Huckabee Lied About His Degree

[KG4JYD]

Huckabee's theology degree?
Now says ain't necessarily so


Campaign admits candidate doesn't have claimed religious credential


Posted: December 14, 2007
7:20 p.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told the Christian Broadcasting Network he had a theology degree, he told voters in Iowa he had a theology degree, he repeated the claim in last month's CNN YouTube debate ... but, his campaign now says, it was not true.

Huckabee's claim began unraveling following his offhanded comment about Mormonism in a New York Times interview last weekend.

Reporter Zev Chafets wrote: "I asked Huckabee, who describes himself as the only Republican candidate with a degree in theology, if he considered Mormonism a cult or a religion. 'I think it's a religion,' he said. 'I really don't know much about it.'

"I was about to jot down this piece of boilerplate when Huckabee surprised me with a question of his own: 'Don't Mormons,' he asked in an innocent voice, 'believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?'"

In the interview, Huckabee's account of his education made no mention of his having earned a theology degree.

Chafets wrote: "If young Mike Huckabee was ever rebellious or difficult, there's no record of it. He preached his first sermon as a teenager, married his high-school sweetheart and went off to Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelphia. There he majored in speech and communications, worked at a radio station and earned his B.A. in a little more than two years. He spent a year at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Tex., before dropping out to work for the televangelist James Robison, who bought him his first decent wardrobe and showed him how to use television."

While Huckabee apologized personally to fellow candidate and Mormon Mitt Romney for his remarks, Chafets' characterization of the former Arkansas governor and ordained Baptist pastor as a seminary dropout who did not seem well-versed in comparative religion, drew the attention of political bloggers.

National Review's Jim Geraghty cited Huckabee's claimed theology degree when criticizing the candidate for telling CNN's Wolf Blitzer he had been trying to avoid talking about the subject with Chafets but the reporter was "comparably well-schooled on comparative religions."

"I'm going to call horsepuckey on Huckabee's claim that a New York Times reporter knew more about comparative religions than [a] guy with a theology degree," Geraghty wrote.

That prompted Joe Carter, Huckabee's research director, to respond to Geraghty by e-mail.

Jim,

Governor Huckabee doesn't have a theology degree. He only spent a year in seminary.

Also, it's not surprising that he doesn't know much about the specific beliefs of the LDS church. There aren't a lot of LDS members in Arkansas; they comprise just .007 percent [sic] of the population (about 20,000 out of 2,810,872 people). Most Southern evangelicals don't have much exposure to that particular religion. Even in seminary you're not likely to study the LDS faith unless you take a class on apologetics.

Joe

Carter made a math error – 0.7 percent of Arkansas' residents are members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints.

Today, following a news conference announcing that former Reagan confidante, Ed Rollins, has become Huckabee's national campaign manager, the candidate was asked about a PowerlineBlog story that he did not have the theology degree he had claimed.

"I have a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work," Huckabee answered. "And then I have 46 hours on a master's degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion."

Speaking in Iowa in October, Huckabee told a sympathetic crowd, "Anytime you have been a person who was identified as a pastor and you've got a seminary education and theology degree, people tend to worry about you."

In November, while appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Huckabee said, "People look at my record and say that I'm as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I'm stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It's a theocratic war. And I don't know if anybody fully understands that. I'm the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us."

Last month, during the CNN YouTube debate, Huckabee responded to a question to the candidates about their belief in the Bible: "Sure. I believe the Bible is exactly what it is. It's the word of revelation to us from God himself. ... And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don't fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small."


Relevant links:
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222#
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post....zUyOTQ= (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzE0NWI3NzE5N2VkNGQ2YmZlMTFjN2ZlOWVmNzUyOTQ=)
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2007/12/019282.php

[n2ize]

Typical politician blowing the hot air and BS.

[KA8DKT]

Huckabee admits there are different gods for different people:
Quote[/b] ]And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don't fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small."
You know, lying about a degree on your resume will get you fired from a job. #So I guess he's fired from the job of Presidential candidate.

But on the other hand, he's now been shown to be a liar, so he should fit into today's Presidency just fine.

-gary

[kc7jty]

"Huck doesn't have a degree in theology"
Does this make one bit of difference for that GDBOS? The mind less peanuts are either going to take to him or they won't. Doesn't matter how much waste is smeared all over him, it's charisma baby, that's what's gonna do it.

[NL7W]

He has a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications, plus another 46 hours in continuing religious studies.

Please tell me the difference between a degree in theology and one in religion?

What's the difference you're so concerned and have your panties in a knot about?

I don't understand... please enlighten me on the differences and the bald face lies being purveyed.

Thanks.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 14 2007,02:20)]He has a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications, plus another 46 hours in continuing religious studies.

Please tell me the difference between a degree in theology and one in religion?

What's the difference you're so concerned and have your panties in a knot about?

I don't understand... please enlighten me on the differences and the bald face lies being purveyed.

Thanks.
I'm no expert, but from what I've read it's equivalent to a paralegal with a bachelor's degree claiming to have a "law degree."

In other words, a degree in theology is presumed to be a graduate degree.

I don't know for sure.

Wikipedia says something else a bit different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Theology

But a degree in religion may not require the greek/latin studies that Wikipedia claims are typical for a degree in theology.

Perhaps it's like the difference between a degree in engineering and a degree in engineering technology?

[n2ize]

Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 14 2007,04:42)]Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.
Yes, and in regards to the difference between a theology degree and a degree in religion, you'd think that someone who has a degre in religion AND has worked on a theology degree WOULD know the difference.

[K3XR]

I think you got it right, Ann.

http://hotair.com/archive....print=1 (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/12/14/coulter-huckabee-is-the-republican-jimmy-carter/?print=1)

[KG4JYD]

This is going to prove to be interesting in the next few days

[NL7W]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,02:42)]Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.
Please, point out where and when he said he, his staff, or webesite says he has a theology degree. Otherwise, I could see where the media could confuse the a religion and theology degree.

Show your proof...

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 15 2007,15:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,02:42)]Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.
Please, point out where and when he said he, his staff, or webesite says he has a theology degree. #Otherwise, I could see where the media could confuse the a religion and theology degree.

Show your proof...
Did you read the article posted at the beginning of the thread ? It was right there. Here it is quoted below


In November, while appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Huckabee said, "People look at my record and say that I'm as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I'm stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It's a theocratic war. And I don't know if anybody fully understands that. I'm the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us."

Last month, during the CNN YouTube debate, Huckabee responded to a question to the candidates about their belief in the Bible: "Sure. I believe the Bible is exactly what it is. It's the word of revelation to us from God himself. ... And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don't fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small."


And, you can read it here at one of K3XR's favorite sites

Worldnetdaily Link (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222)

Or, simply enter into Google "Huckabee Theology degree",

[NL7W]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,20:17)]Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 15 2007,15:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,02:42)]Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.
Please, point out where and when he said he, his staff, or webesite says he has a theology degree. Otherwise, I could see where the media could confuse the a religion and theology degree.

Show your proof...
Did you read the article posted at the beginning of the thread ? It was right there. Here it is quoted below


In November, while appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Huckabee said, "People look at my record and say that I'm as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I'm stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It's a theocratic war. And I don't know if anybody fully understands that. I'm the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us."

Last month, during the CNN YouTube debate, Huckabee responded to a question to the candidates about their belief in the Bible: "Sure. I believe the Bible is exactly what it is. It's the word of revelation to us from God himself. ... And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don't fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small."


And, you can read it here at one of K3XR's favorite sites

Worldnetdaily Link (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222)

Or, simply enter into Google "Huckabee Theology degree",
Now, what exactly is the difference between a degree in religion and a theology degree? Is one a bachelors while the other is a Masters, or can you get a bachelors in religion and other in theology?

Who knows these things?

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 15 2007,00:04)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,20:17)]Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 15 2007,15:15)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 15 2007,02:42)]Of course the bald faced lie part would be publically claiming he has a theology degree when he does not.
Please, point out where and when he said he, his staff, or webesite says he has a theology degree. #Otherwise, I could see where the media could confuse the a religion and theology degree.

Show your proof...
Did you read the article posted at the beginning of the thread ? It was right there. Here it is quoted below


In November, while appearing on the Christian Broadcasting Network, Huckabee said, "People look at my record and say that I'm as strong on immigration, strong on terror as anybody. In fact I think I'm stronger than most people because I truly understand the nature of the war that we are in with Islamofascism. These are people that want to kill us. It's a theocratic war. And I don't know if anybody fully understands that. I'm the only guy on that stage with a theology degree. I think I understand it really well. And know the threat of it is absolutely overwhelming to us."

Last month, during the CNN YouTube debate, Huckabee responded to a question to the candidates about their belief in the Bible: "Sure. I believe the Bible is exactly what it is. It's the word of revelation to us from God himself. ... And as the only person here on the stage with a theology degree, there are parts of it I don't fully comprehend and understand, because the Bible is a revelation of an infinite god, and no finite person is ever going to fully understand it. If they do, their god is too small."


And, you can read it here at one of K3XR's favorite sites

Worldnetdaily Link (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59222)

Or, simply enter into Google "Huckabee Theology degree",
Now, what exactly is the difference between a degree in religion and a theology degree? #Is one a bachelors while the other is a Masters, or can you get a bachelors in religion and other in theology?

Who knows these things?
Well, I don't know for sure. BUT! Huckabee has one, and has 46 credit hours towards the other, so, you would think that he DOES know the difference and ought not to misrepresent what he has and what he does not have.

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 15 2007,03:14)]"Huck doesn't have a degree in theology"
Does this make one bit of difference for that GDBOS? The mind less peanuts are either going to take to him or they won't. Doesn't matter how much waste is smeared all over him, it's charisma baby, that's what's gonna do it.
No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.

-gary

[n6hcm]

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Dec. 16 2007,03:05)]No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.
you mean that worldnet daily is wrong about this?

Quote[/b] ]He preached his first sermon as a teenager, married his high-school sweetheart and went off to Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelphia. There he majored in speech and communications, worked at a radio station and earned his B.A. in a little more than two years. He spent a year at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Tex., before dropping out to work for the televangelist James Robison, who bought him his first decent wardrobe and showed him how to use television."

according to this there is no bachelor's in bible studies involved here ... a degree in "bible studies" isn't (imnsho) anything like a degree in theology anyway--a theology degree would represent a broader study.

a degree in religion wouldn't be equivalent to a theology degree either--religion is limited to the manmade institutions of faith.

i'm not aware of any undergraduate institution in the u.s. which offers a bachelor's degree in theology (either a b.a. in theology or a b.th.) ... mcgill university offers a b.th. in canada.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Dec. 15 2007,04:05)]Quote[/b] (kc7jty @ Dec. 15 2007,03:14)]"Huck doesn't have a degree in theology"
Does this make one bit of difference for that GDBOS? The mind less peanuts are either going to take to him or they won't. Doesn't matter how much waste is smeared all over him, it's charisma baby, that's what's gonna do it.
No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. #Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.

-gary
Easier than a degree in speech and communications? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Dec. 16 2007,03:05)]No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.
You obviously have never taken any marketing courses http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 15 2007,13:27)]Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Dec. 16 2007,03:05)]No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. #Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.
You obviously have never taken any marketing courses #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A friend of mine seemed to think that education courses were on the "A list" of easy courses to take. He said that he took them when he needed a rest. He was a math major, so, perhaps his scale was skewed.

[ab8ro]

Quote[/b] (n6hcm @ Dec. 15 2007,04:24)]Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Dec. 16 2007,03:05)]No, actually it is a BA in Bible Studies. Probably the easiest degree in the world to earn.
you mean that worldnet daily is wrong about this?

Quote[/b] ]He preached his first sermon as a teenager, married his high-school sweetheart and went off to Ouachita Baptist University in Arkadelphia. There he majored in speech and communications, worked at a radio station and earned his B.A. in a little more than two years. He spent a year at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Tex., before dropping out to work for the televangelist James Robison, who bought him his first decent wardrobe and showed him how to use television."

according to this there is no bachelor's in bible studies involved here ... a degree in "bible studies" isn't (imnsho) anything like a degree in theology anyway--a theology degree would represent a broader study.

a degree in religion wouldn't be equivalent to a theology degree either--religion is limited to the manmade institutions of faith.

i'm not aware of any undergraduate institution in the u.s. which offers a bachelor's degree in theology (either a b.a. in theology or a b.th.) ... mcgill university offers a b.th. in canada.
In Huckabee's own words.

Quote[/b] ]
"I have a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work," Huckabee answered. "And then I have 46 hours on a master's degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion."


So it's

[KD6NIG]

After reading all of this, I'm confident in one thing:

All politicians have one degree:

A BS in BS.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Dec. 24 2007,11:29)]All politicians have one degree:

A BS in BS.
You should listen to Ron Paul. He would disprove your theory.

[AE6IP]

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Dec. 25 2007,16:05)]Quote[/b] (KD6NIG @ Dec. 24 2007,11:29)]All politicians have one degree:

A BS in BS.
You should listen to Ron Paul. He would disprove your theory.
Indeed. The good doctor demonstrates that a vivid imagination and a lack of comprehension can go a long way, well, 'long', at last, by the standards of the fringe.

[wa6ccw]

Go Mitt!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[N3ATS]

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Dec. 25 2007,19:16)]Go Mitt!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” -- Mitt Romney

Quote[/b] ]"I don't line up with the NRA.".... "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." -- Mitt Romney

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Dec. 25 2007,17:16)]Go Mitt!
Why are you voting for Mitt?

[n6hcm]

Quote[/b] (ab8ro @ Dec. 24 2007,11:01)]"I have a Bachelor of Arts in religion and a minor in communications in my undergraduate work," Huckabee answered. "And then I have 46 hours on a master's degree at Southwestern Theology Seminary. So, my degree as a theological degree is at the college level and then 46 hours toward a masters – three years of study of New Testament Greek, and then the rest of it, all in seminary was theological studies, but my degree was actually in religion."


So it's[/QUOTE]
that's nice. so who's right?

[K3XR]

Ann has the Huskster figured out.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=59386 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59386)

[W2ILP]

Once one accepts the notion that religious leaders are chosen to be leaders by God, there is no argument that infers that they need to obtain any man made credentials. Who knows maybe some humans may claim that they were intelligently designed to be apolitical.

Hams may answer the calls from other hams or may reply to a general call (CQ) but reverends and preachers may say that they are answering the call of the All Mighty. Since we can't prove that there is no God how can we prove that God did not call on political leaders be they be Bush or Huckabee?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif...and how can we determine what theological studies that might lead to a degree might be more applicable than a vision of a virtuous visitation might confer on a reverent reining recipient?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

w2ilp (I Like Politicians)...who can't blame their God for their human errors....or fear that their God will blame them more than a federal prosecutor might.

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Dec. 27 2007,21:36)]Once one accepts the notion that religious leaders are chosen to be leaders by God, there is no argument that infers that they need to obtain any man made credentials. Who knows maybe some humans may claim that they were intelligently designed to be apolitical.
I think the conservative Christians bought into that with GW, but I don't see it happening twice.

[W2ILP]

kg4jyd

It happened twice in the case of GWB. The first time it happened many folks could actualy believe that it was an act of God rather than a improbable coincidence of lost chads, unpopular votes, the electorial college of Florida and the Supreme Court!

w2ilp (Impossiblly Popular President)...was elected by devinity that resided in gerrymanded vicinity!

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 25 2007,16:34)]Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Dec. 25 2007,19:16)]Go Mitt!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” -- Mitt Romney

Quote[/b] ]"I don't line up with the NRA.".... "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." -- Mitt Romney
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Huckabee on taxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDKZK6noSA)

[NL7W]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 28 2007,02:01)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 25 2007,16:34)]Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Dec. 25 2007,19:16)]Go Mitt!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” -- Mitt Romney

Quote[/b] ]"I don't line up with the NRA.".... "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." -- Mitt Romney
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Huckabee on taxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDKZK6noSA)
And what was the greater context surrounding that tax increase sound bite? Let's go there now...

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (W2ILP @ Dec. 28 2007,00:30)]It happened twice in the case of GWB. The first time it happened many folks could actualy believe that it was an act of God rather than a improbable coincidence of lost chads, unpopular votes, the electorial college of Florida and the Supreme Court!
Yes, but most conservative Christians now realize they have been duped by a Rockefeller Republican in Texas clothing.

Also Huck is soft on illegal immigration and wants amnesty which won't fly in the GOP at this point in time.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Dec. 28 2007,02:56)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 28 2007,02:01)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Dec. 25 2007,16:34)]Quote[/b] (wa6ccw @ Dec. 25 2007,19:16)]Go Mitt!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] ]“Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony with legislators, sportsmen’s groups and gun safety advocates. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” -- Mitt Romney

Quote[/b] ]"I don't line up with the NRA.".... "We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them." -- Mitt Romney
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Huckabee on taxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyDKZK6noSA)
And what was the greater context surrounding that tax increase sound bite? Let's go there now...
Here you go, let the Huckster speak for himself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZw2r4REmJQ)

[ve2nsm]

It's frightening to see how much US politics gets entangled with religion... and it's getting worse as time passes.

Am I the only one who's afraid? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[KG4JYD]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Dec. 28 2007,10:51)]Am I the only one who's afraid? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
No - vote for Ron Paul http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif