Jay Leno with scab material

[W1GUH]

So...union labor is the best, but we don't want to pay for quality.

That's why we're down the tubes.

[W4INF]

I dont know... I quit watching late night shows when Johnny retired. Last night, I watched a double episode of Mythbusters.

Your analogy of union labor holds no water IMHO.

[N0WVA]

He wasnt that great to begin with, so no big loss. I dont need to be up that late anyway.

[W4INF]

Quote[/b] (N0WVA @ Jan. 09 2008,06:16)]He wasnt that great to begin with {snip}
Aint that the truth... and IMHO, the old Dave Letterman was better than the new one. Thank god for cable, dont have to settle for the weak attempts to do CPR on late-nite-TV. :-0

[K3XR]

Constitution Right:
Writers to strike
Leno to work
Union supporters to complain

What's the problem??

[W4INF]

The only problem is Id rather watch re-runs of Carson than any of the new shows out! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[K5FH]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ Jan. 10 2008,00:39)]So...union labor is the best, but we don't want to pay for quality.

That's why we're down the tubes.
If Union labor is the best, and the dreck that passes for late-night TV is a product of their best efforts...

You're right. We're down the tubes.

[w3wn]

Quote[/b] ]Jay Leno with scab material. Very lame.You're just now noticing? Where've you been since Carson retired?

[W4HAY]

I'm still aghasted that people actually get paid to write that drivel that infests the airwaves!

[KD6NIG]

Haven't watched in years. Usually any of those shows are good for a few laughs during the monologue I guess.

But nothing worth staying up for.

I haven't stayed up in years to see any show like that, and now, with the internet, you basically have laughs on demand anyway, so why bother.

I don't know what the share is on these shows, but hasn't it been falling pretty steadily over the years? I mean, unless you don't have a job to go to, most people I'm guessing opt for the sleep and the heck with the comedy. And I'm sure a good portion of people, if they do stay up, watch the beginning, maybe the first "skit" or segment, then they are gone anyway.

Robin Williams is a funny guy, but I have his comedy from HBO on DVD. I can watch that on my time, and he doesn't have to censor himself either. Good comedians who curse (but not a lot) aren't that good on regular TV. Period.

I don't see how the "Late Late" shows even make it. Unless I was at work and doing a job where I could watch TV, I wouldn't consider that. Ok, maybe if I was up and sick and not going to work the next day and couldn't sleep. Maybe.

I just don't see it.

Oh, and if they stay on strike and no new shows come out, I'm not going to notice. I watch about 3 shows on TV semi-religiously, and half the time I miss them anyway. Going to reruns will just make the "oops" not as bad I suppose.

I guess people will miss reality TV. I have plenty of my own reality, and its not on hiatus. I'll be fine http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KB1KIX]

This was a laugh.

I hope they fire them all and start from scratch.

Especially late night writers - why are they in the strike?

The main arguement I keep hearing is online distribution rights and DVD sales - which, for the most part, late night TV doesn't get involved with (at least not DVD stuff).

They have the right to strike, but the employer also has the right to replace their sorry asses with those that would like to work for what they were getting paid.

I saw no difference - Jay and Dave have both sucked for the better part of the last decade!

Jonathan

[K2WH]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ Jan. 09 2008,20:39)]So...union labor is the best, but we don't want to pay for quality.

That's why we're down the tubes.
I gather from your statment you are a union member. If so, that explains alot.

K2WH

[K5FH]

Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Jan. 10 2008,15:43)]I gather from your statment you are a union member. #If so, that explains alot.
You gather wrong. I have never been a union member.

The problem with message boards is that sometime subtle shadings of meaning don't come through. My point was, if the quality of material used on late-night TV is the best that the SWG is capable of, it doesn't say much for the union's quality standards (assuming, of course, that they have any...which seems doubful).

BTW - the SWG is technically a guild, not a union (hence the word "guild" in their name). Not that it makes any practical difference.

[kf6rdn]

I sure wish I could get paid for stuff I've worked on in the past.

I put up a server at a publishing company, how come I can't get residuals whenever they store crap on it?

Or everytime the firewall I put up over there blocks something?

Why do they insist it's not FAIR to not get paid for something they did that they already got paid for. I've never understood that.

A grocery bagger gets paid when they are bagging groceries, how come they dont get paid when I take them OUT and eat my food? Man their union must SUCK!
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[W8EFA]

Except for the original post this thread has been like the parade of the grumpy morons.

[kf6rdn]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Jan. 10 2008,15:37)]Except for the original post this thread has been like the parade of the grumpy morons.
Union member?
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[W1GUH]

Quote[/b] (W4INF @ Jan. 09 2008,14:40)]The only problem is Id rather watch re-runs of Carson than any of the new shows out! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
So would I. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[N7RJD]

Quote[/b] (kf6rdn @ Jan. 10 2008,09:11)]A grocery bagger gets paid when they are bagging groceries, how come they dont get paid when I take them OUT and eat my food? Man their union must SUCK!
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You're supposed to be sending them a quarterly check estimating how many of the bags you refilled with trash and threw away. This is under the control of the IRS (Independant Reusable Sack) Dept. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[AC4BB]

The labor unions (were) once a great thing in this country. they got people better working conditions anD more benefits and safer working conditions, But, with all that said. Labor unions have turned to sources of greed and somewhat of a joke these days and no wonder so many Big corporations are leaving America, they are having to take so much crap off the Labor unions they have to stay competive in the markets, I'm with Jonathon, I believe they should let the writers Arses starve and learn that you don't alwys get everything you want simply because you're in the union. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Jan. 10 2008,18:15)]The labor unions (were) once a great thing in this country. they got people better working conditions anD more benefits and safer working conditions, But, with all that said. Labor unions have turned to sources of greed and somewhat of a joke these days and no wonder so many Big corporations are leaving America, they are having to take so much crap off the Labor unions they have to stay competive in the markets, I'm with Jonathon, I believe they should let the writers Arses starve and learn that you don't alwys get everything you want simply because you're in the union. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
My union has provided me with the best training I could ever get enabling me to work anywhere. It provided me with a means to not have to battle an employer on my own that threatens me with termination if I refuse to work in an unsafe environment. My union enables me to go to work outside my state without having to jump through the hoops of employers looking for the cheapest labor they can find. My union has provided me with great pay and benefits that are *not* held nor controlled by corporations that can take them away from me. Unions in general have make the workplace safer over the years for all workers, both union and non-union. Remember, it was the unions that brought all of us weekends off.

All the rats have done is reduce the pay and virtually eliminated benefit packages for hard working Americans all over the country, you know, the one's that have actually built our nation.

Unions are building America, the rats are tearing it apart and driving hard working people into poverty.

How dare you call union labor greedy because they want to be able to provide their members with a modicum of pay and benefits, be able to put their kids through college and drive a decent car by working for and building corporations that pay their upper level managers millions and millions of dollars?

How many union members do you know that are millionaires?

Skilled tradespeople work very hard in nasty, dangerous environments. Many are injured and killed on the job.

We don't deserve a decent living wage?

If it weren't for the rats I would be able to stay at home and work. Instead, I am working 170 miles from home. At least our Union gives me the opportunity to work at all.

Yes, I am a member of a Union and I am very proud of it. Union members need to stick together and remember that solidarity got us where we are and individual greed and laziness is tearing us apart.

Mark Derby, K8MHZ
State of Michigan Licensed Journeyman Electrician
Journeyman Inside Wireman, I.B.E.W Local 275 now working out of the 697 Local in Hammond, Indiana at Mittal Steel Plant #2, East Chicago, IN.

[n5tjd]

I believe from whate little I've paid attention to all this, is that Jay Leno supports the writers but by contract he HAD to return to the air after so many weeks, or he and all the others working for the show would be out of a job. He doesn't have his own production company like Letterman and so couldn't independently come to agreements with his writers... lot of good it did Letterman, I find him the least funny of all the late night shows.

[AC4BB]

Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ Jan. 11 2008,08:45)]Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Jan. 10 2008,18:15)]The labor unions (were) once a great thing in this country. they #got people better working #conditions #anD more benefits #and #safer working #conditions, But, with all that said. Labor unions have turned to sources of greed and #somewhat of a joke these days #and no wonder so many Big corporations are leaving America, they are having to take so much crap off the Labor unions they have to stay competive in the markets, I'm #with #Jonathon, I believe they should let the writers Arses starve #and learn that you #don't alwys get #everything you want simply because you're in the union. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
My union has provided me with the best training I could ever get enabling me to work anywhere. #It provided me with a means to not have to battle an employer on my own that threatens me with termination if I refuse to work in an unsafe environment. #My union enables me to go to work outside my state without having to jump through the hoops of employers looking for the cheapest labor they can find. #My union has provided me with great pay and benefits that are *not* held nor controlled by corporations that can take them away from me. #Unions in general have make the workplace safer over the years for all workers, both union and non-union. #Remember, it was the unions that brought all of us weekends off.

All the rats have done is reduce the pay and virtually eliminated benefit packages for hard working Americans all over the country, you know, the one's that have actually built our nation.

Unions are building America, the rats are tearing it apart and driving hard working people into poverty.

How dare you call union labor greedy because they want to be able to provide their members with a modicum of pay and benefits, be able to put their kids through college and drive a decent car by working for and building corporations that pay their upper level managers millions and millions of dollars?

How many union members do you know that are millionaires?

Skilled tradespeople work very hard in nasty, dangerous environments. #Many are injured and killed on the job.

We don't deserve a decent living wage?

If it weren't for the rats I would be able to stay at home and work. #Instead, I am working 170 miles from home. #At least our Union gives me the opportunity to work at all.

Yes, I am a member of a Union and I am very proud of it. #Union members need to stick together and remember that solidarity got us where we are and individual greed and laziness is tearing us apart.

Mark Derby, K8MHZ
State of Michigan Licensed Journeyman Electrician
Journeyman Inside Wireman, I.B.E.W Local 275 now working #out of the 697 Local in Hammond, Indiana at Mittal Steel Plant #2, East Chicago, IN.
Actually the only Union memebers that are probably millionaires probably didn't get dirty to earn any of it.! And, speaking as one who worked a few union shops, I've had maybe one occasion they(theUnion) actually helped me out the majority of the time I had to "go to bat" all by myself.
And as far as unions providing training the majority of the time The companies do that to increase employee efficiency and it saves the bucks and helps cutdown on Incompetetence at work places and sometimes It's required by the dept of labor. Some companies are more genereous with compensation packages than others.
But as a general rule, the unions have played most of their hands already in getting employee benefits increased. Employers know China and the third world will do the job . And, I don't recall seeing much about those places contending with Labor unions.? Even "Shaftya" under Bill Clinton, was proof unions are slipping in power.
You recall "Shaftya" that sent big and small corporate employers to Mexico & Canada. You could hear the big sound big sucking sound of jobs going across the borders and overseas. And it's little brother CEFTA, that gave Central America another slice of the working pie. So much for made in America anymore.

[nz3m]

Not all jobs and professions warrant "great pay and benefits"

That's how unions break companies and cause them to look elsewhere.

A union worker standing at a machine all day expects $50-$70k a year which is ridiculous. To pay that, the employer has to raise prices until he can't anymore. Then they have to look for alternatives.

Dave

[kc2orw]

Quote[/b] (W1GUH @ Jan. 10 2008,03:39)]So...union labor is the best, but we don't want to pay for quality.

That's why we're down the tubes.
Your wrong but only in one aspect the NeoCons and it's semi-reformed branch of Sociopaths and Narcissist's simply don't support quality of life. After all the NeoCons and their deviant sub-version got theirs and everyone else well "If they can't work they should just hurry up and die" or "Let them eat cake" don't matter if they stole it or not just a matter of constitutionality... we may need a new constitution soon.

Oh well that's enough fun for today there is plenty of material left to post on another day. Plenty for sure you couldn't ask for easier targets who pretty much hand it to you on a platter.

[n4sva]

On unions, this is exactly why the foreign transplant auto maker plants such as Honda, Nissan, Toyota, and Hyundai, are making a better product. Plus, their own employees have repeatedly voted down union representation.

[AC4BB]

You have places here like Honda Alabama. Making trucks & minivans paying on averge up to $27.00 bucks an hour. They agreed never to ask for a union and never have. the Japanese,Germans and Koreans just brought the highest paying auto jobs to the U.S. and never had to haggle with the UAW to get it done.