1956 / 2006!

[w2amr]

Subject: Check out the differences in the scenarios from 1956 to 2006!

Scenario: Jack pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.

1956- Vice Principal comes over, takes a look at Jack's rifle, goes to his
car and gets his to show Jack.

2006 - School goes into lockdown, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and
never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized
students and teachers.



Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1956 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up best
friends. Nobody goes to jail, nobody arrested, nobody expelled.

2006 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge
them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.



Scenario: Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1956- Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by Principal. He sits
still in class.

2006 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. School gets
extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.



Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his father's car and his Dad gives him a
whipping.

1956 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college,
and becomes a successful businessman.

2006 - Billy's Dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care
and joins a gang. Billy's sister is told by state psychologist that she
remembers being abused herself and their Dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has
affair with psychologist.


Scenario: Mark gets a headache and takes some headache medicine to school.

1956 - Mark shares headache medicine with Principal out on the smoking dock.

2006 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car
searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario: Pedro fails high school English.

1956: Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.

2006: Pedro's cause is taken up by state democratic party. Newspaper
articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement
for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against state
school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core
curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living
because he can't speak English.


Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the 4th of July,
puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed..

1956 - Ants die.

2006 - BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic
terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers
confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed
to fly again.


Scenario: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He
is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary, hugs him to comfort him.

1956 - In a short time Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2006 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She
faces 3 years in State Prison

[KG4CGC]

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[N3ATS]

You don't have to go back to 1956, but 1986. All true stories I have experienced.

In Elementary school we had a kid that was a royal pain in the arse. (funny, "ares" comes up as an alternative to arse in spell check). He got paddled regularly.



When I was in Jr. High, one of my good friends brought his shotgun to school for a presentation on hobbies (I did fishing). He had to keep it in the office and only got it for the presentation, but they let him do it. He even had spent shells to demonstrate how to load the gun.

Another friend of mine, brought a 28 gauge shotgun to school to refinish it in shop class.



In High School a good friend of mine had to fight the new tough on campus. It was an Alpha male thing. After school they scrapped, while a huge crowd looked on. Someone yelled "cops!" and the my buddy pulled the other guy to his feet and they both ran away. They got along just fine after that.


Prescription meds were held at the office and the student could report there to get his/her meds when he/she needed them.

[n4sva]

All a product of the 'Great Society'

[kg6amw]

Times have changed. Back in the mid 1960's in my high school in Sacramento, it was not unusual to see a deer rifle or varmint gun hanging in the rack of the back window of some the pickup trucks in our parking lot. It was no big deal. Especially close to deer hunting season.

[W2JGA]

ATS, I agree! I was in elementary during the early 80's and seen all this go on. So much has changed in the last 20 years. Makes ya wonder what the next 10-20 is going to do.

W2AMR, I enjoyed your post! ROFLMAO!

[w3scm]

George, where did you get this from? I saw it published in "Backwoods Home" magazine some time in the last six months. Then as now, I was struck by the complete accuracy.

As recently as the early 90's, you could go through the school parking lot in Wyalusing, PA, during small game season or deer season, and see row after row of student and teacher pickups with 30-30's in the rear window. Sadly, the education industry being what it is, nowadays that would get you arrested and expelled just as quickly there as here in the People's Republic of Jersey.

I also remember being a bit of a wimp back in the 6th grade or so, and got picked on a lot. I had enough of it one fine day and fought 3 tough guys in a row and beat them all. We all ended up friends and I finally got some respect (and peace). There's no "settling things" any more. No wonder our kids turn out the way they do...:(

[w2amr]

Quote[/b] (w3scm @ Dec. 15 2007,10:31)]George, where did you get this from? #I saw it published in "Backwoods Home" magazine some time in the last six months. #Then as now, I was struck by the complete accuracy.
Somebody sent it to me in an E-mail

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Dec. 15 2007,08:19)]Times have changed. Back in the mid 1960's in my high school in Sacramento, it was not unusual to see a deer rifle or varmint gun hanging in the rack of the back window of some the pickup trucks in our parking lot. #It was no big deal. #Especially close to deer hunting season.
No big deal? Why, because everyone had one!

Bring corporate punishment back to the schools, with vengence!

[w3scm]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 14 2007,14:10)]Quote[/b] (kg6amw @ Dec. 15 2007,08:19)]Times have changed. Back in the mid 1960's in my high school in Sacramento, it was not unusual to see a deer rifle or varmint gun hanging in the rack of the back window of some the pickup trucks in our parking lot. #It was no big deal. #Especially close to deer hunting season.
No big deal? Why, because everyone had one!

Bring corporate punishment back to the schools, with vengence!
Corporate punishment? You mean Exxon-mobile?

Saluting you, corporal!

[K8MHZ]

I was just talking about this same thing with some friends of mine. I went to school in a rural district and it wasn't unusual to see a kid with a shotgun broke down and carried on his shoulder so he could refinish the stock in wood shop. We never had a single shot fired. If that happened today it would be on the news for a week.

But kids didn't shoot people back then. I don't recall even hearing about school shootings until I had been out for many years.

You can't blame the schools for taking measures to protect the kids in today's crazy society. I would hazard to bet that if a kid brought a gun to school today to have work done on it he would be swarmed with other kids that would dare him to shoot it or it would be stolen from him so that some deranged kid could shoot someone with it.

We have lost our innocence and I don't think there is any turning back.

The same goes for fighting in school, but I have some mixed emotions about the issue. To often school officials have looked the other way while a less physically fit kid gets repeatedly beat up by bullies and finally gets fed up with it enough to stab or shoot one of the bullies, often to death, and it has happened more than once. I place the blame on the school more than the kid that couldn't face getting beat up with no other recourse than to end the practice with deadly force. The scenario is usually the sports stars being the bullies and the 'fat kid' getting beat up and finally taking matters into his own hands.

I also have mixed emotions about teachers being able to strike kids in school. My fifth grade teacher took great delight in beating us with rulers and yardsticks. He was just out of the military and made all the boys do military drills during recess while the girls got to actually have recess. Mr. First had 'little man' syndrome. He wasn't much bigger than the kids in his class. Not a day went by that he didn't beat one of the boys in the class for the least of infractions. If one of us was caught out of our seat we would get beat with a yard stick once for every step it took to get back to our seat.

He had a 'beat first, ask questions later' approach. One day I got sick in school and felt like I was going to vomit and started toward the door to try to get to the bathroom. He grabbed me and started beating me with a yard stick. I left the room and went to the office. They called my mother and she picked me up from school. The incident caused Mr. First to get a little visit from my dad. My dad basically told him that if he ever laid a hand on me again he would beat him to a pulp. My dad was 6'4" tall and weighed about 265 lbs.

Needless to say, Mr. First never hit me again. That was also his last class as the complaints from our parents did him in. He is lucky our paths didn't cross a decade later when I grew from 85 lbs. in 5th grade to a 6'2", 190 lb. 21 year old with three years of martial arts to my credit.

If one of my kid's teachers ever hit her it would not be good for that teacher. We have never spanked our kid. Not once. She has never even been slapped. We do not condone physical violence. (This is something I have to give her mother credit for as I often got beat by my mother when I was growing up). The result has been a great kid. She does well in school, is active in her church, is a Tech that passed her Morse Code test at age 11, plays multiple musical instruments and is in both the marching band in her school and the concert band as well. She is very polite and well behaved and has better on air skills than the adults that get on the air. Her maturity and behavior have been praised by my adult friends many times over. (Her nickname is 'Koley', short for Nicole and her call sign is 'K0LEY'. I chose the name Nicole after Nikola Tesla and I do think he would be proud of me for it, at least I hope that is the case.)

Indeed, times have changed. But remember, in 20 years, these will be 'the good old days'.

[KD5HLG]

Even if you don't get arrested best not leave your rifle in your pick-up window.

If you do some illegal alien will destroy your truck breaking into it and steal everything in it

73's
KD5HLG
Ernest

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (KD5HLG @ Dec. 15 2007,10:34)]Even if you don't get arrested best not leave your rifle in your pick-up window.

If you do some illegal alien will destroy your truck breaking into it and steal everything in it

73's
KD5HLG
Ernest
If the local 'legals' don't beat him to it, which is far more likely. Most illegal immigrants are here to work, not steal. Unless you consider taking low paying jobs from us to be stealing, that is.

[W1GUH]

Society has gotten crazy. #But there was sexual abuse back in the 50's. #In my elementary school one of the male 5th-6th grade teachers was known for giving mis-behaving boys "the treatment." # Your first guess about what that "treatment" was is probably the correct one.

Then there was, I believe, the superintendent of schools, or one of his assistants who was busted on morals charges after being caught in a motel room with underage males.

Then there was the math teacher in my Jr. High school who liked to masturbate in class.

The Jr. High school and High School I went to were about 50-50 white/black, and relations were very tense. #Incidents weren't common, but when they happened they were ugly. #The time frame for all this is the late 50's to the mid-60's.

Quote[/b] ]All a product of the 'Great Society'

The trouble with that no-thought thought is this didn't really start until the 80's, after LBJ was long since dead. #I'd say it's a product of the country heading in one direction pre-1981, and then making a very radical lurch in the other direction post-1981. #Pre 1981, there were good reasons for disadvantaged people to have expectations that things were changing for the better. #Post-1981 those hopes were brutally dashed into the ground.

But I have a feeling that it wasn't really overt politics, or if it was it had an underlying cause that hasn't been mentioned...like that 300 pound gorilla in the room. #The US found out that it was no longer the wealthy land of plenty that it had been. #We ran out of a lot of the resources that had made us so wealthy. #So the pie got smaller, and those who were in a position to do so grabbed for all they could, and others have wound up working at McDonald's and Wally Mart.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (w3scm @ Dec. 15 2007,10:31)]George, where did you get this from? #I saw it published in "Backwoods Home" magazine some time in the last six months. #Then as now, I was struck by the complete accuracy.

As recently as the early 90's, you could go through the school parking lot in Wyalusing, PA, during small game season or deer season, and see row after row of student and teacher pickups with 30-30's in the rear window. #Sadly, the education industry being what it is, nowadays that would get you arrested and expelled just as quickly there as here in the People's Republic of Jersey.

I also remember being a bit of a wimp back in the 6th grade or so, and got picked on a lot. #I had enough of it one fine day and fought 3 tough guys in a row and beat them all. #We all ended up friends and I finally got some respect (and peace). #There's no "settling things" any more. #No wonder our kids turn out the way they do...:(
I know the experience. I went to a downright rough and dangerous school, Some city schools were bad. The school I went to was not only bad it was mean. Downright cruel it was..

The first or second day of school I got brutally beaten to a pulp. Why ? Because my hair was too long and the gang that beat me told me that until I got a short haircut and started doing things their way I could expect to be beaten worst next time because they don't like "worthless long haired hippie fags". But I neither cut my hair nor got beat up. Because I learned to latch onto my own gang for protection. The rule of law in that school was, you cover yourself or you're going down. And they weren't kidding. There were kids who got beat so bad they were put in the hospital. Several kids were stabbed and one kid was shot. Happiness in my school came in small wax paper bags with white powder inside. Hard drugs and hard liquor were everywhere in that school. Everyone flirted with coke or dope at some time or another. One of the dealers was a rather attractive redheaded girl. If ever she asked you to meet her after school and get high with her you obliged her. The rule was if you don't want to get beat up you don't refuse her when she asks you to get high because it was considered disrespecting of her to refuse her. Those weren't her rules. Those rules were made for her by the dudes who protected her.

One day I was getting ready to leave school. I had just walked outside the building. Some tough looking dude shortstoppped me outside. He told me he wanted some money to buy some coke. I told him to go f&^k. off. He pulled out a knife and told me he was going to cut me if I didn't give him the money. He wasn't joking. I just wound up as hard as I could, closed my eyes and planted my fist as hard as I could into his face. He was stunned and he fell back. I ran the heck out of there. I was sure that he'd be waiting to kill me the next day. I had several of my friends watching out for me. The guy never showed his face. Then a week later someone burned down my locker. That was the retaliation I got for not giving the guy the money.

Surprisingly amidst all this negativity, drugs, barbaric cruelty and brutality I managed to maintain a good academic average, particularly in my junior and senior year and I was even accepted to a few excellent colleges. It was not a good learning environment at all.

[ke6jjr]

That was fun! They left one out, so I'll add it:

1956: Leon, son of a poor sharecropper, enrolls in his State University. The Governor calls in the National Guard, the Police and the KKK. Several people are beaten and shot. Leon goes back to sharecropping and dies from alcoholism in 1970.

2006: Leon enrolls in college. He gets his degree in computer science, starts his own company and becomes highly a successful businessman.

Not everything about the '50s was wonderful!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (ke6jjr @ Dec. 18 2007,00:48)]That was fun! #They left one out, so I'll add it:

# # 1956: #Leon, son of a poor sharecropper, enrolls in his State University. #The Governor calls in the National Guard, the Police and the KKK. #Several people are beaten and shot. #Leon goes back to sharecropping and dies from alcoholism in 1970.

# # 2006: #Leon enrolls in college. #He gets his degree in computer science, starts his own company and becomes highly a successful businessman.

# # #Not everything about the '50s was wonderful!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
You too left something out ->

Quote[/b] ]
# # 2006: #Leon enrolls in college. #He gets his degree in computer science, starts his own company and becomes highly a successful businessman.


2007: Leon works hard and develops a successful software product designed out of his hard work, knowledge and motivation. A few months after it's release he gets a letter from a comany called "Intellectual property Rights Innovators"... a vulture company of IP lawyers who's sole business is filing law suits and gaining out of court settlements. They inform Leon that the clickable interface that he designed is patented by Microsoft and he must pay huge royalties for every copy sold. Unable to compete with the deep pockets of this legal team he concedes, turns the product over to Microsoft, closes down his business and goes to work for somebody else. He learns a valuable lesson. It's not about what you know, it's about being able to afford a powerful legal team.

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[ke6jjr]

2007: Leon works hard and develops a successful software product designed out of his hard work, knowledge and motivation. #A few months after it's release he gets a letter from a comany called "Intellectual property Rights Innovators"... a vulture company of IP lawyers who's sole business is filing law suits and gaining out of court settlements. They inform Leon that the clickable interface that he designed is patented by Microsoft and he must pay huge royalties for every copy sold. Unable to compete with the deep pockets of this legal team he concedes, turns the product over to Microsoft, closes down his business and goes to work for somebody else. He learns a valuable lesson. It's not about what you know, it's about being able to afford a powerful legal team.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # That was way out in left field!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif