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Heard two stations in QSO, one in Florida (N4) and the other in London Ontario Canada (VE). A DX station in South America broke in and made contact (YV call). Right after the DX station signed, another station from 5-land (KE5) tried to call the YV station. The other two guys said they were in QSO and the KE5 station asked if they would mind if he worked "the London, England station". ROFLMAO!
They told him the other station was in South America and the station in QSO was in London Ontario. The KE5 asked what part of England that was in to which he was told Ontario is in Canada, not England. He thanked them, said his handle was "Dave" and he was clear on their final.
Looked him up. Yep, a recent tech upgrade. The main lesson to new upgrades is to have a list of calls and the countries associated on hand before you call, and to study the world map and learn more about geography. Both will help you be more successful in working the DX you want. Also, please use plain english and can the CB lingo.
This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
KU0DM
12-05-2007, 01:39 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,06:18)]A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...
Topeka Kansas
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N8CPA
12-05-2007, 02:01 PM
It isn't limited to geography. I hear 'went' used in cases where 'gone' should be. Lost is the distinction when to use 'number' and 'amount;' 'fewer' and 'less.'
How can you expect people who can't get the lay of language to get the lay of the land; especially when any type of correction is now considered mean spirited?
And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
kf4vgx
12-05-2007, 02:26 PM
The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
KA4DPO
12-05-2007, 02:28 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,09:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
Pip pip old boy. Now about that Canadian station in England... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ab8ma
12-05-2007, 02:42 PM
After moving to Michigan in 1974, I was once asked where I was from. I answered that I came from Vermont.
"What state is that in?"
Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Dec. 05 2007,07:42)]After moving to Michigan in 1974, I was once asked where I was from. I answered that I came from Vermont.
"What state is that in?"
The State of Confusion, of course...
A lot of folks barely know there are 50 states, and can't point to most countries on a globe. So?
I'm sure a lot of new hams were very confused when they first got on the air. If you haven't been exposed to DX, so what? I remember my novice days - I visited a friends house and worked my first DX on 15M...a 9Q5...had no idea in the world where 9Q5 was (this in the 1960s)......nor even after I looked up the country name from the prefix, had any idea exactly where it was.
I'd bet a lot of DXers likely know the name and general location of nearly all DXCC entities, but couldn't tell you the name of the leader of the country (King, President, Prime Minister, form of government) or the primary language spoken in the country. So?
One of the things about ham radio is it often inspires people to learn some geography, to actually talk to people in foreign countries. That is getting harder and harder to do with everyone just wanting a 'signal report' and a QSL card and nothing else, but I did enjoy a lot of rag chews with DX stations on 10M and 15M when conditions were good. And learned a lot of geography I wouldn't have been inspired to learn about smaller countries around the world.
Rather than bashing this guy, the folks should have been gently Elmering him into the ranks of ham radio.
K7JEM
12-05-2007, 02:58 PM
Charlie only starts a thread if it is to berate new hams, or engage in some code/no code rhetoric, check it out.
As such, this is perfectly in tune with his MO. Just like another ham who mostly posts things against winlink, or others that post links to CB or illegal amps or radios.
This is just the way some people are, nothing more than that.
Joe
N8CPA
12-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,10:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
According to urban legend, we almost spoke German--at least, Congress.
Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,07:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
The ony "ridicule" is for the mentality that carries over CB slang to AR. They view AR as an expansion of their CB knowledge and here it is legal to talk skip. I encourage the proper view that they are entering a NEW service with differences from CB. As such they should learn the proper way to talk on the air (sans CBisms), and that DX here isn't a "sin" they must blunder through quickly, but more of an art.
So I earnestly hope any new upgrade or Ham will not get their panties in a bunch by this, stop, and take inventory of they way they operate. They should also know that people are listening to them. Do they want to be Amateurs or CBers?
Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Dec. 05 2007,07:58)]Charlie only starts a thread if it is to berate new hams, or engage in some code/no code rhetoric, check it out.
Many goats in his barn, Joe. Unfortunately, he keeps adding more...
W3MIV
12-05-2007, 03:04 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
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Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
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Which state has no Capitol?
W5HTW
12-05-2007, 03:21 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
The New Revoluntary War is going to result in us all speaking Spanish.
Ed
N8CPA
12-05-2007, 03:24 PM
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,11:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
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Yes! And I am in this state: Little capital between me and penury. Why? Because of the Capitol! Dem damn Dems!
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 05 2007,08:21)]Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
The New Revoluntary War is going to result in us all speaking Spanish.
Ed
The good news is that the KE5 station I spoke about will think we're all DX. Breaka-broke.
N8CPA
12-05-2007, 03:35 PM
Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 05 2007,11:21)]Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
The New Revoluntary War is going to result in us all speaking Spanish.
Ed
No vez, Joses!
Aun que yo hablo espanol, vivo en EEUU. Y la lengua aqui es ingles. Cuando estoy en paises hispanohablantes, hablo espanol. Si ellos visitan o se quedan en mi pais, es solo cortes hablar ingles.
Por supuesto, bien venido a EEUU. YA APRENDAN INGLES!
Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
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How right you are. Darned spel-chekr is broken... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
ab8ma
12-05-2007, 03:51 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,15:10)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
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Which state has no Capitol?
new jersey
kf4vgx
12-05-2007, 03:58 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Dec. 04 2007,09:35)]Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Dec. 05 2007,11:21)]Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
The New Revoluntary War is going to result in us all speaking Spanish.
Ed
No vez, Joses!
Aun que yo hablo espanol, vivo en EEUU. #Y la lengua aqui es ingles. #Cuando estoy en paises hispanohablantes, hablo espanol. #Si ellos visitan o se quedan en mi pais, es solo cortes hablar ingles.
Por supuesto, bien venido a EEUU. YA APRENDAN INGLES!
WHAT HE SAY http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif.
Eds right http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . Mexico USA is here ! learn to speak the lingo.
Sorry Charlie ,still reads to be hypocritical of our newer amateurs. If you want to educate them don't embarrass them.
"Handle , clear after your final"
I've heard the same slang comments made by amateurs in their sixties and seventies ,guess they came from CB to http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif. However at that age I don't think their willing to change their way of speech/slang on amateur radio.
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kl7aj
12-05-2007, 04:03 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,06:08)]Heard two stations in QSO, one in Florida (N4) and the other in London Ontario Canada (VE). A DX station in South America broke in and made contact (YV call). Right after the DX station signed, another station from 5-land (KE5) tried to call the YV station. #The other two guys said they were in QSO and the KE5 station asked if they would mind if he worked "the London, England station". #ROFLMAO!
They told him the other station was in South America and the station in QSO was in London Ontario. #The KE5 asked what part of England that was in to which he was told Ontario is in Canada, not England. #He thanked them, said his handle was "Dave" and he was clear on their final.
Looked him up. #Yep, a recent tech upgrade. The main lesson to new upgrades is to have a list of calls and the countries associated on hand before you call, and to study the world map and learn more about geography. #Both will help you be more successful in working the DX you want. #Also, please use plain english and can the CB lingo.
From the Opus......Chapter 14 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
.......You need a wall map of the world. Your local Universitys professor of basketry may not know where the continent of Africa is, but you should. And if you have a map, you can point it out to him when he comes to visit. You need to start poking tacks into this wall map of places youve worked as soon as you get your license. It should look like a porcupine in a few months.
One clever alternative to the wall map is a globe, as it helps you remember that the Earth is not actually flat. Some enterprising hams have actually connected such globes to their antenna rotator controllers, so they rotate along with their directional antennas. This is a useful and attractive accessory to any ham shack, but perhaps a bit over-the-top for many beginners.
The bottom line: You should know where you are and when you are.
kl7aj
12-05-2007, 04:07 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
Actually we came VERY VERY close to having German as our national language....well, actually, Pennsylvania Dutch. They were far more organized and cohesive than any other ethnic group at the time of the Constitution's creation.
eric
Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Dec. 05 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,15:10)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Which state has no Capitol?
new jersey
Cool. Guess they work out of the back of a black van with the vanity plate "Vinny".
K7JEM
12-05-2007, 05:18 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,09:31)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Dec. 05 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,15:10)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Which state has no Capitol?
new jersey
Cool. Guess they work out of the back of a black van with the vanity plate "Vinny".
http://www.gilesbowkett.com/images/tony_soprano_close_up.jpg
"You got a problem wit dat?"
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ Dec. 05 2007,10:03)]From the Opus......Chapter 14 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
.......You need a wall map of the world. Your local Universitys professor of basketry may not know where the continent of Africa is, but you should. //SNIP//
Africa?? What's the "capitol" of it?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
ai4ep
12-05-2007, 05:31 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Is this just another " 3930 " thread in disguise ?
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 05 2007,10:31)]Is this just another " 3930 " thread in disguise ?
Could be. That, or a 3955 thread...
Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,08:58)]# # # # #
# # # # # "Handle , clear after your final"
I've heard the same slang comments made by amateurs in their sixties and seventies ,guess they came from CB to #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif. However at that age I don't think their willing to change their way of speech/slang on amateur radio.
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Yep, even in the early Sixties both were very common when AM was predominant. #Maybe an "AM" thing but certainly not invented by the CB folks.
Quote[/b] (N3JI @ Dec. 05 2007,10:23)]Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ Dec. 05 2007,10:03)]From the Opus......Chapter 14 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
.......You need a wall map of the world. Your local Universitys professor of basketry may not know where the continent of Africa is, but you should. //SNIP//
Africa?? What's the "capitol" of it?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A grass hut in the jungle near an area called "clik kikk clikk ikkkk nik"
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 05 2007,10:31)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Is this just another " 3930 " thread in disguise ?
Naw, this happened in the DX window by an "Extra" (so to speak).
KI4NGN
12-05-2007, 06:00 PM
I read the results of a poll published in the late 80's or early 90's citing that the majority of highschool graduates could not find the USA on a globe that was not annotated.
Hmmm.... they'd all be in or approaching their 20's now.
There's always much discussion about the "dumbing down" of the amateur radio exams. How about the public attitude that has reduced our educational system down to the lowest common denominator?!?!
Has anyone seen the movie "Idiocracy"? It's a riot, and I'm afraid quite potentially prophetic! An excerpt about the movie:
"the overeducated start having fewer children while the undereducated have more.
Enter Joe, a military librarian with no family and even less ambition. The Pentagon chooses him for a top-secret hibernation project due to his extreme "average-ness." They select Rita, a prostitute, for the same reason. When the experiment goes haywire, the two emerge 500 years later--rather than one. Now it's 2505 and they're the brightest people in the over-polluted land. Everyone else is, basically, Beavis and Butt-head."
Mike
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,11:53)]Quote[/b] (N3JI @ Dec. 05 2007,10:23)]Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ Dec. 05 2007,10:03)]From the Opus......Chapter 14 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
.......You need a wall map of the world. Your local Universitys professor of basketry may not know where the continent of Africa is, but you should. //SNIP//
Africa?? What's the "capitol" of it?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
A grass hut in the jungle near an area called "clik kikk clikk ikkkk nik"
You sure it's not in Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakit anatahu??
Oh wait, that's in New Zealand. Totally different hemisphere...
KA4DPO
12-05-2007, 07:25 PM
For all you 6 landers..
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wa8rti
12-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
The point is that ignorance has nothing to do with being a newly upgraded ham and everything to do with being ignorant of world geography. Putting a mike in such a person's hands only broadcasts their ignorance to a wider audience. There is no excuse for such geographic stupidity when every day the news shows maps of news locations. Paying a little attention would soon bring an end to their knowledge shortfall. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (kl7aj @ Dec. 05 2007,11:07)]Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,07:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
Actually we came VERY VERY close to having German as our national language....well, actually, Pennsylvania Dutch. #They were far more organized and cohesive than any other ethnic group at the time of the Constitution's creation.
eric
You're darn right, and we'd ALL be better off if you'd just let us have our way! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
N8CPA
12-05-2007, 09:25 PM
Quote[/b] (N3JI @ Dec. 05 2007,14:03)]Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakit anatahu??
Translation of Maori: Pee on your own side of the river and downstream from me.
kf4vgx
12-05-2007, 11:23 PM
Quote[/b] (wa8rti @ Dec. 04 2007,14:30)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
The point is that ignorance has nothing to do with being a newly upgraded ham and everything to do with being ignorant of world geography. Putting a mike in such a person's hands only broadcasts their ignorance to a wider audience. There is no excuse for such geographic stupidity when every day the news shows maps of news locations. Paying a little attention would soon bring an end to their knowledge shortfall. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The point "IS" working with new amateurs with out ridiculing or degrading them on or off the air, makes a better amateur in the long run.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
By the way its " Mic " not Mike.
I don't think I want a Mike in my hands http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .
W0LPQ
12-05-2007, 11:48 PM
4VGX ... Mic/Mike has been around long before I came into this venture 45 years ago.
WE4AU
12-06-2007, 12:28 AM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,09:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
Scott NĜIU
Brings to mind G. B. Shaw's famous line:
"England and America are two countries separated by a common language."
Regards,
-Bruce
KD0BQM
12-06-2007, 01:34 AM
Quote[/b] ]Actually we came VERY VERY close to having German as our national language....well, actually, Pennsylvania Dutch.
Pennsylvania Deutch = German
w3dub
12-06-2007, 03:24 AM
Quote[/b] (KD0BQM @ Dec. 05 2007,21:34)]Quote[/b] ]Actually we came VERY VERY close to having German as our national language....well, actually, Pennsylvania Dutch.
Pennsylvania Deutch = German
Actually.. Deustche sounds like "Doich" which people misunderstood as Dutch.. so that's where the term Pennsylvania Dutch came from, if you care http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
K9STH
12-06-2007, 05:42 AM
And a lot of the original "Pennsylvania Dutch" actually came from Switzerland where they spoke Switzerdeutsch which is a dialect of German.
Glen, K9STH
ka0gkt
12-06-2007, 06:00 AM
It is interesting how "Colonies" tend to change the mother tougue. The Queen's English is different from that spoken in Australia, Canada and the United States. The Spanish spoken in Mexico differs somewhat from that spoken by the "Peninsulares" back in Spain, there are even some minor differences from region to region within Spain itself.
As far as a general lack of geographical knowlege in the United States, remember, someone at the FCC issued a "K" prefix call to an AM broadcast Station In Michigan (state abbreviation MI) because the FCC employee thought it was in Missouri (MO). Then there was a Capitol Hill Police Officer who wouldn't allow the Senator from New Mexico (NM) into the chamber because forreigners were not allowed entrance...well, living in Arizona, I CAN see how that might cause confusion, having driven through New Mexico on several occasions, it sometimes does feel like a forreign country http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 DE KAĜGKT/7
--Steve
Hey I figured out how this is related to the topic!
All the Swiss Miss Queen-for-a-Day upgrades can get in Dutch without conduct on the air Germaine to AR. And if you put enough English on one when you correct him, he'll spin up like a Colony of killer bees.
Thanks guys!
WA2ZDY
12-06-2007, 01:09 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,12:31)]Quote[/b] (ab8ma @ Dec. 05 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,15:10)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Dec. 05 2007,08:04)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,09:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
Do you realize that, whereas every state has a capital, not all of them have capitols?
:;):
Which state has no Capitol?
new jersey
Cool. #Guess they work out of the back of a black van with the vanity plate "Vinny".
NJ does have a capitol in the capital; they call it "the statehouse." Having never been to the capital of my "new" home state, I have no idea what might be found there. I've heard it called Tallahassle though and I've had enough hassles for this lifetime.
As for putting the amateur down in YO's first post, I don't see it that way. If that was Charlie's intent, he'd have identified the operator. He did not. I see this merely as bringing to light this lack of knowledge demonstrated by this operator.
As others have stated, the lack of geography knowledge among Americans is stupefyingly low. That some outrageous percentage of folks cannot find things on a map amazes me. My ex-wife, an educated person was unable to find her way around our own town with a map! (There, having identified her, I've certainly insulted her. . .)
Ham radio is a lot of the reason I know world geography pretty well as I was driven to know where my signals managed to find their way. But yes, I too had to start somewhere too. But to be on the air and have no idea a Canadian station was not in England? Ummmm . . . I'm speechless, sorry.
With that, let's keep this thread under control, ok? Thanks.
wa8rti
12-06-2007, 01:13 PM
Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 06 2007,00:42)]And a lot of the original "Pennsylvania Dutch" actually came from Switzerland where they spoke Switzerdeutsch which is a dialect of German.
Glen, K9STH
Actually most of the Pennsylvania Dutch came from the Rheinland Palatinate (Rheinpfalz) area were they speak the same low German dialect as the German Swiss. The Rheinpfalz is where I spent my 13 years living in Germany. I could speak and understand high German but the older folks in the village where I lived spoke only the dialect and I needed a translator to talk to them. #My father's (he was born in the U.S.) first language was German Swiss but I never learned it. In comparing notes with Dad, I found that many of the names for things were the same in German Swiss and the Pfalz dialect. Most Swiss immigrants to this country were not listed as Swiss but were lumped into the totals of the countries whose language the spoke. Those being German, French or Italian.
k0cmh
12-06-2007, 03:13 PM
7aj:
Yes, I completely agree that one needs a world map. But for me it is not because I am uneducated in geography, but because it seems every day there is a new, little, country. I think a world map's accuracy may last only a few months at best.
Time marches on -- we cannot stop change -- if it isn't broke, fix it -- continueous improvement -- can't we all just get along -- the new world order (and it seems we have had this "new" order for a very long time now), . . .
maybe the station didn't hear the call or the Ontario part, just the word "London."
the city in England has such international recognition, when someone simply hears London, they think of England. there are hundreds of places named London, but those lack the recognition of that city along the Thames.
what is the point, OP? when did you first learn that there was a London, Ontario? do you know where it is without having to look at a map? i know it's nearly half way between Detroit and Toronto and is surrounded by other places with names from the English country side.
i have to go, a friend from Berlin is calling me... no, not that one, or that one, or even that one. nope, not that one either. i'll give you a hint, his callsign begins with W3.
-steve
Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Dec. 05 2007,08:39)]Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,06:18)]A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...
Topeka Kansas
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Trenton NJ (shudder)
kn4ds
12-06-2007, 06:48 PM
Quote[/b] (wm3o @ Dec. 06 2007,12:06)]i have to go, a friend from Berlin is calling me... no, not that one, or that one, or even that one. nope, not that one either. i'll give you a hint, his callsign begins with W3.
It is but a matter of a couple hours' drive to visit Rome and Athens...
Since both are in North Georgia...
I ain't the brightest crayon in the box on world geography myself... which is why I kept a page with the CQ zones up during those contests... I had no idea where each was, and the callsign prefixes aren't really something I keep up with.
I had a contact with Tanzania... I had to look it up. I knew it was in Africa, but I didn't know where (aside from knowing it wasn't Libya, Egypt, South Africa or The Gambia... I'd already worked The Gambia and had to look that one up)
Same for Ivory Coast.
But I do like to think that I'd recognize a VE as being in Canada and not get excited by the word London (which, oddly, I did know was in Canada... I've some acquaintances who live there)... similarly, I'd not be exited by a W4 in London... that'd be London, Kentucky.
N8CPA
12-06-2007, 07:09 PM
Quote[/b] (ka0gkt @ Dec. 06 2007,02:00)]It is interesting how "Colonies" tend to change the mother tougue. #The Queen's English is different from that spoken in Australia, Canada and the United States. #The Spanish spoken in Mexico differs somewhat from that spoken by the "Peninsulares" back in Spain, there are even some minor differences from region to region within Spain itself.
As far as a general lack of geographical knowlege in the United States, remember, someone at the FCC issued a "K" prefix call to an AM broadcast Station In Michigan (state abbreviation MI) because the FCC employee thought it was in Missouri (MO). #Then there was a Capitol Hill Police Officer who wouldn't allow the Senator from New Mexico (NM) into the chamber because forreigners were not allowed entrance...well, living in Arizona, I CAN see how that might cause confusion, having driven through New Mexico on several occasions, it sometimes does feel like a forreign country http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
73 DE KAĜGKT/7
--Steve
That same development of micro-dialects can happen in "immersion" language courses, if the immersion takes place out of the full cultural context of the language studied.
And a W8 can be in Rome, London, or Venice, Oh.
K8YZK
12-06-2007, 07:35 PM
No habla espanola, and isn't Vermont a city in New Hampshire?
kg4kww
12-06-2007, 07:56 PM
Yea, ok Charlie, like you were never a newbie?
yea right.
I see your point and it's a good one. However, I bet your one of those turn on the 1kw amp which feeds a 4 square and step all over the low powered stations putting there call sign out to respond to a CX DX from a station across the pond.
Oh yea, lets not forget the CB type behavour with people stepping all over each other in the DX window trying to be heard by the DX station calling CQ. If that isn't CB type behavour I don't know what is.
Stop being so nasty Charlie, god is watching you and taking notes.
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 06 2007,12:56)]Stop being so nasty Charlie, god is watching you and taking notes.
Somehow, I don't think Charlie is all that concerned...
ai4ep
12-06-2007, 08:52 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Of course there is still ARAB, Alabama about 50 miles from here...along with HOUSTON, Alabama about 15 miles from here...so who says you have to cross USA state lines to talk to a dx area ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 06 2007,13:44)]Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 06 2007,12:56)]Stop being so nasty Charlie, god is watching you and taking notes.
Somehow, I don't think Charlie is all that concerned...
Yep, I know God has a sense of humor. I have seen Greg's picture.
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 06 2007,17:52)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Of course there is still ARAB, Alabama about 50 miles from here...along with HOUSTON, Alabama about 15 miles from here...so who says you have to cross USA state lines to talk to a dx area ? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
I know you pronounce ARAB "long A pause RAB " How do you pronounce HOUSTON ? HOOSTON , or something like that ? Maybe like the alien criminals on "Superman" ?
73, Jim
KC9JIQ
12-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 06 2007,13:52)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Of course there is still ARAB, Alabama about 50 miles from here...along with HOUSTON, Alabama about 15 miles from here...so who says you have to cross USA state lines to talk to a dx area ? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Cairo, in <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>little</span> Egypt, in Illinois.
VE3LXL
12-06-2007, 11:13 PM
Quote[/b] (wm3o @ Dec. 06 2007,12:06)]maybe the station didn't hear the call or the Ontario part, just the word "London."
the city in England has such international recognition, when someone simply hears London, they think of England. there are hundreds of places named London, but those lack the recognition of that city along the Thames.
what is the point, OP? when did you first learn that there was a London, Ontario? do you know where it is without having to look at a map? i know it's nearly half way between Detroit and Toronto and is surrounded by other places with names from the English country side.
i have to go, a friend from Berlin is calling me... no, not that one, or that one, or even that one. nope, not that one either. i'll give you a hint, his callsign begins with W3.
-steve
I wouldn't be too hard on that ham who got confused about London, Ontario. Even up here in Ontario, we often tend to call that city "London, Ontario" when referring to it, because when people say "London" by itself, even us Ontarians get confused about whether they mean our London or the one in the UK.
Incidentally, our London is also located on the Thames river, and is in Middlesex county, like the one in England. I read somewhere that this happened because the founders of the city anticipated that it would one day become the capital city of Canada. However, that didn't happen, and it didn't even get to be capital of the province.
k4kyv
12-06-2007, 11:15 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 06 2007,22:41)]Cairo, in <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>little</span> Egypt, in Illinois.
But they pronounce it "Kay-ro" as in the corn syrup.
N8CPA
12-07-2007, 01:14 AM
And Valparaiso is in Nativeamericana--though I am loathe to be so PC.
ai4ep
12-07-2007, 01:50 AM
Houston in Alabama slang is pronounced like this ---
H--ew--ston ( talk out of nose when using the EW part of the word ). There is also a HOUSTON county further south so the nasal situation may be even worse in that area. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
kn4ds
12-07-2007, 01:54 AM
In Georgia, Cairo is pronounced "Kay-Roh"
Houston (the county I live in) is "House-ton"
Taliaferro is "Tolliver"
Albany is "All-binny"
"Balmer City" otherwise known as "Baltimore" MD. ! ! !
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K8MHZ
12-07-2007, 03:03 AM
Charlie's posts always carry an agenda, some of which I do not agree with, but at least his heart is in the right place.
His posts, without any exception I have seen so far, are honest attempts to keep the quality of our craft as high as it can be. In doing so, as in any attempt of such manner, he is bound to step on a few toes. I would rather that happen than to subscribe to any attempt to promote the opposite.
America isn't getting any smarter, richer or healthier and I feel that all started with the 'I'm OK, You're OK' lowering of the bar in the early 80's. I see Charlie's posts, no matter how controversial, as an attempt to save us hams from that nearly age old reduction of standards that America has settled for over two decades ago and counting.
Let's cease this race to the bottom by coddling our ignorant and attempting to make them peers with the profound. It stopped working before it even started.
k6jpd
12-07-2007, 12:14 PM
heck, i worked a "/M" the other day, he said he was driving over the LONDON BRIDGE http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
i hear this type of thing a lot from the "good ole boys" here in the south, making comments about someone being from north of the mason-dixon line. most of them don't even know WHERE the M-D line really is. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
kg4kww
12-07-2007, 12:22 PM
Yea well a lot of the "good ole boys" in the south on the radio sound like they can just bearly add 1 + 1.
VK2AKG
12-07-2007, 12:38 PM
this far South a lot of folks I know will tell you the answer is 10 ;-)
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 07 2007,05:22)]Yea well a lot of the "good ole boys" in the south on the radio sound like they can just bearly add 1 + 1.
...while a few of the other "good ole boys" can barely spell...
P-K-B.
kn4ds
12-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Quote[/b] (VK2AKG @ Dec. 07 2007,07:38)]this far South a lot of folks I know will tell you the answer is 10 ;-)
Is not. Everybody knows 1+1 is 11.
See? Public school education pays off!
1 + 1 DOES = 10 (in binary).
1 + 1 + 1 = 11... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N8CPA
12-07-2007, 03:22 PM
Quote[/b] (N3JI @ Dec. 07 2007,11:10)]1 + 1 DOES = 10 (in binary).
1 + 1 + 1 = 11... #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
1+1+1+1=100 in BCD.
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KA4DPO
12-07-2007, 03:41 PM
Binary Coded Decimal.
Quote[/b] (kg4kww @ Dec. 07 2007,05:22)]Yea well a lot of the "good ole boys" in the south on the radio sound like they can just bearly add 1 + 1.
God is watching you and he's not happy.
KC9GUZ
12-07-2007, 05:31 PM
Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,07:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
Because the general concensus between the older guys and the new upgrades is that if you get an amateur lisense you MUST know everything about ham radio and have an EE degree and be profound in all aspects of RF and electronics! No newbee mistakes allowed EVER!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (KC9GUZ @ Dec. 07 2007,10:31)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,07:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
Because the general concensus between the older guys and the new upgrades is that if you get an amateur lisense you MUST know everything about ham radio and have an EE degree and be profound in all aspects of RF and electronics! No newbee mistakes allowed EVER!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Don't paint all of us with the same broad, tarry brush...
ai4ep
12-07-2007, 05:35 PM
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KC9GUZ
12-07-2007, 05:35 PM
Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Dec. 06 2007,18:14)]And Valparaiso is in Nativeamericana--though I am loathe to be so PC.
Do you mean Valparaiso, Indiana? The locals prefer to call it simply "Valpo". Plain and simple.....................
N8CPA
12-07-2007, 05:58 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9GUZ @ Dec. 07 2007,13:35)]Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ Dec. 06 2007,18:14)]And Valparaiso is in Nativeamericana--though I am loathe to be so PC.
Do you mean Valparaiso, Indiana? The locals prefer to call it simply "Valpo". Plain and simple.....................
Que hace el tiempo? Is it Chile there today?
ka9flx
12-08-2007, 01:19 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 05 2007,06:08)]The other two guys said they were in QSO and the KE5 station asked if they would mind if he worked "the London, England station". #ROFLMAO!
They told him the other station was in South America and the station in QSO was in London Ontario. #The KE5 asked what part of England that was in to which he was told Ontario is in Canada, not England.
Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Maybe Dave should be a contestant?
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W0LPQ
12-08-2007, 01:24 AM
9GUZ what does geography (which should have been learned in grade school) have to do with an EE degree or RF or electronics ...?? Fail to understand that comment.
K9STH
12-08-2007, 01:54 AM
And Valparaiso, Florida, which is near Fort Walton Beach and is the home of Eglin Air Force Base, is called by the locals "Valpee".
My mother's youngest brother, who, like me, was born in LaPorte, Indiana, which is about 20 miles from Valparaiso, Indiana, has lived in Fort Walton Beach for decades. He had to learn to call Valparaiso, Flordia, "Valpee" and not "Valpo".
Also, Valparaiso is NOT "Native American"! The city was named for Valparaiso, Chile. It is the county seat of Porter County and was originally named Portersville. It was renamed Valparaiso in honor of the naval hero, David Porter, who was forced to surrender his ship The Essex after it was disabled in a "lopsided" battle with two British frigates off Valparaiso, Chile, during the War of 1812.
Valparaiso, Chile, was named after Valparaíso de Arriba in Cuenca, Spain. As such, there is no connection at all to "Native American"!
Glen, K9STH
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that do understand binary, and those that DON'T !
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KC9JIQ
12-08-2007, 01:59 AM
Quote[/b] (KC9GUZ @ Dec. 07 2007,10:31)]Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 05 2007,07:26)]The post reads like your ridiculing the new amateurs http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
WHY not give them a chance to learn,everyone should have that right !
Ridiculing them is wrong .
Because the general concensus between the older guys and the new upgrades is that if you get an amateur lisense you MUST know everything about ham radio and have an EE degree and be profound in all aspects of RF and electronics! No newbee mistakes allowed EVER!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
That seems to be true about the Advanced class, since it's the last true and easily identifiable proof that a operator had to actually work at getting his license. No disrespect to our before the rule change amateur extras intended here.
Oh, PLEASE ! Why do we have to keep bringing up this "newbie" vs "OF" battle over and over again?
As I said on another string, all information , whether it is found on the internet, or in other forms such as books and magazines, should be VERIFIED ! If you cannot find two sources that agree about the information you are seeking, it is quite possible that whatever information you are receiving is NOT CORRECT ! Someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong ! If you can find the same info from multiple sources, it is highly likely that the info is correct! 468/Frequency in Mhz is the formula for a half-wave dipole in free space. That info is found in numerous publications. Construction details for a "J-Pole" antenna are many and varied. You might want to check out several references before settling on a method you decide to use !
73, Jim
K9STH
12-08-2007, 02:41 AM
Actually, 468/F where F is in MHz is only an approximation of the length of a half-wave antenna which is based on HF antennas using wire between 12 gauge and 14 gauge. Use of smaller diameter wire (that with a higher gauge number) results in a higher "fudge factor" and larger diameter wire (or tubing) results in a smaller "fudge factor".
It is the relationship of the diameter of the radiating element to the wavelength of the signal that actually determines the actual "formula". There is a chart, well, a "nomograph", in most ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbooks and in the ARRL Antenna Manuals which gives the relative length of the wire in relation to the ratio of diameter to wavelength. The wavelength of a half-wave in free space is just over 492/F where F is in MHz. The actual number used to calculate the length of a half-wave antenna is found by multiplying 492 by the figure found in the chart. The number found on the chart takes into consideration the "end effect" of the wire when used as an antenna.
At HF 12 gauge to 14 gauge wire has a "figure" of about 0.95 which, when multiplied by 492, comes out to be 468. Of course this number is for the length of the antenna in feet.
When calculating the length of wire necessary to make a half-wave antenna the usual method is to make the wire longer than calculated. That is because other factors (primarily physical location) can have a greater effect on the actual length of the wire needed to be resonant at a particular frequency.
VO1GXG
12-08-2007, 03:41 AM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,03:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
I can name the provincial capitols . The year they joined Canada. I can also tell you every US state and its capitol,I have several American friends who can't remember which state is next to them. I never took a course in geography either!! I'm a History Ham .
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ai4ep
12-08-2007, 04:22 AM
How many of you not only know the USA state capitals, but the COUNTY courthouse locations for each individual county in YOUR home state ?
Me, I know all of northern Alabama ( about 20 counties out of 67 ) and a select few from south Alabama ...but I "think " I know all the capitals for all the 50 usa states ....ok maybe 40 out of the 50...well, maybe 25 ( which is half ) out of the 50.
So no matter which state you need the capital of, that is one of the 25 I dont know !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N8CPA
12-08-2007, 11:29 AM
Quote[/b] (K9STH @ Dec. 07 2007,21:54)]And Valparaiso, Florida, which is near Fort Walton Beach and is the home of Eglin Air Force Base, is called by the locals "Valpee".
My mother's youngest brother, who, like me, was born in LaPorte, Indiana, which is about 20 miles from Valparaiso, Indiana, has lived in Fort Walton Beach for decades. #He had to learn to call Valparaiso, Flordia, "Valpee" and not "Valpo".
Also, Valparaiso is NOT "Native American"! #The city was named for Valparaiso, Chile. #It is the county seat of Porter County and was originally named Portersville. #It was renamed Valparaiso in honor of the naval hero, David Porter, who was forced to surrender his ship The Essex after it was disabled in a "lopsided" battle with two British frigates off Valparaiso, Chile, during the War of 1812.
Valparaiso, Chile, was named after Valparaíso de Arriba in Cuenca, Spain. #As such, there is no connection at all to "Native American"!
Glen, K9STH
Glenn, I was being facetious. #There's so much political correction going on nowadays, where anything containing the name "Indian," except in reference to the oriental subcontinent, is being changed to 'Native American." #I changed the name of the state from Indiana to "Native americana" to parody political correctness of such name changes. #
And Valparaiso, Chile is one of those places in the world that I would like to see someday. And thanks for the history lesson. I have been through Valpo, but, having checked the map, I have never been through Valpee.
k4kyv
12-08-2007, 03:50 PM
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Dec. 05 2007,14:08)]And if we hadn't won the Revolutionary War, we would all be speaking English right now!
What does the Revolutionary war have to do with it?
Illiterate people talk like illiterate people, and well educated people talk like well educated people, regardless of government and politics.
According to an article in National Geographic a couple of years ago, a significant number of university graduates in the US could not even locate the United States on a world map.
A significant number of university graduates in the US are NOT even US citizens ! So what is your point? Could you locate Sri Lanka on a map ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Even if you attended a university in that country ? Just curious !
N8CPA
12-08-2007, 05:54 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Dec. 08 2007,12:20)]A significant number of university graduates in the US are NOT even US citizens ! # #So what is your point? # Could you locate Sri Lanka on a map ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif # Even if you attended a university in that country ? # Just curious !
I can. #Here's a hint: #Look for the Indians. #No. Not Sioux; not Cherokee; not Ogilala... Look for Colombo, not Peter Falk.
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KA0SPM
12-10-2007, 05:21 PM
So, I heard this on 75m last night. One group of "hams" fighting with another group of "hams". About adjacent frequency interference. Each one blaming the other for running too wide. Neither one was, at the time but both groups have been guilty of it before. Not because they have modified their radios or have used audio processing, but because they were too drunk and or stupid to adjust their radios properly.
During this confrontation there were th usual exchanges from questioning the ability of the operator to questioning the lineage of the operator to trying to find the others qth to exact a proper adjustment of the other operator. During these intelligent exchanges both sides informed the other of being licensed for more than thirty years.
I moved on to another frequency to find a newly licensed ham. Those guys are polite and follow the rules well. They may not always know where Canada is but at least they will listen when you explain it.
kd8hho
12-10-2007, 10:01 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 06 2007,15:41)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Dec. 06 2007,13:52)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Of course there is still ARAB, Alabama about 50 miles from here...along with HOUSTON, Alabama about 15 miles from here...so who says you have to cross USA state lines to talk to a dx area ? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Cairo, in <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>little</span> Egypt, in Illinois.
we have a mexico and a brazil indiana http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K4GUN
12-10-2007, 10:59 PM
Ham radio operators need to be very careful when correcting other operators. As a group, I am learning that ham operators may be absolute geniuses with electronics, but most are horrible when it comes to grammar. Its to the point where I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good".
k0dxc
12-10-2007, 11:28 PM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Dec. 05 2007,06:18)]This is by no means surprising, and isn't confined to the amateur service either. A fair amount of today's high-school kids do not know the name and location of their state capitols...or how to find their particular state on a map.
LoL don't be making fun of me, although Im not in high school YET! JK
Quote[/b] (k4gun @ Dec. 10 2007,15:59)]Ham radio operators need to be very careful when correcting other operators. As a group, I am learning that ham operators may be absolute geniuses with electronics, but most are horrible when it comes to grammar. <s>Its</s> It's to the point where I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good".
Obviously, nobody is perfect. Especially you and me. LOL!
kf4vgx
12-11-2007, 03:53 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 09 2007,21:28)]Quote[/b] (k4gun @ Dec. 10 2007,15:59)]Ham radio operators need to be very careful when correcting other operators. #As a group, I am learning that ham operators may be absolute geniuses with electronics, but most are horrible when it comes to grammar. #<s>Its</s> It's to the point where I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good".
Obviously, nobody is perfect. Especially you and me. #LOL!
I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good"!
Murder is "NOT" the answer http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif .
(Its) OK tho my antenna is working ER ,AH , OK http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif .
Charlie , you go boy !
Translation, Merry Christmas http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
http://www.flw.com/merry.htm
Quote[/b] (kf4vgx @ Dec. 10 2007,20:53)]I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good"!
Hey! My antenna just worked G0OD !
And right before that, I worked RG8U !
K4GUN
12-11-2007, 03:09 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 10 2007,20:28)]Quote[/b] (k4gun @ Dec. 10 2007,15:59)]Ham radio operators need to be very careful when correcting other operators. #As a group, I am learning that ham operators may be absolute geniuses with electronics, but most are horrible when it comes to grammar. #<s>Its</s> It's to the point where I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good".
Obviously, nobody is perfect. Especially you and <s>me</s> I. #LOL!
LOL. #Oops. #
In any event, my antenna system works well. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
N8CPA
12-11-2007, 03:29 PM
Quote[/b] (k4gun @ Dec. 11 2007,11:09)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Dec. 10 2007,20:28)]Quote[/b] (k4gun @ Dec. 10 2007,15:59)]Ham radio operators need to be very careful when correcting other operators. #As a group, I am learning that ham operators may be absolute geniuses with electronics, but most are horrible when it comes to grammar. #<s>Its</s> It's to the point where I want to strangle the next guy who says his antenna is working "good".
Obviously, nobody is perfect. Especially you and <s>me</s> I. #LOL!
LOL. #Oops. #
In any event, my antenna system works well. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
One that always grinds my teeth together is 'I coulda went..." He 'coulda' conjugated the verb to go.
Wait until the text message generation spawns. We have not heard anything yet!