only In Arkansa, Mississipi, and Alabama would it even be considered, #and fortunately it is changing there also.

[KD6NIG]

I had a truck driver come into my facility and walk up to me and yell "Happy (n-word) day!"

I hope the look I gave him conveyed my impression of his statement when he made it.....

Unbelieveable. What a moron.

[W8EFA]

Robert E. Lee Day?
Quote[/b] ]My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Custis; after the death of Mr. Custis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Custis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to “lay it on well,” an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done. After this my cousin and myself were sent to Hanover Court-House jail, my sister being sent to Richmond to an agent to be hired; we remained in jail about a week, when we were sent to Nelson county, where we were hired out by Gen. Lee’s agent to work on the Orange and Alexander railroad; we remained thus employed for about seven months, and were then sent to Alabama, and put to work on what is known as the Northeastern railroad; in January, 1863, we were sent to Richmond, from which place I finally made my escape through the rebel lines to freedom; I have nothing further to say; what I have stated is true in every particular, and I can at any time bring at least a dozen witnesses, both white and black, to substantiate my statements: I am at present employed by the Government; and am at work in the National Cemetary on Arlington Heights, where I can be found by those who desire further particulars; my sister referred to is at present employed by the French Minister at Washington, and will confirm my statement.

TEstimony of Wesley Norris (http://fair-use.org/wesley-norris/testimony-of-wesley-norris)

Lees words Quote[/b] ]Lee wrote to his son Custis that "The N. Y. Tribune has attacked me for my treatment of your grandfather's slaves, but I shall not reply. He has left me an unpleasant legacy."[

[N6KX]

KD6NIG... I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. But you've got to admit, it's pretty ironic considering your callsign. No?

Howie N6KX http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[K9STH]

EFA:

Do you even know who Dick Gregory is?

As I said above, I do not have much respect for Martin Luther King, Jr., based on my encounter with him. That is NOT "slamming" him but is representative of how he was handling himself during the situation in which I was involved. Did you have any personal contact with MLK or are you reacting to public information on the individual? There is definitely a difference.

As for Robert E. Lee Day: I was rebutting MIV's comment that Robert E. Lee Day was created as the South's answer to MLK Day. Robert E. Lee Day has been celebrated for almost a century before MLK Day and therefore cannot be construed in any manner as being "created" to counter the more recent holiday. Also, where do you get 5 paragraphs? There is nothing in what I wrote (basically two paragraphs with the information on the holiday) that can be even imagined as either supporting the holiday or being against the holiday.

Personally I could not care any less about both holidays. Robert E. Lee started going downhill as a military commander starting with the Battle of Gettysburg. After 3 July 1863 he had periods of brilliant decisions but more and more his decisions and tactics became less effective against the Union. After Grant took over the Army of the Potomac Lee's Army of Northern Virginia started to be ground down until Lee surrendered at Appomatox Court House. Martin Luther King, Jr. did a lot for the blacks in this country. However, he definitely had his faults especially in certain personal aspects. As such, he can described as "having feet of clay".

My purpose for starting this thread was to point out that MLK Day is not the only holiday being celebrated and that for those who are not supporters of King have an alternative holiday to celebrate. It is a bit ironic that persons who are recognized as being on opposite sides have holidays on the same day.

Glen, K9STH

[N4AUD]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 22 2008,07:25)]Quote[/b] (n4aud @ Jan. 22 2008,04:47)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,13:15)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.
Here in Virginia, we started with Lee day in 1889, went to Lee-Jackson day in 1904, went to Lee-Jackson-King day in 1983, then started having Lee-Jackson and King separately in 2000, so things aren't as "transparent" as they may seem on the surface.



Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Jackson-King_Day)
I am familiar with the record of Virginia, Audie, not least that it was the very LAST state to desegregate.
I was simply pointing out that your assertion that RLE holidays are in reaction to the MLK holiday is false.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n4aud @ Jan. 22 2008,17:55)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 22 2008,07:25)]Quote[/b] (n4aud @ Jan. 22 2008,04:47)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,13:15)]Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 21 2008,13:13)]According to an article in yesterday's edition of the Dallas Morning News today marks a dual holiday in 3 states. #There was even a photograph of one of the official signs posted in the window of a state office in Arkansas.

The States of Arkansa, Mississippi, and Alabama (according to the article) recognize the same date honoring Martin Luther King, Jr. AND Robert E. Lee. #I guess that is to "cover the bases".

For details go to the following URL:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedc....5c.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-arleevsking_20tex.ART.State.Edition1.373d55c.html)

Glen, K9STH
Transparent ploy to thrust King aside and celebrate the holiday as Lee's instead.

Pretty shabby if you ask me.
Here in Virginia, we started with Lee day in 1889, went to Lee-Jackson day in 1904, went to Lee-Jackson-King day in 1983, then started having Lee-Jackson and King separately in 2000, so things aren't as "transparent" as they may seem on the surface.



Click here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Jackson-King_Day)
I am familiar with the record of Virginia, Audie, not least that it was the very LAST state to desegregate.
I was simply pointing out that your assertion that RLE holidays are in reaction to the MLK holiday is false.
How could pointing out what Virginia does approve or annul anything that is being done in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi?

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Jan. 22 2008,10:31)]I had a truck driver come into my facility and walk up to me and yell "Happy (n-word) day!"

I hope the look I gave him conveyed my impression of his statement when he made it.....

Unbelieveable. What a moron.
It could have been worse.

Former Georgia Governor Lester Maddox, an avowed segregationist, was asked his opinion of the establishment of the Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday, and he answered:

"I think it's a good thing. We should shoot four more and take the whole week off!"

Makes your truck driver's statement somewhat tame in comparison, huh? Not that I approve or agree with either statement.

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 22 2008,16:01)]How could pointing out what Virginia does approve or annul anything that is being done in Alabama, Arkansas and Mississippi?
Why is it that people from outside the South think that any ceremonies or holidays honoring the Confederacy is somehow a nefarious plot to subjugate the black man?

As we would say around these parts: "You ain't from around here, are ye?" I'll bet if you drove through one of the neighboring towns and saw the lighted Stars and Bars, 20 feet by 30 feet, flying over the town's Confederate War Memorial you would succumb to a case of the vapors.

Go to Stone Mountain, Georgia and see the world's largest bas relief carving, honoring Jackson, Lee, and Davis. We take our Confederate memorials VERY seriously here. You don't like it, don't come down here. We don't seek or need your "approval". There are too many damn Yankees around here anyway. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[K9STH]

PEQ:

Lester Maddox might have been an avowed segregationist but when he was governor of Georgia he did more for the blacks than any governor had done before him. He was elected by the Georgia Legislature after none of 3 candidates got over 50 percent of the vote. The Republican candidate got like 49.9 percent and Maddox got in the high 30 percent. A former Democrat governor ran as an independent after Maddox got the official Democrat nomination. The Georgia Legislature was almost exclusively Democrat and they elected Maddox. I remember listening to the radio when the meeting of the State Legislature was electing the governor. The comments made by a number of the representatives were quite revealing. A good number of them said that they didn't like Maddox but that they "had" to vote for him since they would NEVER vote for a Republican.

After being elected Maddox was involved in prison reform and various state sponsored things that helped the black population. One thing that he did which caused a lot of concern was that the first Christmas that he was in office he paroled 500 prisoners to go home for the Christmas holiday. They were to return to prison on January 2nd. The majority of these prisoners were blacks and those paroled included convicted murderers as well as all sorts of other offenses. On January 2nd all but 3 prisoners returned to prison including all of those who had been convicted of major crimes. The 3 who did not return voluntarily were turned in by relatives ( (and those were convicted of lesser crimes).

When Maddox ran for re-election he won by a landslide. He took well over 50 percent of the black vote which says something for his popularity with the black population.

I met Lester Maddox a number of times when I was a student at Georgia Tech in Atlanta, Georgia. His Pickrick Restaurant was right on the edge of campus. When the campus was expanded the restaurant was bought by the college and the building became the placement center for graduating seniors.

Maddox built the "new" Washington Monument next to the restaurant. Inside was a coffin with a copy of the Constitution inside. He did sell "Pickrick drumsticks" which were axe handles that were supposedly intended to deal with civil unrest. However, all of the employees in his restaurant were blacks and he treated them very well.

Maddox would go around the restaurant and talk with everyone. He always carried a pitcher filled with iced tea and would pour your second glass of tea. If he saw that there was a "newcomer" he would ask the "newcomer" if they wanted to purchase stock in his new corporation. Of course the person would ask what Maddox was planning to do. Lester would then say that he was going to manufacture the front end of horses and send them to Washington, D. C., for final assembly.

To those in the north Maddox was definitely an avowed segregationist. However, when he was actually in a position of power he did more to improve race relations than anyone had done before him in the State of Georgia.

Glen, K9STH

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,05:22)]Why is it that people from outside the South think that any ceremonies or holidays honoring the Confederacy is somehow a nefarious plot to subjugate the black man?
Obviously, you don't know where the "South" begins or ends. Ever heard of Mason-Dixon's Line?

You should do more studying than posting.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 23 2008,14:50)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,05:22)]Why is it that people from outside the South think that any ceremonies or holidays honoring the Confederacy is somehow a nefarious plot to subjugate the black man?
Obviously, you don't know where the "South" begins or ends. Ever heard of Mason-Dixon's Line?

You should do more studying than posting.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Do I know of the Mason-Dixon line? Certainly.

Do I know what side of the line Maryland is on? SOUTH of the line. Many Marylanders fought on the side of the Confederacy. Maryland was a slave state. But look for Maryland on this list of the Confederate States of America:
South Carolina
Mississippi
Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Texas
Virginia
Arkansas
North Carolina
Tennessee
Border States
Missouri
Kentucky

Confederate States of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_of_America)

That being said, did the United States government consider Maryland to be a Rebel state? No. Did Reconstruction affect Maryland? Ask your average Joe Citizen if they think Annapolis is a Southern capital. The majority will say 'no'.

You are south of the Mason-Dixon line. But Marylanders considering themselves Southerners? If you are one that does, you are the first I have met.

[n7zsd]

So why are the banks closed on MLK day, and open on veterans day? I'm confused.

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 23 2008,12:23)]PEQ:

Lester Maddox might have been an avowed segregationist but when he was governor of Georgia he did more for the blacks than any governor had done before him. #He was elected by the Georgia Legislature after none of 3 candidates got over 50 percent of the vote. #The Republican candidate got like 49.9 percent and Maddox got in the high 30 percent. #A former Democrat governor ran as an independent after Maddox got the official Democrat nomination. #The Georgia Legislature was almost exclusively Democrat and they elected Maddox. #I remember listening to the radio when the meeting of the State Legislature was electing the governor. #The comments made by a number of the representatives were quite revealing. #A good number of them said that they didn't like Maddox but that they "had" to vote for him since they would NEVER vote for a Republican.

After being elected Maddox was involved in prison reform and various state sponsored things that helped the black population. #One thing that he did which caused a lot of concern was that the first Christmas that he was in office he paroled 500 prisoners to go home for the Christmas holiday. #They were to return to prison on January 2nd. #The majority of these prisoners were blacks and those paroled included convicted murderers as well as all sorts of other offenses. #On January 2nd all but 3 prisoners returned to prison including all of those who had been convicted of major crimes. #The 3 who did not return voluntarily were turned in by relatives ( (and those were convicted of lesser crimes).

When Maddox ran for re-election he won by a landslide. #He took well over 50 percent of the black vote which says something for his popularity with the black population.

I met Lester Maddox a number of times when I was a student at Georgia Tech in Atlanta, Georgia. #His Pickrick Restaurant was right on the edge of campus. #When the campus was expanded the restaurant was bought by the college and the building became the placement center for graduating seniors.

Maddox built the "new" Washington Monument next to the restaurant. #Inside was a coffin with a copy of the Constitution inside. #He did sell "Pickrick drumsticks" which were axe handles that were supposedly intended to deal with civil unrest. #However, all of the employees in his restaurant were blacks and he treated them very well.

Maddox would go around the restaurant and talk with everyone. #He always carried a pitcher filled with iced tea and would pour your second glass of tea. #If he saw that there was a "newcomer" he would ask the "newcomer" if they wanted to purchase stock in his new corporation. #Of course the person would ask what Maddox was planning to do. #Lester would then say that he was going to manufacture the front end of horses and send them to Washington, D. C., for final assembly.

To those in the north Maddox was definitely an avowed segregationist. #However, when he was actually in a position of power he did more to improve race relations than anyone had done before him in the State of Georgia.

Glen, K9STH
Pure white noise, Glen.

Your use of the term "Democrat" Party is telling. It's "Democratic" party. Why is it you right wing types can't get that straight?

Can't you post anything without sounding like some kind of shrill partisan?

Pure revisionist nonsense.

Sorry, I don't care if "you were there". I'm not buying it. There are plenty of people far more reputable than you, who will vigorously dispute your accounts of Maddox.

Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA

[K9STH]

6D:

Have you ever lived in Georgia? Have you ever met the various people that you criticize or praise? I have lived in Georgia and I definitely met Maddox a number of times. In addition, I met Martin Luther King, Jr., Dick Gregory, and a number of others who were involved in the civil rights movement during the mid 1960s. Also met Jimmy Carter when he was running for governor of Georgia.

I am not a "fan" of Lester Maddox. However, you will see that he definitely did have black support. Frankly, I was amazed with what Maddox did after he became governor. However, my wife and I came to Texas shortly after his election so I was not there for his tenure. However, you might want to look at the first paragraph at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox

Glen, K9STH

[nx6d]

Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Jan. 24 2008,08:57)]6D:

Have you ever lived in Georgia? #Have you ever met the various people that you criticize or praise? #I have lived in Georgia and I definitely met Maddox a number of times. #In addition, I met Martin Luther King, Jr., Dick Gregory, and a number of others who were involved in the civil rights movement during the mid 1960s. #Also met Jimmy Carter when he was running for governor of Georgia.

I am not a "fan" of Lester Maddox. #However, you will see that he definitely did have black support. #Frankly, I was amazed with what Maddox did after he became governor. #However, my wife and I came to Texas shortly after his election so I was not there for his tenure. #However, you might want to look at the first paragraph at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Maddox

Glen, K9STH
The opening paragraph you cite is an opinion, and an opinion only. It doesn't "prove" anything.

Far more telling about Maddox is later on in the narrative:

Quote[/b] ]However, Maddox's refusal to adjust to changes following the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 manifested itself when he filed a lawsuit to continue his segregationist policies. Maddox said that he would close his restaurant rather than serve black people. An initial group of black demonstrators came to the restaurant but did not enter when Maddox informed them that he had a large number of black employees. In April of 1964, more African-Americans attempted to enter the restaurant. Maddox confronted the group, brandishing a handgun.

That hardly sounds like someone who was "helping" blacks.

or this:

Quote[/b] ]Maddox campaigned hard for states-rights. He then governed as a moderate, and appointed more blacks to state government office than any of his predecessors. Despite this, Maddox did manifest anti-black sentiments while in office. Upon the death of Martin Luther King, Jr., he denied the slain civil rights leader the honor of lying in state in the Georgia state capitol after being provided reports from undercover agents in the Atlanta Police Department that there was a planned storming of the state capitol by participants in the crowd of mourners. As a precaution, Maddox stationed 64 officers in riot gear stationed in groups of eight at each of the entrances to the capitol.



AS for his black appointees, a little more than nothing is still not much.

The guy was a racist, no matter how you spin it.

In regard to your world famous "I've met every famous person on the planet" comment, what difference does that make? I understand that David Duke is supposed to be quite personable, but that doesn't mean he still isn't dangerous. It's not like you sat down and had policy discussions (with the exception of MAYBE Dick Gregory) with these guys. Whether you met them in person or not is irrelevant.

Dave NX6D
Modoc County, CA