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W9ASS
11-09-2007, 04:05 PM
Good Morning Gentlemen,
The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know: Do any hams on here use CB (11 meters) at all or do any kind of operating on AM/SSB?
From day one in the amateur radio hobby, I have heard long, emotional tirades from accomplished amateurs about how much they loathe 11 meters and the people who now occupy the band. I, for a time, almost agreed with this because I was so upset of what happened to the CB I used to know. I got into CB radio in 1989 at age 10 (yep, I started my radio hobby with a 500 mw walkie talkie on Channel 14) and have been active on the air on and off from time to time. It was a great hobby as many of my friends had radios and we would talk at night after dinner, after school, on weekends, or any time that might be good to play radio. My personal favorite was the "all nighter", but then again, I digress...
So what did it for you: was it the fact that the FCC "stole" the spectrum from amateurs in 1958? Was it the boom in the mid to late '70's that cause mass chaos and mayhem from 1 to 40 and beyond? Or maybe it was those guys who were selling the Connex Radios that put out 60 watts, have the Confederate Flag on the front and allow the user to talk on 10 meters? There's several reasons for you folks to be angry, but in a sea of anger, is there any advocates for this very simple band?
Like I have said many times before, I am getting back into CB a little bit, frimarily out of nostalgia and the fact that I can try working on them without worrying about being out a large amount of $$$ if I mess something up. Do you use CB? Do you hate it? What's your take on it?
I understand that this will provoke a lot of emotions, good and bad. That's fine. I would like to ask that you not make any stupid jabs at me or my interests. I have received enough of this. I have started threads where people feel it is their duty to insult me, belittle me, and put themselves on a pedestal. I am asking everyone to be civil, and as much as you may disagree, please act like a credit to the amateur radio hobby and respond in a mature manner, if this is possible!
With that said, fire away! I cant wait to hear what you think!
73,
KC9DGM
AA5TE
11-09-2007, 04:14 PM
Yes, I occasionally use CB, both AM and SSB. I talk to one or two "locals", older folks who mainly discuss religion and everyday life. Most of the people around here (mountains in East TN) are just "good ol' boys" who just chit-chat and don't use nearly as much profanity as I've heard on 80M and 14.275 MHz. I've heard just as much, if not more, audio checkin' on 80M as I have CB. I got into scanning and CB first prior to ham radio, and have had a CB all through my ham life.
N5CKC
11-09-2007, 04:35 PM
I still talk cb am and sideband both some. I havent hooked up my little uniden for quite a while but if the urge hits me I have it and an antenna to throw in the truck to key up with.
I do get tired of the trash and "maul dropping" that goes on there and I take it right back out of the truck for a while.
I have no problem with hams operating CB with type accepted CB radios.
However, operating outside of the legal band can result in the loss of your license.
That's one of the big reasons I don't operate on "11 meters."
KD4IFB
11-09-2007, 04:43 PM
Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,09:35)]I have no problem with hams operating CB with type accepted CB radios.
However, operating outside of the legal band can result in the loss of your license. #
That's one of the big reasons I don't operate on "11 meters."
Just be legal... Then theres nothing to worry about.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KD0BQM
11-09-2007, 04:45 PM
I keep a CB HT on 19 all the time 'cause truckers occasionally look for directions and there aren't many folks on CB up here in the sticks. As far as rag chewin' or the like, nope. I just monitor in case I can help.
Hugh - KDØBQM
KD6NIG
11-09-2007, 04:49 PM
I listen to it with an old R/S mobile that I bought when I was 16. I got my Ham License at about age 18 and abandoned it (at least on the transmit side) about a year later.
The R/S radio at that time, and the other one I used to have in my bedroom were put into a box in the garage.
We used to use them as kids like a party line at night. Living in the Sierra in a valley surrounded by hills, once the skip went away we heard nothing but locals. We all ran 4W am, some of us had SSB but never used it being this close. Kept the phones from being tied up and more than 2 people being in the convo.
My parents got flooded with about a foot of water in the house and the box was still in the garage. It got a little damp but wasn't in the water. I'm sure if I troubleshot the CB I could get the transmit to work again, but I only listen now anyway so I never bothered with it. I have it hooked to an old magmount sitting on a bracket outside the window.
The entertainment around here is locals talking on 17 because the truckers use it, the truckers getting mad, and it goes back and forth. There are a few that either run power or are very close-no S-Meter on the radio, just a TX/RX LED and the channel number. I think I paid $25 for it at R/S when I bought it years ago.
Except for "smokey reports" and "Traffic reports" most of the truckers that come into the facility I work at don't use them anymore. Most of them listen to Sat Radio now to stay awake instead of relying on the CB.
Its still active around here though. Besides the 17 crowd there are usually people on 13 or 20 in the evening, especially Friday and Saturday night. Some are quite drunk usually. I guess if they are home on the radio its better than being out on the road though.
But I haven't called for a "Break" now in 14 years roughly. But where we lived, having one in the car was handy, especially since my friends had them too. Cellphones don't work up there still, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are still using them up there to BS in the evenings. We used channel 21. Dunno why, thats just where we were.
We do when riding our motorcycles - which is a lot in the summertime.
Here's a J & M Corp handlebar-mounted unit; covers all 40 channels and has Weatheradio RX capabilites. You can also feed the audio from an MP3 player or similar device to it.
One of these is mounted on my XYL's Gold Wing; we use the auxillary audio input with her VX7R - which is mounted on the right-side bar half. I designed and built an interface for the Yaesu which lets her use a helmet-mounted mic/speaker setup with either radio, on demand.
Both of my touring bikes have the Hondaline CB units attached. Their control heads are similar in appearance and function to the J & M unit.
http://www.jmcorp.com/media/cbaudio_d.jpg
W0LPQ
11-09-2007, 04:51 PM
I have 1.5 CB radios. One ECI Courier was placed on 10M AM within hours after I got it. The other .5 is a set of Hy-Gain boards, likewise on 10AM.
Never transmitted on any CB and have not listened in over 15 years.
I don't care what they do .. so long as they stay on their assigned 40 channels.
Bill, W0LPQ/9
Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 09 2007,11:43)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,09:35)]I have no problem with hams operating CB with type accepted CB radios.
However, operating outside of the legal band can result in the loss of your license. #
That's one of the big reasons I don't operate on "11 meters."
Just be legal... Then theres nothing to worry about.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
As far as the "legal 40" go, I only monitor on my ham rig in the car.
It's mostly for traffic and smokey reports though.
I have never operated CB, however, I have met many new amateur operators over the years who have graduated from CB to amateur radio. I must say that all the former CB'ers that I have known, have become valuable additions to the local amateur radio community.
73,
Frank http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
The new "youth of our country" Ham that NCI promised...
KD4IFB
11-09-2007, 05:17 PM
I myself havent operated on 11M in a long time.. But it was the birthplace of where what is now my Ham hobby..And Ive been a Ham for 15 yrs..Ive thought about putting up another station, but for whats out there now, I wont..Maybe later.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Between 11M and my father who is a Ham, and has been longer than me..Ive learned alot over the years, and are still learning everyday...Its a life long adventure that you start somewhere and climb the stairs of knowledge one step at a time. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Its not an overnight success thing..It takes years...But anyway back to the thread... Probably will, waiting just a little while longer though.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KE5FRY
11-09-2007, 05:24 PM
My old CB callsign was KBME6802 as near as I can remember. I always did try to play it straight. I probably wouldn't work 11M again unless I went back to truck driving.
I use CB from time to time on the motorcycle 'cause it's fairly common on bikes - and pretty darn handy also. Not a thing wrong with CB, just wrong the way it's used sometimes - just as sometimes ham bands get used wrong.
73 de Ken H.
W4GLM
11-09-2007, 05:38 PM
Since you guys are asking, NO I do not talk 11 meters at all.
Since I live in the country and have a yard full of towers, I
was asked in the past if I ever repaired any 11 meter rigs.
The answer is YES, most repair's are reverse polarity diodes
because the idjits don't know positive from negative, bad
mic's and radios keyed up either without antennas or bad
coax or antenna's.
Put's quite a few $$ in my Ham Radio account.
.......Mac
I used to do some 11 meter operating after getting my ham license. To be honest, listening to the AM noise on 11 meters made me sick so I stopped.
K8YZK
11-09-2007, 05:42 PM
Yes I carry a CB with me when I travel, due to the fact that I am not always within range of a 2meter repeater, and yes there are area's where the cell phone doesn't work either. Just incase of an emergency, or no one answers on a local repeater.
Luckly never had to hook it up, and use it.
Quote[/b] (KC9DGM @ Nov. 09 2007,04:05)]The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know:
What will happen if you don't find out??
Scott NØIU
N0NWO
11-09-2007, 05:43 PM
I have listened to the cb bands once in a while on my HF rig. So far, there has been no activity up here to make it worth setting one up again. 16 years ago when I first got into ham, there were several older CBers I used to talk with. We would talk for hours on end on channel 14 and had a ball. I miss those round table talks but there is no one around here to talk to on cb like that any more. All I ever hear is about a half dozen cussing local truckers.
Minton
Quote[/b] (n0iu @ Nov. 09 2007,10:43)]Quote[/b] (KC9DGM @ Nov. 09 2007,04:05)]The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know:
What will happen if you don't find out??
He'll turn blue in the face and collapse?
WA7KKP
11-09-2007, 05:47 PM
Back around 1977 or so, I was active in a CB group while at college. Unlike most, they used callsigns, and pretty much toed the line on Part 95. I was . . . KST0469, and ran a Johnson Messenger II (the blackface one). When I ressurected it from the dead, I took out all the modifications, and made it 100% stock. I used to get great compliments on the audio . . . maybe because I wasn't trying to get every last watt out of it, and no echo or roger beep . . .
Sad to say, they are the exception rather than the rule.
Gary WA7KKP
I haven't worked 11 meters in 30 years, but back then it was really alot of fun and the ops around here (a very few of them active hams) as were careful as hams about profanity and poor operating. #Then, it seems like out of no where, everybody got a CB set for Christmas and the profanity started and some morons actually started threatening each other. #It just got crazy and I couldn't have the CB rig turned on in the car with my kids because of the language on the band. #So I gave the rig I had away. #I can understand the forum originator's "nostalgia", because, believe me, if it could be like it was back 30 plus years ago, I'd probably get back on myself once in awhile. #What the heck, except for "drive times" nobody frequents the repeaters anymore. #I guess it isn't just CB that changed over the years, is it? #In all these years, however, I've never encountered profanity on CW or RTTY or Packet and now that I'm work PSK, I haven't heard any there yet either. #Just an observation.....:D
73,
Tom
K2TFS (ex Brass Monkey)
N4CYA
11-09-2007, 05:50 PM
Someone say Cb Radio World? Include me before I got licensed as Ham Operator I was into Cb Radio's for 12 1/2 year's of my life my first radio was a Cobra 25ltd classic before upgrading up to the 29ltd classic than after that a Galaxy 88hl then to 99v, 48t and my favorite radio was the Magnum S-9 with the blue l/e/d knobs. I wanted to keep the radio for back up just in case I wanted to get back into the hobby but since channel 19 was the channel I listened to when I was on the road traveling time to time going to different states I loved that S-9 best talking radio I ever had!
I met alot of nice people in my home town before everyone either past on or went away from the hobby. I helped alot of the new comers that came around and spoke to me on the home channel as we called it
KC2PBJ
11-09-2007, 05:52 PM
Have not touched 11 meters since it was turned over to the CB service. Once I got my Novice license (1960), never returned. Nothing personal, just did not like the way things changed on the air.
KA4DPO
11-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Quote[/b] (KC9DGM @ Nov. 09 2007,11:05)]Good Morning Gentlemen,
The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know:
73,
KC9DGM
Why ?
I do,
Pretty busy interchange here in town,I give out directions whenever I can.
Do not ragchew much, Most people pass thru pretty quick.
Its nice on highway trips,Last time thru Elkins WVa I learned some school busses in the country use them to announce for the kids to come out! (and for ma to know the kids got dropped off after school and are on the way in)
Rege
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Nov. 09 2007,11:41)]Quote[/b] (KC9DGM @ Nov. 09 2007,11:05)]Good Morning Gentlemen,
The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know:
73,
KC9DGM
Why ?
For perhaps the same reason that people stick their fingers into <span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>Wet Paint</span></span> ?
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 09 2007,10:11)]The new "youth of our country" Ham that NCI promised...
That's funny!!!!
The NCI group is changing their name to NTI (no test international)
You see, the written test is still a major stumbling block to the illiterate in society, and NTI is seeking to remove that barrier.
They are still targeting the diptards of 11 meters but, now they want the larger base.
The ones who cannot read nor walk up-right.
KI4ITI
11-09-2007, 07:07 PM
I don't have anything against CB as long as it's used legally. I have a handheld in my truck and a mag-mount antenna I'll use if I have a reason to do so. Sometimes if I'm in the woods with CB-equipped friends or if I'm with my parents and their RVing friends, it comes in handy.
I quit monitoring when my daily commute started taking me right past a popular interstate truck stop where a couple of channels were regularly being used to hawk everything from pirated software to sexual services. Didn't have any desire to listen to that garbage.
As so many have said, it's what the CB culture has become - not the frequency or the technology.
73
Josh KI4ITI
N7SGM
11-09-2007, 07:09 PM
Ahh yes, 11M CB! It has been sort of a natural progression for me in the radio world. As a youngster, I started out by asking for and getting a pair of walkie-talkies, for Christmas one year. Then in the CB craze during the seventies, I got my FCC license / call, for CB. CB was great fun and a way to keep in touch with many local friends that you associated with only over the airwaves. CB's then were so popular that I had an old 23 channel that was stolen out of my pick-up truck. Sounds crazy I know, but CB was a big thing. Then I got away from CB until some years passed and I met a new neighbor who was a ham. He invited me to check out his ham shack and 10M which was right at the top of a solar cycle peak. That did it for me. I attended an entry level ham class and got my Novice ticket, and then my Technician ticket just weeks later. A few years ago before the advent of the FRS/GMRS radios, my big game hunting partners and I used 40 channel CB handies to keep in touch afield. CB HT's were great for this purpose and were also cheap to buy. I think they still provide a valuable purpose and I do listen from time to time. Many pro drivers are now using 2M radios. It's just too bad that a few renegades had to ruin this band for so many others who used it according to the rules. Bottom line: I like CB and hope it sticks around.
'73
Bob
Matt,
It's really simple: If CB'ers would just stay in their allocation and stay legal, none of us would know or care about CB.
As it is, we hear them splattering across many MHz of radio spectrum, we hear them live on ten meters, and in some cases we (Amateur radio operators) get the blame when RFI issues raise their ugly heads.
Occasionally I too, carry a CB in my van. It is good for a listen from time to time. I notice that the content has not changed much from the early '70's when I was first on CB. As long as the "skip" is not in, its mostly truck drivers chatting about their jobs.
During my stint as an Amateur radio operator, I have heard all the things I said in my first paragraph, and that is why I for one, get really torqued off with the CB crowd.
You did ask... But it is funny sometimes how the QRZ denizens can get so carried away with hate and discontent whenever the subject of CB comes around...
cul es 73 Gary WG7X
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N6KKK
11-09-2007, 07:12 PM
my icom doesnt even have 11 meters in it ! no problem
being on the wrong freq. for me . did all my cb'ing driving
truck . disabled now so have no need . 40 meters solves that problem ! ........... n6kkk ........... steve
K0RGR
11-09-2007, 07:13 PM
The whole issue with CB dates back to when FCC gave a darn about how CBer's operated in their then-23 channel world.
Way back when, you had to have a legal CB license, use a callsign, no profanity, and no skip. It was never really intended for hobby use, at all. It was meant as a utility for families and small businesses to talk to their own mobiles - not to "MudPuppy" in Louisiana.
So, when the CB craze hit in the 70's all of the popular operation was illegal. Eventually, of course, FCC gave up on licensing it, and I doubt that they've cited anybody for "shooting skip" for 40 years. They still care very much about out-of-band operation and running more than the allowed 5 watts, and will whack your knuckles extremely hard if they catch you.
As long as you are law-abiding, I don't care what you do on CB, FRS, GMRS, or anywhere else. I've certainly used it for its intended purpose - though never as a hobby. However, if you're running a half KW on 27 Mhz. and tearing up TV sets and telephones for a half mile, and you are a licensed amateur, you are most definitely not my friend. You will bring scorn on ham radio.
There is a basic requirement for a ham license :"good moral character". Operating ANY radio in a manner that violates FCC rules demonstrates that you do not have good moral character, and are not fit to hold a ham license. SO, there's the bottom line - is what you're doing legal or not? Just because a law is not enforced very well does NOT make it legal.
CB is still not intended for hobby use, and the rules still prohibit "shooting skip". You are limited to 4 watts on AM, and a maximum antenna height of 20 feet above the building it's mounted on. There are many other regulations regarding obscenity, etc., that pretty well mirror those in the amateur radio service.
We have a street here in Rochester that looks like it should have a 50 MPH speed limit, at least. It is a very wide 4-laner that flows into another big boulevard that has a 50 MPH speed limit. But the speed limit on this short street is only 30. EVERYBODY does 50. But they howl bloody murder the one or two times a year that the police pull them over en masse and write tickets.
KB9XN
11-09-2007, 07:17 PM
Holly Smokers...
It took AG4YO 12 other posts before he HAD to make a wise crack.
Does he have to comment on every subject ?
I know that he hates any and all persons who either have a license with out a code test or is remotely related to the 27 mhz band.
What a shame. He is an old retired guy. He should be encouraging the young guys and teaching them how to operate on the ham bands and he should be teaching the young guys about all the various modes and the wonders of ham radio. He should be going to the health club everyday and then stopping for coffee and donuts with his old friends rather than spewing so much hate.
W4BRF
11-09-2007, 07:27 PM
yes #I get on old 11meters every now and then I know 2 hams that stay on old 11meters so I check in with them all along to see whats going on ,with them there is nothing wrong with it, I dont think ,soI am going to keep on doing it ,some #people #will complain #no matter what, cause thats all they got to do ,if they dont complain about #one thing they will complain about #another so life goes on , http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
WA2ZDY
11-09-2007, 07:41 PM
No longer, but I have in the past. As a teenager, the kids I hung with used them, so I got one to keep in touch with friends. And of course there were the channel 14 100mW walkie talkies I had as a child.
I never used my ham rig or did any illegal mods to any CB set I used though. I had too much to lose. You see, I was a ham before I got on CB. I was able to keep them separate and used each appropriately.
(Q- I used to talk to Scotty Flicstein's sister on CB when we were like 15 or so!)
Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 09 2007,14:17)]What a shame. He is an old retired guy. He should be encouraging the young guys
What young guys?
Except me and a few others, of course.
Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 09 2007,14:27)]yes I get on old 11meters every now and then I know 2 hams that stay on old 11meters so I check in with them all along to see whats going on ,with them there is nothing wrong with it, I dont think ,soI am going to keep on doing it ,some people will complain no matter what, cause thats all they got to do ,if they dont complain about one thing they will complain about another so life goes on , http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Let's hope Riley isn't browsing QRZ.
KD4IFB
11-09-2007, 07:58 PM
Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,12:52)]Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 09 2007,14:27)]yes #I get on old 11meters every now and then I know 2 hams that stay on old 11meters so I check in with them all along to see whats going on ,with them there is nothing wrong with it, I dont think ,soI am going to keep on doing it ,some #people #will complain #no matter what, cause thats all they got to do ,if they dont complain about #one thing they will complain about #another so life goes on , http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Let's hope Riley isn't browsing QRZ.
Yea its bad when hams have to return to primary use of 11Ms for the way some hams Ive witnessed have operated in the past years..Its like really sometimes..Whats the difference?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
N5FOG
11-09-2007, 08:00 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 08 2007,12:11)]The new "youth of our country" Ham that NCI promised...
And they say I have chip on my shoulder.
FOG
Quote[/b] (n5fog @ Nov. 09 2007,15:00)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 08 2007,12:11)]The new "youth of our country" Ham that NCI promised...
And they say I have chip on my shoulder.
FOG
No chip here really, but some of these OF newbs are hilarious.
W4BRF
11-09-2007, 08:10 PM
Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,12:52)]Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 09 2007,14:27)]yes #I get on old 11meters every now and then I know 2 hams that stay on old 11meters so I check in with them all along to see whats going on ,with them there is nothing wrong with it, I dont think ,soI am going to keep on doing it ,some #people #will complain #no matter what, cause thats all they got to do ,if they dont complain about #one thing they will complain about #another so life goes on , http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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n2rj-Let's hope Riley isn't browsing QRZ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---( well if he wants to see it he can let me know its ok its a 3 watt uniden cb its perfectly legal ,any time #he wants to #he,s the Boss #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #
AF6HA
11-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,12:50)]Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 09 2007,14:17)]What a shame. #He is an old retired guy. He should be encouraging the young guys
What young guys?
Except me and a few others, of course.
What is the upper limit for being a young guy?
W4BRF
11-09-2007, 08:16 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 09 2007,12:58)]Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Nov. 09 2007,12:52)]Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 09 2007,14:27)]yes #I get on old 11meters every now and then I know 2 hams that stay on old 11meters so I check in with them all along to see whats going on ,with them there is nothing wrong with it, I dont think ,soI am going to keep on doing it ,some #people #will complain #no matter what, cause thats all they got to do ,if they dont complain about #one thing they will complain about #another so life goes on , http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Let's hope Riley isn't browsing QRZ.
Yea its bad when hams have to return to primary use of 11Ms for the way some hams Ive witnessed have operated in the past years..Its like really sometimes..
kd4ifb -Whats the #difference?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----well for some there aint #no difference?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
KA5LQJ
11-09-2007, 08:53 PM
Quote[/b] ]KC9DGM
Posted: Nov. 09 2007,04:05 #
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Good Morning Gentlemen,
The following topic may really aggravate some people, but I really have to know: Do any hams on here use CB (11 meters) at all or do any kind of operating on AM/SSB?
From day one in the amateur radio hobby, I have heard long, emotional tirades from accomplished amateurs about how much they loathe 11 meters and the people who now occupy the band......
So what did it for you: was it the fact that the FCC "stole" the spectrum from amateurs in 1958? ......
Now, having started in radio-electronics in 1958 at age 12 and being elmered, by a ham then, in the classic style of Gentlemanly Ham Radio Operations, I will reply to this mis-statement.
In 1958, Amateur Radio operators were allowed to share the 11 meter Industrial, Scientific, & Medical band, as long as they did not interfere with the allowed users of the band and put up with the interference from the ISM users. #Most of thetraffic on the band was from medical dithermy machines that used the radio waves to warm the skin and joints of medical patients for medical relief purposes. #This was before microwave cookers were invented.
Everything was fine, then the hams got a surprise....skywave propogation and it was off-to-the-races. #They could talk great distances with very little rf power, it was great. #The F.C.C. decided to move the ISM users much farther up in frequency and also wanted to establish a low-cost, personal communications service.They already had a Citizen's Radio Service - Class A & B on assigned channels in the 460-470mc band which allowed for base stations at 60 watts and mobiles at 5 watts with 5mc "splits" for repeaters. # These units were terribly expensive. #The F.C.C already had Class C, a remote-control and signal paging band down between 26.950mcs and 27.255mcs with 30 watt tone paging on 27.255mcs. #The other "channels" were used for R/C plane and car toys.
Well, the F.C.C. decided to put in a Class D - Personal and Business band and divided up some 10kc wide channels, intersperced with the R/C Class C channels and limited to power to 5 watts input, 4 watts output, 80% effeciency. #Since the hams really DIDN'T have a legal right to the band, they were removed, hence, The WAR began. #To make matters worse, when skywave propogation began again, CB'ers started hearing stations in California in the Mid-west and East Coast. #It wasn't hard to figure out as the F.C.C. had issued illegal callsigns for each of the 24 F.C.C. districts. #Here in Louisiana, we were under the New Orleans Field Office so our calls started out 8Q & 8W. #Texas was divided into two, Dallas: 9Q/9W and Houston: 10Q & 10 W. #That's all I can remember right now, LOL! #
Well, didn't take long and there weren't a bazillion CB'ers so folks fell prey and started callin' CQ, well, the F.C.C. didn't like this ham-like operation so, they banned the use of calling "CQ", because you were ONLY supposed to talk to your own mobile units OR relay a message to someone else's mobile or base, under 150 miles from your location. #So, folks got "cutsey" and said, Seek you the ax, LOL! #An this just wasn't a bunch of redneck Southerner's doing this! #It started in California.
NOW, having said this, I happen to have a couple of old, E.F. Johnson Viking Messinger One's, the old "Whiteface's". #I moved BOTH of them to 29.03 and 29.101.0 AM! #The 12BW4 rectifier tubes removed and diode voltage doubler's put in their place, the power supply caps have been changed to higher voltage ratings, the 3,900 ohm 10 w power resistor has been changed to a 390 ohm at 10 watts and a .33mfd mylar cap has been placed in parallel with the 390 ohm resistor. #The audio never goes over 100% and I even have an original "teardrop" Astatic mic on one rig. #The other has a Turner +3 on it, LOL!
Soon, I hope to have my 11 meter Hygain CLR-II, 5/8ths vertical collinear antenna up for 10 meter AM and FM simplex.
LQ^QKing to work a few of you.
Respectfully,
73,
Don/KA5-LQJ
(ex K5-MKE, 8Q3224, KEA-1192,KKR-2747,KOR-0528,
& KAMF-7712)
Grid Sq: #EM-32cl
10/10 #: 53243
3575 kcs. CW
3860 kcs. AM
18.145mcs. SSB
24.975 mcs. SSB
28.345 mcs. SSB
28.365 mcs. SSB - Coffee Cup Net - Net Control
28.410 mcs. SSB - Black Sheep Net
29.101.0 mcs AM - 10/10 AM Net
29.600 mcs FM - Simplex
KC7YPJ
11-09-2007, 09:13 PM
Quote[/b] (kb9xn @ Nov. 09 2007,12:17)]Holly Smokers...
It took AG4YO 12 other posts before he HAD to make a wise crack.
Does he have to comment on every subject ? #
I know that he hates any and all persons who either have a license with out a code test or is remotely related to the 27 mhz band.
What a shame. #He is an old retired guy. He should be encouraging the young guys and teaching them how to operate on the ham bands and he should be teaching the young guys about all the various modes and the wonders of ham radio. # He should be going to the health club everyday and then stopping for coffee and donuts with his old friends rather than spewing so much hate.
and you bought the troll hook line and sinker...
I remember having the cops show up as a small child, something about my grandpa beating my stepdad half to death for smacking my mom, I hid out in the 72 demon with my trusty walky talkie (tnx grandma) I was screwing around with the morse code button and innadvertantly found out it transmitted on or close to ch9 via the rather loud reproduction of my signal via the 23ch siltronix cb in the car, I have the siltronix radio somewhere, along with a nice pretty bone stock rat shack trc-465 ssb radio that I use to talk with a few locals, several of wich are hams also, I started with the 27mhz walkie talkie, got a set of archer space command walkie talkie's (49.860mhz, I'm looking at the circuit card as I type) a few years later, then in my teens I had a mobile and base cb setup (the siltronix) with a slew of other radio's thrown in over the years. I took the time back then to understand why half the idiots in town sounded like crap and splattered everywhere, still amazes me what some of those guys would spend for a garbage linear that if anything degraded there performance (I have a few aquired for next to nothing after they gave up cb or cooked the finals). I've got nothing against 11m as there are idiots on every service (a contest weekend makes the worst 11m pileup look like a preschool class compared to the avg 20m pileup (minus the swearing usually), and for many 11m was a stepping stone on the way to becoming quite proficient and courteous hams...
N4AUD
11-09-2007, 10:05 PM
I've never been a CB'er. I have one I bought for $5, and I can listen to the CB channels on several of the receivers I have here. I haven't heard anything I want to participate in, just a lot of foul language, roger beeps, echos and idiotic faux hillbilly rap (for lack of a better description). I keep hearing that the people who are illegally transmitting on 10 meters "aren't CBers" but I'd bet dollars to donuts they are using modified CB's or 10 meter rigs that are channelized or look like CB's. I know quite a few hams that used to be CBers, but I don't know any that really want to go back to it unless they feel like they want to operate without the burden of rules.
Don't even ask me what I think about so-called "freebanders."
W8GTF
11-09-2007, 10:13 PM
I started out with CB's when I was 14 and played with them for about 2 years. At that point, they had just dropped code for the tech and I was considering getting my ticket. About that time I discovered computers, and wandered off on that adventure.
2 years ago, I met my GF and found out her father was a ham. After talking to him for quite some time, I got my ticket after they dropped the code. After getting my ticket, I got a Radio Shack mobile the same model as my original radio. I've got a 102" SS whip I wanna put up with some home made radials, just for something to do.
I've since gotten an extra of my original model & afew other CB's. I figure I will do my antenna expermination on them. That way if I mess anything up. I'm not really out much.
VO1GXG
11-09-2007, 10:46 PM
Here in Newfoundland,CB is usually occupied by hams with out HF privileges . CB is where i started though i had no one to talk to. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
KC9JIQ
11-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Nov. 09 2007,10:42)]I used to do some 11 meter operating after getting my ham license. To be honest, listening to the AM noise on 11 meters made me sick so I stopped.
I know how you feel. As a ham I feel I have a "duty" to monitor when mobile, LOL somthing from my SWL days!
If we only had FM on CB, AM is just OLD and there is a LOT of static on the CB band, I have to turn up my squelch but then I don't hear distance TX.
WA9SVD
11-09-2007, 11:18 PM
The only time I've used 11 Meters was in the Boy Scouts in the early 60's. Several of us built the little three transistor KnightKit walkie-talkies that had 100 mW (downhill, in a tailwind, so to speak) on a good day with a fresh battery. One scoutmaster even had an amazing (and expensive at the time) three-channel, three watt hand-held! (It weighed a ton, and was almost as big as a breadbox.)
We used them to keep in touch with camp when on a hike. Guess such devices would fall under Part 15 now.
AA0CX
11-09-2007, 11:43 PM
Had CB back in the 70's, during the heyday of it. Got a small unit about 10 years ago and hooked it up in the shack, heard the usual trucker traffic on the interstates, plus what sounded like hookers trolling for action at a nearby truckstop. Those things, and kids running around. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
VE7NOT
11-10-2007, 12:10 AM
CB here AM wise is used byt some truck drivers, small businesses and the odd traveller.
SSB on the otherhand is mostly hams ragchewing. Some are not hams but I have almost never heard any profanity. Some run high power but nothing over 500w.
kd5kfl
11-10-2007, 12:11 AM
Have the equipment, set up and functional, in all vehicles.
Never use it.
NO...............Its a radio sewer...black water.....
KC9JIQ
11-10-2007, 01:28 AM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Nov. 09 2007,17:10)]SSB on the otherhand is mostly hams ragchewing. Some are not hams but I have almost never heard any profanity. #Some run high power but nothing over 500w.
that is because SSB is much more efficient. #
I think it is just silly to run "3 Kilowatts" AM for DX. #SSB would be much better, with less power.
But I've always wondered, is AM modulated CW allowed on CB? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
AI4EP
11-10-2007, 01:52 AM
The BAND aint that bad, it is the basic iq of the operators that make it so bad.
Now am I referring to the cb band or an amateur band ?
KC9ECI
11-10-2007, 02:54 AM
I had a lot of fun on CB back when I was in Junior High/High School. There was a pretty active group of regulars in my area on the air then. I wouldn't mind having an SBE Console II again.
I used CB as well as ham back in my high school and college days. Some of my friends were not interested in getting a ham license but they did have CB's.
It was a trip to a CBer's house that really got me interested in HF radio when I was a kid. Actually just restored an old Lafayette tube CB recently. I turn it on and listen once in a while. Once in a great while I do a "radio check" and somebody says "it's workin" and that is the end of the "QSO" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
KG4ZAR
11-10-2007, 03:29 AM
I started in radio with 11m back in 1973,before "Smokey & the Bandit" and "Convoy". My first rig was a Midland 3 channel with changeable crystals. I'd go hours without hearing anyone.
Beyond that,I suffered through a lot of nonsense from all the trucker wannabes until the band calmed down a bit. Being a driver I still keep a few 11m rigs around(no echo or power mics,I use Astatic or Turner noise cancelling mics)mostly Uniden Grants or Cobra 148s because of the SSB features. The last 15 years my 11m time has been all SSB when I'm not in the big truck.
After all is said,I still like 11m for SSB and for on-the-job directions,although not many drivers are left on 11m. Cell phones have done to 11m CB what they've done to 2m and 2m repeaters.
With due respect to all..that's my three cents worth.
Larry
KG4ZAR
N9SLE
11-10-2007, 03:34 AM
Quote[/b] (n8yx @ Nov. 09 2007,10:50)]We do when riding our motorcycles - which is a lot in the summertime.
Here's a J & M Corp handlebar-mounted unit; covers all 40 channels and has Weatheradio RX capabilites. You can also feed the audio from an MP3 player or similar device to it.
One of these is mounted on my XYL's Gold Wing; we use the auxillary audio input with her VX7R - which is mounted on the right-side bar half. I designed and built an interface for the Yaesu which lets her use a helmet-mounted mic/speaker setup with either radio, on demand.
Both of my touring bikes have the Hondaline CB units attached. Their control heads are similar in appearance and function to the J & M unit.
http://www.jmcorp.com/media/cbaudio_d.jpg
A lot of the guys in my motorcycle club use these for bike-to-bike comms and rider to passenger intercom on our rides. I'm installing one on my V Star this winter.
As for using CB... I rarely ever use it, although I have one installed in my pickup truck for use communicating to other vehicles when taking cross-country trips. Unfortunately not many people I know around here are licensed hams, so we stick to CB of FRS.
KC6TOA
11-10-2007, 06:38 AM
Quote[/b] (KA5LQJ @ Nov. 09 2007,13:53)]They already had a Citizen's Radio Service - Class A & B on assigned channels in the 460-470mc band which allowed for base stations at 60 watts and mobiles at 5 watts with 5mc "splits" for repeaters. These units were terribly expensive.
That was an interesting perspective on the history of CB!
Wow, how many decades has it been since we've been using megahertz instead of megacycles?
There once was an effort in cost-effective class B citizens band transceiver. Its frequency stability was so poor, it was useless.
read about it here:
http://k9sth.com/uploads/restoration.JPG
VE7NOT
11-10-2007, 06:48 AM
Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 09 2007,17:28)]Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Nov. 09 2007,17:10)]SSB on the otherhand is mostly hams ragchewing. Some are not hams but I have almost never heard any profanity. Some run high power but nothing over 500w.
that is because SSB is much more efficient.
I think it is just silly to run "3 Kilowatts" AM for DX. SSB would be much better, with less power.
But I've always wondered, is AM modulated CW allowed on CB? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
If you really want to know.. 11m is as divided up as any ham band.
27.025 (ch 6) am is called 'the superbowl'. Tune to it for a few minutes every day for a week... any SLIGHT opening someone is yelling garbage.. why? some are running 84Kw amps MOBILE!
17 is N-S trucker and 19 is E-W truckers.
Other then that it is ssb and alot as I said are hams. In fact since 11m is on the border between hf anf vhf there is alot to learn locally and dx wise on 11m. Which leads to ham radio.
Above channel 40..
SSB, FM, SSTV, PSK31, CW and at least 4 repeaters in the carrabein operate on 11m.
But simply put ssb cb has little to do with am cb, No handles, 10-codes etc. (not that there is anything wrong with it)
In fact ssbers use Q codes and ham terms instead.
Now if only my cb antenna wouldn't come into my managers cordless phones I would be there more often LOL
KG6YTZ
11-10-2007, 08:19 AM
My two cents...
I bought my first CB in the summer of 1987, and I was rather active - well, as active as I could be while having only a mobile - for the next three years or so. # #The short version of the long story is that as local activity tapered off somewhat after that, and because of a couple of radio malfunctions, I was basically off the air for about a decade. #I bought another mobile rig in 2002 and migrated to mostly SSB operation [a whole different world and [i]not to be confused with AM CB!], but then I got my amateur license.
[Edited to add: #I kept the CB in the car until Oct. 2005, when I removed it in order to make space for an Icom IC-2100H. #I decided it was too much trouble to try to run two rigs in the car, especially when one of them was rarely being used anyway. #The CB now gathers dust in the closet.]
What little activity remains on 11m around here is either Mexicans, trucker chatter, or conversations - and I use the term loosely - of the type that I would never soil myself by participating in, not even back in "the glory days" of the late 1980's.
There is little or nothing on the band to interest me any more.
W0BKR
11-10-2007, 01:24 PM
No, I don't.
There sure are a lot of proud cber’s on here http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
W0WLS
11-10-2007, 02:32 PM
I use to have a CB setting around the house and would engage in an occational local ragchew or catch the prop good and work DX on 27.385LSB. Not any more. Local talk has turned to trash and as we all know the upper bands are dead right now. Since getting my ticket I have given my radio away never to return to the 11m band. I have found plenty of activity on the amateur bands to keep me busy.
73 and Good DX
Jeff
No..I don't operate 11 meters.
I do have channel 19 programmed into my IC706.......but no 11 meter antenna...but you don't need an 11 meter antenna when you are stuck in a mile or more long traffic jam on the interstate and want to find out what the problem is, and how far ahead. That works fine for that. Don't hear anyone more than half a mile away, and usually there are multiple people discussing exactly what and where the accident is. Wouldn't do any good to transmit because everyone else is busy talking about the traffic jam. Passes time while you wait to get somewhere when out county hunting. (the 20/30/40 antenna picks up enough). The TX is not enabled off the ham bands.
Way back in the early, early CB days I had a CB tranceiver (23 ch AM) but after about 3 days, got bored with the yakking, 'anyone got a copy', and the stupid inane comments.
WA9CWX
11-10-2007, 02:45 PM
Have not had time to read all of the replies.
My answer is simple.
No, I DO NOT 'operate' (?) or use CB.
Frank
KA4DPO
11-10-2007, 03:41 PM
I can't believe the replies. Why in the world would anyone with a valid amateur radio license even think of operating CB? That doesn't pass the common sense test.
AA5TE
11-10-2007, 04:41 PM
Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Nov. 09 2007,11:41)]I can't believe the replies. #Why in the world would anyone with a valid amateur radio license even think of operating CB? #That doesn't pass the common sense test.
Why would anyone with a valid driver's license want to walk, or bicycle, or, heaven forbid, hike?
Why would anyone with a valid pilot's license want to use ground transportation?
Why would a validly licensed ham want to use a cell phone, or a cordless phone, or the internet?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
There's hundreds of ways to answer these questions on either side of the fence.
Personal desire; nostalgia; talk with a group of people about something different; you obtain a different value from it than you do ham radio - the utility is different; it's personal economics.
Remember, it's people that make these sections of spectrum bad, not the radios, and this is just as true in ham radio as it is in CB.
KC9JIQ
11-10-2007, 06:49 PM
Quote[/b] (aa5te @ Nov. 10 2007,09:41)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Nov. 09 2007,11:41)]I can't believe the replies. #Why in the world would anyone with a valid amateur radio license even think of operating CB? #That doesn't pass the common sense test.
Why would anyone with a valid driver's license want to walk, or bicycle, or, heaven forbid, hike?
Why would anyone with a valid pilot's license want to use ground transportation?
Why would a validly licensed ham want to use a cell phone, or a cordless phone, or the internet?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
There's hundreds of ways to answer these questions on either side of the fence.
Personal desire; nostalgia; talk with a group of people about something different; you obtain a different value from it than you do ham radio - the utility is different; it's personal economics.
Remember, it's people that make these sections of spectrum bad, not the radios, and this is just as true in ham radio as it is in CB.
All this anti-CB preaching going around here is just supporting the stereotypical ham image...wackerisim, elietism, and class warfare.
but to stay on topic, why would a Extra class operator operate anywhere else, but in the extra class only part of the band? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
KU0DM
11-10-2007, 06:59 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 09 2007,17:43)]Can you do it?
sorta...i dont see any hams though
what i see is
a profane CBer and the FCC looking the other way
KC9JIQ
11-10-2007, 07:05 PM
Quote[/b] (KU0DM @ Nov. 10 2007,11:59)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 09 2007,17:43)]Can you do it?
sorta...i dont see any hams though
what i see is
a profane CBer and the FCC looking the other way
I don't see a CBer in that picture, I've never seen a CBer wear a suit and tie.
KU0DM
11-10-2007, 07:18 PM
true dat
KA0GKT
11-10-2007, 08:13 PM
11-meters? nope.
SSB/AM operation? Yup.
Mainly SSB on 80,40,20,15 and 10 meters, sometimes on 2 meters as well.
I used to do a little full-carrier AM on 160 years ago with a McMartin AMM-1 transmitter, and once in a while I check in to a 2-meter AM net with my Boat-anchor Gonset 2-Meter Sidewwinder.
73 DE KAØGKT/7
--Steve
kc0qlz
11-10-2007, 08:57 PM
I still mess around with cb,I like to listen to channel 6 when the skip is running,it's kind of interesting what those guys have for rigs,i'm sure they are running a Kw or more,and every so often i listen to the freebanders and their bogus call signs they use what a joke!!!
KD4IFB
11-10-2007, 09:08 PM
Quote[/b] (kc0qlz @ Nov. 10 2007,13:57)]I still mess around with cb,I like to listen to channel 6 when the skip is running,it's kind of interesting what those guys have for rigs,i'm sure they are running a Kw or more,and every so often i listen to the freebanders and their bogus call signs they use what a joke!!!
What call sighns are that? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You mean like Hush Puppy, Grave Robber, and Tumble Weed! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #I didnt know they had real call sighns..You mean those names arent registered with the FCC? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
VE7NOT
11-10-2007, 09:22 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 10 2007,13:08)]Quote[/b] (kc0qlz @ Nov. 10 2007,13:57)]I still mess around with cb,I like to listen to channel 6 when the skip is running,it's kind of interesting what those guys have for rigs,i'm sure they are running a Kw or more,and every so often i listen to the freebanders and their bogus call signs they use what a joke!!!
What call sighns are that? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You mean like Hush Puppy, Grave Robber, and Tumble Weed! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I didnt know they had real call sighns..You mean those names arent registered with the FCC? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
SSB ops use numbers from a club. They never use handles
KC5CSG
11-10-2007, 09:23 PM
Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 10 2007,14:08)]Quote[/b] (kc0qlz @ Nov. 10 2007,13:57)]I still mess around with cb,I like to listen to channel 6 when the skip is running,it's kind of interesting what those guys have for rigs,i'm sure they are running a Kw or more,and every so often i listen to the freebanders and their bogus call signs they use what a joke!!!
What call sighns are that? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You mean like Hush Puppy, Grave Robber, and Tumble Weed! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #I didnt know they had real call sighns..You mean those names arent registered with the FCC? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
18WA24.........lol......ah the memories.
N8GAV
11-10-2007, 09:41 PM
I seen old CB License that the FCC issued with calls of 19Q and 11W on Ebay sell for 30 bucks. I have some old tube type CB's Demco, Tram, and Browning that I restored but don't use them.
K0CMH
11-10-2007, 11:14 PM
About once every 5 years I hook up the old unit I have packed away.
Every time, all I can get around here is the trucker channel with nothing but x-rated yack, and one or two other channels worse than the truckers.
At least around my parts, it is pretty lame. I have been told there is a SSB meeting on one of the CB channles in the area, that is "clean", but I can never find it.
For me, CB is out.
I don't hate it, and I don't bash it, but I can't find anything on it like it was in the old days. I remember when EVERYONE used their call (mine was kfn0236) and NEVE was one bad word said. Well, once in a blue moon you would hear one, and then that person was shunned. It sure has changed.
I gave it up when driving on I-70 between St. Louis and Kansas City in 1978. A lady come on 19 and asked for directions. A trucker came back to her and used about the worse language you can imagine. She replied that she could take that language but she had here daughter in the car with her and did not appreciate the reply. The trucker told her what he would do with the lady's daughter. I turned off the CB rig right then, and have never listened for over a minute or so every 5 or so years since then.
KD4IFB
11-10-2007, 11:20 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 09 2007,17:43)]Can you do it?
Ive heard some really nasty Hams out there over the years too.. I can always tell the ones that are trying to lead by example,that are positive, and those who arent! #Prime example of those who arent!
AA3RE
11-10-2007, 11:26 PM
I first played on CB in the hey day of the early 70"s as a kid. Dad had a base and mobile and we could talk him home from work.
Fast forward to the futre I have become nostalgic for old tube rigs I remember hearing from the day. Another couple of nostalgic local Hams and I have started a Classic Radio Round Up night. Allways using a type accepted tube rig from the day.
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj/cbpage.htm
KD4IFB
11-11-2007, 12:08 AM
Charlie, I said that to reflect Ham in general..No matter what their classification..Us all as a whole..Just as you did CB as a whole..Of course there was nothing positive in your post..Even though alot of Hams use or monitor CB from time to time..I guess the no code Extras are OK though... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You sure do have it out for those NCGs..The NCGs! # Hats off to the positive Hams in general that are out there!
CT2IZO
11-11-2007, 12:31 AM
hi!!! i started on cb around 93, it was a blast i literally had hundreds of friends from a hufge range, it was the bomb, little did i imagine there was such a great thing ever. i loved it, it was a dream come true, ppl from miles around i talked and even met so many people, it was like a dream man. from morning till dawn, i talked and talked, i had so many friends on different channels, and we had the differente "gangs" on diffrent channels.
awesome. i still was on cb till around 2001 or so, when my buddies and the ppl started shutting down their stations, to my great dislike. God took a piece of my heart man http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif . it was the days. just pray for one day the fever to come back. still got some brothers there, but hey. so, to respond more directly, just turn it on ocassionaly home, or mobile, from month to month or even less. when i used to use it daily almost 24/7 !!!
Hi Hi brother!
Naw! Just the upgrades from CB who can't shake the old funkball ways...
AA3RE
11-11-2007, 01:28 AM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 10 2007,18:22)]Naw! #Just the upgrades from CB who can't shake the old funkball ways...
What a narrow minded view.
W4BRF
11-11-2007, 01:42 AM
Quote[/b] (aa5te @ Nov. 10 2007,09:41)]Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Nov. 09 2007,11:41)]I can't believe the replies. #Why in the world would anyone with a valid amateur radio license even think of operating CB? #That doesn't pass the common sense test.
Why would anyone with a valid driver's license want to walk, or bicycle, or, heaven forbid, hike?
Why would anyone with a valid pilot's license want to use ground transportation?
Why would a validly licensed ham want to use a cell phone, or a cordless phone, or the internet?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
There's hundreds of ways to answer these questions on either side of the fence.
Personal desire; nostalgia; talk with a group of people about something different; you obtain a different value from it than you do ham radio - the utility is different; it's personal economics.
aa5te-Remember, it's people that make these sections of spectrum bad, not the radios, and this is just as true in ham radio as it is in CB.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------well said could not have said it Better,73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
W4BRF
11-11-2007, 01:49 AM
Quote[/b] (k0cmh @ Nov. 10 2007,16:14)]About once every 5 years I hook up the old unit I have packed away.
Every time, all .
At least around my parts, it is pretty lame. #I have been told there is a SSB meeting on one of the CB channles in the area, that is "clean", but I can never find it.
For me, CB is out.
I don't hate it, and I don't bash it, but I can't find anything on it like it was in the old days. #I remember when EVERYONE used their call (mine was kfn0236) and NEVE was one bad word said. #Well, once in a blue moon you would hear one, and then that person was shunned. #It sure has changed.
I gave it up when driving on I-70 between St. Louis and Kansas City in 1978. #A lady come on 19 and asked for directions. #A trucker came back to her and used about the worse language you can imagine. #She replied that she could take that language but she had here daughter in the car with her and did not appreciate the reply. #The trucker told her what he would do with the lady's daughter. #I turned off the CB rig right then, and have never listened for over a minute or so every 5 or so years since then.
k0cmh-I can get around here is the trucker channel with nothing but x-rated yack, and one or two other channels worse than the truckers----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------( you dont have to hook up a c b to hear x-Rated yack ,just Be on 80m at the Right time you will hear it there,73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
AI4EP
11-11-2007, 01:52 AM
The basic idea of cb radio still exists even with cell phones --- cheap local communications.
It is the OPERATORS that give the service a bad name.
---but then, YOU already knew that, didnt ya ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
AA3RE
11-11-2007, 02:01 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 10 2007,18:52)]The basic idea of cb radio still exists even with cell phones --- cheap local communications.
It is the OPERATORS that give the service a bad name.
---but then, YOU already knew that, didnt ya ? # # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
On my classic radio round up channel we are more of gentlemen than most of the times I listen to the upper part of 75 m.
"Its not the spectrum its the operators"
W4BRF
11-11-2007, 02:22 AM
Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 10 2007,17:08)]Charlie, I said that to reflect Ham in general..No matter what their classification..Us all as a whole..Just as you did CB as a whole..Of course there was nothing positive in your post..Even though alot of Hams use or monitor CB from time to time..I guess the no code Extras are OK though... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif You sure do have it out for those NCGs..The NCGs! # Hats off to the positive Hams in general that are out there!
well #mr #charlie you have done it now, some of these general,s are giveing #you the tongue,(image 7 post above )it looks like you need to #start talking on the Radio for a while, http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N4CYA
11-11-2007, 02:39 AM
Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 10 2007,12:49)]Quote[/b] (k0cmh @ Nov. 10 2007,16:14)]About once every 5 years I hook up the old unit I have packed away.
Every time, all .
At least around my parts, it is pretty lame. I have been told there is a SSB meeting on one of the CB channles in the area, that is "clean", but I can never find it.
For me, CB is out.
I don't hate it, and I don't bash it, but I can't find anything on it like it was in the old days. I remember when EVERYONE used their call (mine was kfn0236) and NEVE was one bad word said. Well, once in a blue moon you would hear one, and then that person was shunned. It sure has changed.
I gave it up when driving on I-70 between St. Louis and Kansas City in 1978. A lady come on 19 and asked for directions. A trucker came back to her and used about the worse language you can imagine. She replied that she could take that language but she had here daughter in the car with her and did not appreciate the reply. The trucker told her what he would do with the lady's daughter. I turned off the CB rig right then, and have never listened for over a minute or so every 5 or so years since then.
k0cmh-I can get around here is the trucker channel with nothing but x-rated yack, and one or two other channels worse than the truckers----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------( you dont have to hook up a c b to hear x-Rated yack ,just Be on 80m at the Right time you will hear it there,73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
but its always blamed on the 11 meter guys http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
W4BRF
11-11-2007, 02:45 AM
yes that is very true n4cya but you have to understand how narrow minded some people are 73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
N4CYA
11-11-2007, 02:52 AM
Thanks! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif...Another note not all 11 meter operators from past and present to the future are bad ops it just the one's who ruined it for others.
AA3RE
11-11-2007, 03:15 AM
2 more cents worth. Whats the real difference between two Hams talking on 2 meter simplex or 11 meter AM. None I see except no need to watch the clock. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
K8MHZ
11-11-2007, 04:31 AM
I do on rare occasions. I also use FRS and MURS and don't need to feed my ego by denying such actions.
A couple days ago I got on CB channel 19 to ask a truck driver I saw with his 4 ways on in the middle of a busy street in our town if he needed assistance. It turned out he was just looking for a place to park and he was very appreciative of the offer.
At the end of the exchange I got a very sincere 'God Bless' from the trucker.
It made my day. If any of you hold me in contempt for my actions I wholeheartedly challenge your intents.
Radio service of any kind is merely a tool. What we do with it is tantamount, not that which we use.
AI4EP
11-11-2007, 04:32 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif to a lot of folks the major difference these days between a ham and a cb operator is nothing more than a thin sheet of paper.
simple & to the point. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
K8MHZ
11-11-2007, 04:35 AM
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 10 2007,16:32)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif to a lot of folks the major difference these days between a ham and a cb operator is nothing more than a thin sheet of paper.
simple & to the point. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
In the context you present, the same exists for a doctor and a patient, no?
KG6YTZ
11-11-2007, 07:33 AM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Nov. 10 2007,13:22)]SSB ops use numbers from a club. They never use handles
Not necessarily. As I understand it, some "sideband numbers" came from the last 'x' digits of a person's old call sign [back when CB required a license] - for instance, the former KXYZ1234 might just call himself "234" on sideband - but in some cases, the number is as arbitrary as a handle. I used "905" because my birthday is Sep. 5th.
It's true that handles are generally not used on sideband - as a rule, it's usually a number and a name ["905 Ken" or "Ken 905"]. At any rate, some form of ID is better than no ID at all.
VK6ZGO
11-11-2007, 09:48 AM
Quote[/b] (VE7NOT @ Nov. 09 2007,23:48)][quote=KC9JIQ,Nov. 09 2007,17:28][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,17:10]
27.025 (ch 6) am is called 'the superbowl'. #Tune to it for a few minutes every day for a week... any SLIGHT opening someone is yelling garbage.. why? #some are running 84Kw amps MOBILE!
[QUOTE]
84 kW! not in this universe!
I am continually amazed at the way posters on this site bring up this story #of enormous power outputs produced by illegal CBers.
Almost every other post calls CBers fools, dolts,gullible etc, but we are supposed to take as gospel their claims of power outputs.
Over #the last couple of years, the figure has gone from 55kW,to 75kW, & now to 84 kW.
Taking an overall efficiency for the Transmitter of say 75%.,the power supply to the Tx will be 112 kW ( this is 149.7 hp).
Say the #alternators or whatever are about the same degree of efficiency,we have 199.6 hp needing to be supplied by the vehicle's #engine, via a drive belt!.
I have no idea of the drivebelt's efficiency, but I do know that they #are not normally recommended for the transmission of mechanical power of this magnitude,due to #the possibility of slippage,& in this case the sudden application of load.
I did a power budget on another thread, & someone rightly pointed out that #some of the requirements I had included, such as adequate cooling of the RF output device would be considerably reduced due to the fact the amp would only be keyed for a short period of time.
Even so, the requirements at the antenna output side of this system would be savage.Imagine a mobile antenna for 84kW.
Broadcast antenna components for this power level are extremely bulky for real reasons,for instance,if we are feeding an antenna which looks like a perfect 50 ohm resistive load at #27Mhz with 84 kW, the voltage across the coaxial connector at its base is 2049v rms.
Another question, how do they measure this power output? An 84kW test load is huge, apart from costing about 10 years wages.
OK. they could measure input power, & guess at the efficiency, or just guess!
Or believe everything the snake-oil salesman who sold it to them said!
I've got a bridge for sale, & a few ton of gold bricks,if you can put me in touch!
73 VK6ZGO
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11-11-2007, 11:06 AM
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*Note the posts per day = TROLL and not even worth replying to. I checked all previous posts and this man or should I say little boy never has anything positive to say. In all honesty he is the one that shames HAM radio not the "NCG".
AG4YO Try being an ambasador to the hobby instead of a hinderence. The way you group all former CB operators in the same class is truly a shame. As an amatuer operator would you like to be thought of and grouped in with the idiots on 75 M. Might I add those idiots were here long before the "NCG" (as you call it). People like you are what make me ashamed to say I am an ARO.
Lastly but most importantly I am highly offened by the picture you posted of 2 handicapped children. I myself have a handicapped son due to a birth defect. It would be most apreciated if you removed that pic from this website.
Also I ask if their is a way to block posts from certain individuals on this sight if so please email me on the process.
In closing I would like to say that Mr. Charles L Young,JR is not only a disgrace to the Ham community but I also hope he did not reproduce because god for bid if he has children to spue all his hate and discontent too. That means we will have more idiots in this world. Oh I forgot he is a rocket scientist because at the time he got his amatuer liscense the FCC required code. What a waste.
I appologize to all that had to read my rant
Now to answer the original posters question.
I grew up with my Mom and Dad having a CB in the house . I used it on occassion. I then went in the Navy and became good friends with a Navy Radioman who had his ticket. He brought me to his house and allowed me to observe him while operating. I loved it but unfortunately due to my family and running a contracting buisness I never had the time to study for an exam.
Fortunately my contracting buisness has grown and been successful enough that now I dont have to be so hands on. In April this year I purchased the technician study guide and took a class to make sure that I not only operated correctly but that I also upheld the tradition of Ham radio.
Unfortunately though despite all the effort I have put forth I still have to listen to and be ridiculed by people who tested at a different point in time. It is not my fault nor anyone elses fault that the FCC changed their standard. It is not like I can walk in and say " Hey I want to take the test that was given 30 yrs ago so that my peers dont look at me as an NCT/NCG/NCE." It just does not work that way. I wish I could roll back time but that just is not possible.
Look forward to speaking to all that are willing to speak to a "NC" (as MR Young calls it) that operates properly, and is a good ambasador to Ham radio. (I would like to think).
73 Mark KB1PDZ
KI4NGN
11-11-2007, 11:13 AM
Uh, this is the internet, not ham radio.
KI4NGN
11-11-2007, 11:23 AM
I was having a lot of fun in the second half of the 60's with 100mw CB walkie-talkies and then 5w base stations with a guy I grew up with. Sometime in there my future ex-father in-law suggested that I look into ham radio, which I did. He was not a ham, but he knew about it. Not too long after that I got my tech license, which at that time was the General class exam with a 5 wpm code test. My friend stayed with CB until he saw the contacts I was making on 2 meter AM with 5 watts. He went for and received his ticket. Neither of us ever looked back to CB, and where I let my first license expire because of life, etc, he's been an active ham ever since.
Our CB time was before the craze of the 70's, and I do have fond memories of it. Don't recall ever hearing any of the trash now associated with it. The point is that it wet our appetites for radio comms and I'll always be greatful to it for that.
73,
Mike
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11-11-2007, 02:31 PM
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*Note the posts per day = TROLL and not even worth replying to. I checked all previous posts and this man or should I say little boy never has anything positive to say. In all honesty he is the one that shames HAM radio not the "NCG".
AG4YO Try being an ambasador to the hobby instead of a hinderence. The way you group all former CB operators in the same class is truly a shame. As an amatuer operator would you like to be thought of and grouped in with the idiots on 75 M. Might I add those idiots were here long before the "NCG" (as you call it). People like you are what make me ashamed to say I am an ARO.
Lastly but most importantly I am highly offened by the picture you posted of 2 handicapped children. I myself have a handicapped son due to a birth defect. It would be most apreciated if you removed that pic from this website.
Also I ask if their is a way to block posts from certain individuals on this sight if so please email me on the process.
In closing I would like to say that Mr. Charles L Young,JR is not only a disgrace to the Ham community but I also hope he did not reproduce because god for bid if he has children to spue all his hate and discontent too. That means we will have more idiots in this world. Oh I forgot he is a rocket scientist because at the time he got his amatuer liscense the FCC required code. What a waste.
I appologize to all that had to read my rant
Now to answer the original posters question.
I grew up with my Mom and Dad having a CB in the house . I used it on occassion. I then went in the Navy and became good friends with a Navy Radioman who had his ticket. He brought me to his house and allowed me to observe him while operating. I loved it but unfortunately due to my family and running a contracting buisness I never had the time to study for an exam.
Fortunately my contracting buisness has grown and been successful enough that now I dont have to be so hands on. In April this year I purchased the technician study guide and took a class to make sure that I not only operated correctly but that I also upheld the tradition of Ham radio.
Look forward to speaking to all that are willing to speak to a "NC" (as MR Young calls it) that operates properly, and is a good ambasador to Ham radio. (I would like to think).
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #73 Mark KB1PDZ
kb1pdz-Unfortunately though despite all the effort I have put forth I still have to listen to and be ridiculed by people who tested at a different point in time. It is not my fault nor anyone elses fault that the FCC changed their standard. It is not like I can walk in and say " Hey I want to take the test that was given 30 yrs ago so that my peers dont look at me as an NCT/NCG/NCE." It just does not work that way. I wish I could roll back time but that just is not possible.
---------------------------------------------------------------------mark dont worry about what they say ,you did what you had to do and the fcc says thats ok they are the only one you have to worry about ,you are there , enjoy and forget what these kind of people say,73 Bill http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
K0CMH
11-11-2007, 04:21 PM
MHZ:
YES. Unfortunately, it has been ruined by many with foul mouths and thoughts of ill will.
It is unfortunate, because it WAS at one time, very nice.
VE7NOT
11-11-2007, 04:26 PM
Quote[/b] (vk6zgo @ Nov. 11 2007,01:48)][QUOTE=Quote (VE7NOT @ Nov. 09 2007,23:48)][quote=KC9JIQ,Nov. 09 2007,17:28][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,17:10]
27.025 (ch 6) am is called 'the superbowl'. Tune to it for a few minutes every day for a week... any SLIGHT opening someone is yelling garbage.. why? some are running 84Kw amps MOBILE!
84 kW! not in this universe!
I am continually amazed at the way posters on this site bring up this story of enormous power outputs produced by illegal CBers.
Almost every other post calls CBers fools, dolts,gullible etc, but we are supposed to take as gospel their claims of power outputs.
Over the last couple of years, the figure has gone from 55kW,to 75kW, & now to 84 kW.
Taking an overall efficiency for the Transmitter of say 75%.,the power supply to the Tx will be 112 kW ( this is 149.7 hp).
Say the alternators or whatever are about the same degree of efficiency,we have 199.6 hp needing to be supplied by the vehicle's engine, via a drive belt!.
I have no idea of the drivebelt's efficiency, but I do know that they are not normally recommended for the transmission of mechanical power of this magnitude,due to the possibility of slippage,& in this case the sudden application of load.
I did a power budget on another thread, & someone rightly pointed out that some of the requirements I had included, such as adequate cooling of the RF output device would be considerably reduced due to the fact the amp would only be keyed for a short period of time.
Even so, the requirements at the antenna output side of this system would be savage.Imagine a mobile antenna for 84kW.
Broadcast antenna components for this power level are extremely bulky for real reasons,for instance,if we are feeding an antenna which looks like a perfect 50 ohm resistive load at 27Mhz with 84 kW, the voltage across the coaxial connector at its base is 2049v rms.
Another question, how do they measure this power output? An 84kW test load is huge, apart from costing about 10 years wages.
OK. they could measure input power, & guess at the efficiency, or just guess!
Or believe everything the snake-oil salesman who sold it to them said!
I've got a bridge for sale, & a few ton of gold bricks,if you can put me in touch!
73 VK6ZGO
Hey I'm just going by what I read.
The bottom amp (http://www.davemade.com/mobile.htm)
KD4IFB
11-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Thats some serious mobile amplification going on. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif 73
KC9JIQ
11-11-2007, 04:35 PM
What the heck, that music that blares out of my speakers was really loud. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Maybe somone needs to email the manufacture of the amps to see how they measure the output power of these amps?
[edit] Can you find the CB'er?
http://www.davemade.com/heavywei.htm
N8GAV
11-11-2007, 04:59 PM
I wonder what they use with 35 KW amp http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Coax won't handle it.
kd5kfl
11-11-2007, 05:15 PM
That 30 KW transmitter with an 84KW peak uses
1 # # # # #3CX15000A7
This is an image of a 30 KW transmitter. It's for FM, not HF, but you get the idea:
http://www.contelec.com/products/816R.jpg
So that's what they do with the sleeper cabs?
Big honking AM transmitter page (http://www.lks.net/~radio/Pages/AM_Trans.htm)
3 phase 208-240 alternators?
Quote[/b] (kb1pdz @ Nov. 11 2007,04:06)]*Note the posts per day = TROLL and not even worth replying to. I checked all previous posts and this man or should I say little boy never has anything positive to say. In all honesty he is the one that shames HAM radio not the "NCG".
AG4YO Try being an ambasador to the hobby instead of a hinderence. The way you group all former CB operators in the same class is truly a shame. As an amatuer operator would you like to be thought of and grouped in with the idiots on 75 M. Might I add those idiots were here long before the "NCG" (as you call it). People like you are what make me ashamed to say I am an ARO.
Lastly but most importantly I am highly offened by the picture you posted of 2 handicapped children. I myself have a handicapped son due to a birth defect. It would be most apreciated if you removed that pic from this website.
Also I ask if their is a way to block posts from certain individuals on this sight if so please email me on the process.
In closing I would like to say that Mr. Charles L Young,JR is not only a disgrace to the Ham community but I also hope he did not reproduce because god for bid if he has children to spue all his hate and discontent too. That means we will have more idiots in this world. Oh I forgot he is a rocket scientist because at the time he got his amatuer liscense the FCC required code. What a waste.
Mark KB1PDZ
GAWD! Hey Skeezix, the picture is EDITED to make the guys look silly you doofus. Unbunch your skivvies and take a deeeep breath. Feel better? Wave to your goat.
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11-11-2007, 06:17 PM
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*Note the posts per day = TROLL and not even worth replying to. I checked all previous posts and this man or should I say little boy never has anything positive to say. In all honesty he is the one that shames HAM radio not the "NCG".
AG4YO Try being an ambasador to the hobby instead of a hinderence. The way you group all former CB operators in the same class is truly a shame. As an amatuer operator would you like to be thought of and grouped in with the idiots on 75 M. Might I add those idiots were here long before the "NCG" (as you call it). People like you are what make me ashamed to say I am an ARO.
Lastly but most importantly I am highly offened by the picture you posted of 2 handicapped children. I myself have a handicapped son due to a birth defect. It would be most apreciated if you removed that pic from this website.
Also I ask if their is a way to block posts from certain individuals on this sight if so please email me on the process.
In closing I would like to say that Mr. Charles L Young,JR is not only a disgrace to the Ham community but I also hope he did not reproduce because god for bid if he has children to spue all his hate and discontent too. That means we will have more idiots in this world. Oh I forgot he is a rocket scientist because at the time he got his amatuer liscense the FCC required code. What a waste.
I appologize to all that had to read my rant
Now to answer the original posters question.
I grew up with my Mom and Dad having a CB in the house . I used it on occassion. I then went in the Navy and became good friends with a Navy Radioman who had his ticket. He brought me to his house and allowed me to observe him while operating. I loved it but unfortunately due to my family and running a contracting buisness I never had the time to study for an exam.
Fortunately my contracting buisness has grown and been successful enough that now I dont have to be so hands on. In April this year I purchased the technician study guide and took a class to make sure that I not only operated correctly but that I also upheld the tradition of Ham radio.
Unfortunately though despite all the effort I have put forth I still have to listen to and be ridiculed by people who tested at a different point in time. It is not my fault nor anyone elses fault that the FCC changed their standard. It is not like I can walk in and say " Hey I want to take the test that was given 30 yrs ago so that my peers dont look at me as an NCT/NCG/NCE." It just does not work that way. I wish I could roll back time but that just is not possible.
Look forward to speaking to all that are willing to speak to a "NC" (as MR Young calls it) that operates properly, and is a good ambasador to Ham radio. (I would like to think).
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # #73 Mark KB1PDZ
I agree things do get somewhat carried away. But some believe that if #_._ _ #_ _ _ #.._ #._. #_. _ _ _ #_ #_ _. _ _ _ #_.. ... #_ _. .. .._. _ #_ #_ _ _ #.... ._ #_ _ #_ _.._ _ #you r not S@#%! And I see you no different than me. Even if you know this, or any other form of comm. I know or dont know! We learn something new everyday..When you stop learning, your dead..# And alot of good hams are surfaceing, and are looking at the big picture of the future in a positive way.. And thats what we need..Im really glad to see all the hams looking towards a positive future for all Hams. And believe me, Ive seen alot of positive turn arounds on this site.. Look foward to logging you in one day! #73 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
N5FOG
11-11-2007, 08:46 PM
Quote[/b] (kb1pdz @ Nov. 10 2007,06:06)]Unfortunately though despite all the effort I have put forth I still have to listen to and be ridiculed by people who tested at a different point in time. It is not my fault nor anyone elses fault that the FCC changed their standard. It is not like I can walk in and say " Hey I want to take the test that was given 30 yrs ago so that my peers dont look at me as an NCT/NCG/NCE." It just does not work that way. I wish I could roll back time but that just is not possible.
Look forward to speaking to all that are willing to speak to a "NC" (as MR Young calls it) that operates properly, and is a good ambasador to Ham radio. (I would like to think).
73 Mark KB1PDZ
Mark just get on the radio, enjoy the hobby and ignore people like Charlie. They just want attention and the more you give them they worse they get.
That being said, the majority of ham radio ops are good people who will talk to anyone regardless of when they got their license.
And if someone doesn't want to talk to you because of when you got your license don't let it bother you because they are most likely not worth having a conversation with.
FOG
KC6TOA
11-11-2007, 09:01 PM
Quote[/b] (vk6zgo @ Nov. 11 2007,02:48)][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,23:48][quote=KC9JIQ,Nov. 09 2007,17:28][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,17:10]
27.025 (ch 6) am is called 'the superbowl'. Tune to it for a few minutes every day for a week... any SLIGHT opening someone is yelling garbage.. why? some are running 84Kw amps MOBILE!
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84 kW! not in this universe!
I am continually amazed at the way posters on this site bring up this story of enormous power outputs produced by illegal CBers.
Almost every other post calls CBers fools, dolts,gullible etc, but we are supposed to take as gospel their claims of power outputs.
Over the last couple of years, the figure has gone from 55kW,to 75kW, & now to 84 kW.
Taking an overall efficiency for the Transmitter of say 75%.,the power supply to the Tx will be 112 kW ( this is 149.7 hp).
Say the alternators or whatever are about the same degree of efficiency,we have 199.6 hp needing to be supplied by the vehicle's engine, via a drive belt!.
I have no idea of the drivebelt's efficiency, but I do know that they are not normally recommended for the transmission of mechanical power of this magnitude,due to the possibility of slippage,& in this case the sudden application of load.
I did a power budget on another thread, & someone rightly pointed out that some of the requirements I had included, such as adequate cooling of the RF output device would be considerably reduced due to the fact the amp would only be keyed for a short period of time.
Even so, the requirements at the antenna output side of this system would be savage.Imagine a mobile antenna for 84kW.
Broadcast antenna components for this power level are extremely bulky for real reasons,for instance,if we are feeding an antenna which looks like a perfect 50 ohm resistive load at 27Mhz with 84 kW, the voltage across the coaxial connector at its base is 2049v rms.
Another question, how do they measure this power output? An 84kW test load is huge, apart from costing about 10 years wages.
OK. they could measure input power, & guess at the efficiency, or just guess!
Or believe everything the snake-oil salesman who sold it to them said!
I've got a bridge for sale, & a few ton of gold bricks,if you can put me in touch!
73 VK6ZGO
The 84 kilowatts is PEP, with AM modulation.
100% modulated AM has a PEP which is 4x the un-modulated carrier power. In the case of 84Kw PEP, this would be 21Kw carrier power.
A 3CX15000A7 tube is often referenced in this application. Considering if the tubes efficiency were 70%, and with its 15,000 watt plate dissipation rating, this device should be able to sustain 35,000 watts RF output: 50Kw DC in, 35Kw RF out, and 15Kw of heat.
84Kw PEP might be attainable with a 7,000 volt power supply capable of delivering 8 amps. Often alternators with the DC rectifier-regulator removed are capable of producing 120VAC, which could certainly be stepped up with a peter dahl.
This is all purely theoretical though, because actually standing next to such an operating setup as this would mean RF burns and detached retina of the eye.
Quote[/b] (n5fog @ Nov. 11 2007,13:46)]...people like Charlie. They just want attention and the more you give them they worse they get.
Thanks for the attention.
KA4DPO
11-11-2007, 09:29 PM
I'm afraid that standing in the near field of an 84 KW transmitter would be lethal. I suppose it's possible but it would more than likely burn up the vehicle in the process from arcing all over the place. Every rusty joint would become a small flame thower and the gas tank would probably ignite.
Quote[/b] (kc6toa @ Nov. 11 2007,14:01)][quote=vk6zgo,Nov. 11 2007,02:48][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,23:48][quote=KC9JIQ,Nov. 09 2007,17:28][quote=VE7NOT,Nov. 09 2007,17:10]
84Kw PEP might be attainable with a 7,000 volt power supply capable of delivering 8 amps. Often alternators with the DC rectifier-regulator removed are capable of producing 120VAC, which could certainly be stepped up with a peter dahl.
This is all purely theoretical though, because actually standing next to such an operating setup as this would mean RF burns and detached retina of the eye.
Where's the modulator input power that allows that "high efficiency" final? There are a lot unaccounted kilowatts.
AI4EP
11-11-2007, 11:42 PM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif But obviously they do NOT care. Based on thier OWN actions. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 11 2007,16:42)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif But obviously they do NOT care. Based on thier OWN actions. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Where is XXXXXXXX? Is he out punching his teddy bear? Don't go away mad. We all love you! If we love Robert, we can love anybody!
KD4IFB
11-12-2007, 04:59 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 12 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 11 2007,16:42)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # But obviously they do NOT care. #Based on thier OWN actions. # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Where is KB1PuDZ? #Is he out punching his teddy bear? #Don't go away mad. #We all love you! #If we love Robert, we can love anybody!
Charlie you just dont know when to let it go do you!! #It may have been harmless to you and even me, but to him it wasnt.. Let it go, and think about others a little bit before you post pics like those...But yea thats real hard for you to do as weve seen it the past! #There is a difference between funny and offencive..Example of funny is this..Nothing personal...lol
Never take the Internet too seriously. But I do love you guys and you love me back....
KD4IFB
11-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 12 2007,11:58)]Never take the Internet too seriously. #But I do love you guys and you love me back....
I really dont in alot of cases, but on some issues there are real lines that shouldnt be crossed due to respect to situations that are unaware to us... A true Elmer you are...lol
KB2FCV
11-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I had one in my car back in highschool / college to talk to my friends. Most of them had CB. I had a radio shack something or other (it's probably on a shelf somewhere in the basement). It worked pretty well when around town. I haven't really used one since and that was well over ten years ago. The only place I found it REALLY useful was to hear the 'reports' where the police were on the highway. I had a heavier foot back then..
KD7GWD
11-12-2007, 08:55 PM
I need one in my recreational four wheel drive vehicle to communicate with those in my group without licenses . Its a safety thing for my four wheel drive group .
Basically use it a couple weekends a month from mid September to mid April while its not so hot outside in AZ .
KC9JIQ
11-12-2007, 11:32 PM
What gets really rediculous is the "DX shooters" that have pvc pipe sticking out the front/rear bumpers and like 6ft reflectors/directors all down the middle of the vehicle! #That is just http://CBretards.com stuff.
N4CYA
11-13-2007, 12:38 AM
And most of the time those big guys & girls with big antennas on their suburban or whatever else they use hang around the lower side of channel 36 (26.915) I use to hang out there most of my time when I was away from the home channel I met alot of cool people until the CB Rambo's took the channel away I have no idea what it's like now since I've been away from the Cb Hobby for about 5 years now
N4CYA
11-13-2007, 12:42 AM
Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 12 2007,10:32)]What gets really rediculous is the "DX shooters" that have pvc pipe sticking out the front/rear bumpers and like 6ft reflectors/directors all down the middle of the vehicle! That is just http://CBretards.com stuff.
Most of those guys that goto that website use to hang out on RadioTech & CbRadioForum before they got banned because of all the flames they gave out to people for some stupid unknown reason wanna see some videos of a keydown that took place awhile back? Go Here......Cb Radio Keydown Videos (http://www.bigradios.com/avis/)