Jay Leno fires staff

[n4sva]

Scrooged (http://www.variety.com/VR1117976808.html)

[N3ATS]

I lost my job last year, one year ago today actually. So I know it sucks!

I assume there is no strike pay?

[WC5P]

Strike pay??

If the unions paid strike pay, they wouldn't be able to send all the dues money to the DNC.

Strike pay, that's a good one..... LOL

Unions haven't benefited their members in years.....

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (WC5P @ Nov. 30 2007,18:42)]Strike pay??

If the unions paid strike pay, they wouldn't be able to send all the dues money to the DNC.

Strike pay, that's a good one..... LOL

Unions haven't benefited their members in years.....
Nor have they benefitted America...ever !

[NA4BH]

Sorry, I Had To Do It......... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-v2zwKDggI)

[vk6zgo]

Having had a look at the link, it does my heart good to see that not only QRZ'ers.Have comprehension problems.
If you look at the original story, it's the people who didn't go on strike who are losing their jobs #& getting very little compensation or warning. It #seems the lack of warning is what upsets them most,as they would have gone & looked for other jobs.
About 5 out of 10 of the comments on that site seem to assume that it is the strikers getting laid off.

This same thing happens on QRZ,where someone will post something,the next person doesn't read it correctly, the 3rd person answers the 2nd,& by the 4th or 5th there is no semblance of the original left.

Just what I'm doing with this post, in fact! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It's something we really should try to avoid,but is very easy to do.

73 VK6ZGO

[NA4BH]

Well, Ba, posting on QRZ is like the Great Kangaroo Famine of ’32. No one really understood it either. And yet it still happens.

[K3RRR]

Also it hasn't been pointed out that Jay Leno didn't do anything. He is an employee just like eveybody else. Because he is rich, and he is, that doesn't mean he should shoulder the pay for 100 so employees of NBC.

It was not two weeks ago that the rumor that he would be fired if he continued to refuse to return to work. Without the writers how much of a show there would actually be probably saved them from loosing one of their best cash cows just because they were angry at him.

[WC5P]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Nov. 30 2007,19:14)]Quote[/b] (WC5P @ Nov. 30 2007,18:42)]Strike pay??

If the unions paid strike pay, they wouldn't be able to send all the dues money to the DNC.

Strike pay, that's a good one..... LOL

Unions haven't benefited their members in years.....
Nor have they benefitted America...ever !
Not true.







But then, you already knew that.........

[k9kjm]

I dont agree that labor unions have never done any good in this country.

Many, Many years ago big business DID opress workers. Unions were formed that stood up to those abuses, AND got labor laws passed for the good of all workers.

Nowadays however, There are so many federal (And state) labor laws on the books that labor unions have simply become a group that stands up for the slug employee (Who actually deserves to be fired) And a conduit to send lots of money (From many unwilling contributors) To the DNC.

[n6hcm]

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Nov. 30 2007,17:29)]I assume there is no strike pay?
why would there be strike pay for people who aren't striking? these are folks who were (mostly) not writers.

[AC4BB]

They needed to fire each and every striking writer after 1 notice and that's all, They're already far overpaid and the stuff they write is pure junk.

[K8ERV]

I just wonder what all of those 125 people do? Read that Conan's staff is 45. Seems like a lot of overhead to me. I get along with one dog (not to be confused with my wife, KA8SNH).

Tom K8ERV Montrose Co.

[KA8DKT]

Quote[/b] (WC5P @ Nov. 30 2007,21:42)]Strike pay??

If the unions paid strike pay, they wouldn't be able to send all the dues money to the DNC.

Strike pay, that's a good one..... LOL

Unions haven't benefited their members in years.....
NABET/CWA paid strike pay during the lock-out by Disney. They took good care of the membership.

-gary

[wa8rti]

"Nor have they benefitted America...ever !" #You need to study your history of industry and labor in the late #19th and early 20th century. Have you ever heard the Tennessee Ernie Ford song '16 Tons'? One line is 'you load 16 tons and whata get, another day older and deeper in debt' I worked with a guy whose grandfather was a WV coal miner in the 20'sand 30's when workers were paid by the ton. When the United Mine Workers union won the right to have a union man watching the scales #along with the company man, everyone's daily tonnage #nearly doubled. #The company had been cheating the workers for years. That is not to say that the unions are always right but there is still bad management out there that will screw its work force if it can. I've been both union and management and both sides are needed-in balance.

[WB2WIK]

Labor unions of course benefited many; however study carefully and you'll see the average laborer who benefited did so only because he or she was unqualified to do anything else, or lacked the motivation to simply relocate where better jobs were available, with better benefits, that were non-union.

Miners are a perfect example. Yes, if you want to work in a mine and don't actually own the mine, you'll be one of a thousand employes who may fall victim to employer tyranny. Or, you could get trained to do something else; and if there's "nothing else" in your area, you can become a proprietor, or pick your butt up and relocate to somplace where there are better jobs. Railroads provided that opportunity for the past 150 years...before there were any unions. I've never felt badly for those too unmotivated to look for opportunities beyond their backyards.

Now, the Writers Guild strike's impact on local employment here in the Hollywood area is a perfect example of why unions are not well received. The Guild employes are on strike without benefits other than the good graces of some wealthy employers who decided to give handouts (such as David Letterman who agreed to pay all his Worldwide Pants employes through the end of the year, strike or not). But the impact on non-union workers is still dramatic, as was the point of the original news article posted.

Leno, like Letterman, actually worked as a comedy writer and probably could keep the show going without any Guild writers at all. But he chose to honor the picket line and keep friendly with the Guild folks. Good for him, but not necessarily the wisest decision and surely didn't help all those non-union workers just given their walking papers.

It's amazing how many people are involved in most television productions. The soundstage for the Fox show "24" is down the street from my office and I see a lot of the crew locally. A dozen actors, with six dozen support staff including makeup artists, hair stylists, grips of all sorts, technicians, engineers, cameramen, post-production editors, caterers, guards, even parking lot attendants. Way more "support" staff than you'll ever see on camera.

WB2WIK/6

[W8EFA]

Quote[/b] ]you'll see the average laborer who benefited did so only because he or she was unqualified to do anything else, or lacked the motivation to simply relocate where better jobs were available, with better benefits, that were non-union.

Miners are a perfect example. #Yes, if you want to work in a mine and don't actually own the mine, you'll be one of a thousand employes who may fall victim to employer tyranny. #Or, you could get trained to do something else; and if there's "nothing else" in your area, you can become a proprietor, or pick your butt up and relocate to somplace where there are better jobs. #Railroads provided that opportunity for the past 150 years...before there were any unions. #I've never felt badly for those too unmotivated to look for opportunities beyond their backyards.

Truly spoken like a naïve, coddled, privileged, little white boy who never struggled a day in his life. #
If we took little Stevie at 1 year old a put him in a shack in West Virginia in Appalachia how much you want to bet he would be an uneducated miner right now in the union? #I would just about guarantee it. #An individual can only do so much on his own within an environment where you are raised in poverty and without an education. #Some may escape, most do not.

Your comments about unions show the same unawareness, and inability to imagine past your own experience like many posters here. #Never have been in a Union but I have seen how they kept the worker from being exploited, and how certain workers do benefit. #As a a writer it is pretty much a requirement to be in the guild to work In that field.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Dec. 01 2007,01:25)]They needed to fire each and every striking writer after 1 notice and that's all, They're already far overpaid and the stuff they write is pure junk.
Good point. You should offer to write pure junk for free.

Much of the conflict seems to be simply how the media giants will pay residuals on new media. It is not a matter of pay, but rather, a matter of trying to keep from getting ripped off for the intellectual property that is created in part by writers.

Quote[/b] ]If they gave us everything we had on the table right now, if they gave us everything we wanted—everything—and they then made a deal with the DGA and matched it, which is what they'll do, and then they made a deal with the Screen Actors Guild and tripled it, which is typically what happens....if they did that—if they gave us everything—on a company-by-company basis they would be giving all of us less than each of their CEOs makes in a year. And in some cases, a lot less.
—WGAW president Patric Verrone

[KC5CSG]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 02 2007,17:35)]Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Dec. 01 2007,01:25)]They needed to fire each and every striking writer after 1 notice #and that's all, They're already far overpaid and the stuff they write is pure junk.
Good point. #You should offer to write pure junk for free.

Much of the conflict seems to be simply how the media giants will pay residuals on new media. #It is not a matter of pay, but rather, a matter of trying to keep from getting ripped off for the intellectual property that is created in part by writers.

Quote[/b] ]If they gave us everything we had on the table right now, if they gave us everything we wanted—everything—and they then made a deal with the DGA and matched it, which is what they'll do, and then they made a deal with the Screen Actors Guild and tripled it, which is typically what happens....if they did that—if they gave us everything—on a company-by-company basis they would be giving all of us less than each of their CEOs makes in a year. And in some cases, a lot less.
—WGAW president Patric Verrone
What are you talking about? Most of us write pure junk for free already.

[wb7dmx]

Quote[/b] (KC5CSG @ Dec. 02 2007,17:40)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 02 2007,17:35)]Quote[/b] (AC4BB @ Dec. 01 2007,01:25)]They needed to fire each and every striking writer after 1 notice #and that's all, They're already far overpaid and the stuff they write is pure junk.
Good point. #You should offer to write pure junk for free.

Much of the conflict seems to be simply how the media giants will pay residuals on new media. #It is not a matter of pay, but rather, a matter of trying to keep from getting ripped off for the intellectual property that is created in part by writers.

Quote[/b] ]If they gave us everything we had on the table right now, if they gave us everything we wanted—everything—and they then made a deal with the DGA and matched it, which is what they'll do, and then they made a deal with the Screen Actors Guild and tripled it, which is typically what happens....if they did that—if they gave us everything—on a company-by-company basis they would be giving all of us less than each of their CEOs makes in a year. And in some cases, a lot less.
—WGAW president Patric Verrone
What are you talking about? Most of us write pure junk for free already.
you got that right !

[n6hcm]

i look forward to the resurgence of "reality tv" ... oh, wait ....

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Dec. 02 2007,16:20)]Truly spoken like a naïve, coddled, privileged, little white boy who never struggled a day in his life. #
If we took little Stevie at 1 year old a put him in a shack in West Virginia in Appalachia how much you want to bet he would be an uneducated miner right now in the union? #I would just about guarantee it.
Get back to me when you know what you're talking about.

I've worked since the age of 14 to put myself through college and haven't lived "at home" (with my parents) since I was 18. I worked three jobs during school, including full time weekends, and somehow managed to graduate.

I've been a Union member, twice. In both cases I thought it was ridiculous, just a silly requirement for employment. I still have an AFTRA card and pay dues to that organization who has never done anything for me other than collect dues.

Unions have done just great at keeping the auto workers employed in Detroit. By making demands that are impossible to meet, the industry has decided to simply move out. I guess no jobs are better than the ones they used to have.

Actually, I can't think of anywhere they've done just great in my lifetime.

WB2WIK/6

[w3wn]

Jay Leno didn't fire anyone.

NBC, a unit of General Electric -- that is, the network that once again owns the Tonight Show -- did.

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (K3RRR @ Nov. 30 2007,19:50)]Also it hasn't been pointed out that Jay Leno didn't do anything. #He is an employee just like eveybody else. #Because he is rich, and he is, that doesn't mean he should shoulder the pay for 100 so employees of NBC. #

It was not two weeks ago that the rumor that he would be fired if he continued to refuse to return to work. #Without the writers how much of a show there would actually be probably saved them from loosing one of their best cash cows just because they were angry at him.
Jay Leno is ALL SHOW.

David Letterman is still the best, not as funny as old times, but still a expert joke cracker! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

We all know how David used to crack those GE jokes! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

http://video.google.com/videopl....index=2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=203724613626875107&q=dave+letterman&total=5462&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2)

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 03 2007,15:39)]Quote[/b] (K3RRR @ Nov. 30 2007,19:50)]Also it hasn't been pointed out that Jay Leno didn't do anything. He is an employee just like eveybody else. Because he is rich, and he is, that doesn't mean he should shoulder the pay for 100 so employees of NBC.

It was not two weeks ago that the rumor that he would be fired if he continued to refuse to return to work. Without the writers how much of a show there would actually be probably saved them from loosing one of their best cash cows just because they were angry at him.
Jay Leno is ALL SHOW.

David Letterman is still the best, not as funny as old times, but still a expert joke cracker! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Conan is my homeboy.

[WB2WIK]

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Dec. 03 2007,16:42)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Dec. 03 2007,15:39)]Quote[/b] (K3RRR @ Nov. 30 2007,19:50)]Also it hasn't been pointed out that Jay Leno didn't do anything. #He is an employee just like eveybody else. #Because he is rich, and he is, that doesn't mean he should shoulder the pay for 100 so employees of NBC. #

It was not two weeks ago that the rumor that he would be fired if he continued to refuse to return to work. #Without the writers how much of a show there would actually be probably saved them from loosing one of their best cash cows just because they were angry at him.
Jay Leno is ALL SHOW.

David Letterman is still the best, not as funny as old times, but still a expert joke cracker! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Conan is my homeboy.
I don't think Conan's funny at all; although I understand he's a brilliant comedy writer, which is how he also started out.

For being actually funny, I think Craig Ferguson has them all beat.