Tea Party '07 [Archive]

KL1ZB

12-16-2007, 12:26 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:05)]Sure, dream on. Small think in support of a small-thinking politician. Fits the Lilliputian to a tee.
You, bet ya.

Because all the other candidates are ssssssoooooooo much better.

OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.

HA! and you have the nerve to talk about "Small think"(er).

W3MIV

12-16-2007, 12:46 AM

Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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k9kxq

12-16-2007, 01:05 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 15 2007,19:06)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 15 2007,20:05)]"The Mad Hatter throws a Tea Party"

will Alice come?
Even Alice is not gullible enough to swallow this stuff. Her magic mushrooms were nuttin' compared to this!

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Have a cup of mushroom tea Albert, if you could only think as small...

Paul has a better record than any of the crooks in politics presently but unfortunenatly he has a Chinamans chance to be elected, we will get stuck with one of the crooks, enjoy the trip...

kxq

KL1ZB

12-16-2007, 01:35 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "

K8MHZ

12-16-2007, 02:06 AM

Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,13:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
Someone must have a 'kreestal ball'.

KL1ZB

12-16-2007, 05:00 AM

The madness begins!!!!

KB0LPI

12-16-2007, 05:16 AM

I like the medicine Dr. Paul is prescribing. However, I'm not real sure the dosage is appropriate. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

KA7RRA

12-16-2007, 08:48 AM

Its time to have a 2007 tea party and vote against the republican party and the democratic party and put in a independent We are just going to have the same all over again

N3ATS

12-16-2007, 01:51 PM

N3ATS

12-16-2007, 03:36 PM

$1,764,206.70 raised since midnight!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/swweiss/paul_everyonejpg.jpg

KG4JYD

12-16-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ Dec. 16 2007,01:48)]Its time to have a 2007 tea party and vote against the republican party and the democratic party and put in a independent We are just going to have the same all over again
I vowed never to vote for either party again with the exception of someone like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a different kind of Republican.

KG4JYD

12-16-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Dec. 15 2007,18:05)]Paul has a better record than any of the crooks in politics presently but unfortunenatly he has a Chinamans chance to be elected, we will get stuck with one of the crooks, enjoy the trip...
Ron Paul has as much chance as you give him. The election is not decided yet.

In fact, this is one of those unique instances in modern history where the energized voter can actually determine the outcome. The ONLY reason Ron Paul won't win the primary is if his supporters don't work hard enough (assuming no voting fraud).

KL1ZB

12-16-2007, 10:15 PM

Well we are at 3.8 Million so far with over 3 hours to go. I would like to see it a little higher but hey at least we will break the Nov. 5 record.

W3MIV

12-16-2007, 11:50 PM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 16 2007,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
He keeps denying it, though he keeps saying it. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Why not vote for Hillary, Albert? #She's electable?

What? #Her views don't match what you would like to see in a president? #Ohhhhhh....
That you Lilliputian Pushers cannot see the distinction speak more about you than it does about me.

I am quite content to watch your diminutive hero strut his hour, and I assure you, after the early primaries he will be heard no more. Merely the mewling of his abandoned kits under the back porch...

KL1ZB

12-17-2007, 12:17 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 15 2007,17:50)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 16 2007,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
He keeps denying it, though he keeps saying it. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Why not vote for Hillary, Albert? #She's electable?

What? #Her views don't match what you would like to see in a president? #Ohhhhhh....
That you Lilliputian Pushers cannot see the distinction speak more about you than it does about me.

I am quite content to watch your diminutive hero strut his hour, and I assure you, after the early primaries he will be heard no more. Merely the mewling of his abandoned kits under the back porch...
Hey, I only responded to your reply with a quote from YOU.

I don't see why your so negative after all YOU said it, not me.

al2i

12-17-2007, 12:22 AM

We broke the previous record already! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

wa4brl

12-17-2007, 12:35 AM

Quote[/b] ]If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away.
1. #If you don't vote for someone because you think he is unelectable, that's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

2. #The only way to throw way your vote is to vote for someone other than the one you want to win.

w9mpc

12-17-2007, 12:35 AM

I've never been very politically active. I've voted both Republican and Democrat-- in each case picking the candidate who "sucked the LEAST." I've never even considered giving anyone a campaign contribution before.
But I did today. For the past few weeks I've searched everything I could find about Ron Paul, and while I don't agree with all of his views, I do admire his honesty, tenacity, and pluck!
And, as others have said, he has as much of a chance as YOU give him. He'll have my vote, and I wish him luck!
Mike Coplan
KC9GKH

KG4JYD

12-17-2007, 02:47 AM

Quote[/b] (kc9gkh @ Dec. 16 2007,17:35)]And, as others have said, he has as much of a chance as YOU give him. He'll have my vote, and I wish him luck!
I've heard your story a hundred times from fellow Ron Paul supporters. He really has "cured a lot of peoples' political apathy".

He will win if we work hard enough.

Here are two sites you need to visit to get in touch with your local group of Ron Paul supporters:

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/
and
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/

K3XR

12-17-2007, 03:35 AM

Good news for Ronnie and the Ronetts, at least his name shows up on the polls, now, such as it is....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls....92.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html)

n2ize

12-17-2007, 04:03 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 15 2007,17:05)]"The Mad Hatter throws a Tea Party"

will Alice come?
I don't know but if she does come I want to meet her. That dame was freaky.

n2ize

12-17-2007, 04:04 AM

Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Dec. 16 2007,20:35)]Good news for Ronnie and the Ronetts, at least his name shows up on the polls, now, such as it is....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls....92.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html)
Yeah, but have they got an album out yet ?

AE6IP

12-17-2007, 05:23 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 16 2007,12:34)]Quote[/b] (k9kxq @ Dec. 15 2007,18:05)]Paul has a better record than any of the crooks in politics presently but unfortunenatly he has a Chinamans chance to be elected, we will get stuck with one of the crooks, enjoy the trip...
Ron Paul has as much chance as you give him. The election is not decided yet.

In fact, this is one of those unique instances in modern history where the energized voter can actually determine the outcome. The ONLY reason Ron Paul won't win the primary is if his supporters don't work hard enough (assuming no voting fraud).
Ron Paul won't win in the primary because there aren't enough registered voters in the United States who are both economically illiterate enough and unfamiliar enough with constitutional law to buy into his nonsense.

It's a pity that the other candidates who shouldn't be elected aren't as obviously wrong for the job, but there it is.

AE6IP

12-17-2007, 05:30 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 16 2007,17:22)]We broke the previous record already!
Less than 6M raised in the famous 24 hours.

And now you know why you should never try to jump the shark a second time.

Pretty underwhelming performance compared to the goal.

It'll be interesting to see how the Paulette's spin that.

KG4JYD

12-17-2007, 05:32 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2007,22:30)]Pretty underwhelming performance compared to the goal.

It'll be interesting to see how the Paulette's spin that.
Simple: the goal was unrealistic.

However we still beat a few records again....

AE6IP

12-17-2007, 05:55 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 16 2007,22:32)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2007,22:30)]Pretty underwhelming performance compared to the goal.

It'll be interesting to see how the Paulette's spin that.
Simple: the goal was unrealistic.
Yup. "Unrealistic" pretty much sums up Ron Paul and his supporters.

W4DFW

12-17-2007, 06:09 AM

Are you a Ron Paul Bot?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KG4JYD

12-17-2007, 08:11 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 16 2007,22:55)]
They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.

And you are an ass.

AE6IP

12-18-2007, 05:42 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 17 2007,01:11)]They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.
Actually, they claimed to be looking for both 100,000 total and some number of new sign ups I don't now recall, in addition to 10 million in total donations.

They never came close to any of those goals.

Which speaks eloquently to the lack of organization skills and grass roots support, despite the trumpeting to the contrary one heard around here before the fact.

al2i

12-18-2007, 05:48 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 17 2007,21:42)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 17 2007,01:11)]They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.
Actually, they claimed to be looking for both 100,000 total and some number of new sign ups I don't now recall, in addition to 10 million in total donations.

They never came close to any of those goals.

Which speaks eloquently to the lack of organization skills and grass roots support, despite the trumpeting to the contrary one heard around here before the fact.
The Ron Paul campaign official goal for the quarter was $12 million. We are now over $18 million in official donations with millions more in unofficial campaign activities. "Which speaks eloquently to" your intellectually bankrupt BS. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

ab8ro

12-18-2007, 06:04 AM

Fascinating.

AE6IP

12-18-2007, 06:04 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 17 2007,22:48)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 17 2007,21:42)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 17 2007,01:11)]They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.
Actually, they claimed to be looking for both 100,000 total and some number of new sign ups I don't now recall, in addition to 10 million in total donations.

They never came close to any of those goals.

Which speaks eloquently to the lack of organization skills and grass roots support, despite the trumpeting to the contrary one heard around here before the fact.
The Ron Paul campaign official goal for the quarter was $12 million. We are now over $18 million in official donations with millions more in unofficial campaign activities.
That would all be very nice if it were in any way relevant to a discussion of the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, which badly missed all of its goals.

al2i

12-18-2007, 06:12 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 17 2007,22:04)]That would all be very nice if it were in any way relevant to a discussion of the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, which badly missed all of its goals.
You are actually beginning to babble rather incoherently in your envious mania about Ron Paul. Take your meds and get some sleep. Maybe you'll find a candidate of your own someday.

AE6IP

12-18-2007, 06:21 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 17 2007,23:12)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 17 2007,22:04)]That would all be very nice if it were in any way relevant to a discussion of the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, which badly missed all of its goals.
You are actually beginning to babble rather incoherently in your envious mania about Ron Paul. Take your meds and get some sleep. Maybe you'll find a candidate of your own someday.
ah McGraw, always count on you for an insult.

Never grow up McGraw, you'd lose all humor value if you did.

KG4JYD

12-18-2007, 06:28 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 17 2007,23:04)]Tea Party, which badly missed all of its goals.
It didn't miss all of its goals because it broke Kerry's record and it got positive media attention. Those two in itself were very worthwhile.

Then as previously mentioned the campaign has indeed received much more money than it's stated goal for the quarter.

n2ize

12-18-2007, 07:04 AM

Ron Paul is not a viable candidate.

ab8ro

12-18-2007, 07:33 AM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 17 2007,01:04)]Ron Paul is not a viable candidate.
Is he a viagra candidate?

KG4JYD

12-18-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 18 2007,00:04)]Ron Paul is not a viable candidate.
Millions of others disagree with you.

His popularity is rising faster than any of the other GOP candidates.

AE6IP

12-18-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 18 2007,10:26)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 18 2007,00:04)]Ron Paul is not a viable candidate.
Millions of others disagree with you.

His popularity is rising faster than any of the other GOP candidates.
And, given that y'all don't believe in polls, how do you know that?

If anything, the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, by failing to generate the number of new supporters it intended, indicates that his support is faltering.

G8ADD

12-18-2007, 05:51 PM

I thought you guys reckoned a tea party was throwing bales of the stuff into the harbour.....

73

Brian G8ADD

W3MIV

12-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Dec. 18 2007,13:51)]I thought you guys reckoned a tea party was throwing bales of the stuff into the harbour.....

73

Brian G8ADD
A "Ron Paul Tea Party" is a candidate throwing bales of "stuff" at gullible internet dreamers. IOW, same principle, but smellier "stuff."

al2i

12-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Our stunning patriotic victory on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party has filled me with pride and hope for the future. Even the complete phonies and willful fools are getting the message that there is one candidate with a philosophy of rational individualism in a field of more than a dozen big time collectivist nut-cases who think an ever-more omnipresent government is the proper path for our children's future.

KB1KIX

12-18-2007, 09:41 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 17 2007,04:11)]
They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.

And you are an ass.
Did you send in your hundred?

Jonathan

k9kxq

12-18-2007, 09:50 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 17 2007,03:11)]
They were simply looking to get 100,000 people to donate $100 which is unrealistic at this point in time.

And you are an ass.
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kxq

N3ATS

12-19-2007, 01:37 AM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 16 2007,18:50)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 16 2007,09:51)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
He keeps denying it, though he keeps saying it. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Why not vote for Hillary, Albert? She's electable?

What? Her views don't match what you would like to see in a president? Ohhhhhh....
That you Lilliputian Pushers cannot see the distinction speak more about you than it does about me.

I am quite content to watch your diminutive hero strut his hour, and I assure you, after the early primaries he will be heard no more. Merely the mewling of his abandoned kits under the back porch...
Oh, so poetic.

You said to vote for someone electable, many times. So why not Hillary? She's electable?

N3ATS

12-19-2007, 01:43 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 18 2007,12:43)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 18 2007,10:26)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 18 2007,00:04)]Ron Paul is not a viable candidate.
Millions of others disagree with you.

His popularity is rising faster than any of the other GOP candidates.
And, given that y'all don't believe in polls, how do you know that?

If anything, the Mad Hatter's Tea Party, by failing to generate the number of new supporters it intended, indicates that his support is faltering.
How do we know Paul's popularity is rising?

His support is faltering?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/swweiss/Ron_Paul_2008_PCC_Fundraisingcopy.jpg

K3XR

12-19-2007, 02:15 AM

Well, can't say Ronnie and the Ronetts don't have enthusiasm, they have page 1 of the ZED all tied up.

KG4JYD

12-19-2007, 07:06 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 18 2007,10:43)]And, given that y'all don't believe in polls, how do you know that?
Because we have over 70,000 members who are actually volunteering for the campaign.

Given the fact that almost as many have donated to Ron as well, all of this can be extrapolated to give clues to the true numbers of supporters he has.

N3ATS

12-21-2007, 01:19 AM

Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
And I quote...

From 9/28/2007...

Quote[/b] ]
The only way to win is to put forward a man (or woman) who is a scoundrel, a mountebank, but is YOUR scoundrel. You may not like it, but it is the only way that works.

Drop this silly, masturbatory obsession and grab hold of a rope that is attached to something other than a pipe dream and PULL for all you are worth.

Else we are doomed to the worst sort of fascistic governance. The Demokrat Left will seek to control every aspect of your life and the lives or all you hold dear. If you thing that the Rightists of the Republikons are a controlling lot, just wait 'til you see what Shrillary has in store for you.

AE6IP

12-21-2007, 06:05 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 19 2007,00:06)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 18 2007,10:43)]And, given that y'all don't believe in polls, how do you know that?
Because we have over 70,000 members who are actually volunteering for the campaign.

Given the fact that almost as many have donated to Ron as well, all of this can be extrapolated to give clues to the true numbers of supporters he has.
and they don't give much time (http://www.time4ronpaul.com/)

You'd better hope that they remember to vote.

Now, put the number in perspective. How many volunteers do each of the other campaigns have?

n2ize

12-21-2007, 11:20 AM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 20 2007,18:19)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

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And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
And I quote...

From 9/28/2007...

Quote[/b] ]
The only way to win is to put forward a man (or woman) who is a scoundrel, a mountebank, but is YOUR scoundrel. You may not like it, but it is the only way that works.

Drop this silly, masturbatory obsession and grab hold of a rope that is attached to something other than a pipe dream and PULL for all you are worth.

Else we are doomed to the worst sort of fascistic governance. The Demokrat Left will seek to control every aspect of your life and the lives or all you hold dear. If you thing that the Rightists of the Republikons are a controlling lot, just wait 'til you see what Shrillary has in store for you.

Quote[/b] ]
Else we are doomed to the worst sort of fascistic governance. The Demokrat Left will seek to control every aspect of your life and the lives or all you hold dear.[/b] If you thing that the Rightists of the Republikons are a controlling lot, just wait 'til you see what Shrillary has in store for you.

Is this a quote from Ron Paul ? If so then this guy is nuttier than I ever imagined.

al2i

12-21-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 18 2007,23:06)]Because we have over 70,000 members who are actually volunteering for the campaign.

Given the fact that almost as many have donated to Ron as well, all of this can be extrapolated to give clues to the true numbers of supporters he has.
I got free drinks and snacks at 32 thousand feet over Seattle last night because the flight attendant said it was "happy hour for Ron Paul supporters" when she saw my little "Who is Ron Paul?" button. I was flying coach but got first class treatment. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Our 1-week-old Wasilla group was scrambling to find chairs for supporters at the meeting this evening. The first meeting had 4 show up, two of whom were out of town tonight.

BTW, several really -- and I mean really -- cute girls showed up, so if you are a single guy, a "Ron Paul" button may just be your ticket to paradise... They seemed super passionate about the moral and practical superiority of individual liberty! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

W3MIV

12-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 21 2007,07:53)]BTW, several really -- and I mean really -- cute girls showed up, so if you are a single guy, a "Ron Paul" button may just be your ticket to paradise...
TU, Dave. At long last you have posted a rationale for supporting the Lilliputian that makes some sense.

al2i

12-21-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 21 2007,04:02)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 21 2007,07:53)]BTW, several really -- and I mean really -- cute girls showed up, so if you are a single guy, a "Ron Paul" button may just be your ticket to paradise...
TU, Dave. At long last you have posted a rationale for supporting the Lilliputian that makes some sense.
The Lil' candidate will cause quite an uproar at Alaska's Republican convention, and I'll be there helping to stir the pot. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

al2i

12-21-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 20 2007,22:05)]and they don't give much time (http://www.time4ronpaul.com/)
I have contributed many quintillion femtoseconds.

N3ATS

12-21-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 21 2007,06:20)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 20 2007,18:19)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:35)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 14 2007,18:46)]Quote[/b] (KL1ZB @ Dec. 15 2007,20:26)]OOppss I forgot, W3MIV you only vote for a person because of how popular they are and not for what they have to say.
I see you know as much about me as you know about your diminutive hero. Which ain't much.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And I quote...

W3MIV, "If you vote for someone who can win an election, you have a chance to influence that election. If, however, you vote for someone who cannot win, you have "thrown" your vote away. Ipso facto. "
And I quote...

From 9/28/2007...

Quote[/b] ]
The only way to win is to put forward a man (or woman) who is a scoundrel, a mountebank, but is YOUR scoundrel. You may not like it, but it is the only way that works.

Drop this silly, masturbatory obsession and grab hold of a rope that is attached to something other than a pipe dream and PULL for all you are worth.

Else we are doomed to the worst sort of fascistic governance. The Demokrat Left will seek to control every aspect of your life and the lives or all you hold dear. If you thing that the Rightists of the Republikons are a controlling lot, just wait 'til you see what Shrillary has in store for you.

Quote[/b] ]
Else we are doomed to the worst sort of fascistic governance. The Demokrat Left will seek to control every aspect of your life and the lives or all you hold dear.[/b] If you thing that the Rightists of the Republikons are a controlling lot, just wait 'til you see what Shrillary has in store for you.

Is this a quote from Ron Paul ? If so then this guy is nuttier than I ever imagined.
Nope, they are the words from our very own MIV.

KG4JYD

12-21-2007, 04:22 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 20 2007,23:05)]and they don't give much time (http://www.time4ronpaul.com/)

You'd better hope that they remember to vote.

Now, put the number in perspective. How many volunteers do each of the other campaigns have?
I've been working for Ron Paul since March and I have NEVER seen that site talked about at all ever; no one uses it.

Besides, even if that did represent the over +70,000 REGISTERED volunteers for Ron Paul's campaign, at an average of 1.34hrs or whatever it was, that's still close to 100k man/hours of grassroots support. Again, much more than any other candidate.

KG4JYD

12-21-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 21 2007,04:53)]BTW, several really -- and I mean really -- cute girls showed up, so if you are a single guy, a "Ron Paul" button may just be your ticket to paradise... They seemed super passionate about the moral and practical superiority of individual liberty! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
All of the decent looking ones here in Nashville are married.... grrr.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

AE6IP

12-22-2007, 04:15 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 21 2007,09:22)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 20 2007,23:05)]and they don't give much time (http://www.time4ronpaul.com/)

You'd better hope that they remember to vote.

Now, put the number in perspective. How many volunteers do each of the other campaigns have?
I've been working for Ron Paul since March and I have NEVER seen that site talked about at all ever; no one uses it.

Well yes. That was part of the point.

Quote[/b] ]Besides, even if that did represent the over +70,000 REGISTERED volunteers for Ron Paul's campaign, at an average of 1.34hrs or whatever it was, that's still close to 100k man/hours of grassroots support. Again, much more than any other candidate.

How many volunteers do the other campaigns have?

How do you know that there's "much more" than any other candidate, when you don't even have an accurate count of how many hours are put in by Paul's volunteers?

What does it mean, by the way, that there are 70,000 volunteers but fewer than 60,000 contributed to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party?

I don't know if you have any experience with volunteer organizations other than Ron Paul's, but a lot more people register than do work in every volunteer organization.

KG4JYD

12-22-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 21 2007,21:15)]How many volunteers do the other campaigns have?

What does it mean, by the way, that there are 70,000 volunteers but fewer than 60,000 contributed to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party?
Check out http://ronpaul.meetup.com - that'll give you a good indication.

We're closing in on 100,000 supporters who have signed up to volunteer.

Many more don't sign up but still support or help out.

AE6IP

12-22-2007, 07:13 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 22 2007,08:42)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 21 2007,21:15)]How many volunteers do the other campaigns have?

What does it mean, by the way, that there are 70,000 volunteers but fewer than 60,000 contributed to the Mad Hatter's Tea Party?
Check out http://ronpaul.meetup.com - that'll give you a good indication.

We're closing in on 100,000 supporters who have signed up to volunteer.

Many more don't sign up but still support or help out.
You have made the claim that Paul has more volunteers than other campaigns.

Please show me numbers about volunteers that show that.

I can't tell if your 70,00, er, i mean 100,000 volunteers is a lot or a few, unless you compare the number.

KG4JYD

12-23-2007, 04:20 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 22 2007,12:13)]You have made the claim that Paul has more volunteers than other campaigns.

Please show me numbers about volunteers that show that.

I can't tell if your 70,00, er, i mean 100,000 volunteers is a lot or a few, unless you compare the number.
"Ron Paul received donations from over 123,000 people this quarter. If one out of 100 voters donate to a presidential candidate that means Paul has the support of over 12 million primary voters. It's estimated that less than 1 out of 100 voters donate in a primary. "

Source:
http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=207908

I am looking for more information on this, and hopefully I'll find it soon.

KG4JYD

12-23-2007, 04:29 AM

Here it is (as of a few weeks ago):

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n2ize

12-23-2007, 06:16 AM

So, now let's imagine election day comes and Paul gets elected. What is he going to do for the middle class to assure they can successfully overcome t5he burdens under which they have fallen and rise once again to where they were in the past ?

Other than eliminate taxes and government regulatory processes and agencies and letting the free market sort it all out what is he going to do toi assure..

1) If a person winds up in the hospital and is uninsured they can keep their home, not fall deep into perpetual debt, and not have to go without proper treatment ?

2) Assure that the free market acts as good stewards to our nation in taking it upon themselves to protect the environment, provide good jobs and good pay to the millions who comprise the middle class,

Remember, simply ending taxes and closing down regulatory agencies is not enough. Back in the days when there was little in the way of government regulation there was also little in the way of a middle class. It was government reform (along with other things like labor organization) that paved the way for a growing and strong middle class. These things operating within the frameword of "democarcy" enabled the middle class to organize and structure itself, and hence to grow, much the same as the corporate sector flourishes and grows. Remember, over time (100's of years) the country has changed into a largely industrial based economy/resources as opposed to an agriculturally based homespun resources.

From the things I have read I have yet to see Paul propose anything but a "free market will sort itself out" sort of plan. That unfortunately is not a viable plan. At least not a viable plan for anyone who depends on a job to pay his bills.

al2i

12-23-2007, 06:42 AM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2007,22:16)]From the things I have read I have yet to see Paul propose anything but a "free market will sort itself out" sort of plan. That unfortunately is not a viable plan. At least not a viable plan for anyone who depends on a job to pay his bills.
Central planning is the problem, not the solution.

Central planning has made more people miserable and impoverished more nations than any idea on this side of live human sacrifices, and you say you want a central plan!? Doh!

AE6IP

12-23-2007, 08:23 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 22 2007,21:29)]Here it is (as of a few weeks ago):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/twane217/Meet-UpGroupsCompared.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums....red.gif (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/twane217/Meet-UpGroupsCompared.gif)
'meetup groups' doesn't equal 'volunteers'.

keep looking. maybe you'll find some hard data before Paul loses the primaries.

KG4JYD

12-23-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 23 2007,01:23)]'meetup groups' doesn't equal 'volunteers'.
Actually yes it does.

By joining a Meetup group it means you are interested in volunteering.

KG4JYD

12-23-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2007,23:16)] What is he going to do for the middle class to assure they can successfully overcome t5he burdens under which they have fallen and rise once again to where they were in the past ?
What burdens?

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2007,23:16)]
1) If a person winds up in the hospital and is uninsured they can keep their home, not fall deep into perpetual debt, and not have to go without proper treatment ?Dealing with that issue is not the job of the federal government, it's the job of the States

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 22 2007,23:16)] These things operating within the frameword of "democarcy" enabled the middle class to organize and structure itself, and hence to grow, much the same as the corporate sector flourishes and grows.You do realize the United States are NOT a democracy, right?

AE6IP

12-23-2007, 10:05 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 23 2007,09:18)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 23 2007,01:23)]'meetup groups' doesn't equal 'volunteers'.
Actually yes it does.

By joining a Meetup group it means you are interested in volunteering.
But you can be a volunteer without joining a meetup group.

So no, it doesn't mean 'volunteer'.

And 'being interested in volunteering' is a far less than 'acted from that interest.'

It's far easier to get people to sign up than it is to get them to do anything.

AE6IP

12-23-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 23 2007,09:24)]You do realize the United States are NOT a democracy, right?
This has already been explained to you.

The United States is a democracy.

It is a representative democracy.

It is also a republic, but then, so is the People's Republic of China and Plato's Republic. All a republic is is a country without hereditary rulers.

You draw a false dichotomy.

KG4JYD

12-24-2007, 04:21 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 23 2007,15:08)]The United States is a democracy.
No because a democracy is mob rule where the majority can vote to violate your rights. Fortunately we don't have a democracy although unfortunately it seems to be moving that way.

N5ZAP

12-26-2007, 03:34 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 16 2007,12:25)]Quote[/b] (KA7RRA @ Dec. 16 2007,01:48)]Its time to have a 2007 tea party and vote against the republican party and the democratic party and put in a independent We are just going to have the same all over again
I vowed never to vote for either party again with the exception of someone like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is a different kind of Republican.
What, one with a heart and a brain? And sense? We need more of those Republicans. And before someone starts calling me a Lib (God, I feel like it's 1988 every time I hear that word) I'll confess to having voted for George twice!

I know, let's just say that I'm easily duped.

AE6IP

12-26-2007, 05:31 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 23 2007,21:21)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 23 2007,15:08)]The United States is a democracy.
No because a democracy is mob rule where the majority can vote to violate your rights. Fortunately we don't have a democracy although unfortunately it seems to be moving that way.
Alas, unfortunately, you have been taken in once again by sound bite rhetoric.

There are many kinds of democracies and the only kind in which mob rule is possible is a direct democracy without the rule of law.

The United States of America is, and has always been, a representational democracy. Your wishing it not so will not make it so.

It is, and has always been, a republic. Despite your misunderstanding, there is no dichotomy between democracy and republic. A republic is merely a country in which the selection of leadership is not by heredity. There is nothing particularly special about republics, and most of the countries on the planet are such.

You really should take a refresher class on civics. Your persistent repetition of errant claims about democracies and the powers of president does not reflect well upon your candidate.

KG4JYD

12-26-2007, 05:42 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 25 2007,22:31)]The United States of America is, and has always been, a representational democracy.

A few people would disagree with you:

- Ben Franklin called it a Republic

- The Constitution talks about a "republican form of government"

"Fisher Ames,:
[O]ur sages in the great [constitutional] convention... intended our government should be a republic which differs more widely from a democracy than a democracy from a despotism. The rigours of a despotism often... oppress only a few, but it is the very essence and nature of a democracy, for a faction claiming to oppress a minority, and that minority the chief owners of the property and truest lovers of their country."

John Adams:
"All good government is and must be republican. ... Whenever I use the word republic with approbation, I mean a government in which the people have collectively, or by representation, an essential share in the sovereignty..."

I could find more, but I don't have the time.

KG4JYD

12-26-2007, 05:48 AM

Quote[/b] (N5ZAP @ Dec. 25 2007,20:34)]We need more of those Republicans.
I can't do justice in describing him but just know that he advocates small and limited government, low or no taxes, States' rights, sound fiscal policy, a strict interpretation of the 2nd Amendment (and all others for that matter), etc.

But don't take my word for it! Do your own research.

Start at these locations first -

You can read his original writings here:
http://ronpaullibrary.org/

You can see his videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/ronpaul2008dotcom

You can read about him here:
http://lewrockwell.com/paul/

Official campaign site:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

AE6IP

12-26-2007, 06:01 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 25 2007,22:42)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 25 2007,22:31)]The United States of America is, and has always been, a representational democracy.

A few people would disagree with you:
Fisher Ames also wrote "A government by the passions of the multitude, or, no less correctly, according to the vices, and ambitions of their leaders is a democracy." He clearly had an unusual definition of the word democracy.

You persist in using an obsolete 18th century definition of "republic" and by doing so accomplish nothing beyond making it difficult for you to understand the 21st century.

KG4JYD

12-26-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Dec. 25 2007,23:01)]You persist in using an obsolete 18th century definition of "republic" and by doing so accomplish nothing beyond making it difficult for you to understand the 21st century.
It is not an obsolete definition, you just refuse to recognize it as valid.

Merriam Websters defines democracy:
" government by the people; especially : rule of the majority"

I am sorry but there is indeed an error in the Constitution. It was not written by "The People" it was written by the States. We do NOT live in a democracy (thankfully).

So the federal government is a creation of the States, not the People. Therefore the only thing democratic about our country is the way we elect our representatives.