Jamming on 3950Khz

[KC2ESD]

Well I'm listening to the Liberty net on 3950Khz and some Diptard is jamming the frequency. What happening, some does not like free speech?? I dont agree with W1WCR wanting Bush Impeached and he bashes Dems and Repubs equally but I back him up when it come to free speech. If some one does not like what some one said on the Liberty net then tune up, check in, and have a civil debate. Don't jam the frequency, It againts the FCC regs. the Jammer is a *D-Bag and should be busted by the FCC. Stop the Jamming!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Rick KC2ESD

*D does not equal Dirtbag.

[kb2vxa]

Woah Rick, cool your jets. With all due respect, don't you think a knee jerk reaction is a bit out of place especially on an internet forum? I see what I consider way too much useless commentary around here, the Piss and Moan Net on 3885 was funny, here it's a waste of space. Nothing personal and you're not alone, I just happen to think we have better things to talk about.

Lord, give me the strength to change what I can and the serenity to accept that which I cannot.

[ky5u]

Rick,

They were all over the band tonight. Had some stoop trying to QRM by varying his VFO while transmitting white noise. Another kept screeming, "where's the white women?" Had a couple of whistlers. Three tuner-uppers. Had some guy making up call signs trying to talk to us. Just ignored them and they went away. Heck the strongest signal from them was an S-2.

Funny all the folks in denial about how much worse things are since the beginning of this year.

[VE7DCW]

The Liberty Net on 3950 has always been an easy target for some of Amateur Radio's finest expert jammers who always seemed to have an issue with whatever they discussed.I remember some of the calls of "the best of the worst" that really plagued that section of the band,WA9KJI,W9ART,the highly sickening "Sid the Lid"K5BLB with his special guest appearances.Time and the FCC caught up with a few,but the tradition of jamming the Liberty Net soldiers on http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73

[N5FOG]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Nov. 03 2007,00:07)]If some one does not like what some one said on the Liberty net then tune up, check in, and have a civil debate.
Thats the problem they don't have the ability to have a civil debate and thats why they jam anyone that disagrees with them.



FOG

[KD4IFB]

Sorry Charlie, I dont think the first of the year has anything to do with it.. You dont need to be licensed to be a dip$H*t ...Even though Im sure there are a few folks that are licensed being jerks...And I know these things happened as well, long before the first of the year..So dont admit to the problem and try to pass blame on people that are new, when these things all existed even before them...

[AF9J]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 03 2007,22:41)]<snip!>
Funny all the folks in denial about how much worse things are since the beginning of this year.
Charlie,

75m has been like that forever. I can remember, as a General in the late 80s, being jammed, and chased off of freqs. by hams who claimed roundtables I was in, were on "their" freq., that they'd met on for the past 20 years. When I got my Advanced and my Extra (both in the early 90s), I used to make it a point to avoid the area above 3850 kHz like the plague. As far as I can tell, the behavior hasn't changed much in the last 20 years or so on 75m.

73,
Ellen - AF9J

[KI4ITV]

Quote[/b] (AF9J @ Nov. 04 2007,04:26)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 03 2007,22:41)]<snip!>
Funny all the folks in denial about how much worse things are since the beginning of this year.
Charlie,

75m has been like that forever. I can remember, as a General in the late 80s, being jammed, and chased off of freqs. by hams who claimed roundtables I was in, were on "their" freq., that they'd met on for the past 20 years. When I got my Advanced and my Extra (both in the early 90s), I used to make it a point to avoid the area above 3850 kHz like the plague. As far as I can tell, the behavior hasn't changed much in the last 20 years or so on 75m.

73,
Ellen - AF9J
Ellen,
Your comment does not fit the stated agenda. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Other than that...
Charlie is probably right to some extent.
It makes perfect sense that the CB crowd would immediately gravitate toward 75m. It is the perceived grandaddy of the the ham bands where they run more power and ragchew for hours and hours on end. It also has a reputation for being the most like their former radio service. Basically, it is panacea for those that would not have moved up or into amateur radio any other way than by a rule change.
It should not surprise anyone that 75m phone is THE goal and would suffer more than some of the other bands.

Please note that I have no problem with the post code HF'ers. I just suspected that we would see a little of this happen based on the nature of some who crossed over into this service from the other.
I have no problems on 30m. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (KI4ITV @ Nov. 04 2007,13:27)]Quote[/b] (AF9J @ Nov. 04 2007,04:26)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 03 2007,22:41)]<snip!>
Funny all the folks in denial about how much worse things are since the beginning of this year.
Charlie,

75m has been like that forever. #I can remember, as a General in the late 80s, being jammed, and chased off of freqs. by hams who claimed roundtables I was in, were on "their" freq., that they'd met on for the past 20 years. #When I got my Advanced and my Extra (both in the early 90s), I used to make it a point to avoid the area above 3850 kHz like the plague. #As far as I can tell, the behavior hasn't changed much in the last 20 years or so on 75m.

73,
Ellen - AF9J
Ellen,
Your comment does not fit the stated agenda. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

Other than that...
Charlie is probably right to some extent.
It makes perfect sense that the CB crowd would immediately gravitate toward 75m. #It is the perceived grandaddy of the the ham bands where they run more power and ragchew for hours and hours on end. #It also has a reputation for being the most like their former radio service. #Basically, #it is panacea for those that would not have moved up or into amateur radio any other way than by a rule change.
It should not surprise anyone that 75m phone is THE goal and would suffer more than some of the other bands.

Please note that I have no problem with the post code HF'ers. #I just suspected that we would see a little of this happen based on the nature of some who crossed over into this service from the other.
I have no problems on 30m. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

[w4brf]

it,s ok folks it,s ok just get on the Radio and start talking a little more ,and dont worry so much , w4brf bill http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KD4IFB]

So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? #And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Nov. 03 2007,22:07)]Well I'm listening to the Liberty net on 3950Khz and some Diptard is jamming the frequency. What happening, some does not like free speech?? I dont agree with W1WCR wanting Bush Impeached and he bashes Dems and Repubs equally but I back him up when it come to free speech. If some one does not like what some one said on the Liberty net then tune up, check in, and have a civil debate. Don't jam the frequency, It againts the FCC regs. the Jammer is a *D-Bag and should be busted by the FCC. Stop the Jamming!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Rick KC2ESD

*D does not equal Dirtbag.
I was listening to my daily "preachers net" on about 3.945, and KC0EBM was having a tought time with a "quarmer" that kept recording people and playing it back over and over...

This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR

..you get the ideal. THEN I hear the most unpopular ham in Canada on frequency, ve7kfm‏, Carol, not sure if it was him or a recording....

I thought I was on the wrong band, well I wasn't! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Anyhow some QSY'ed

What I understand is the "quarmers" was jamming 3.445, but they ignored them and moved up the dial. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It was a bad night.

KC0EBM should be unbanned. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
Doesn't matter. It's 10 times worse now.

[N2RJ]

Rick,

Are you a newbie to HF? Jamming Is as old as radio itself.

Furthermore, while I respect their right to free speech, two things bother me about the liberty net -

- They are associated with Kevin Strom, a well known white suprekacist.

- The "net" is more of a broadcast of extremist propaganda more than anything.

But I agree that the jammers are in the wrong, but what you gonna do?

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,12:55)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? #And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
Doesn't matter. #It's 10 times worse now.
Oh, and where did you get your National Statistics on this??? Thats a joke!!

[KC9JIQ]

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/vicvtorious/

Looks like this has been going on WELL before the CODE was DROPED, so NO this cannot be blamed on the code test, sorry.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (AF9J @ Nov. 04 2007,09:26)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 03 2007,22:41)]<snip!>
Funny all the folks in denial about how much worse things are since the beginning of this year.
Charlie,

75m has been like that forever. I can remember, as a General in the late 80s, being jammed, and chased off of freqs. by hams who claimed roundtables I was in, were on "their" freq., that they'd met on for the past 20 years. When I got my Advanced and my Extra (both in the early 90s), I used to make it a point to avoid the area above 3850 kHz like the plague. As far as I can tell, the behavior hasn't changed much in the last 20 years or so on 75m.

73,
Ellen - AF9J
Thanks for your perspective. Whether it was bad before is not the point. The point is that it is much worse now. No argument 75 was "like that" before, it's just "like that" much more now. I agree "behavior hasn't changed" in the last 20 years there are just more people doing it.

[N8GAV]

KC0EBM is where he belongs!!!!! In The Land of Citizens Banded http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KC9JIQ]

Quote[/b] (N8GAV @ Nov. 04 2007,13:08)]KC0EBM is where he belongs!!!!! In The Land of Citizens Banded #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Why blame the victim?

KC0EBM ID's every 10 minutes, he does NOT broadcast, a QSO can go on for more than 10 mininutes, they talk about somthing different than back pains and radios.

The only thing "CB" about KC0EBM is his use of the term "Quarming" http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KC0EBM is really a respectable person to look up to as a elmer, with his experience with QRM, and his dertermination to carry on a QSO, he is more than likely more experienced that those "cq cq" contest hams.

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 04 2007,14:51)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Nov. 03 2007,22:07)]Well I'm listening to the Liberty net on 3950Khz and some Diptard is jamming the frequency. What happening, some does not like free speech?? I dont agree with W1WCR wanting Bush Impeached and he bashes Dems and Repubs equally but I back him up when it come to free speech. If some one does not like what some one said on the Liberty net then tune up, check in, and have a civil debate. Don't jam the frequency, It againts the FCC regs. the Jammer is a *D-Bag and should be busted by the FCC. Stop the Jamming!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Rick KC2ESD

*D does not equal Dirtbag.
I was listening to my daily "preachers net" on about 3.945, and KC0EBM was having a tought time with a "quarmer" that kept recording people and playing it back over and over...

This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR

..you get the ideal. #THEN I hear the most unpopular ham in Canada on frequency, ve7kfm‏, Carol, not sure if it was him or a recording....

I thought I was on the wrong band, well I wasn't! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Anyhow some QSY'ed

What I understand is the "quarmers" was jamming 3.445, but they ignored them and moved up the dial. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It was a bad night.

KC0EBM should be unbanned. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
That's unfortunate. By the way, what is a "quarmer"?

Is that like a QRMer? I'm kind of old so maybe that's one that slipped past me....

[KI4ITV]

Quote[/b] (KA4DPO @ Nov. 04 2007,08:55)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 04 2007,14:51)]Quote[/b] (KC2ESD @ Nov. 03 2007,22:07)]Well I'm listening to the Liberty net on 3950Khz and some Diptard is jamming the frequency. What happening, some does not like free speech?? I dont agree with W1WCR wanting Bush Impeached and he bashes Dems and Repubs equally but I back him up when it come to free speech. If some one does not like what some one said on the Liberty net then tune up, check in, and have a civil debate. Don't jam the frequency, It againts the FCC regs. the Jammer is a *D-Bag and should be busted by the FCC. Stop the Jamming!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Rick KC2ESD

*D does not equal Dirtbag.
I was listening to my daily "preachers net" on about 3.945, and KC0EBM was having a tought time with a "quarmer" that kept recording people and playing it back over and over...

This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR, This is W1WCR,This is W1WCR This is W1WCR This is This is W1WCR W1WCR

..you get the ideal. THEN I hear the most unpopular ham in Canada on frequency, ve7kfm‏, Carol, not sure if it was him or a recording....

I thought I was on the wrong band, well I wasn't! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Anyhow some QSY'ed

What I understand is the "quarmers" was jamming 3.445, but they ignored them and moved up the dial. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It was a bad night.

KC0EBM should be unbanned. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
That's unfortunate. By the way, what is a "quarmer"?

Is that like a QRMer? I'm kind of old so maybe that's one that slipped past me....
That would be "Qwarming". The spelling is critical to the correct pronunciation.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

I think it means actively participating in intentional QRM.

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,13:00)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,12:55)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? #And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
Doesn't matter. #It's 10 times worse now.
Oh, and where did you get your National Statistics on this??? Thats a joke!!
National Bad radio practice statistics!! #How to find it on the Net..Its now 10 times worse everyone... Ask Charlie for statistic details!!

[wz9o]

That’s the netaholic trio.

That pic was taken during the filming of their latest video…titled “The 75 meter blues”

[w4brf]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,12:55)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? #And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
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ag4yo-Doesn't matter. It's 10 times worse now---------------------------------------------------------------------------------(mr charlie what have you got going on ,you even got the monkeys laughting at you now ,) w4brf http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[W5HTW]

I disagree with this "forever" and "always" stuff. In the 1950s you could literally, and I do mean literally, count on the fingers of one hand, the very few hams who did deliberate interference. I can actually recall two on 75 meters. Yeah, two.

It is true, though, that with the "new liberties" brought on in the late 1960s, when the "in" thing to do was break the law, that interference, as well as other rules violations such as profanity, began to increase noticeably. However, I can't say that was really the "new society attitude/drugs" or that it was more people getting into amateur radio. It was, though, around the time CB was starting its wild hayride.

From must my own observations, things remained fairly static, QRM-wise, through the early 1970s. It was there, certainly, and it was much worse than it had been in the 1950s or 1960s, but the huge migration from CB did not take place until 1987. From that point on, things went dramatically downhill.

During the late 1990s I began to hate turning the radio on, and actually would not if my wife was in the room. It wasn't that she had not heard such language, but rather that I did not want her to learn that amateur radio was just an RF form of the gutter. She would wonder why I participated in it, and she would be right to do so.

So times do change. I do not argue the point that there have always been a few hams who QRM (I never knew any ham who "quarmed," though) deliberately. They were a minority, and mostly they were regional. Certain areas of the country had two or three, while other areas - call areas - had none, at least none you would ever hear. Most of what I heard in the 50s and 60s was located primarily in 2-land, followed by 6-land. And then, bringing up the rear was 4-land. But rarely, if ever, did I hear a 9, or 7 or 5 or a 1 performing such antics. And "antics" back then were far milder than they are now. Saying "hell" on the air was a no-no. Now it is a requirement. In general (and I agree to the exceptions) hams respected the hobby, for they worked hard to get a license and di dnot want to lose it. They actually both feared and respected the FCC.

That respect for authority went away in 1967-1968, and over the next ten years spread through society. Which included ham radio.

But I have to be honest. Back then we were dealing with a total of 125,000 licensed hams, so five of them could be pretty visible. Now we are dealing with 3/4 million, and it probably takes 500 of them to be highly visible.

And we have them! So while I agree with AG4YO that the percentage of 'bad hams" has certainly increased, I think it started long before the removal of, or reduction in, the code testing. In the 1960s I spent a LOT of time on 75 meters, and I just never heard this kind of garbage we hear today. It may have been there, but if it was one percent of the hams, it was scattered so widely you could spend months without hearing it. Today at one percent that is a bunch of hams, even accounting for the guess that half of the people holding ham licenses are totally inactive.

On a final note, I don't listen to 75 meters anymore, so I guess I miss the 'fun.' I know there are people who say 20 meters is bad, but there are only a couple of 'bad' frequencies on 20, and I simply don't go there. Most of the ham activity I hear is just fine.

Back in the late 1990s and early 2000's, 2 meters was itself a rather horrible sounding CB clone. Now that is almost entirely gone. Have those people shifted to HF? Or did they get tired of VHF CB and just drop out? I don't know, but 2 meters is rarely embarrassing anymore.

Ed


Ed

[ai4ep]

(sigh ) all the foolks that are doing the interfering have to do is ---come here and read about how succwessful their antics are.

WHY GIVE THEM THE FREE PUBLICITY ??

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,14:24)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,13:00)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,12:55)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
Doesn't matter. It's 10 times worse now.
Oh, and where did you get your National Statistics on this??? Thats a joke!!
National Bad radio practice statistics!! How to find it on the Net..Its now 10 times worse everyone... Ask Charlie for statistic details!!
ROFLMAO! IFB, answering your own posts? It's like you're saying, "Please someone notice me....please! Oh Please!" How sad.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (w4brf @ Nov. 04 2007,14:41)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,12:55)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,12:35)]So who was there doing all this improper radio practice before the first of the year?? And Im sure the FCC knew there would be alot more traffic on all bands after the code drop... So are you just upset now that your not alone.. Or are you just looking for some way out to blame people for what has always existed..Because regardless of the band.. Its always been present at one time or another..
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ag4yo-Doesn't matter. It's 10 times worse now---------------------------------------------------------------------------------(mr charlie what have you got going on ,you even got the monkeys laughting at you now ,) w4brf http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Naw, IFB is in the bushes back there tickling their hineys.

[KD4IFB]

Ed I agree with you in this statement in alot of ways.. My difference with Charlie is that it didnt happen all after the first of the year as he would like to think.. And to say its now 10 times worse now because of the first of the year.. That I dont agree! #Yes there are alot more operators...But we cant blame things on folks we arent sure about..The freqs. are going to start to come alive now with more and more ops..patience and courtesy may very well be pushed to the end with all ops period! #Which could be the very root of the problem..Its just a thin line all the way around.

[ai4ep]

........most of the "jamming " that I have heard on 3.950 & 3.965 were from stations transmitting a single tone that it was easy for any one ( even weak stations ) to get through with their message .

I havent heard a single jamming station effectively wipe out any other type of communication on any frequency; sure it was there and noticable, but the station transmitting any information "walked on " the "jammer " station with the greatest of ease ( no challenge ).

So IMHO the jammer was wasting his or her time attempting in a foolish fashion to take over a net or other conversation / communication , and should have been on the internet where the lids belong any way......is that why YOU are here ?


* edited to take out any intelligence *

[KI4WCA]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 04 2007,15:06)](sigh ) all the foolks that are doing the interfering have to do is ---come here and read about how succwessful their antics are.

WHY GIVE THEM THE FREE PUBLICITY ??
Most of the idiots I hear jamming are either trying to jam with a QRP rig or totally inept.I suspect the latter.Of course they could be operating mobile, but almost any mobile unit has a better signal for some reason.If only ignorant newcomers are to blame(obviously not true) rejoicing is in order in one regard...they don't put out much of a signal.11 meters is a band where a 1/4 wave vertical is only 9 feet.80 meters takes some real expertise to radiate efficently.Not to mention height and space.I have never had a jammer close to me.Or I would have tracked him down and reported him.Instead of complaining....can we all agree to track these idiots down?3950 has been a circus for many years.This kind of activity, allowed to continue for so long is one reason 80 is a mess.The fools are attracted to it, so if it continues, it only gets worse.Bemoaning rules changes and blaming newcomers for the mess omits this point:AR is self policed.The newcomers did not let 80 get this bad.It was a mess long before feb 07.I think hf fox hunting would be great fun.I will do it.

Free publicity?They should be ashamed.And afraid of those who are sick of the nonsense tracking them down.It really is not that hard.It happens because we allow it!

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif but...being SELF POLICING and tapping out a post on the internet are 2 different things.

Which is easier to do ?

You have to pull / push yourself away from the keyboard, get out IN your mobile unit and ride around and spend a lot of money on gasoline to attempt to find the culprits...plus the time involved attempting to try to DO something.

Most of us will just sit here and tap on the keyboard instead of attempting any thing else.

I aint no vigilante. I want to live to see tomorrow. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KD4IFB]

Yea it is real expencive.. Thats why the FCC doesnt mess with it I guess.. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[KI4WCA]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 04 2007,18:26)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif but...being SELF POLICING and tapping out a post on the internet are 2 different things.

Which is easier to do ?

You have to pull / push yourself away from the keyboard, get out IN your mobile unit and ride around and spend a lot of money on gasoline to attempt to find the culprits...plus the time involved attempting to try to DO something.

Most of us will just sit here and tap on the keyboard instead of attempting any thing else.

I aint no vigilante. I want to live to see tomorrow. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Then it will only get worse.There are enough of us, huge amounts of driving should not be required.Only the will to make the idiocy stop.

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (KI4WCA @ Nov. 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 04 2007,18:26)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif but...being SELF POLICING #and tapping out a post on the internet are 2 different things.

Which is easier to do ?

You have to pull / push yourself away from the keyboard, get out IN your mobile unit and ride around and spend a lot of money on gasoline to attempt to find the culprits...plus the time involved attempting to try to DO something.

Most of us will just sit here and tap on the keyboard instead of attempting any thing else.

I aint no vigilante. #I want to live to see tomorrow. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Then it will only get worse.There are enough of us, huge amounts of driving should not be required.Only the will to make the idiocy stop.
Really Michael, I think theres alot to it.. A person jamming me on 80 can be anywhere within a 200 mile radious and can effectivly do the job..Im not going to do the FCCs job.. For it to be legal, they would have to get involved..The truly easiest way to deal with them is to move to another freq..73

[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Nov. 04 2007,22:02)]I disagree with this "forever" and "always" stuff. In the 1950s you could literally, and I do mean literally, count on the fingers of one hand, the very few hams who did deliberate interference. I can actually recall two on 75 meters. Yeah, two.

It is true, though, that with the "new liberties" brought on in the late 1960s, when the "in" thing to do was break the law, that interference, as well as other rules violations such as profanity, began to increase noticeably. However, I can't say that was really the "new society attitude/drugs" or that it was more people getting into amateur radio. It was, though, around the time CB was starting its wild hayride.
I don't think it had anything to do with 60's counterculture, and may have been only indirectly related to CB. What started it was the AM vs SSB battles, circa 1963. The holdouts who refused to follow the propaganda line, dump their old AM rig, and go out and buy a Swan, Galaxy, Heathkit "Hotwater" rig, or one of the other newly available, inexpensive "sideband for the masses" transceivers, were ostracised by other hams as they defiantly continued to operate AM. There would be intensive jamming of QSO's, followed by retaliation by AM'ers in the form of counter-jamming. Almost overnight deliberate interference became commonplace on the amateur bands, particularly on 75m.

The AM vs SSB wars are long over, but the legacy of deliberate QRM and jamming remains very much with us.

[KD4IFB]

We could send the FCC in under cover..Money would always be the issue though..But I believe it would work..

[KI4WCA]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,18:57)]Quote[/b] (KI4WCA @ Nov. 04 2007,18:43)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ Nov. 04 2007,18:26)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif but...being SELF POLICING and tapping out a post on the internet are 2 different things.

Which is easier to do ?

You have to pull / push yourself away from the keyboard, get out IN your mobile unit and ride around and spend a lot of money on gasoline to attempt to find the culprits...plus the time involved attempting to try to DO something.

Most of us will just sit here and tap on the keyboard instead of attempting any thing else.

I aint no vigilante. I want to live to see tomorrow. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Then it will only get worse.There are enough of us, huge amounts of driving should not be required.Only the will to make the idiocy stop.
Really Michael, I think theres alot to it.. A person jamming me on 80 can be anywhere within a 200 mile radious and can effectivly do the job..Im not going to do the FCCs job.. For it to be legal, they would have to get involved..The truly easiest way to deal with them is to move to another freq..73
The only problem with QSYing is when you get followed.You are right in saying it is a lot of trouble.You have to get a lot of people involved.After finding the culprit, then contact the FCC.I am not suggesting vigilante tactics, or even confronting the problem op directly.But a stroll across the bands, 80 in particular, indicates something needs to actually be done.I do not want to participate in an 11 meter style circus.It would be easy to give up and QSY...even to another band.That over time leads to 80 having only idiots.
I wish like many the FCC would step up.But the priority is not AR.We have to take a much more active role.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,15:22)]And to say its now 10 times worse now because of the first of the year.. That I dont agree! Yes there are alot more operators...
You actually make my point for me. Funny how everyone jumped to the no code conclusion when my point was about numbers. Of course it was fun watching all the waffling and sputtering.

My point was simply that if you assume X number of diptards per 1000 amateurs, that for every thousand you add you add another X worth of screwballs. Amateur ranks were declining before the first of the year and the momentary blip from all the upgrades simply added more numbers, and more X's.

You can disagree all you want, but even people I know who supported the rules change are saying that 80M is much worse. It isn't about the code, it's about the number of new arrivals and the proportional amount of uber-goobers that got in with them.

[KA4DPO]

Yeah it looks like a couple more a them X's slipped in under the wire.

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,20:22)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 04 2007,15:22)]And to say its now 10 times worse now because of the first of the year.. That I dont agree! #Yes there are alot more operators...
You actually make my point for me. #Funny how everyone jumped to the no code conclusion when my point was about numbers. #Of course it was fun watching all the waffling and sputtering.

My point was simply that if you assume X number of diptards per 1000 amateurs, that for every thousand you add you add another X worth of screwballs. #Amateur ranks were declining before the first of the year and the momentary blip from all the upgrades simply added more numbers, and more X's. #

You can disagree all you want, but even people I know who supported the rules change are saying that 80M is much worse. It isn't about the code, it's about the number of new arrivals and the proportional amount of uber-goobers that got in with them.
I see your point Charlie. But you were a little vague on presenting it in the original post.. Because since we are now talking about us as a whole. How many hams that didnt do these things, do them now?... How many did slip under the wire?.. How many did it before on both sides of the fence? Your point I see. With the way some amateurs accepted Ops. after the first of the year,its easy to see how the jamming wars on both sides of the wire could have been started..From good and bad ops alike. Gotta go.. Stock markets open..73

[W5HTW]

I have a serious question.

Why should the FCC care?

Really. Why should they care? As long as we do our thing, legal or illegal, inside the allocated amateur radio bands, why should they care? Why should they spend money attempting to enforce rules for a bunch of amateurs who are not harming anyone but themselves?

I can easily see the FCC enforcing out of band operation. But think about CB. It was a regulated service, with fairly strict rules, in the early 1960s. It overwhelmed the FCC by the late 1960s. What did they do? They simply dropped the rules. They stopped any enforcement at all, except for attempts at controlling high power amplifiers.

Why? It dawned on them! Why spend money and effort and time to try to fix somethign that isn't hurting anything? "Let 'er rip."

They have zero enforcement action on the so-called freeband between 27400 to 28000. They figure it isn't hurting anyone.

That is where we are. We aren't hurting anyone except ourselves. As long as they can keep us in line on 60 meters, and on 440 mhz, and can keep us relatively in line on 30 meters, that's all they have to do. If we get on 3950 or 14275 or 7250 or whatever, we aren't bothering anyone but some other poor ham. We are a VERY low priority, right on the bottom of the list down there with CB and who makes the office coffee this morning.

What is the next step? Well, if history is a clue, complete deregulation just might be down the pike. We can complain all we want here or on other forums, but the really deep serious question is, "why should the FCC care?"

Ed

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,07:49)]With the way some amateurs accepted Ops. after the first of the year,its easy to see how the jamming wars on both sides of the wire could have been started..
Lacking the maturity to just say "no" to participating in QRMing is the issue. If you do it stop. If you have not done it, resist the tempatation of "nobody will know". You will know and if that isn't enough then you don't deserve that ticket.

All new amateurs go through a disillusionment... nobody wants to talk to me, nobody shows me any respect...etc. It's worse in people who have had some sort of recognition as psuedo-experts in another field or radio service. They resent going to the bottom of the pecking order. The mature ones outgrow it in a month or so because that "pecking order" is as much in our minds as it is a real thing. I know Amateurs who couldn't solder a PL-259 without getting solder on their elbow who are being well received because of their great attitude.

Here are a few anti-pi$$off rules:

1. If your station or signal sucks, it's not the other guy's fault.

2. Some people have been talking to each other for years. You won't become part of that group without alot of patience.

3. You're not God's gift to AR. Yet. You could be if you wanted to be. But for now everyone knows you're a newbee. Deal with it.

4. Don't QRM. It poisons your own Ham Radio soul. It's the HR equivlent to shooting someone in the back like a coward.

5. Sometimes you won't be able to talk to anyone on the radio. Could be conditions, or that the band is full, or that the cards are delt that nobody wants to talk to you THAT MOMENT in time. AR is not "all about you". Patience. You'll find someone to chat with. Try another mode perhaps or just chill.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif attaboy CHARLIE, you tell 'em !!

Boy, if any one knows what they are talking about, it is ag4yo. He really knows his stuff.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Man that Charlie is some kind of radio genius, we are sooo lucky to get to read some of his words of WISDOM !!

You tell 'um Charlie !! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KD6NIG]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Nov. 05 2007,08:08)]I have a serious question.

Why should the FCC care?

Really. Why should they care? As long as we do our thing, legal or illegal, inside the allocated amateur radio bands, why should they care? Why should they spend money attempting to enforce rules for a bunch of amateurs who are not harming anyone but themselves?

I can easily see the FCC enforcing out of band operation. But think about CB. It was a regulated service, with fairly strict rules, in the early 1960s. It overwhelmed the FCC by the late 1960s. What did they do? They simply dropped the rules. They stopped any enforcement at all, except for attempts at controlling high power amplifiers.

Why? It dawned on them! Why spend money and effort and time to try to fix somethign that isn't hurting anything? "Let 'er rip."

They have zero enforcement action on the so-called freeband between 27400 to 28000. They figure it isn't hurting anyone.

That is where we are. We aren't hurting anyone except ourselves. As long as they can keep us in line on 60 meters, and on 440 mhz, and can keep us relatively in line on 30 meters, that's all they have to do. If we get on 3950 or 14275 or 7250 or whatever, we aren't bothering anyone but some other poor ham. We are a VERY low priority, right on the bottom of the list down there with CB and who makes the office coffee this morning.

What is the next step? Well, if history is a clue, complete deregulation just might be down the pike. We can complain all we want here or on other forums, but the really deep serious question is, "why should the FCC care?"

Ed
Toss in the fact that, except for Vanity Calls, that all we're doing is costing the FCC money (mailing out licenses and running the ULS computer does cost money) and I agree with you, 100%.

The only way we see enforcement is if we or anyone else is interfering or causing harm to a service thats vital for commerce, national relations, and/or is interfering or could interfere with someone who is paying the FCC a large licensing fee every year for the right to operate.

And I can hear you all saying "but wait! They are nailing freebanders on CB on occasion!" Its because they wouldn't be freebanders with a SIMPLE WRITTEN TEST and a callsign. Easy pickings. Plus, come on, they have to look like they are doing something.

I posted I think it was Friday about an infamous friend of "MAN" being questioned about his pirate radio station he bragged about having on here. I said I probably should take back some of the things I said about Riley and lax enforcement. I realize now that I'm not going to-they are going after him because of the PIRATE STATION who is likely ticking off a user who pays or is vital to the FCC. Thats the reason a row is being raised, not the fact he supports "MAN" or any of his actual ham radio antics, probably.

I've also suggested and been shot down many a time about if we got charged a license fee we might get more attention. The more I think about it, the only reason we're charged a Vanity Fee is because they are trying to recoup costs. They will never charge for a license, because if they did, then they would be obligated more to do more, even though the funds would go into the general coffer. By remaining a free license, its just a small line item on a budget somewhere.

I don't think there has been a 10 fold increase from the little listening I've done. When you'll see that 10 fold increase is in roughly 9.5 years when suddenly a bunch of licenses expire and are not renewed....

Then the majority of renewals will be some of these fun people, and the ratio will increase largely then http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif (Actual numbers, I mean)

Course, I have a feeling that some people who obtained licenses have already gone silent (for whatever reason) and have sold gear and left the hobby already, though they are still in the license rolls. It will just increase http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[ky5u]

Jammies on 3950Khz? I like this thread...

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,08:51)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,07:49)]With the way some amateurs accepted Ops. after the first of the year,its easy to see how the jamming wars on both sides of the wire could have been started..
Lacking the maturity to just say "no" to participating in QRMing is the issue. #If you do it stop. #If you have not done it, resist the tempatation of "nobody will know". #You will know and if that isn't enough then you don't deserve that ticket.

All new amateurs go through a disillusionment... nobody wants to talk to me, nobody shows me any respect...etc. #It's worse in people who have had some sort of recognition as psuedo-experts in another field or radio service. They resent going to the bottom of the pecking order. #The mature ones outgrow it in a month or so because that "pecking order" is as much in our minds as it is a real thing. #I know Amateurs who couldn't solder a PL-259 without getting solder on their elbow who are being well received because of their great attitude.

Here are a few anti-pi$$off rules:

1. If your station or signal sucks, it's not the other guy's fault.

2. Some people have been talking to each other for years. #You won't become part of that group without alot of patience.

3. Your not Gods gift to AR. Yet. You could be if you wanted to be. But for now everyone knows you as a newbie. Deal with it.

4. Don't QRM. #It poisons your own Ham Radio soul. It's the HR equivlent to shooting someone in the back like a coward.

5. Sometimes you won't be able to talk to anyone on the radio. #Could be conditions, or that the band is full, or that the cards are delt that nobody wants to talk to you THAT MOMENT in time. AR is not "all about you". Patience. You'll find someone to chat with. #Try another mode perhaps or just chill.
You're not God's gift to AR. #Yet. #You could be if you wanted to be. But for now everyone knows you're a newbee. #Deal with it. # #Whatever Charlie...Gods gift to Ham Radio... Ive heard it all now... I think some are just more fluent than others on the subject and would hopefully want to share their knowledge with other fellow hams.. #Your now makeing this out to be some kind of your better than everyone else, and until I allow you to be as good as me, deal with it because I will only talk to you if I want to, because I know more than you and your not as high a standard as I.....Thats the difference in the Ham Gods and the Newbies...lol # # Well I dont believe in Ham Gods.. But if I did, Id know the perfect thrown for them!! # Are you a Ham God Charlie? Or a Newbie at anything Ham Radio has to offer??

[w3dub]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,18:07)]ROFLMAO! IFB, answering your own posts? It's like you're saying, "Please someone notice me....please! Oh Please!" How sad.
Yeah, he learned from some pros of self-promotion that are on here everyday http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (KB3JGU @ Nov. 05 2007,19:29)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 04 2007,18:07)]ROFLMAO! #IFB, answering your own posts? It's like you're saying, "Please someone notice me....please! Oh Please!" #How sad.
Yeah, he learned from some pros of self-promotion that are on here everyday http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Yea that pic. Just wouldnt download. I had no choice.. Do you know any computer Gods out there as well?? Ed! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,12:01)]Jammies on 3950Khz? #I like this thread...
And Charlie, I really dont know what to think here?? What is this a sick joke or something?? Is that a kid?? And if it is,#why do you like it so much?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif She looks as though shes 14! Thats really sad!!

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,19:12)]Your now makeing this out to be some kind of your better than everyone else, and until I allow you to be as good as me, deal with it because I will only talk to you if I want to, because I know more than you and your not as high a standard as I.....Thats the difference in the Ham Gods and the Newbies...lol Well I dont believe in Ham Gods.. But if I did, Id know the perfect thrown for them!! Are you a Ham God Charlie? Or a Newbie at anything Ham Radio has to offer??
Gawd! Someone give him a hankie. Anytime you want your goat back, you can have him....

[KC5CSG]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,12:01)]Jammies on 3950Khz? #I like this thread...
And Charlie, I really dont know what to think here?? What is this a sick joke or something?? Is that a kid?? And if it is,#why do you like it so much?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif She looks as though shes 14! Thats really sad!!
LOL, yeah my wife and I thought it was sort of wierd posting that. We didn't know what to make of it. We'll give him the benefit of a doubt.

I guess we have been watching the news too much lately.

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (KC5CSG @ Nov. 05 2007,20:16)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,12:01)]Jammies on 3950Khz? #I like this thread...
And Charlie, I really dont know what to think here?? What is this a sick joke or something?? Is that a kid?? And if it is,#why do you like it so much?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif She looks as though shes 14! Thats really sad!!
LOL, yeah my wife and I thought it was sort of wierd posting that. We didn't know what to make of it. We'll give him the benefit of a doubt.

I guess we have been watching the news too much lately.
Well if you thought it, Im sure others have as well.. Atleast now I know it wasnt just me! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #And that goat looks kinda weak!

[KC5CSG]

Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:25)]Quote[/b] (KC5CSG @ Nov. 05 2007,20:16)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,12:01)]Jammies on 3950Khz? #I like this thread...
And Charlie, I really dont know what to think here?? What is this a sick joke or something?? Is that a kid?? And if it is,#why do you like it so much?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif She looks as though shes 14! Thats really sad!!
LOL, yeah my wife and I thought it was sort of wierd posting that. We didn't know what to make of it. We'll give him the benefit of a doubt.

I guess we have been watching the news too much lately.
Well if you thought it, Im sure others have as well.. Atleast now I know it wasnt just me! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #And that goat looks kinda weak!
Well David, I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another but someone made mention to watch the language because their six year old reads here. I can agree with that but it's not just the language that needs to be watched.

I'll tell you something that happened from my tinkering in qrz that ticked me off to no end. I have a short memory so again, I can't remember the thread that led me to a certain website that enraged me.

They were talking about this guy N9OGL. Now, being somewhat new to this board I didn't have an extensive knowledge of this guy. Something interesting was said about his pirate radio station and it was said in the post to go to his website (Blog) and you'll see what he said himself. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION THAT HIS BLOG HAS VIRTUAL CHILD PORN ALL OVER IT!!!

No warning whatsoever...........well I went and immediately had to go back and post a warning and thanking the guy for sending me to a site that was now a cookie in my yahoo search engine dohicky. Not to mention that is material I absolutely do not want to see!

Now, what would have happened if that six year old went to N9OGL's blog? Seriously, we need to think about the problems that can be caused by giving a little information and not GIVING ENOUGH WARNING about what we're about to see.

Edited: Okay, I'll have to correct a little. Someone said "whatever you do don't google n9ogl". No other warning. Now we all know when you see that you're going to google the person. Some other guy responded by saying if that was what he represented then........seesh. Still no warning of the actual content. Sort of irresponsible in my book.

[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (KC5CSG @ Nov. 05 2007,20:52)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:25)]Quote[/b] (KC5CSG @ Nov. 05 2007,20:16)]Quote[/b] (KD4IFB @ Nov. 05 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 05 2007,12:01)]Jammies on 3950Khz? #I like this thread...
And Charlie, I really dont know what to think here?? What is this a sick joke or something?? Is that a kid?? And if it is,#why do you like it so much?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif She looks as though shes 14! Thats really sad!!
LOL, yeah my wife and I thought it was sort of wierd posting that. We didn't know what to make of it. We'll give him the benefit of a doubt.

I guess we have been watching the news too much lately.
Well if you thought it, Im sure others have as well.. Atleast now I know it wasnt just me! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #And that goat looks kinda weak!
Well David, I'm not sure if it was in this thread or another but someone made mention to watch the language because their six year old reads here. I can agree with that but it's not just the language that needs to be watched.

I'll tell you something that happened from my tinkering in qrz that ticked me off to no end. I have a short memory so again, I can't remember the thread that led me to a certain website that enraged me.

They were talking about this guy N9OGL. Now, being somewhat new to this board I didn't have an extensive knowledge of this guy. Something interesting was said about his pirate radio station and it was said in the post to go to his website (Blog) and you'll see what he said himself. ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION THAT HIS BLOG HAS VIRTUAL CHILD PORN ALL OVER IT!!!

No warning whatsoever...........well I went and immediately had to go back and post a warning and thanking the guy for sending me to a site that was now a cookie in my yahoo search engine dohicky. Not to mention that is material I absolutely do not want to see!

Now, what would have happened if that six year old went to N9OGL's blog? Seriously, we need to think about the problems that can be caused by giving a little information and not GIVING ENOUGH WARNING about what we're about to see.

Jerry
I see, I dont believe it was on this thread, but I dont dought it happening at all..Thats really messed up.. I know the language has to be clean, or as clean as you can get away with for some.. But that web sight stuff is really messed up..You just never know who you are talking to on the other end I guess..Im glad Ive only seen real good sights here and have had no suprises like that.. My teen girls would S@&#! If I had of pulled up something like that..And they asked me was that his kid on the post, and why he would say that.."?" Hopefully that web sight deal you experienced was a one time only thing.. To all I have seen that were really great. Thnx..David http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[n1fm]

I am usually in favor of freedom of speech. #We must remember that certain freedoms are waived when you sign the agreement for your grant. #As far as Victor and the liberty net, I have noticed over the years that no matter who is in office, they usually attack. #It seems to have a flavor of anarchy.

[ai4ep]

Ok it is Friday night...what is new ??

[KD4IFB]

This thread again! Heard any Jammies, I mean Jammers this week? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC9JIQ]

Where has KC0EBM gone, last I knew he moved up to 3.957, the qwarmers are at it on 3.947...

Tom buddy, keep up the Lord's work and get the message out.

[ky5u]

Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 09 2007,20:22)]Where has KC0EBM gone, last I knew he moved up to 3.957, the qwarmers are at it on 3.947...

Tom buddy, keep up the Lord's work and get the message out.
That ain't Tommy. He's alot shorter and rounder. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC2ESD]

Well tonight will be the Liberty Net on 3950Khz +/- QRM at 10:00pm (03:00UTC 11/11/007). I bet the Dipsters will jam it again.

Rick KC2ESD

[KD4IFB]

Hopefully theyll give yall a break! Theres no dought theyre disliked by all..

[W0BLH]

Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Nov. 09 2007,22:33)]Quote[/b] (KC9JIQ @ Nov. 09 2007,20:22)]Where has KC0EBM gone, last I knew he moved up to 3.957, the qwarmers are at it on 3.947...

Tom buddy, keep up the Lord's work and get the message out.
That ain't Tommy. #He's alot shorter and rounder. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I guess if you were 5 ft tall with a 60" waist you would be a real rounder.

Andy W0BLH

[KD4IFB]

Theyre Jamming again!

[KC9JIQ]

Glad to see the amateur spirit alive and well. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KC2ESD]

No jamming I heard Sat night. I listened from 10:00pm to 12:00am EST (03:00 to 05:00 UTC). I tried to check in but no luck, others were also checking in and stepping on me. I'll try again next Saturday night. I've wanted to check in on the Liberty net since I first heard it in 1995 and soon I'll get my chance to get in and speak about the liberties we are loosing in NJ.

73 de Rick KC2ESD