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84 year old Willie Hancox of Memphis, Tennessee called 9-1-1 around 2 PM on Friday to state he had shot an intruder in a home invasion. Mr. Hancox stated that he fired two shots, hitting the intruder twice in the head, with a gun his family had tried to take from him only days before.
Mr. Hancox's gun is probably the only thing that saved his life--yet another example of how
gun ownership protects citizens from violent crime.
Mr. Hancox should be congratulated for his bravery and willingness to defend himself, not to
mention that he is a VERY good shot!
W4MAJ
01-21-2008, 01:56 PM
Good for him, really. Now whatcha wanna bet some nut job attorney tries to take him to court.
Hallelujah!
I can only hope the Old Man shot the intruder AFTER the low-life entered the premises. Then, there be no questions asked.
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
73.
It is a real shame that had to happen - glad he had the tools to do what was needed.
Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
-- What is that old man doing with a gun?
-- What was in his home worth shooting someone for?
-- Just because someone forced their way into your house, threatened you, your property and your family is no reason to defend yourself --- just lay there and breath your last breaths like a man.
-- Poor thug, had such a promising life and now it is lost. (In todays environment he could easily run for President)
Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Jan. 21 2008,10:59)]Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
BZAAAP!
Wrong. As usual. Clueless. As usual.
Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Jan. 21 2008,08:59)]It is a real shame that had to happen - glad he had the tools to do what was needed.
Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
-- What is that old man doing with a gun?
-- What was in his home worth shooting someone for?
-- Just because someone forced their way into your house, threatened you, your property and your family is no reason to defend yourself --- just lay there and breath your last breaths like a man.
-- Poor thug, had such a promising life and now it is lost. #(In todays environment he could easily run for President)
No doubt the libs will chime in saying what a tragic waste of human life this was. LOL
Tap, Tap, no repeat offenders.
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 20 2008,10:10)]Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Jan. 21 2008,10:59)]Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
BZAAAP!
Wrong. As usual. Clueless. As usual.
Well that is good to know you agree the man did the right thing.
I am impressed (Clueless? We're not the ones with Hilliary as a US Senator are we )
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The only thing that is really sad about this situation is the old man was put into that situation to begin with......
Home invasions are not a laughing matter..............
Gun control is not for everyone.
Certainly, I would not want CCW to be made easily available in NYC. There are too many nasty and vindictive people here.
N5NPO
01-21-2008, 06:14 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,09:10)]Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Jan. 21 2008,10:59)]Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
BZAAAP!
Wrong. #As usual. #Clueless. #As usual.
So what do the anti-guns nuts have to say about this?
I am asking you because you seem to be answering for them.
K0RGR
01-21-2008, 06:18 PM
As long as he didn't shoot the postman or a meter reader by mistake, this was a good thing. K6PGN was legally blind, but he twice shot burglars entering his house, too.
K8ERV
01-21-2008, 06:19 PM
I have heard that if you shoot someone just outside of your house you should drag them inside. (Just past the welcome sign).
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
Quote[/b] (K8ERV @ Jan. 21 2008,10:19)]I have heard that if you shoot someone just outside of your house you should drag them inside. (Just past the welcome sign).
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo
Unfortunately, forensics would prove the bad guy was shot outside the home.
Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Jan. 21 2008,07:20)]Hallelujah! #
I can only hope the Old Man shot the intruder AFTER the low-life entered the premises. #Then, there be no questions asked.
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
73.
The thug was shot after breaking into the house .
KI4PEQ
01-23-2008, 07:13 AM
That old man showed the REAL meaning of gun control.
Two shots to the head. Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
KL1ZB
01-23-2008, 07:31 AM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Jan. 20 2008,12:14)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,09:10)]Quote[/b] (n0ov @ Jan. 21 2008,10:59)]Of course the anti-gun nuts are likely saying
BZAAAP!
Wrong. #As usual. #Clueless. #As usual.
So what do the anti-guns nuts have to say about this?
I am asking you because you seem to be answering for them.
I can guarantee the anti-gun lobby will add this death in their statistics of gun deaths in a year to show why guns need to be banned.
They always lists "gun deaths" in the statistics however they NEVER list how many of those were as a result of someone trying to defend themselves against bodily harm.
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VK3ZL
01-23-2008, 08:47 AM
My advice is to shoot em first then fire two warning shots,yelling "stop or I will shoot".
I did a perp over with a wood splitter handle when he forced his way into the house 3 years ago.While he was laying on the floor I thought he was trying to get up and have another go so I had to soften his knee joint a bit..Coppers pi$$ed themselves laughing..
The idiot now has an artificial knee joint and one eye looks hard to the right.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Quote[/b] (VK3ZL @ Jan. 23 2008,03:47)]My advice is to shoot em first then fire two warning shots,yelling "stop or I will shoot".
I did a perp over with a wood splitter handle when he forced his way into the house 3 years ago.While he was laying on the floor I thought he was trying to get up and have another go so I had to soften his knee joint a bit..Coppers pi$$ed themselves laughing..
The idiot now has an artificial knee joint and one eye looks hard to the right.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Careful, they'll ban wood splitter handles next.
Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,00:13)]That old man showed the REAL meaning of gun control.
Two shots to the head. Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
Roger Roger , one less for society to deal with.
n2ize
01-23-2008, 09:52 PM
Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Jan. 21 2008,10:45)]Gun control is not for everyone.
Certainly, I would not want CCW to be made easily available in NYC. #There are too many nasty and vindictive people here.
I disagree with you. I've lived in the metropolitian New York area all my life and I don't think people are any nastier or andmore vindictive than anywhere else. You'll find rude and arrogant garbage living everywhere you go. The metro area has a very high population densitiy so one on one hospitality is not as practical as in a small town. Yet I've seen many a situation where somone needs help and plenty of people will jump into action and help out. And, incidentally, I have met some of the nicest people in what many would consider the "worst neighborhoods".
n2ize
01-23-2008, 10:00 PM
Quote[/b] (ac4r @ Jan. 23 2008,12:06)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,00:13)]That old man showed the REAL meaning of gun control.
Two shots to the head. Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
Roger # Roger , one less for society to deal with.
Which is why there is good reason for gun control. It seems that with a lot of people the thrill of the kill superseeds the act of self defense.
The need to shoot in self defense is an action that may be nessesary at times. Sometimes evil has to be met with force. However, it seems that when these incidents do take place some people are more thrilled with the idea that somebody got killed than with the idea that a person defended themselves.
If the need were to arise and I had no choice I would shoot to defend myself. However,I would feel pretty rotten that I had to take a life to protect my own. While it may be an act of nessesityit would not be an act I'd be proud of or rejoice over.
Now I have to disagree with you on this one. #(not directed to you ize) #It is one thing to shoot off your mouth saying you are doing to do something vs being put into a position like this old man was and not having the tools to defend yourself. (What folks forget the person pulling the trigger will have to live with that decision........... very sad that some idiot put him in that position. At least he had the tools and knowledge how to use that tool properly to LIVE)
Personally I don't believe in gun control because not one gun control law ever passed ever took a firearm out of the hands of someone who would use it illegally. #That is the root problem -- mirrored in every state and country that has taken guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
That is why this issue is so tough............... #we should be allowed the freedom to act responsibily with the understanding that those who don't are held accountable. #
(Drive by shootings are bad.....................)
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 23 2008,15:00)]Quote[/b] (ac4r @ Jan. 23 2008,12:06)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,00:13)]That old man showed the REAL meaning of gun control.
Two shots to the head. Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
Roger # Roger , one less for society to deal with.
Which is why there is good reason for gun control. It seems that with a lot of people the thrill of the kill superseeds the act of self defense.
The need to shoot in self defense is an action that may be nessesary at times. Sometimes evil has to be met with force. However, it seems that when these incidents do take place some people are more thrilled with the idea that somebody got killed than with the idea that a person defended themselves.
If the need were to arise and I had no choice I would shoot to defend myself. However,I would feel pretty rotten that I had to take a life to protect my own. While it may be an act of nessesityit would not be an act I'd be proud of or rejoice over.
Do you have a better plan to eliminate repeat offenders?
The thug this 84 year old man killed is no longer a threat to anyone. Had he been captured he would have been given a few months in jail and be released to prey on society .
Two to the head. No court , no liberal judge to purt him back on the street.
Problem solved for 90 cents.
KB1KIX
01-23-2008, 10:31 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 23 2008,18:00)]However,I would feel pretty rotten that I had to take a life to protect my own.
Therein lies the difference.
If it was inside my house, tough for the bad guy.
I'd be brewing a fresh cup o' joe waiting for the cops to arrive.
A few months ago there was a triple homocide that mad national attention not far from my house.
Home invasion, wife and 2 daughters killed.
I'm sure if they had a firearm they would've been able to defend themselves.
Their father, a doctor, was against such things.
I wonder what his views would be now?
I've seen what happens when you don't defend yourself and I wouldn't think twice or feel guilty.
I didn't take his life, his actions caused him to lose his life.
Libs love to split hairs on the issue and put NO RESPONSIBILITY on the part of the intruder.
Jonathan
n2ize
01-23-2008, 10:44 PM
Quote[/b] (ac4r @ Jan. 23 2008,15:23)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 23 2008,15:00)]Quote[/b] (ac4r @ Jan. 23 2008,12:06)]Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Jan. 23 2008,00:13)]That old man showed the REAL meaning of gun control.
Two shots to the head. Gun control means hitting what you aim at.
Roger # Roger , one less for society to deal with.
Which is why there is good reason for gun control. It seems that with a lot of people the thrill of the kill superseeds the act of self defense.
The need to shoot in self defense is an action that may be nessesary at times. Sometimes evil has to be met with force. However, it seems that when these incidents do take place some people are more thrilled with the idea that somebody got killed than with the idea that a person defended themselves.
If the need were to arise and I had no choice I would shoot to defend myself. However,I would feel pretty rotten that I had to take a life to protect my own. While it may be an act of nessesityit would not be an act I'd be proud of or rejoice over.
Do you have a better plan to eliminate repeat offenders?
The thug this 84 year old man killed is no longer a threat to anyone. #Had he been captured he would have been given a few months in jail and be released to prey on society .
Two to the head. No court , no liberal judge to purt him back on the street.
Problem solved #for 90 cents.
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Two to the head. No court , no liberal judge to purt him back on the street
I am not questioning the need for shooting in self defense in this case. I am more interested in which outcome seems more important. The obvious outcome that a man defended himself ? Or the outcome that a person was killed.
Let's say the situtation worked out a little different. I am not trying to say that the following is what should have happened or that the man should have acted any different than he did in defending himself. I am just proposing the following possibility.
Let's say the man grabbed his gun and the second the perp saw him with the gun he dropped to the ground with his arms and legs spread out. Let's say at that point instead of shooting the man decided to take a chance and called the cops while holding the perp at gunpoint till the cops showed up and took the perp to jail.
Would you have been as satisfied if this were the outcome ?
N0KLT
01-23-2008, 10:58 PM
I just hope that when and if I reach that age, I am still steady enough of hand and eye to place a 2 shot grouping that close and that well. I think his age is the most amazing part of the whole story. The OF is a better shot than I am right now, it sounds like.
To reference ize's comments, if I have to defend myself, family and property by shooting someone in my own home, I certainly won't be in the mood for celebrations or be happy I had to shoot and kill someone, but I certainly won't feel remorse or regret for the act.
n2ize
01-23-2008, 11:00 PM
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Jan. 23 2008,15:31)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 23 2008,18:00)]However,I would feel pretty rotten that I had to take a life to protect my own.
Therein lies the difference.
If it was inside my house, tough for the bad guy.
I'd be brewing a fresh cup o' joe waiting for the cops to arrive.
A few months ago there was a triple homocide that mad national attention not far from my house. #
Home invasion, wife and 2 daughters killed.
I'm sure if they had a firearm they would've been able to defend themselves.
Their father, a doctor, was against such things.
I wonder what his views would be now?
I've seen what happens when you don't defend yourself and I wouldn't think twice or feel guilty.
I didn't take his life, his actions caused him to lose his life.
Libs love to split hairs on the issue and put NO RESPONSIBILITY on the part of the intruder.
Jonathan
You are totally missing the point. The discussion has nothing to do with protecting the rights of criminals. It is fully understood that if you enter a persons home, even if you are unarmed and mean no harm to anyone, you are putting yourself at risk. You actions may result in your own death. That reality is understood.
The issue is about how taking a life rests on ones concious. In my case I place an extremely high value on life. Even the life of a person who may have turned to crime. Now, that doesn'tmean I wouldn't shoot someone if they were to enter my premises. That doesn't mean that I love burglars and robbers. That doesn't mean my heart bleeds for all those who committ crimes. What it simply means is that I consider the loss of life tragic, regardless of who the life belongs to. I am just being realistic #when I say that if I were to kill a burglar I would probably feel pretty lousy about having to take a life to save my own. #Again,that is not to #say that I wouldn't do it if there were no other choice. However, it is not something I could take lightly afterwards. And it is something that would be very -painful for me to deal with #afterward and certainly it is not something I could rejoice about or take pride in. Comprende ? #Do you get where I am coming from ?
Now,what I am about to say may seem a little bold but I am going to say it anyway. Any person who truly and deeply values life would also find the killing of another human being, even the killing of a criminal in self defense, to be a tragic and painful action. Any person who can shoot and kill another person, and then take it lightly as if nothing happened could not possibly be a person who values life very much, regardless of however much they claim they do.
Yet again,it has nothing to do with having love or sympathy for crime or criminals. Nor is it an attempt to say killing in self defense is wrong. There are moments in life when force, including lethal force, #is nessesary. All it is about is how much we value life as a reflection of how one reacts when a life is taken,even when taken in the name of self defense.
k0dxc
01-23-2008, 11:01 PM
Nice,
It is a sad thing that he had to take someones life, but it was in self defense so that I can understand
KC9JIQ
01-23-2008, 11:01 PM
If Ron Paul is elected, there will be more protections for homeowners against theives.
k0dxc
01-23-2008, 11:01 PM
QSL http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I'd force the invader to eat some of my cooking--a slow, painful death indeed.
Because of the threats I've received living in my neighborhood, I'm signing up for a "Handguns 100" (http://www.centertargetsports.com/training_classDetail.cfm?co_id=4) course next month, then I'll shop for a piece...I mean, a gun. (If I shopped for a "piece" The Wifoid would kill me. ;>)
K8ERV
01-24-2008, 02:24 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 23 2008,14:52)]#You'll find rude and arrogant garbage living everywhere you go.
Right. There is even one here in Montrose---
TOM K8ERV Montrose Colo