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KW4MW
11-30-2007, 04:26 PM
This explains a lot:Quote[/b] ] . . . .
Fifty-eight percent of Republicans report having excellent mental health, compared to 43% of independents and 38% of Democrats.
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One could be quick to assume that these differences are based on the underlying demographic and socioeconomic patterns related to party identification in America today. A recent Gallup report (see "Strong Relationship Between Income and Mental Health" in Related Items) reviewed these mental health data more generally, and found that men, those with higher incomes, those with higher education levels, and whites are more likely than others to report excellent mental health. Some of these patterns describe characteristics of Republicans, of course.

But an analysis of the relationship between party identification and self-reported excellent mental health within various categories of age, gender, church attendance, income, education, and other variables shows that the basic pattern persists regardless of these characteristics. In other words, party identification appears to have an independent effect on mental health even when each of these is controlled for.


Ah - those Crazy Democrats (http://www.gallup.com/poll/102943/Republicans-Report-Much-Better-Mental-Health-Than-Others.aspx#1)

n2nh
11-30-2007, 04:29 PM
Quote[/b] ]Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent, according to data from the last four November Gallup Health and Healthcare polls.

A) Self praise is no praise.

B) It's nice to see they're consistent and that the delusions continue long after they switch off Fox and Rush.

kl7aj
11-30-2007, 04:31 PM
I once filled out a job application. At the bottom they had this question: Have you ever suffered from mental illness?

I wrote: No, I've always thoroughly enjoyed it.


I guess that was the wrong answer. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 04:31 PM
Quote[/b] ]A) Self praise is no praise.

B) It's nice to see they're consistent and that the delusions continue long after they switch off Fox and Rush.

2nh opinion - not necessarily a fact - but at least you're starting to think for yourself. Way to go!

n2nh
11-30-2007, 04:33 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,11:31)]Quote[/b] ]A) Self praise is no praise.

B) It's nice to see they're consistent and that the delusions continue long after they switch off Fox and Rush.

2nh opinion - not necessarily a fact - but at least you're starting to think for yourself. Way to go!
In fact I can prove Neocon mental illness. They've voted in someone just as delusional as they are. Twice.

Neocon Nuts (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/049)

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 04:37 PM
Quote[/b] ]In fact I can prove Neocon mental illness. #They've voted in someone just as delusional as they are. #Twice.

Neocon Nuts

Buzzflash.com? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


I think you just proved the thrust of this thread. # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

kd5kfl
11-30-2007, 04:39 PM
Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder is a common mental disorder.

People who have Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder do not see it as a problem.

People who live with people who have Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder see it as a problem. No, make that a nightmare.

People who have Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder would not report it as a problem, because they don't see it as a problem.

Ergo, self reporting of mental problems is unreliable.

The fact that Democrats are Democrats is evidence that they are deluded and irrational. Ergo there is no reasonable expectation of validity in the data they report.

W8EFA
11-30-2007, 04:48 PM
Quote[/b] ]But the key finding of the analyses presented here is that being a Republican appears to have an independent relationship on positive mental health above and beyond what can be explained by these types of demographic and lifestyle variables. The exact explanation for this persistent relationship -- as noted -- is unclear.



What the article is saying is that poor, rich, churchgoing, nonchurchgoing, it doesn't matter. #People that call themselves Republicans rate themselves as being menatlly healthy. #This doesn't surprise me at all as most Reublicans are delusional and not realists.

Look at all the screwed up Gay Bashing Republican closet homosexuals. Look at all the delusional, can't face reality, Bush apologists. #Doesn't surprise me at all. #You would think some of the neoconservatives on here would one day wake up and think "Why am I constantly making excuses for facts about my parties failures?" #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 04:56 PM
Quote[/b] ]Look at all the screwed up Gay Bashing Republican closet homosexuals. Look at all the delusional, #can't face reality, Bush apologists. #Doesn't surprise me at all. #You would think some of the neoconservatives on here would one day wake up and think "Why am I constantly making excuses for facts about my parties failures?" #

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif Speaking of being delusional - can't face reality #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Thnaks for the new data point.

al2i
11-30-2007, 05:03 PM
Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 30 2007,08:48)]Look at all the screwed up Gay Bashing Republican closet homosexuals. Look at all the delusional, can't face reality, Bush apologists. Doesn't surprise me at all. You would think some of the neoconservatives on here would one day wake up and think "Why am I constantly making excuses for facts about my parties failures?" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Excellent point. It is as if the Republican party is a magnet for self-delusional types. I really think this is more of a problem recently rather than historically, but I may be deluding myself about the history. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 05:18 PM
Soooo - what you guys are saying is that although more Republicans that Democrats say they have better mental health it is only because the Republicans are self delusional about their own well being. #

James Carvell must be proud of you.

It is that kind of circular thinking plus the fact that you insecure souls rushed to defend yourselves that actually lends more credence to the article.

KC5CSG
11-30-2007, 05:21 PM
I once was asked if I thought I was god. I said yes. My brother said no. So, I guess that means I'm god and my brother is just another low life.

hehehe, what people think of themselves doesn't mean crap. I'm sure most serial killers think they have perfect clarity of thought.

LOL!!!!!!!

n2nh
11-30-2007, 05:23 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,11:37)]Quote[/b] ]In fact I can prove Neocon mental illness. They've voted in someone just as delusional as they are. Twice.

Neocon Nuts

Buzzflash.com? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


I think you just proved the thrust of this thread. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Ah, being a "NEWS NAZI" Mike? Here's another source.

Bush on the Couch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_on_the_Couch)

Interesting premise the good Doctor comes up with. But is shows the true mental state of those who voted for him. I guess they had a common connection that made another term look lucrative.

I defer to the Doctor on this one. He has the expertise.

You're right. It is circular thinking to believe one is mentally excellent. It's called self-abuse. Only a doctor knows.

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 05:39 PM
Wikipedia? Man you run that search engine hard don't you?

I'd say that's a sign of a obsessive compulsive behavior - Thanks again for proving the premise of the referenced article.

I have to wonder though - why is a self acclaimed independent trying so hard to refute the evidence? Maybe it's because in reality you're a closet Democrat.

So here we have a person -2nh, desperately, even obsessively trying to deny the results of a Gallop poll by digging up "facts" from unreliable sources (yes, Wikipedia is one of those). A person that, by the way claims he is not a democrat, yet somehow has a compulsive need to try to spin or distort the results of the referenced poll because he apparently disagrees with the results.

Yeah, I'd say you obviously belong to the 38 per-centers, not the 43%ers and definitely not the 58%ers.

Those voices in your head is nothing more than CNN running in the background. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

W8EFA
11-30-2007, 05:44 PM
It probably is mentally easier being a Republican.

After all they have their ingrained beliefs they never waiver from. They don't have to think about an issue, they just believe a certain way about an issue and stick to it no matter what the facts are. It really is easier not to think, and reason! Just believe!

Quote[/b] ]Democrats' favorite Christmas carol is "Deck the Halls." Young Democrats' favorite Christmas carol is "Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer." Republicans' favorite Christmas carol is "White Christmas." Young Republicans' favorite Christmas carol is "White Christmas."

n2nh
11-30-2007, 05:47 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,12:39)]Wikipedia? Man you run that search engine hard don't you?

I'd say that's a sign of a obsessive compulsive behavior - Thanks again for proving the premise of the referenced article.

I have to wonder though - why is a self acclaimed independent trying so hard to refute the evidence? Maybe it's because in reality you're a closet Democrat.

So here we have a person -2nh, desperately, even obsessively trying to deny the results of a Gallop poll by digging up "facts" from unreliable sources (yes, Wikipedia is one of those). A person that, by the way claims he is not a democrat, yet somehow has a compulsive need to try to spin or distort the results of the referenced poll because he apparently disagrees with the results.

Yeah, I'd say you obviously belong to the 38 per-centers, not the 43%ers and definitely not the 58%ers.

Those voices in your head is nothing more than CNN running in the background. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Yep it's a Gallup Poll that says Republicans are saying that they feel they're in excellent mental health. That in itself proves nothing more than they are appraising themselves. I'm certain that Jack the Ripper felt he was mentally excellent too. I'm certain that John Gacy would tell you he is the picture of mental excellence too. So would Charles Manson, Adolph Hitler and Michael Vick.

Proves nothing Mikey, except you've outed yourself for being what you've constantly condemned everybody else for being. A "News Nazi." The Doctor wrote the book, the Doctor made some fine medical points and the Doctor wrote what Wikipedia described. You don't like the words on Wikis site, so the problem isn't with the Doctor, he's an expert. It isn't with your perception. It's with Wiki and the fact that I had the temerity to actually post these facts here.

I'm not trying to make gold out of manure, you are. The whole point of this thread is ludicrous to begin with. Either refute the facts which are in two links here and a book you can buy or be proven for the delusional thinker that is having reality problems.

Speaking of professionals, when's the last time you had a visit to the shrink?
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N5NPO
11-30-2007, 05:51 PM
So why do so many Democrats think (feel) they suffer from poor mental health than Independants and Republicans? Anyone??? Anyone???

n2nh
11-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Nov. 30 2007,12:51)]So why do so many Democrats think (feel) they suffer from poor mental health than Independants and Republicans? Anyone??? Anyone???
I suggest that you actually click on the link. It isn't "SO MANY" NPO, but then again, the political point rather than rational thinking and objective looking at the data is a strong suit of the 'normal right'. There were actually more Independents that said that. I think it is a case of being realistic. But as with High Blood Pressure, self appraisal is pretty much worthless.

Just ask Charles Manson. He's the picture of perfect mental health. Really, he'll be glad to tell you. What you really should be asking is why are Republicans showing this great a disparity with the rest of the country?

al2i
11-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Nov. 30 2007,09:51)]So why do so many Democrats think (feel) they suffer from poor mental health than Independants and Republicans? Anyone??? Anyone???
Since depression is the most wide-spread problem, and since the crazy neocons are running the country into the ground, then admitting to being depressed is the first step to taking the country back. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

KC5CSG
11-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Nov. 30 2007,10:51)]So why do so many Democrats think (feel) they suffer from poor mental health than Independants and Republicans? Anyone??? Anyone???
Maybe most democrats believe that, even though they believe something should be a certain way, they could be wrong with the way they're reasoning. That leaves the floor open for them to change their mind about any subject in favor of the majority around them. They're willing to accept their views may be wrong. With that being said, you could easily come to the conclusion you're not the rock of mental stability.

Republicans, on the other hand, believe they're 100% right all the time. They have closed the doors of debate in their own minds. Looking at our stupid President when he's giving a speech is proof of that. Republicans couldn't care less what the majority thinks. After all, the Republicans are chosen of god and believe they're above all of us.

Jerry

W1GUH
11-30-2007, 05:57 PM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 29 2007,11:03)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 30 2007,08:48)]Look at all the screwed up Gay Bashing Republican closet homosexuals. Look at all the delusional, #can't face reality, Bush apologists. #Doesn't surprise me at all. #You would think some of the neoconservatives on here would one day wake up and think "Why am I constantly making excuses for facts about my parties failures?" #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
Excellent point. #It is as if the Republican party is a magnet for self-delusional types. #I really think this is more of a problem recently rather than historically, but I may be deluding myself about the history. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] ] I really think this is more of a problem recently rather than historically, but I may be deluding myself about the history. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Just last night I read that it isn't recent, it goes back, at least, to FDR's elections. #I'm in the middle of a biography of Charles (Hank) Bukowski, and in it I read that, despite the fact that the family was flat broke and out of work during the Great Depression, his parents always voted Republican because they never admitted to themselves that they were poor.

Reminded me of a lot of knee-jerk-o-cons I've known. #They're completely middle-class, but believe themselves to be a part of the "inner circle" of good ol' republican boys. #Talk about self-delusions. #

And as for the original post...nobody's but nobody's self-diagnosis of mental health is to be believed. #But look at all the delusional people who think the FM is the greatest thing! #To support the FM is to be mentally ill.

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NL7W
11-30-2007, 06:08 PM
How could the Libs ever really feel excellent? They cannot.

Libs inherently suffer from such constant guilt and shame; they want to "feel your pain." It is natural for all Libs to continually grasp for false hopes, unattainable goals, and spiritual bereavement. Liberalism is a mental disease.

KW4MW
11-30-2007, 07:29 PM
Quote[/b] ]I defer to the Doctor on this one. #He has the expertise. . .The Doctor wrote the book, the Doctor made some fine medical points and the Doctor wrote what Wikipedia described. # You don't suppose the Doc had an agenda do you?

Quote[/b] ]It probably is mentally easier being a <s>Republican. #</s> Democrat

After all they have their ingrained beliefs they never waiver from. #They don't have to think about an issue, they just believe a certain way about an issue and stick to it no matter what the facts are. #It really is easier not to think, and reason! #Just believe!See how easy it is to generalize.

Quote[/b] ]Just ask Charles Manson. or N2NH He's the picture of perfect mental health. #Really, he'll be glad to tell you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Quote[/b] ]Maybe most democrats believe that, even though they believe something should be a certain way, they could be wrong with the way they're reasoning. That leaves the floor open for them to change their mind about any subject in favor of the majority around them. They're willing to accept their views may be wrong. With that being said, you could easily come to the conclusion you're not the rock of mental stability.

Republicans, on the other hand, believe they're 100% right all the time. They have closed the doors of debate in their own minds. Looking at our stupid President when he's giving a speech is proof of that. Republicans couldn't care less what the majority thinks. After all, the Republicans are chosen of god and believe they're above all of us.That is one of the silliest comments ever made on here. #Where did you ever get an idea like that? #You must be listening to too much of Hillary on CNN. #Do you really think that your definition of Dems and Repubs is that simplistic?

Quote[/b] ]Speaking of professionals, when's the last time you had a visit to the shrink?It's been a while actually - part of a grieving process - nothing to be ashamed of really - quite unlike the stigma you are trying to imply. #A few sessions on the couch would probably do you a world of good.


Well this has been fun #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif # As usual the responses were typically emotional instead of being insightful. #

However I have to take the dog for a walk. #It's come to the point that I'd rather watch her squeeze something out (at least it's meaningful) then to have to read an anymore of your labored, futile and yes even funny attempts to spin this in the other direction.

It's a poll for Christ's sake. #Personally I don't believe it one way or another but I knew I could count on the usual suspects for their emotional outpouring.

Y'all have a good day. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

n2nh
11-30-2007, 07:46 PM
Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,14:29)]Quote[/b] ]I defer to the Doctor on this one. He has the expertise. . .The Doctor wrote the book, the Doctor made some fine medical points and the Doctor wrote what Wikipedia described. You don't suppose the Doc had an agenda do you?

I don't know. Why don't you ask him? Better yet, why don't you ask yourself this: why do you think he was willing to risk his medical license, tenure and job by making things up to satisfy this 'scenario' you just came up with?

Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,14:29)]Quote[/b] ]Just ask Charles Manson. or N2NH He's the picture of perfect mental health. Really, he'll be glad to tell you. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
You know when you use the word Quote[/b] ]QUOTE it's supposed to be the direct wording that you've quoted.

Quote[/b] ]QUOTE
3b: to give exact information on

This little exercise in manipulation is more proof that you have mere threads of imaginations rather than a reality. Don't worry, you're not alone. Rush takes Oxy-contin for the same reason. This also means that you have absolutely no reason to be taken as a responsible adult since you have no scruples. To misquote with impunity is more about attempting to put words into peoples mouths. To fit your delusions? Certainly not healthy behavior.

BTW, Yes, NH is a very good person to ask. NH had to pass 2 written and 2 direct interviews in a psyc session with a Psychiatrist to get his job. Passed with flying colors I was told. NH also has a friend who is a psychologist and went out with another psychologist for 3 months. Hm, I doubt if they'd be palling around with a psycho. OTOH, I defer to the Doctors in this instance too. After all, I can say I'm the King of Jupiter, but that wouldn't make it so would it?

Yes Mike, as usual, your responses have been emotional and childish. Proof was linked to, you couldn't refute it so you engaged in some very telling not so normal behavior.

Remember Mike. The couch is your friend. The couch is your friend...

K0RGR
12-01-2007, 03:20 AM
Well, it is fairly apparent that the Republican'ts are driving the Democrats crazy!

Republican'ts do not tend to see a glass half full - they tend to see it as overflowing with champagne, even if it's a serving of Ripple in a dirty paper cup.

N2RJ
12-01-2007, 03:29 AM
Many Republicans are crazy. They just don't know it.

W4HAY
12-01-2007, 08:51 PM
The lib's attempts to 'explain' this poll just show they go thru life with their brain's B+ supply switched off!

w5klb
12-01-2007, 09:09 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 30 2007,20:20)]Well, it is fairly apparent that the Republican'ts are driving the Democrats crazy!
That would be a short trip. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KA8NCR
12-01-2007, 11:05 PM
Quote[/b] ]
Republicans are significantly more likely than Democrats or independents to rate their mental health as excellent


Maybe the data indicates that Democrats know they're crazy and Republicans are just in denial.

K2WH
12-02-2007, 01:23 AM
Well this is very reassuring. #I thought I was going nuts and it was actually the rest of the country. Who knew?

Nutty Dems (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314491,00.html)

K2WH

n2ize
12-02-2007, 01:37 AM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Nov. 30 2007,10:51)]So why do so many Democrats think (feel) they suffer from poor mental health than Independants and Republicans? Anyone??? Anyone???
It stems from guilt. #Since democrats are supporting a 2 faced party. At least when I vote republican I know what I am voting for. A guy or gal who is bought and paid for by large corporate interests who is going to work to maximize profits for a select few while weakening and trashing the remnants of the once so bold middle class. Now,when you votefor a democtratyou are voting for a guy or gal who is also bought and paid for by corporate money but who will lie and do everything he can to convince you he is on your side and is working in the interests of the average everyday middle class American. Then, once you vote for him he does a 180 on you and completely turns against you, jumps ship and joins the other side. After that happens time and time again you start to feel suckered and you feel guilty for supporting such two faced candidates again and again. It is mentally draining and debilitating. That is why democrats tend to report more mental health problems than republicans.

Now, for those of us who are neither we don't suffer from that problem. We simply realize people are screwed up and will never change no matter what we say. Instead we laugh and humor ourselves with the whole mess and for meaning we latch onto abstract ideas that seem to make sense.

KA8NCR
12-02-2007, 01:48 AM
I appreciate how the data is twisted to imply that Republicans are mentally healthy while Democrats are not. That isn't what the data says. It only says that Republicans, when asked about their mental health, say they they are healthy. That's it.

Fox News interprets it as &quot;The reason the relationship exists between being a Republican and more positive mental health is unknown..&quot; which is not what the survey says. Since the respondents are not likely to be mental health professionals, the study simply indicates that that Republicans *think* they have good mental health. It doesn't mean that they are more healthy since many of them could be on Lexipro at the time of the survey, and anyone who has taken that gem of modern chemistry will attest that a daily dose of that makes you feel pretty damned good about getting a root canal.

Furthermore, this is a single survey and not an exhaustive study. They haven't even reproduced it or divulged where the respondents were surveyed. Hell, the Democrats could have been all standing in an unemployment line.

Talk about crap.

n2nh
12-02-2007, 02:56 AM
Now, it's not crap. Mikey the scholar sez it isn't and so does Bill who sez Fox is real news, but the Times isn't. Of course they're more sane than anyone else. We wouldn't have it any other way...

(Where's that freekin' net?!?)
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W4DFW
12-02-2007, 09:23 PM
This poll is not surprising. Democrats typically are angry at something and want to change the world. They need to invest the government to do that, hence the desire for government intrusion into all aspects of our lives. Democrats typically are more apt to be jealous of others success and want to blame someone else rather than themselves for their lack of success. It's no secret that Republicans tend to have more wealth, more success, attend church more and tend NOT to want the Government involved in their day to day lives.

If you tend to rob Peter to pay Paul, you will likely have the support of Paul! Hence, why the poor are typically Democrats.

So Republicans are delusional and don't realize it, hence the poll results?? Well, what's the excuse for the Democrats who claim their mental health is worse?? Maybe they just ain't smart enough to know how to become successful so they can be happy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KI4PEQ
12-06-2007, 01:25 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Nov. 30 2007,10:33)]Quote[/b] (KW4MW @ Nov. 30 2007,11:31)]Quote[/b] ]A) Self praise is no praise.

B) It's nice to see they're consistent and that the delusions continue long after they switch off Fox and Rush.

2nh opinion - not necessarily a fact #- but at least you're starting to think for yourself. # Way to go!
In fact I can prove Neocon mental illness. #They've voted in someone just as delusional as they are. #Twice.

Neocon Nuts (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/interviews/049)
My nuts still itch.

w3bny
12-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Funny, in the heights of my bipolar disease I was a republican, recognize I was fubar and needed help I was a Democrat. Go figure!

w3scm
12-06-2007, 02:55 PM
Well, N2IZE once again hits the nail on the head. Well put, John, and all too true.

I am glad that ONE poster has the intellectual honesty to look at this question without projecting child-like bias onto it.

And FTR, the validity of self-report in this subject area depends on a lot of things, not the least of which is how questions are phrased. And yes, crazy people often do not realize they are, but most people are not crazy and DO recognize it.

It's an interesting study but one doubts that you can draw any broad conclusions from it, at least, without repeating it a few times to see if you get the same result. Whicjh I doubt you would, personally.

al2i
12-06-2007, 05:10 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 01 2007,17:37)]Instead we laugh and humor ourselves with the whole mess and for meaning we latch onto abstract ideas that seem to make sense.
Abstract values collide with concrete realities in the cauldron of politics.

n2ize
12-06-2007, 05:49 PM
Quote[/b] (w3scm @ Dec. 06 2007,07:55)]Well, N2IZE once again hits the nail on the head. #Well put, John, and all too true.

I am glad that ONE poster has the intellectual honesty to look at this question without projecting child-like bias onto it.

And FTR, the validity of self-report in this subject area depends on a lot of things, not the least of which is how questions are phrased. #And yes, crazy people often do not realize they are, but most people are not crazy and DO recognize it.

It's an interesting study but one doubts that you can draw any broad conclusions from it, at least, without repeating it a few times to see if you get the same result. #Whicjh I doubt you would, personally.
But please, bear in mind a couple of key points...

1) The poll asks the people to self describe their own mental state. It does not mean that their self diagnosis is the actual case. All in all I don't take this poll to be a particularly viable indicator of #true &quot;mental health&quot; as you have pointed out.

2) My feelings on democratic guilt are based on my own reflections. One reason I find it difficult to vote for or support most mainstream dems is that the party has become extremely 2 faced. The have become a party that routinely sucker punches their voters and supporters.

al2i
12-06-2007, 06:06 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Dec. 06 2007,09:49)]The have become a party that routinely sucker punches their voters and supporters.
Why don't they just concentrate on ever-more intrusive government as is their tradition? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

KA8NCR
12-06-2007, 08:55 PM
Quote[/b] (W4DFW @ Dec. 02 2007,14:23)]This poll is not surprising. #Democrats typically are angry at something and want to change the world. #They need to invest the government to do that, hence the desire for government intrusion into all aspects of our lives. #Democrats typically are more apt to be jealous of others success and want to blame someone else rather than themselves for their lack of success. #It's no secret that Republicans tend to have more wealth, more success, attend church more and tend NOT to want the Government involved in their day to day lives. #

If you tend to rob Peter to pay Paul, you will likely have the support of Paul! Hence, why the poor are typically Democrats.

So Republicans are delusional and don't realize it, hence the poll results?? Well, what's the excuse for the Democrats who claim their mental health is worse?? Maybe they just ain't smart enough to know how to become successful so they can be happy. # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
You very well could be correct, but you can't read that interpretation into the above because:

1. Insufficient sample size.
2. Survey not repeated.
3. Respondents are not mental health professionals and are unqualified to diagnose themselves.
4. Sampling techniques were not disclosed and thus, are to be assumed biased.

I don't care which way they're biased. I think Lewis Black had the right idea when he said that if you're still a Republican or Democrat after the past 15 years, you're seriously hallucinating.

Lewis Black Nominates Santa for President (http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=131096&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=%2F&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true)

NL7W
12-06-2007, 09:07 PM
Quote[/b] (KA8NCR @ Dec. 06 2007,12:55)]3. Respondents are not mental health professionals and are unqualified to diagnose themselves.
Spoken like a true Liberal...

Ah... you don't believe one's &quot;self&quot; knows his or her own relative state of mind better someone else. Unless all of the respondents are clearly insane, the only correct belief is that they really do &quot;know&quot; themselves.

Clearly NCR holds no credence in his very own thoughts, feelings, and wellness perceptions, or the self perceptions of others. He's saying everyone must have a shrink to tell him/her how he/she feels. Just another example why dumbocrats wish to intrude into every aspect of our lives -- for we know not what we do or how we feel. It's just more sheeple &quot;mind-control&quot; -- the brain-washed following the blind.

N8UZE
12-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Also mental health or lack thereof does not mean a person is sane or crazy. Those who suffer from depression are not crazy but do have a mental health problem. Some mental health problems are actually physically based and are brought on by chemical imbalances in the system.

One might even consider simple mental stress as one form of being mentally unhealthy. Certainly one does not function well under certain types of stress.

People who are chronically unhappy may perhaps consider themselves to be mentally unhealthy yet they are hardly crazy.

I look back at my life and that of my family and see differences in happiness and perhaps even mental health due to the differences in happiness. When I was young, my family was dirt poor, so poor that if we were in some sections of the country that we might have been called &quot;poor white trash&quot;. My sister was miserable because we were poor. She could see no way out of being poor and she wanted to be accepted by all the in-people. Since she was not, she was most unhappy. On the other hand, I also saw how poor we were but I &quot;knew&quot; that I would not always be so. I &quot;knew&quot; that somehow I would find to follow my desire of going to college. So I focused on my goal (i.e. studying, saving money, later researching grants, scholarships, loans, schools) and pursued that goal with single-mindedness. I didn't care if I was accepted by the in-crowd or not. As a consequence, I was happy throughout my childhood.

I think it all boiled down to perception. I believed that I had some control over the direction of my life. My sister believed that she had no control over the direction of her life and was stuck. I was happy and she was not.