Ron Paul: "there's a risk I could win" [Archive]

N3ATS

11-01-2007, 02:39 PM

People care less about the message than they do the messenger. The sheep will wait until the media and the mindless masses that are the zombie electorate to choose the next pawn to be our presidential icon.

Then they will claim they have to vote for the "lesser of two evils" and all the rest of that useless rhetoric the "intelligent voters" always spew forth. Boo hoo.

They will continue to complain about the "two-party" system and how both of the candidates are cut from the same cloth. Same old lip service from the mentally challenged.

They can't make a decision on who to support because they are afraid their guy will lose and they will look foolish. Or maybe it's because they are bandwagon jumpers who like it when other people make their decisions for them. Maybe both?

The only little puppies are those who will support the status quo.

K7JEM

11-01-2007, 02:41 PM

Well said, Albert.

I get so tired of RP being touted here by his minions. I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe

N3ATS

11-01-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:41)]I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe
Case in point.

al2i

11-01-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Oct. 31 2007,21:01)]The campaign has been going so well in his view that "there's probably a risk I could win," Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul just told NBC-TV's Jay Leno.
As I have been watching these recent interviews I am struck by how much Dr. Paul has settled into the candidacy. When he is relaxed and comfortable his candor and humanity really starts to reach the audience.

It is refreshing to have a candidate who is not running on the Personality Cult ticket, but tens of millions of shallow voters will feel they are performing a civic duty by voting in a national media show called "America's Got a President!"

K7JEM

11-01-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Nov. 01 2007,07:46)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:41)]I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe
Case in point.
Sorry, thats the way it works in this country.

We do choose between the lesser of two evils, has been that way for generations.

We could be like Argentina and have 19 people on the ballot, but that doesn't work well either.

RP has some good ideas, but his supporters seem to be lunatic fringe, in many cases.

Joe

al2i

11-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,06:51)]RP has some good ideas, but his supporters seem to be lunatic fringe, in many cases.
That would be Hillary Clinton.

N3ATS

11-01-2007, 03:15 PM

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:51)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Nov. 01 2007,07:46)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:41)]I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe
Case in point.
Sorry, thats the way it works in this country.

We do choose between the lesser of two evils, has been that way for generations.

We could be like Argentina and have 19 people on the ballot, but that doesn't work well either.

RP has some good ideas, but his supporters seem to be lunatic fringe, in many cases.

Joe
My point was made when you said that if gained more traction you would consider him.

Why does that matter? If you think he is a decent guy for the job then why not support him? If you don't like his platform than don't support him. Why would you need him to be "accepted" by the masses? Who cares?

Are some of his supporters "out there"? Absolutely. But what you should consider is that the other candidates are the lunatic fringe with some of their thoughts and ideas.

Think for yourself OM. Love him or hate him but make up your own mind. It's your vote, not the media's, the corporations or the mindless electorate who always follow blindily.

kc2orw

11-01-2007, 03:52 PM

To tell you the truth lot of people don't like the message it isn't that they are sheep. To me much of what he says doesn't make sense in this time and place. I think he was born a century too late...

PS: Oh yes and I actually like the Ron Paul message being a bit more Libertarian in my orientation. But I feel like my own views are out of touch with the way the world is today.

K7JEM

11-01-2007, 04:59 PM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Nov. 01 2007,08:15)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:51)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Nov. 01 2007,07:46)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,09:41)]I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe
Case in point.
Sorry, thats the way it works in this country.

We do choose between the lesser of two evils, has been that way for generations.

We could be like Argentina and have 19 people on the ballot, but that doesn't work well either.

RP has some good ideas, but his supporters seem to be lunatic fringe, in many cases.

Joe
My point was made when you said that if gained more traction you would consider him.

Why does that matter? If you think he is a decent guy for the job then why not support him? If you don't like his platform than don't support him. Why would you need him to be "accepted" by the masses? Who cares?

Are some of his supporters "out there"? Absolutely. But what you should consider is that the other candidates are the lunatic fringe with some of their thoughts and ideas.

Think for yourself OM. Love him or hate him but make up your own mind. It's your vote, not the media's, the corporations or the mindless electorate who always follow blindily.
I didn't say I would support him, just that I would pay more attention to him.

I don't disagree with most of what he says, he just wouldn't be my first choice. I would tend to support someone who has more of a chance, and is more in line with my thoughts.

RP seems to have rabid support from a small percentage of voters, as opposed to wide (but shallow) support from a larger population. It actually takes the latter to be electable, and I don't think RP will ever achieve that.

I neither love nor hate RP. I have some support for his ideas, but it is very shallow. If he becomes a frontrunner, I may support him more, as I really don't have much more interest in any of the candidates, they all have problems.

Like it or not, we have a de-facto two party system. Hillary will probably be the nominee of one party. The Repubs will nominate one of these guys. I will probably vote for which ever candidate is nominated by them, since I really don't want Hillary in there. It will be more of a choice against her, than a vote for any of these guys, at least at this point.

RP's candidacy could be a devisive thing, if he chooses to make a third party bid, or refuse to support the candidate nominated by his party.

Just as people say that Nader caused Gore to lose the election, so it might be argued that RP could cause Hillary to be elected, of course depending on the primary outcomes, and RP's decisions.

If RP is nominated, I will support him fully. I don't think he has a chance, however. If he makes a third party run, I wouldn't support him at all.

Joe

KG4JYD

11-01-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,07:41)]I may pay more attention to him [Ron Paul] if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.
This Time magazine article came out this morning and Intrade has Dr. Paul at 8.9 now ahead of McCain and Thompson. The donation numbers should boost this even further.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-1,00.html

W8EFA

11-01-2007, 05:38 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 01 2007,13:26)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,07:41)]I may pay more attention to him [Ron Paul] if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.
This Time magazine article came out this morning and Intrade has Dr. Paul at 8.9 now ahead of McCain and Thompson. #The donation numbers should boost this even further.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-1,00.html
A better, more enlightening, #passage from the same article.

Quote[/b] ]His message, even if packaged in obscure economic lectures, is that there is something very corrupt, very Halliburton-Blackwatery going on with our military-industrial complex, and that can attract some pretty weird followers.

There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says GOP consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f____ you.'"

The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls, where he hasn't broken above 5% and has yet to pass Mike Huckabee.

In other words, Ron Paul #is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, #evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.

al2i

11-01-2007, 05:41 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,09:38)]In other words, Ron Paul is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.
Of course, W8EFA is not a fruitcake with mush toppings.

N9XR

11-01-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,05:38)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 01 2007,13:26)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,07:41)]I may pay more attention to him [Ron Paul] if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.
This Time magazine article came out this morning and Intrade has Dr. Paul at 8.9 now ahead of McCain and Thompson. The donation numbers should boost this even further.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-1,00.html
A better, more enlightening, passage from the same article.

Quote[/b] ]There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says GOP consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f____ you.'"

The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls, where he hasn't broken above 5% and has yet to pass Mike Huckabee.

In other words, Ron Paul is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.
The Clintons have come out loudly against this belief of the Administration conspiring to take out those buildings on Sept 11th.

That is one of the main reasons Hillary has problems getting support.

al2i

11-01-2007, 05:50 PM

Will the Ron Paul supporters who believe that the WTC was destroyed by a faction in the US government please let us know. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

W8EFA

11-01-2007, 06:05 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,13:50)]Will the Ron Paul supporters who believe that the WTC was destroyed by a faction in the US government please let us know. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] ]There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

Seems to have been a pretty accurate analysis to me

KL1ZB

11-01-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Oct. 31 2007,08:41)]I may pay more attention to him if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.

Joe
Are you telling us you rate someone higher if the people around you pay more attention to them???

Wouldn't you want to find out for yourself, If someone is worth paying attention too.

kc2orw

11-01-2007, 06:14 PM

You know what who cares anyway if RP can get the Republican nomination, big if considering he is really a Libertarian, then he still has to face Hillary. If and only if he could get that far I imagine he still can't beat Hillary... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

al2i

11-01-2007, 06:19 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,10:05)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,13:50)]Will the Ron Paul supporters who believe that the WTC was destroyed by a faction in the US government please let us know. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Quote[/b] ]There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

Seems to have been a pretty accurate analysis to me
I have not met a Ron Paul supporter who did not believe in the rule of law, but I have have met supporters of other candidates who believe in rulers.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/ruler.gif

KG4JYD

11-01-2007, 07:36 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,10:38)]In other words, Ron Paul is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.
He has more than passed Huckabee in fund raising.

And every candidate has their "extreme" supporters out there, not just Ron Paul. What you posted is not an accurate description of the Ron Paul supporters. You should read the definition of "fact" sometime and then contrast that to the definition of "opinion" shortly thereafter. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KG4JYD

11-01-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ Nov. 01 2007,11:14)]You know what who cares anyway if RP can get the Republican nomination, big if considering he is really a Libertarian, then he still has to face Hillary. If and only if he could get that far I imagine he still can't beat Hillary... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ron Paul is the ONLY GOP member who can beat Hillary.

When Clinton won "it was the economy stupid". Now "it's Iraq stupid".

RP is the only GOP up there who didn't support and doesn't support our unconstitutional invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. Even Hillary supports it. If the GOP doesn't send Ron Paul to go against Hillary, Bill will be the first lady.

W8EFA

11-01-2007, 08:56 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 01 2007,15:36)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,10:38)]In other words, Ron Paul #is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, #evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.
He has more than passed Huckabee in fund raising.

And every candidate has their "extreme" supporters out there, not just Ron Paul. What you posted is not an accurate description of the Ron Paul supporters. You should read the definition of "fact" sometime and then contrast that to the definition of "opinion" shortly thereafter. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So he passed Huckabee in fund raising but can't pass him in supporters? #That is even worse.

Quote[/b] ] Poll Averages - Democrats
Hillary Clinton 44.9%
Barack Obama 22.0%
John Edwards 12.4%
Poll Averages - Republicans
Rudy Giuliani 29.0%
Fred Thompson 17.0%
John McCain 14.7%
Mitt Romney 11.2%
Mike Huckabee 6.7%

He doesn't even make the list! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

And what I posted is from the link you provided. #You should read the complete article you referenced before you use it.

kc2orw

11-01-2007, 09:32 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 01 2007,15:39)]Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ Nov. 01 2007,11:14)]You know what who cares anyway if RP can get the Republican nomination, big if considering he is really a Libertarian, then he still has to face Hillary. If and only if he could get that far I imagine he still can't beat Hillary... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ron Paul is the ONLY GOP member who can beat Hillary.

When Clinton won "it was the economy stupid". Now "it's Iraq stupid".

RP is the only GOP up there who didn't support and doesn't support our unconstitutional invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation. Even Hillary supports it. If the GOP doesn't send Ron Paul to go against Hillary, Bill will be the first lady.
But you still ain't getting it most Republican constituent have a very confused perspective on the Iraq war and why we went there. You can't really blame them as most of them listen to Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, etc in a very non critical manner.
I think they look at this Ron Paul as some kind of bass ackwards Democrat and they ain't hearing the sound bites they are used to hearing, I figure they won't vote for him http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But we can all dream can't we...
The Cass Eliot song should be his theme http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Mama Cass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZPmZ64m3_4)

KP3FT

11-01-2007, 09:46 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,10:38)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 01 2007,13:26)]Quote[/b] (K7JEM @ Nov. 01 2007,07:41)]I may pay more attention to him [Ron Paul] if he starts getting some traction, but I don't think that will happen.
This Time magazine article came out this morning and Intrade has Dr. Paul at 8.9 now ahead of McCain and Thompson. The donation numbers should boost this even further.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1678661-1,00.html
A better, more enlightening, passage from the same article.

Quote[/b] ]His message, even if packaged in obscure economic lectures, is that there is something very corrupt, very Halliburton-Blackwatery going on with our military-industrial complex, and that can attract some pretty weird followers.

There is a subset of Paul supporters who believe 9/11 was an inside job by the U.S. government. And there are anarchists as well: they've picked Nov. 5, Guy Fawkes Day, for a fund-raising drive.

"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says GOP consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f____ you.'"

The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls, where he hasn't broken above 5% and has yet to pass Mike Huckabee.

In other words, Ron Paul is a fruitcake attracting only fruitcake supporters, evidenced by the fact he can't pass Mike Huckabee.
I think a fruitcake is exactly what we need in office, someone with radical ideas, and "fruitcake" enough to try to push them through.

W8EFA

11-01-2007, 09:59 PM

I think he is really Ross Perot. #When is the last time you have seen Perot? #

Think about it. #He had a face transplant and is back. #

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")

al2i

11-01-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:59)]I think he is really Ross Perot. When is the last time you have seen Perot?

Think about it. He had a face transplant and is back.

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")
Perot was an intellectual midget.

W8EFA

11-02-2007, 02:05 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,19:16)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:59)]I think he is really Ross Perot. #When is the last time you have seen Perot? #

Think about it. #He had a face transplant and is back. #

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")
Perot was an intellectual midget.
Really?

Son of a cotton picker that went to the United States Naval academy and graduated head of his class?

Started EDS from scratch and eventually sold it for 2.4 Billion?

He may be a lot of things but an intellectual midget is not one of them.

I know that he would not let the likes of Bill O"reilly push him around like Ron Paul did . Anyone that lets Bill O'reilly absolutely trash them is not worthy to be our representative in negotiations with other world leaders.

al2i

11-02-2007, 02:29 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,18:05)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,19:16)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:59)]I think he is really Ross Perot. When is the last time you have seen Perot?

Think about it. He had a face transplant and is back.

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")
Perot was an intellectual midget.
Really?

Son of a cotton picker that went to the United States Naval academy and graduated head of his class?

Started EDS from scratch and eventually sold it for 2.4 Billion?

He may be a lot of things but an intellectual midget is not one of them.

I know that he would not let the likes of Bill O"reilly push him around like Ron Paul did . Anyone that lets Bill O'reilly absolutely trash them is not worthy to be our representative in negotiations with other world leaders.
Well if you think Ross Perot is that awesome and that Ron Paul is Ross Perot, then I retract my negative comments about Laser Beam Perot and thank you for your support.

KG4JYD

11-02-2007, 03:36 AM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:56)]So he passed Huckabee in fund raising but can't pass him in supporters? That is even worse.

He doesn't even make the list! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Again, that is inaccurate. Those polls are inaccurate...

Read this:
Picking Apart the Poll Numbers
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski84.html

Polling Methodology and Politics
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/fisk1.html

Ron Paul and Opinion Polling
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/pitkaniemi1.html

Ron Paul Leads in Polls of People Who Have Heard Him Speak
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/haman1.html

And then visit this site:
http://ronpaulgraphs.com/

W8EFA

11-02-2007, 03:53 AM

Those polls are innacurate? #Rassmussen, Zogby, etc? #According to Lew Rockwell? Lew Rockwell is a known nutcase railing Against Abraham Lincoln and saying we shouldn't have entered WW2 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Who cares what some nobody Ron Paul supporter named Lew Rockwell tries to spin?

Reality is that Ron Paul has absolutely no mainstream support and that is a fact. #He is averaging around 2%

Quote[/b] ]Paul, who Tuesday night told Jay Leno that he thinks he just might win the race for the White House, has the support of about 1.9% of Republicans nationally, according to Pollster.com's analysis of scientific surveys done by polling firms.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/wired-magazine-.html

al2i

11-02-2007, 05:06 AM

Looking forward to the actual elections is quite a bummer, as it may be Guliani vs Clinton, truly a lose-lose situation. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

KI4PEQ

11-02-2007, 05:49 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,17:16)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:59)]I think he is really Ross Perot. #When is the last time you have seen Perot? #

Think about it. #He had a face transplant and is back. #

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")
Perot was an intellectual midget.
And he cried about your assessment all the way to the bank. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

al2i

11-02-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote[/b] (KI4PEQ @ Nov. 01 2007,21:49)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,17:16)]Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,13:59)]I think he is really Ross Perot. When is the last time you have seen Perot?

Think about it. He had a face transplant and is back.

Next stop...the paranoidal break down. (That always comes after the "they are all out to get me" which was preceded by the "I hate everything about the establishment")
Perot was an intellectual midget.
And he cried about your assessment all the way to the bank. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
If you are comparing bank accounts we need to see yours. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

KG4JYD

11-02-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,20:53)]Those polls are innacurate? Rassmussen, Zogby, etc?

Reality is that Ron Paul has absolutely no mainstream support and that is a fact. He is averaging around 2%
Yes, those polls are inaccurate. One doesn't have to be a political scientist to understand that.

But you are correct, RP doesn't have mainstream following yet. He is polling low because the polls are inaccurate and stacked against him, but he also does not have quite the name recognition that he should, but that is changing by the day.

N3ATS

11-02-2007, 07:48 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 02 2007,00:06)]Looking forward to the actual elections is quite a bummer, as it may be Guliani vs Clinton, truly a lose-lose situation. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Not for most of the people here. This is what the sheeple want.

kc2orw

11-02-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 02 2007,01:06)]Looking forward to the actual elections is quite a bummer, as it may be Guliani vs Clinton, truly a lose-lose situation. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
Yes it is sad that barring unforeseen circumstances we are following the script pretty closely.

RP better clarify his message and not pretend to be a Reagan Republican. He should just be the Libertarian he really is and not hide it...
That way if stuff goes wrong he will improve his limited chances. Coarse that requires both Rudy and Mitt get caught up in big scandals.

W3MIV

11-02-2007, 08:39 PM

Ron Paul as being Ross Perot revamped is an interesting thesis. Both have the same initials -- something that is very difficult for most people to change when swapping IDs. They are both about the same size, as well.

It could be that in removing the mass of external auditory tissue from the sides of Ross Perot's head, the surgical team inadvertently extracted a good deal of his brain matter, too. That would account for the obvious reduction in intellect that is evident in Paul's ideas, and the serious deficiencies in his performance in the Congress.

This bears some scrutiny.

KI4HAS

11-03-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,16:16)]Perot was an intellectual midget.
He is the reason they don't invite third party candidates to debates now days. He held his own in the debates. The bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates (Republicans, and Democrats) don't want the competition.

KG4JYD

11-03-2007, 06:25 PM

Quote[/b] (KI4HAS @ Nov. 03 2007,09:35)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,16:16)]Perot was an intellectual midget.
He is the reason they don't invite third party candidates to debates now days. He held his own in the debates. The bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates (Republicans, and Democrats) don't want the competition.
Ron Paul is changing the dialog at the debates very similar to the way that Ross did over a decade ago.

AE6IP

11-03-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 03 2007,11:25)]Quote[/b] (KI4HAS @ Nov. 03 2007,09:35)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 01 2007,16:16)]Perot was an intellectual midget.
He is the reason they don't invite third party candidates to debates now days. He held his own in the debates. The bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates (Republicans, and Democrats) don't want the competition.
Ron Paul is changing the dialog at the debates very similar to the way that Ross did over a decade ago.
And is having as little impact on the final choice of the electorate and actual policy as Ross did.

Can you say when his bout of paranoia will set in, or isn't he prepared to go quite that far?

kc2orw

11-03-2007, 09:23 PM

Quote[/b] (W8EFA @ Nov. 01 2007,23:53)]Those polls are innacurate? Rassmussen, Zogby, etc? According to Lew Rockwell? Lew Rockwell is a known nutcase railing Against Abraham Lincoln and saying we shouldn't have entered WW2 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I am not buying into polls any longer either I fear they are all tainted or cherry picked. Proof I have none but we keep finding polls constantly being wrong over the last few years. That is the best proof I can offer as far as how tainted polls are they have become mere advertising/marketing tools.

KG4JYD

11-05-2007, 04:46 AM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 03 2007,13:30)]Can you say when his bout of paranoia will set in, or isn't he prepared to go quite that far?
Can you tell me when you quit beating your wife?

AE6IP

11-05-2007, 05:01 AM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 04 2007,21:46)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 03 2007,13:30)]Can you say when his bout of paranoia will set in, or isn't he prepared to go quite that far?
Can you tell me when you quit beating your wife?
Which pretty much sums up the 'clarity' of thought in the Ron Paul camp.

al2i

11-05-2007, 07:42 AM

In a few hours I will be sending $100 to Ron Paul as part of the Guy Fawkes Day money bomb. We are hoping to see approximately $1.5 million hit his campaign on a single day.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/RP/BuyMoneybombs.jpg

Watch the chart explode today with the efforts and commitment of the Americans who still want to be free.

Money Bomb to Hit Nov. 5 (http://ronpaulgraphs.com/)

al2i

11-05-2007, 09:27 AM

It is now Nov. 5 in Alaska. I do this for the kids who are working so hard but are a bit short of change right now.

http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/RP/Nov4Contribution.jpg

N3ATS

11-05-2007, 02:10 PM

Hey, I know that guy! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KG4JYD

11-05-2007, 04:07 PM

Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 04 2007,22:01)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 04 2007,21:46)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 03 2007,13:30)]Can you say when his bout of paranoia will set in, or isn't he prepared to go quite that far?
Can you tell me when you quit beating your wife?
Which pretty much sums up the 'clarity' of thought in the Ron Paul camp.
No, it was merely asking you an asinine loaded question just like you did. Don't like it when people pull the same BS that you do, eh?

AE6IP

11-05-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 05 2007,09:07)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 04 2007,22:01)]Quote[/b] (KG4JYD @ Nov. 04 2007,21:46)]Quote[/b] (AE6IP @ Nov. 03 2007,13:30)]Can you say when his bout of paranoia will set in, or isn't he prepared to go quite that far?
Can you tell me when you quit beating your wife?
Which pretty much sums up the 'clarity' of thought in the Ron Paul camp.
No, it was merely asking you an asinine loaded question just like you did. Don't like it when people pull the same BS that you do, eh?
Yes, it was asking an asinine loaded question.

which, as I responded, pretty much sums up the 'clarity' of thought in the Ron Paul camp.

Y'all picked up on the analogy between Paul and Perot. I just ran with it. Not my fault you picked a man who self destructed in a fit of paranoia as your model for your candidate.

If you don't like the riposte, stop leading with your chin.

al2i

11-05-2007, 09:07 PM

The Daily total is up to $2.3 million! This is why I get out of bed in the mornings. Or as Ron said, "it's morning in America." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

al2i

11-05-2007, 11:44 PM

Well, that hurt a little but I gave even more. I just wanted to add to the money bomb. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

Looks like we hit 2.8 million on a single day, nearly twice what we hoped! Sweet!

Guy Fawkes Money Bomb (http://ronpaulgraphs.com/)

N3ATS

11-06-2007, 12:22 AM

The one day record during the 2008 POTUS election campaigns is $3.1 million set by Romney.

Get ready to see that fall in a couple of hours. West coasters are still at work right now.

The all time record in one day was $5.4 million set by Kerry in 2004.

KC9IUX

11-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote[/b] ] That would account for the obvious reduction in intellect that is evident in Paul's ideas, and the serious deficiencies in his performance in the Congress.

You must hold the principles held in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in contempt, since he really has no new ideas, he just upholds his oath of office.

What deficiencies does he have in Congress?

Or is this a typical straw man attack?

N3ATS

11-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Deficiency is a great word to describe Ron Paul. He has been deficient in voting for legislation that is unconstitutional and of the typical boiler-plate agendas that our Statists have come to love.

Most of the electorate are like life prisoners. They have become so accustomed to the institution of huge, corrupt, and illegal government that they can cope in no other environment.

Almost there (Mitt Romney's record)

last updated: 11/05/07 07:36 PM EST

total raised today: $3,025,851
current values (online + offline)
total at start of day: $3,115,107

KC9IUX

11-06-2007, 01:00 AM

Those who set odds have Ron Paul right behind the so-called "top tier" candidates.

Odds (http://www.betusa.com/odds/next_us_president_754.html)

al2i

11-06-2007, 02:44 AM

Quote[/b] (KC9IUX @ Nov. 05 2007,17:00)]Those who set odds have Ron Paul right behind the so-called "top tier" candidates.

Odds (http://www.betusa.com/odds/next_us_president_754.html)
Wow! Down to 6-1. I seem to remember 30-1 just a bit ago.

This is interesting, as the most recent polls of likely voters in N.H. put Ron Paul at fourth place.

4th Place with a stretch to 3rd. (http://www.anselm.edu/NR/rdonlyres/B9C20574-57F4-47E9-8207-42252C4FA767/11912/saintanselmcollegepoll102507data.pdf)

KG4JYD

12-14-2007, 09:33 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Nov. 05 2007,19:44)]Quote[/b] (KC9IUX @ Nov. 05 2007,17:00)]Those who set odds have Ron Paul right behind the so-called "top tier" candidates.

Odds (http://www.betusa.com/odds/next_us_president_754.html)
Wow! Down to 6-1. I seem to remember 30-1 just a bit ago.

This is interesting, as the most recent polls of likely voters in N.H. put Ron Paul at fourth place.

4th Place with a stretch to 3rd. (http://www.anselm.edu/NR/rdonlyres/B9C20574-57F4-47E9-8207-42252C4FA767/11912/saintanselmcollegepoll102507data.pdf)
What is it at now?