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What universities have SH** Shoveling masters degree programs? Do they have to also take a state license exam? Looks like lucrative federal employment is possible with one of those degrees. I was thinking about my son who's a high school senior. He needs a career!
<a href="http://www.badcopnews.com/2007/11/13/crazed-national-park-service-ranger-threatens-muir-beach-california-disaster-council-liais
on-with-taser-weapon-detains-him-in-handcuffs-for-an-hour-and-cites-him-for-cleaning-up-oi
l-on-beach/" target="_blank">Shovel it, go to jail!</a>
Oh, only in amerika!!!
n2ize
11-14-2007, 12:23 AM
He was in an area where he didn't belong. Cleanup is a difficult process involving more than simply picking up garbage. It must be done in such a way that you don't upset the extremely delicate balance of the local ecosystem.
N3ATS
11-14-2007, 12:28 AM
So much for thinking globally and acting locally. He was probably interfering with a lucrative no-bid contract.
kb2vxa
11-14-2007, 12:48 AM
A sticky situation for sure.
kf6rdn
11-14-2007, 01:05 AM
Quote[/b] (NC5P @ Nov. 13 2007,16:16)]What universities have SH** Shoveling masters degree programs? Do they have to also take a state license exam? Looks like lucrative federal employment is possible with one of those degrees. I was thinking about my son who's a high school senior. He needs a career!
<a href="http://www.badcopnews.com/2007/11/13/crazed-national-park-service-ranger-threatens-muir-beach-california-disaster-council-liais
on-with-taser-weapon-detains-him-in-handcuffs-for-an-hour-and-cites-him-for-cleaning-up-oi
l-on-beach/" target="_blank">Shovel it, go to jail!</a>
Oh, only in amerika!!!
Yes.
The other names for them are political science majors, or politicians for short.
K0RGR
11-14-2007, 01:50 AM
Absolutely unbelievable!
Why do the sheeple in California put up with this?
This is why volunteerism is dead. The "professionals" will arrest you if you try to take away their overtime pay.
kb9xn
11-14-2007, 01:51 AM
According to the article that I read this afternoon, he was on his own property on MUIR BEACH and he had the assistance of 10 monks.
The Forest Service handcuffed him and forced him to lay on the wet sand for over an hour!
The story did not give an explanation as to why he was forced to lay on the wet sand for over an hour. The article did say that the Forest Service people said he got belligerent!
kg4kww
11-14-2007, 12:15 PM
Dumb
N8UZE
11-14-2007, 12:19 PM
Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 13 2007,21:51)]According to the article that I read this afternoon, he was on his own property on MUIR BEACH and he had the assistance of 10 monks.
The Forest Service handcuffed him and forced him to lay on the wet sand for over an hour!
The story did not give an explanation as to why he was forced to lay on the wet sand for over an hour. #The article did say that the Forest Service people said he got belligerent!
No he was on the beach below his property. The beach did not belong to him.
n9lya
11-14-2007, 12:25 PM
Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 13 2007,13:51)]According to the article that I read this afternoon, he was on his own property on MUIR BEACH and he had the assistance of 10 monks.
The Forest Service handcuffed him and forced him to lay on the wet sand for over an hour!
The story did not give an explanation as to why he was forced to lay on the wet sand for over an hour. #The article did say that the Forest Service people said he got belligerent!
Wow wouldn't... So much for the land of the FREE..
if it was his proerty. i say he just like the rest of us are loosing freedoms everyday... Just becuase some A** thinks its ok to be an A**..
Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 13 2007,18:51)]According to the article that I read this afternoon, he was on his own property on MUIR BEACH and he had the assistance of 10 monks.
The Forest Service handcuffed him and forced him to lay on the wet sand for over an hour!
The story did not give an explanation as to why he was forced to lay on the wet sand for over an hour. #The article did say that the Forest Service people said he got belligerent!
I don`t blame him for getting bellicose at all...Might it be possible to obtain a degree in Under Water Basket Weaving or Chewed Gum analyst also? Get arrested for peeling gum from under your own shoes.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Nov. 13 2007,17:23)]He was in an area where he didn't belong. Cleanup is a difficult process involving more than simply picking up garbage. It must be done in such a way that you don't upset the extremely delicate balance of the local ecosystem.
YES! So that would imply anyones sidewalk is also an "ECO SENSITIVE AREA" and possibly our own toilets also? MAN I am BREAKING THE LAW and UPSETTING AN ECO FREAK!! I need a psychobabblist to "adjust" my thinking so I won`t pick up Doggy refuse from my own "ECO SENSITIVE LAWN AND SIDE WALK!!!!nor FLUSH THE TOILET among other infractions! PLEAS GET A PRO TO DO IT FOR ME!!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Some people come from the Planet of California.....
K8MHZ
11-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Did he give the oil back or was he intending on keeping it?
At 100 dollars a barrel for crude he could have been charged with theft as well. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KD6NIG
11-14-2007, 03:10 PM
If the area is so ecologically challenged that special teams need to pick up trash and excrement, why are people allowed to even go there, and allow their dogs to do their business there?
You'd think it would be roped off and patrolled by blackwater if they take cleanup that seriously!
KL1ZB
11-14-2007, 04:45 PM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Nov. 12 2007,18:23)]He was in an area where he didn't belong. Cleanup is a difficult process involving more than simply picking up garbage. It must be done in such a way that you don't upset the extremely delicate balance of the local ecosystem.
Are you serious??? If the beach is covered in oil I seriously doubt that they could do anymore harm to the "extremely delicate balance of the local ecosystem".
W8EFA
11-14-2007, 05:24 PM
I have been to Muir beach and his property overlooks the beach which is parkland, it is not his property. #The closest propert is at least a few miles away from what I remember.
Second of all he and his Monk friends picked up 7000 pounds of waste and put in Garbage bags! #What were they going to do with it?
There are probably disposal issues, liability issues, health hazard issssues that the professionals who arrived need to consider and enforce.
They asked him 3 times to leave! #Why didn't he just leave when the authorities asked?
If he was so worried about the beach he should have been happy that the professionals were there to take care of it and left. This guy had issues IMO.
G0GQK
11-14-2007, 11:16 PM
Seems you've got just as many nutters as we have in the UK.
Last year a man was taken to court by his local council for shovelling sand off his garden. He lives by the sea, the sea was very stormy and transferred the beach, from the beach, into his garden.
The old chap nearly had a heart attack doing this and he nearly had a second one when some nosey council jobsworth saw him shovelling the sand off his property and reported him for littering, or stealing council property or something only a gormless council official could think up.
Can' t we find a way of getting rid of these kind of people ?
G0GQK
"We're supposed to discourage people who haven't been trained not to clean up the oil, but the surfers have been doing a better job of cleaning it up than anyone else." (http://www.surfline.com/surfnews/article_bamp.cfm?id=12226)
Cortland
KA5S
K0RGR
11-15-2007, 12:57 AM
I just sent a copy of that one to a blog run by my Bay Area buddies. I'll wait to see what they say. There's probably a whole 'nuther side to this. I thought the governator was supposed to restore sanity to government.
I'm sorry, but anyone with a name "Sigward" should be arrested or at least his parents for giving him the name. And, what's with the Buddist Monk crew? Only in Kalifornia.
K2WH
Quote[/b] (NC5P @ Nov. 13 2007,16:16)]What universities have SH** Shoveling masters degree programs? Do they have to also take a state license exam? Looks like lucrative federal employment is possible with one of those degrees. I was thinking about my son who's a high school senior. He needs a career!
<a href="http://www.badcopnews.com/2007/11/13/crazed-national-park-service-ranger-threatens-muir-beach-california-disaster-council-liais
on-with-taser-weapon-detains-him-in-handcuffs-for-an-hour-and-cites-him-for-cleaning-up-oi
l-on-beach/" target="_blank">Shovel it, go to jail!</a>
Oh, only in amerika!!!
Thanks for sharing that OM. You can tell a lot about someone and whether you want them living around your neighborhood by whether they support the officials in an action like this.
kk7ue
11-15-2007, 02:46 AM
Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Nov. 14 2007,16:16)]Can' t we find a way of getting rid of these kind of people ?
Nothin an AK and a banana clip couldnt fix
sorry couldnt resist http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kg4kww
11-15-2007, 03:08 AM
Leave the guy alone, let him clean.
N7CPC
11-15-2007, 04:00 AM
I liked the Barbie Cummings link at right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
k4kyv
11-15-2007, 09:02 AM
Quote[/b] (N7CPC @ Nov. 15 2007,04:00)]I liked the Barbie Cummings link at right! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwDVyCUccv8
K0HWY
11-15-2007, 09:28 AM
“It was pretty wet and uncomfortable,” he said Saturday. “This is very frustrating, and it was completely avoidable.”
Do ya think? Staying away and minding your own business would have been a nice place to start. But even for those with a complete lack of common sense, this fate was pretty much a predictable outcome of refusing to obey the orders of those who are trained to handle these situations.
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Nov. 15 2007,01:28)]“It was pretty wet and uncomfortable,” he said Saturday. “This is very frustrating, and it was completely avoidable.”
Do ya think? Staying away and minding your own business would have been a nice place to start. But even for those with a complete lack of common sense, this fate was pretty much a predictable outcome of refusing to obey the orders of those who are trained to handle these situations.
Shouldn't he have actually been tasered a bit as well? Threats of tasering have so little impact, and there he was on the very beach that God gave to the uniformed government employees for eternal stewardship.
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Nov. 15 2007,01:28)]“It was pretty wet and uncomfortable,” he said Saturday. “This is very frustrating, and it was completely avoidable.”
Do ya think? Staying away and minding your own business would have been a nice place to start. But even for those with a complete lack of common sense, this fate was pretty much a predictable outcome of refusing to obey the orders of those who are trained to handle these situations.
If he lived there it probably was "minding his own business".
Actually, I have received quite a lot of training for spill response and was even the Incident Commander for one fairly large event, and I would say that the actions of the volunteers in gathering and containing the most easily collectible pollutants was doubtless beneficial to the environment as long as they were not spreading the contamination into a broader area.
As far as following orders is concerned, I prefer not to live in a command society.
Quote[/b] (k8mhz @ Nov. 14 2007,09:07)]Did he give the oil back or was he intending on keeping it?
Give it back? He was supposed to PUT it back!
Cortland
KA5S
WA6MHZ
11-15-2007, 01:02 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Nov. 14 2007,17:57)]I just sent a copy of that one to a blog run by my Bay Area buddies. I'll wait to see what they say. There's probably a whole 'nuther side to this. I thought the governator was supposed to restore sanity to government.
The GOVERNATOR has caved in to the Libs and will do as they say. He needs votes, and since CA is mostly Liberal (actually in area it is conservative, but because of LA and SF, the numbers tilt to lib) he has follow their orders. Shame! He had such great potential!
ac4ut
11-15-2007, 06:29 PM
Quote[/b] (G0GQK @ Nov. 14 2007,16:16)]Seems you've got just as many nutters as we have in the UK.
Last year a man was taken to court by his local council for shovelling sand off his garden. He lives by the sea, the sea was very stormy and transferred the beach, from the beach, into his garden.
The old chap nearly had a heart attack doing this and he nearly had a second one when some nosey council jobsworth saw him shovelling the sand off his property and reported him for littering, or stealing council property or something only a gormless council official could think up.
Can' t we find a way of getting rid of these kind of people ?
G0GQK
You make up the welcome baskets. We will arrange for the boat.
K0HWY
11-16-2007, 01:07 AM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 15 2007,05:18)]Actually, I have received quite a lot of training for spill response and was even the Incident Commander for one fairly large event, and I would say that the actions of the volunteers in gathering and containing the most easily collectible pollutants was doubtless beneficial to the environment as long as they were not spreading the contamination into a broader area.
As far as following orders is concerned, I prefer not to live in a command society.
Then as an incident commander, you would certainly have an understanding of the most basic concept of a well established incident command system, that being accountability. That means no free lancing. All personnel assisting in the clean up should check in for assignment with the staging officer. I would think the last thing you'd want as an incident commander is an injury or fatality resulting from your failure to secure your scene.
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Nov. 15 2007,17:07)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 15 2007,05:18)]Actually, I have received quite a lot of training for spill response and was even the Incident Commander for one fairly large event, and I would say that the actions of the volunteers in gathering and containing the most easily collectible pollutants was doubtless beneficial to the environment as long as they were not spreading the contamination into a broader area.
As far as following orders is concerned, I prefer not to live in a command society.
Then as an incident commander, you would certainly have an understanding of the most basic concept of a well established incident command system, that being accountability. That means no free lancing. All personnel assisting in the clean up should check in for assignment with the staging officer. I would think the last thing you'd want as an incident commander is an injury or fatality resulting from your failure to secure your scene.
That depends entirely on the resources at hand.
If well-meaning ad-hoc volunteer resources are available, the proper response is to support, advise, monitor and otherwise utilize them. I watched this happen in a major, 43,000 acre wildfire that consumed many homes and cabins. Volunteers were helped and protected, not treated like vermin.
K0HWY
11-16-2007, 03:45 AM
Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 15 2007,20:58)]That depends entirely on the resources at hand.
If well-meaning ad-hoc volunteer resources are available, the proper response is to support, advise, monitor and otherwise utilize them. I watched this happen in a major, 43,000 acre wildfire that consumed many homes and cabins. Volunteers were helped and protected, not treated like vermin.
We've used them too. But the keys are, they must be checked in with the staging officer and they must be supervised by qualified personnel who are thoroughly familiar with the incident management system and the assigned task. Again, no free lancers. It's about accountability. Volunteers who like to play Lone Ranger have a huge potential of complicating the incident goals and ultimate objective. Incident commanders who allow their scenes to turn into unorganized free for alls are taking a lot of risks and exposing themselves to huge professional and legal consequences.
KI4PEQ
11-16-2007, 05:52 AM
Quote[/b] (ka5s @ Nov. 14 2007,18:00)]"We're supposed to discourage people who haven't been trained not to clean up the oil, but the surfers have been doing a better job of cleaning it up than anyone else." (http://www.surfline.com/surfnews/article_bamp.cfm?id=12226)
Cortland
KA5S
That's because the surfers have the benefit of Special High Intensity Training in dealing with these matters.
Everyone knows you need Special High Intensity Training to shovel S***!