The Next President Will NOT Pull Out of Iraq.

[n2nh]

Let's just say, that much like the change I mentioned two years ago, and mentioning last year that the economy was headed down the tubes, that this seems to be a no-brainer.

I am saying that no matter who gets elected, they will NOT pull us out of Iraq during their term.

In June, 2000 I predicted Bush would win thanks to Florida. He did. I predicted at the same time that if he won two terms we'd be in dire financial straits. We are.

Still, I could be wrong.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,09:28)]Let's just say, that much like the change I mentioned two years ago, and mentioning last year that the economy was headed down the tubes, that this seems to be a no-brainer.
Easy to predict, given the foolish policy of seeking to fund a war while continuing to spend recklessly on lots of other things -- most of which would be easy cuts but for the fact that they are earmarks for local political bennies. This is not particularly Bush's fault, however; both parties are deeply into spending for their own parochial programs. Bush has been feckless with the veto, though.

Quote[/b] ]I am saying that no matter who gets elected, they will NOT pull us out of Iraq during their term.


Agree.

Quote[/b] ]In June, 2000 I predicted Bush would win thanks to Florida. He did. I predicted at the same time that if he won two terms we'd be in dire financial straits. We are.

Pardon my bluntness, but it didn't take Jeanne Dixon to point that out.

Quote[/b] ]Still, I could be wrong.

Again, agree.

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[W4MAJ]

If we could peer into a parallel universe, it would be interesting to see what shape the U.S. would be in if Al Gore or John Kerry had one.

[K3XR]

It's great ZED posters know, when candidates don't know. #All of which is old news.

http://hotair.com/archive....print=1 (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/17/hillary-on-iraq-war-vote-im-not-sorry/?print=1)

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=34404&v=3693290021 (http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=34404&v=3693290021)

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/29/195654.shtml

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (W4MAJ @ Jan. 21 2008,09:54)]If we could peer into a parallel universe...
My universe has no peers. Nor do I.

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[N2RJ]

Not even Ron Paul?

He's going to win you know.

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[KD6NIG]

The simple reason you're right is the simple fact that even if, lets say today, Bush smacked his head on something, woke up, and decided we needed to pull out, its not as simple as snapping our fingers and doing so.

The world wouldn't allow us to just yank everyone out in a short time frame.

So even if Hillary or whomever wins the election on the promise the troops will be pulled out, it would be a gradual process, it would take time (at least 6 months, if not longer) and I'm betting it won't be a complete pullout either.

To do so would mean whatever supposed "progress" we made being for naught, and would insult the families of anyone who died over there.

Sure we never probably should have did it in the first place-but now that we have, we're responsible to at least leave (if we ever do totally) with at least some kind of government there that can sustain itself. In my opinion there will be another dictatorship within 5 years of our departure, but since we basically took what government they had and totally crushed it, we're kinda responsible to try and at least install something that can hopefully maintain order. If they don't want to or fail at doing so, thats beyond our control.

Since we stepped in it, we can't just wipe it off our shoe and leave though. We can yell all we want about it, but we can't just pull up stakes and fly everyone out overnight and thats it, we're done. So whoever gets in deals with this for at least half their term on some level-probably longer than that, since they will have to step in on Jan 20, 2009, and even if that is their first order of business, its anticipated, and the military knows its coming-its still going to take time to implement and execute in a proper manner.

If people expect an instant exedous within weeks after a new president is in the White House, then that person will be out in 4 years not because they lied, but because its just impossible politically as well as realistically. We have to leave in an orderly manner or more deaths will occur as we just bail.

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Jan. 21 2008,10:45)]So even if Hillary or whomever wins the election on the promise the troops will be pulled out, it would be a gradual process, it would take time (at least 6 months, if not longer) and I'm betting it won't be a complete pullout either.
Hillary voted for this war. Do you think she's going to end it if elected?

I think not.

[KU0DM]

The only people I think are serious about ending the war, are Ron Paul, John Edwards, and the candidate who has my vote, Barrack Obama.

Other than that, I think they are all crossing their fingers and hoping everyone believes them when they talk about ending the war.

[n0ov]

I think every one running for office this year are for ending the war. The only difference is some realize how they do it will have a direct impact on the future security of this country by sending the wrong message, and making things much worse in Iraq and the middle east in the process.

Personally, any pull out plan should also involve dropping Rumsfield into Iraq because I personally blame him for this mess, more so than I blame Bush.

Rumsfield is a real SOB (Son of Bush)

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Jan. 21 2008,08:46)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Jan. 21 2008,10:45)]So even if Hillary or whomever wins the election on the promise the troops will be pulled out, it would be a gradual process, it would take time (at least 6 months, if not longer) and I'm betting it won't be a complete pullout either.
Hillary voted for this war. Do you think she's going to end it if elected?

I think not.
Thats why I said "even if" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think we're there at least 4 more beers. Er, years.

I see a pullout coinciding with....the next presidential election following this one, if sentiment is strong enough.

I think they will run on that platform, but no action will be taken until they get called upon the carpet for it, and that will happen about a year before the next election-and it will be used by whomever wins to get another 4 year term.

Thats the way I see it at least.

But heck, even if I'm wrong, it would take a good 6 months to get a good part of the equipment out of there. I don't see us bailing and leaving it behind http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And someone will have to stay there to guard it till we can airlift it out!

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,08:35)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,09:28)]Let's just say, that much like the change I mentioned two years ago, and mentioning last year that the economy was headed down the tubes, that this seems to be a no-brainer.
Easy to predict, given the foolish policy of seeking to fund a war while continuing to spend recklessly on lots of other things -- most of which would be easy cuts but for the fact that they are earmarks for local political bennies. This is not particularly Bush's fault, however; both parties are deeply into spending for their own parochial programs. Bush has been feckless with the veto, though.

Actually, if it were so easy to predict, why are there those here who then and up to a couple of months ago complained that I was a Commie & anti-American for saying that? For the most part it IS Bush's fault. His blind adherance to Neocon policy, his policy of giving money to those who would least use the money are among those. Your hindsight is 20/20 Albert.

Quote[/b] ]I am saying that no matter who gets elected, they will NOT pull us out of Iraq during their term.


Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,08:35)]Agree.

Even Ron Paul.

Quote[/b] ]In June, 2000 I predicted Bush would win thanks to Florida. He did. I predicted at the same time that if he won two terms we'd be in dire financial straits. We are.

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,08:35)]Pardon my bluntness, but it didn't take Jeanne Dixon to point that out.

Which is why you didn't?

Quote[/b] ]Still, I could be wrong.

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,08:35)]Again, agree.

But I doubt it.

[NL7W]

No kidding? Who would of thought?

[KG4JYD]

Ron Paul would absolutely pull the troops out of Iraq immediately. But you are right, no one else would.

[n2nh]

Nope. Not even Ron Paul.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,11:48)]Nope. Not even Ron Paul.
You are ignorant apparently and have not seen any of Ron's speeches.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,12:06)]...why are there those here who then and up to a couple of months ago complained that I was a Commie & anti-American for saying that?
Those same people would be calling your a commie and anti-American regardless, John, because you ARE a commie and anti-American. We all know that.

Quote[/b] ]For the most part it IS Bush's fault.

Of course, it is ALL Bush's fault. You will hear no denial about that from me.

Quote[/b] ]His blind adherance to Neocon policy, his policy of giving money to those who would least use the money are among those.

I don't believe his "adherence" is blind; I believe he does it with both eyes wide open. As to the money, if this is one of the many innuendoes that float around here about "Israel" and the Jews, I disagree. If it is not, I have no idea at what you are driving.

Quote[/b] ]Your hindsight is 20/20 Albert.

That's the beauty of hindsight, Bud.

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[K0RGR]

All 3 of the leading Democrats say they will "start" to pull troops out immediately. I think they're all going to be scrambling for something to say, because Bush is going to start pulling back some of his 'surge' this year, and claiming that this is proof of his great victory.

I think that whoever is elected will immediately declare U.S. military operations at an end, pull out the combat troops, and leave 1-200,000 'peacekeepers' and 'advisors' to help the Iraqis for the next 50-100 years.

[kc2orw]

Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Jan. 21 2008,16:17)]All 3 of the leading Democrats say they will "start" to pull troops out immediately. I think they're all going to be scrambling for something to say, because Bush is going to start pulling back some of his 'surge' this year, and claiming that this is proof of his great victory.

I think that whoever is elected will immediately declare U.S. military operations at an end, pull out the combat troops, and leave 1-200,000 'peacekeepers' and 'advisors' to help the Iraqis for the next 50-100 years.
That is probably the likely scenario it could be the only feasible scenario regardless of having a Pro or Con sentiment regarding the Iraq War. Yes that includes that other guy running as a Republican...

[N3ATS]

As much as I would like to believe RP would pull the troops out of Iraq, and I think he would if he could....

No one is going to pull them out. There are forces at work here far greater than that of the office of President.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Jan. 21 2008,18:59)]As much as I would like to believe RP would pull the troops out of Iraq, and I think he would if he could....

No one is going to pull them out. There are forces at work here far greater than that of the office of President.
It's real simple. All Ron Paul has to do is go on TV and say "I immediately order every American solider, airman, Marine, and seaman, to withdrawal from the state of Iraq.


Yes, it really is that easy.

[KU0DM]

Are they gonna walk out?
Drive the tanks out?

The logistics of pulling that large of number of humans out of Iraq are near impossible to achieve "simply"

The sheer mechanics of extracting all the equipment itself is mind boggling.

If it is really that easy, why doesn't someone else get on TV and order everyone back?

Yeah, it's simple like building an IC-7800 from scratch, with out schematics and instructions written in Mandarin.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 21 2008,19:24)]The logistics of pulling that large of number of humans out of Iraq are near impossible to achieve "simply"
Yes, but giving the order is very simple.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,23:25)]Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 21 2008,19:24)]The logistics of pulling that large of number of humans out of Iraq are near impossible to achieve "simply"
Yes, but giving the order is very simple.
Lotsof things are simple in neverland but not in reality. You'll understand that someday.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 21 2008,23:30)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,23:25)]Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 21 2008,19:24)]The logistics of pulling that large of number of humans out of Iraq are near impossible to achieve "simply"
Yes, but giving the order is very simple.
Lotsof things are simple in neverland but not in reality. You'll understand that someday.
What's so hard about calling the Joint Chiefs into a room and telling them "pull everyone out ASAP" ?

Please - I'd like to hear what is so difficult about that?

[kc7jty]

America doesn't really care about the wars. They know the gvt will have it's way there and not much can be done about it.
It's the main reason I feel we deserve all the "terrorists" can put on us.
Israel remains our best friend and ally though which is cause for rejoicing.

[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,12:20)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,11:48)]Nope. Not even Ron Paul.
You are ignorant apparently and have not seen any of Ron's speeches.
Reckless youth, naivete, and ignorance?

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,14:53)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,12:06)]...why are there those here who then and up to a couple of months ago complained that I was a Commie & anti-American for saying that?
Those same people would be calling your a commie and anti-American regardless, John, because you ARE a commie and anti-American. We all know that.
Thanks Albert. I've always wanted to hear that from a clueless 13th Century throwback. What was that you were saying about moi being insulting a couple of threads back?

It must be nice not even knowing what Charmin is. I hear that like you, most nazis have that problem.

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[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,14:20)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,11:48)]Nope. Not even Ron Paul.
You are ignorant apparently and have not seen any of Ron's speeches.
No, I've heard all the pie in the sky I can take from Paul. Apparently I've heard more campaign speeches than you have. Do you remember "NO NEW TAXES!!" [YAAAAY!!! - said millions] then we found out that was really "No Nude Taxes."

A campaign speech is exactly that. A speech. Not an Oath, or a Vow, or a "I swear to God on this stack of Bibles I'll do this." It's nothing more than vote for me. Why? Because!

No Ron Paul will not pull them out. His boss will tell him he can't.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 22 2008,09:20)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Jan. 21 2008,23:30)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,23:25)]Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 21 2008,19:24)]The logistics of pulling that large of number of humans out of Iraq are near impossible to achieve "simply"
Yes, but giving the order is very simple.
Lotsof things are simple in neverland but not in reality. You'll understand that someday.
What's so hard about calling the Joint Chiefs into a room and telling them "pull everyone out ASAP" ?

Please - I'd like to hear what is so difficult about that?
Ron has said that we cannot pull out in a day, but that we can withdraw in measured safety and without chaos. We could have left a long time ago, before Iran's people took over the South of Iraq.

[al2i]

Of course the salient fact is that we would be more free, more prosperous, more secure and workers would be more happy if Ron Paul had been President on 911 rather than George Bush, but the socialists and their sheep will bleat to protest this statement. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 21 2008,14:53)]Quote[/b] ]Your hindsight is 20/20 Albert.

That's the beauty of hindsight, Bud.

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Yes, I'm certain there are many people with devalued dollars, foreclosed mortgages and lower stocks that agree too.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,17:53)]Thanks Albert. #I've always wanted to hear that from a clueless 13th Century throwback. #What was that you were saying about moi being insulting a couple of threads back?
Awww, poor baby. I am so sorry to have hurt your ooohhh ssssssoo sssssssensitive feelings with my harsh widdle joke.

And, you should try the 13th century sometime. You might just want to become a 'throwback' yourself.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,14:56)]No, I've heard all the pie in the sky I can take from Paul. Apparently I've heard more campaign speeches than you have. Do you remember "NO NEW TAXES!!"
Apparently you haven't read Ron Paul's pristine record as a Congressman. He is perfectly consistent in his voting for the last 20+ years.

[KB1KIX]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,12:31)]Ron Paul would absolutely pull the troops out of Iraq immediately. But you are right, no one else would.
Yeah.... But Ron Paul isn't going to be elected,so......

Back to our long term global policing.....

Jonathan

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 22 2008,18:06)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,17:53)]Thanks Albert. I've always wanted to hear that from a clueless 13th Century throwback. What was that you were saying about moi being insulting a couple of threads back?
Awww, poor baby. I am so sorry to have hurt your ooohhh ssssssoo sssssssensitive feelings with my harsh widdle joke.

And, you should try the 13th century sometime. You might just want to become a 'throwback' yourself.
Apparently I have. Too bad Albert. I'll easily outlive you so you have that to cry over too. I always like people who insult you and then say it was a joke.

No thanks. These are the good old days my unemployed court jester. Keep the day job serf.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Jan. 22 2008,10:31)]America doesn't really care about the wars. They know the gvt will have it's way there and not much can be done about it.
Not if Ron Paul gets in office.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 22 2008,18:28)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,14:56)]No, I've heard all the pie in the sky I can take from Paul. Apparently I've heard more campaign speeches than you have. Do you remember "NO NEW TAXES!!"
Apparently you haven't read Ron Paul's pristine record as a Congressman. He is perfectly consistent in his voting for the last 20+ years.
Apparently you've never heard of Absolute Power and it's effects on Human Beings. But, there's two problems with this:

1) KIX is right, he's got less chance of getting elected than Hell freezing over.

2) Anything is possible in Ronnyworld. Except #1.

3) The other shoe has yet to drop on RP. Of course when it does, the Ronettes will drown in an Egyptian river.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,17:31)]Apparently you've never heard of Absolute Power and it's effects on Human Beings.
The President doesn't have absolute power. Can't you read? It's in the Constitution.

In fact Ron Paul will exercise LESS power as President than probably every President since before Lincoln. THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!!!!

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 23 2008,00:05)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,17:31)]Apparently you've never heard of Absolute Power and it's effects on Human Beings.
The President doesn't have absolute power. Can't you read? It's in the Constitution.

In fact Ron Paul will exercise LESS power as President than probably every President since before Lincoln. THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!!!!
Okay, that's it. What's next? A Double Dog Dare? How can you quantify something that can't be measured realistically and yet make a statement like that?

This is just what's wrong with the Ronettes.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,11:20)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,11:48)]Nope. Not even Ron Paul.
You are ignorant apparently and have not seen any of Ron's speeches.
I'm going to have to look more carefully, I've thought about RP, as a sort of "rebellion of the status quo", knowing that some of his most radical policies would not float with congress and he'd really not get too far with them.

But that's just totally irresponsible, and if he's serious I wont consider voting for him.

We broke it, we gotta finish fixin it.

As was mentioned I feel it a total insult to all that have given their all. Whether "their all" is their life, or their psyche in combat. To know it was all in vain?
That would just suck.

[wv6z]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Jan. 20 2008,09:13)]Quote[/b] (W4MAJ @ Jan. 21 2008,09:54)]If we could peer into a parallel universe...
My universe has no peers. Nor do I.

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Geez, you mean you really don't pee, ever?!?! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Jan. 22 2008,22:46)]We broke it, we gotta finish fixin it.
I didn't break anything. The American People didn't break anything. Our worthless government did.

Why should we continue to pay for something that we didn's screw up?

Besides, dont you know that Iraqis are better suited to fix their own country than we are?

What if the government of China decided that our government was incapable of handling Katrina and sent troops to help at gunpoint. We'd be pretty pissed.

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 21 2008,06:28)]Let's just say, that much like the change I mentioned two years ago, and mentioning last year that the economy was headed down the tubes, that this seems to be a no-brainer.

I am saying that no matter who gets elected, they will NOT pull us out of Iraq during their term.

In June, 2000 I predicted Bush would win thanks to Florida. He did. I predicted at the same time that if he won two terms we'd be in dire financial straits. We are.

Still, I could be wrong.
All you have is an opinion, now back it up and I'll believe you


anyone can make correct guesses

[KU0DM]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 23 2008,15:34)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Jan. 22 2008,22:46)]We broke it, we gotta finish fixin it.
I didn't break anything. The American People didn't break anything. Our worthless government did.

Why should we continue to pay for something that we didn's screw up?

Besides, dont you know that Iraqis are better suited to fix their own country than we are?

What if the government of China decided that our government was incapable of handling Katrina and sent troops to help at gunpoint. We'd be pretty pissed.
i think we'd be pissed if they thought we needed their help, ignorance is something the bush admin has down...

the government the majority of america voted for broke it, they aren't ALL the blame. we should've known better and thought more in depth at election time, about his policies, what they meant to the middle class, what they would mean under X, Y, and Z scenarios. not what they mean to us when we win the lottery and achieve world peace.

the reason we should continue to pay for the war: i don't know

the reason we SHOULD NOT continue paying for the way: Self-explanatory, i can provide plenty of info. on that matter if requested, i think most of you already know my stance from previous threads of why we need out of iraq, and never should have been in iraq in the first place.

but ya know, its all clinton's fault http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 23 2008,16:35)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 23 2008,15:34)]Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Jan. 22 2008,22:46)]We broke it, we gotta finish fixin it.
I didn't break anything. The American People didn't break anything. Our worthless government did.

Why should we continue to pay for something that we didn's screw up?

Besides, dont you know that Iraqis are better suited to fix their own country than we are?

What if the government of China decided that our government was incapable of handling Katrina and sent troops to help at gunpoint. We'd be pretty pissed.
i think we'd be pissed if they thought we needed their help, ignorance is something the bush admin has down...

the government the majority of america voted for broke it, they aren't ALL the blame. we should've known better and thought more in depth at election time, about his policies, what they meant to the middle class, what they would mean under X, Y, and Z scenarios. not what they mean to us when we win the lottery and achieve world peace.

the reason we should continue to pay for the war: i don't know

the reason we SHOULD NOT continue paying for the way: Self-explanatory, i can provide plenty of info. on that matter if requested, i think most of you already know my stance from previous threads of why we need out of iraq, and never should have been in iraq in the first place.

but ya know, its all clinton's fault http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Watch your language, who made you a moderator

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 23 2008,00:31)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 23 2008,00:05)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Jan. 22 2008,17:31)]Apparently you've never heard of Absolute Power and it's effects on Human Beings.
The President doesn't have absolute power. Can't you read? It's in the Constitution.

In fact Ron Paul will exercise LESS power as President than probably every President since before Lincoln. THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!!!!
Okay, that's it. What's next? A Double Dog Dare? How can you quantify something that can't be measured realistically and yet make a statement like that?

This is just what's wrong with the Ronettes.
Go for the throat!

Exert a slight breach of etiquette and go with the coup de grace of dares, the Triple Dog Dare! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Jan. 21 2008,09:31)]Ron Paul would absolutely pull the troops out of Iraq immediately. But you are right, no one else would.
Exactly, Ron Paul is what we need in this hour of crisis. Ron Paul surely does NOT belive in "nation building" and running up a huge debt.

Ron Paul is and will be the answer to our nations problems, that is why he probably will not win.

[KU0DM]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Jan. 23 2008,16:42)]Exactly, Ron Paul is what we need in this hour of crisis.
I actually might be ok with RP for an hour, then once he issued the simple command to get the troops out.

He can go.

Sound right?

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Jan. 23 2008,16:44)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Jan. 23 2008,16:42)]Exactly, Ron Paul is what we need in this hour of crisis.
I actually might be ok with RP for an hour, then once he issued the simple command to get the troops out.

He can go.

Sound right?
If he gets impeached, according to what is written in the Constitution, he would step down!

He understands what the "supreme law of the land" means.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Jan. 23 2008,16:42)]Ron Paul is and will be the answer to our nations problems, that is why he probably will not win.
LOL - ha ha that's hilarious.



To quote someone else "it's a lot easier to run on a platform of helping the poor when your programs create more poor". This describes the big government candidates perfectly.

[n2nh]

Quote[/b] (k0dxc @ Jan. 23 2008,18:28)]All you have is an opinion, now back it up and I'll believe you


anyone can make correct guesses
No, if you could this would've been your thread wouldn't it?
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[W2ILP]

Sad to say I agree...The next president will not pull out of Iraq.

This is now true because Kussinish has quit the race. He was the only one who would not let himself be controlled by what Ike called "The military industrial complex".

w2ilp (Ike Liked People)...not just corpoprations.

[W4INF]

1) Florida was rigged
2) We already knew it would be another decade before the boots come home. Sigh.

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Despite what she may say, Hilliary will be against an early pull out of Iraq. She has been with Bill long enough to know that "early pull out is bad..........."

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Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Jan. 24 2008,19:34)]what Ike called "The military industrial complex".
are they Zionists?

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The difference between Obama and Hillary is that a woman knows what it means when someone pulls out early, something Obama simply does not understand.

Oh wait, read Obamas book....... perhaps he knows what it feels like when someone pulls out prematurely.............

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Hi, would like to welcome to WitchBeotch Airlines. We would like to thank all you serviceman and woman for spending so many years in Iraq. Upon our arrival there will be a line -- please turn in your uniform, your ID cards -- your fired, r, your services are no longer required. You will be expected to go back home and find a job -- if you can find one because jobs are not there because my husband signed NAFTA while he was in office. Oh by the way, in the event of another attack on the US we will call you back with no pay and expect you to be happy about it. Enjoy your flight home.......