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n2nh
10-29-2007, 05:04 AM
Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>It is perfectly &quot;mainstream&quot; American political discourse for Limbaugh to claim that Democrats are in bed with al-Qaeda or that Hillary Clinton murdered someone that she didn't. When Coulter calls for the assassination of former presidents or infers that, perhaps, John Edwards, married with children, is gay - she is booked on every corporate-owned program in the country. Bill O'Reilly can, one day, be on the phone forcing an intern to describe her favorite method of masturbation and the next day, condemn America for not having enough &quot;Christ in Christmas&quot; and no one points out the lunacy.

Yet, should someone from the &quot;Left&quot; call Limbaugh a liar or rightfully accuse him of fomenting a dangerous nationalistic and very Nazi-like political environment, and the corporate-owned media will immediately brand that person as being, &quot;a left-wing radical.&quot;</span>

Now why would that be? Ya gotta wonder why anybody else would be arrested.

The Foaming Mouth Hate of the Extremist Right (http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1642)

K0HWY
10-29-2007, 05:42 AM
Another slow day at the office?

n2nh
10-29-2007, 05:46 AM
Ah, another lame rebuttal from someone with nothing real to say. Write it in and ask for the talking points boys to come up with some spin and then end by saying 'at least I can think for myself.'

Here's a retrospective on a Rush attempt to rebuke those who have found gross inaccuracies on what he says in his show. Yep, over a decade ago, Rush was lying. He was lying then and he has not stopped preaching his lies to the choir...

Quote[/b] ]For three and a half months, the world waited for Rush Limbaugh's promised &quot;point-by-point rebuttal&quot; to FAIR's report, &quot;Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error&quot; (EXTRA!, 7-8/94). On Oct. 11, Limbaugh's &quot;rebuttal&quot; finally arrived-- not with a bang but a dud.

Limbaugh's 37-page manuscript addresses only about half of the points on which FAIR had documented his inaccuracy. On those points that he does contest, he tries to hide behind a blizzard of irrelevant quotations,evasive word-games and, in some instances, fresh distortions.

&quot;What I meant to say...&quot; (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1268) Rush caught in the web of his own lies.

K0HWY
10-29-2007, 06:42 AM
A lame post deserves a lame rebuttal.

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. It's utterly amazing to see people on both ends of the Limbaugh spectrum acting the way they do. His &quot;supporters&quot; practically worship him and believe every word that comes from his mouth. Those who oppose him are constantly roving, trying to discredit him and stamp out what few truths he does happen to weave into his agenda.

And in the end, it's Rush himself who has the last laugh, as he watches the fools wage a war of words in his name. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Now THAT is good material!

n2nh
10-29-2007, 07:00 AM
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Oct. 29 2007,02:42)]A lame post deserves a lame rebuttal.

Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. It's utterly amazing to see people on both ends of the Limbaugh spectrum acting the way they do. His &quot;supporters&quot; practically worship him and believe every word that comes from his mouth. Those who oppose him are constantly roving, trying to discredit him and stamp out what few truths he does happen to weave into his agenda. An 'entertainer' whose talking points have made the rounds here at the ZED nearly everyday. Yah, I suppose some people are easily amused. Joe Isuzu I can see. Rush Limbobo no.

And in the end, it's Rush himself who has the last laugh, as he watches the fools wage a war of words in his name. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Now THAT is good material!
Ah, yes, I thought that part of the 'phony soldiers' was lame too. You're right a post about a lame (fat, drug riddled, hypocritical, lying) entertainer. Thanks for your lame defense of Tokyo Rush. I hope he keeps the rabble south of the Mason-Dixon line thinking that there is no global warming. No more water, cities with empty taps, but with a last gasp, &quot;There's No Global Warming.&quot;

And while we're at it, Manny Coulter and her calls for someone to assasinate Clinton. Wow, nice people.

Nice and extremist.

n2nh
10-29-2007, 07:27 AM
So easy even a Caveman can figure it out. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=YPhAiEkO7NE)

N5NPO
10-29-2007, 11:28 AM
You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.

K3XR
10-29-2007, 12:16 PM
The LEFT has a problem with the truth.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010795

wz9o
10-29-2007, 12:33 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Oct. 29 2007,05:16)]The LEFT has a problem with the truth.
Yes. It scares the hell out of them!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

K3XR
10-29-2007, 12:35 PM
Follow the money.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&amp;id=23079 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=23079)

k4kyv
10-29-2007, 01:20 PM
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Oct. 29 2007,06:42)]Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. It's utterly amazing to see people on both ends of the Limbaugh spectrum acting the way they do. His &quot;supporters&quot; practically worship him and believe every word that comes from his mouth. Those who oppose him are constantly roving, trying to discredit him and stamp out what few truths he does happen to weave into his agenda.
&quot;Instigator&quot; would be a better word than &quot;entertainer&quot;. He tries to get his listeners and critics riled up, and if he thinks exaggeration of the facts with a few lies thrown in will do the trick, he will use them.

Reminds me of female troublemakers in high school who don't pick fights with other kids directly, but spread rumours and lies about other kids hoping to get them into a squabble, or to break up with their boyfriend, etc... And instigators on 75m SSB who get their jollies trying to get QRM wars going.

Quote[/b] ]And in the end, it's Rush himself who has the last laugh, as he watches the fools wage a war of words in his name.
And he has his last laugh on his way to bank - and on his way to see the good doctor for another prescription.

K2WH
10-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,18:04)]Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>It is perfectly &quot;mainstream&quot; American political discourse for Limbaugh to claim that Democrats are in bed with al-Qaeda or that Hillary Clinton murdered someone that she didn't. When Coulter calls for the assassination of former presidents or infers that, perhaps, John Edwards, married with children, is gay - she is booked on every corporate-owned program in the country. Bill O'Reilly can, one day, be on the phone forcing an intern to describe her favorite method of masturbation and the next day, condemn America for not having enough &quot;Christ in Christmas&quot; and no one points out the lunacy.

Yet, should someone from the &quot;Left&quot; call Limbaugh a liar or rightfully accuse him of fomenting a dangerous nationalistic and very Nazi-like political environment, and the corporate-owned media will immediately brand that person as being, &quot;a left-wing radical.&quot;</span>

Now why would that be? #Ya gotta wonder why anybody else would be arrested.

The Foaming Mouth Hate of the Extremist Right (http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1642)
John,

Get a job or if you have a radio, get on the air your wasting your time and this phobia of the right will eventually shorten your life with heart disease. Did you do any contest work this weekend?

K2WH

K4GUN
10-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,22:46)]Ah, another lame rebuttal from someone with nothing real to say. #Write it in and ask for the talking points boys to come up with some spin and then end by saying 'at least I can think for myself.'

Here's a retrospective on a Rush attempt to rebuke those who have found gross inaccuracies on what he says in his show. #Yep, over a decade ago, Rush was lying. #He was lying then and he has not stopped preaching his lies to the choir...

Quote[/b] ]For three and a half months, the world waited for Rush Limbaugh's promised &quot;point-by-point rebuttal&quot; to FAIR's report, &quot;Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error&quot; (EXTRA!, 7-8/94). On Oct. 11, Limbaugh's &quot;rebuttal&quot; finally arrived-- not with a bang but a dud.

Limbaugh's 37-page manuscript addresses only about half of the points on which FAIR had documented his inaccuracy. On those points that he does contest, he tries to hide behind a blizzard of irrelevant quotations,evasive word-games and, in some instances, fresh distortions.

&quot;What I meant to say...&quot; (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1268) Rush caught in the web of his own lies.
Does anybody else see the irony of this? &quot;Neocons can't think for themselves. They take their talking points from Rush. See, its posted right here in this liberal site that pretends to be actual news!&quot;

K4GUN
10-29-2007, 02:04 PM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,22:04)]Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>It is perfectly &quot;mainstream&quot; American political discourse for Limbaugh to claim that Democrats are in bed with al-Qaeda or that Hillary Clinton murdered someone that she didn't. When Coulter calls for the assassination of former presidents or infers that, perhaps, John Edwards, married with children, is gay - she is booked on every corporate-owned program in the country. Bill O'Reilly can, one day, be on the phone forcing an intern to describe her favorite method of masturbation and the next day, condemn America for not having enough &quot;Christ in Christmas&quot; and no one points out the lunacy.

Yet, should someone from the &quot;Left&quot; call Limbaugh a liar or rightfully accuse him of fomenting a dangerous nationalistic and very Nazi-like political environment, and the corporate-owned media will immediately brand that person as being, &quot;a left-wing radical.&quot;</span>

Now why would that be? #Ya gotta wonder why anybody else would be arrested.

The Foaming Mouth Hate of the Extremist Right (http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1642)
What law is being broken here? Don't tell me you're already posting other lies? They are really piling up and you're not even making an effort to cover it up.

nx6d
10-29-2007, 02:05 PM
edited.

The party responded to was not worth the effort.

nx6d
10-29-2007, 02:06 PM
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Oct. 29 2007,05:35)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,18:04)]Quote[/b] ]<span style='color:red'>It is perfectly &quot;mainstream&quot; American political discourse for Limbaugh to claim that Democrats are in bed with al-Qaeda or that Hillary Clinton murdered someone that she didn't. When Coulter calls for the assassination of former presidents or infers that, perhaps, John Edwards, married with children, is gay - she is booked on every corporate-owned program in the country. Bill O'Reilly can, one day, be on the phone forcing an intern to describe her favorite method of masturbation and the next day, condemn America for not having enough &quot;Christ in Christmas&quot; and no one points out the lunacy.

Yet, should someone from the &quot;Left&quot; call Limbaugh a liar or rightfully accuse him of fomenting a dangerous nationalistic and very Nazi-like political environment, and the corporate-owned media will immediately brand that person as being, &quot;a left-wing radical.&quot;</span>

Now why would that be? #Ya gotta wonder why anybody else would be arrested.

The Foaming Mouth Hate of the Extremist Right (http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1642)
John,

Get a job or if you have a radio, get on the air your wasting your time and this phobia of the right will eventually shorten your life with heart disease. #Did you do any contest work this weekend?

K2WH
Remember your own words the next time you start one of your rants about Hillary Clinton or Harry Reid, Bill.

Pot, kettle, black...

N1LAF
10-29-2007, 07:04 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 29 2007,04:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Actually, worse.

Because, in correctly identifying such speech, then turn around and do the same. Also known as hypocrisy.

N1LAF
10-29-2007, 07:16 PM
Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken

N9XR
10-29-2007, 07:19 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 28 2007,23:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Yeah. I listened to Rush today playing a parody of &quot;The Ring of Fire&quot; poking fun of the earth burning up. He was giving those in California something to smile about for a change.

He is so thoughtful. He thinks of those with woes and jabs a knife right in there.

N9XR
10-29-2007, 07:39 PM
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,07:16)]Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken
Quote[/b] ]Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Coulter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml)

I remember when one on here attacked another's XYL perishing as a result of the 9-11 attacks.

Either you like this form of attack or you don't.

I personally do not. But you may promote it as a good form if you like to just attack those who grieve or those who you just want dead.

Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.

N5NPO
10-29-2007, 07:44 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 28 2007,23:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Yeah. #I listened to Rush today playing a parody of &quot;The Ring of Fire&quot; poking fun of the earth burning up. #He was giving those in California something to smile about for a change.

He is so thoughtful. #He thinks of those with woes and jabs a knife right in there.
The parody is about Al Gore and his preaching the global warming doom scenario. It has nothing to do with the fires in California or anywhere else. The parady was performed LONG before the fires were in the news.
I guess the origional version performed by Johnny Cash is insensative to Califonians as well huh?

K2WH
10-29-2007, 07:49 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 29 2007,08:44)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 28 2007,23:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Yeah. #I listened to Rush today playing a parody of &quot;The Ring of Fire&quot; poking fun of the earth burning up. #He was giving those in California something to smile about for a change.

He is so thoughtful. #He thinks of those with woes and jabs a knife right in there.
The parody is about Al Gore and his preaching the global warming doom scenario. It has nothing to do with the fires in California or anywhere else. #The parady was performed LONG before the fires were in the news.
I guess the origional version performed by Johnny Cash is insensative to Califonians as well huh?
XR knew that. He just wants to light a fire.

K2WH (Neocon)

N9XR
10-29-2007, 07:51 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 29 2007,07:44)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 28 2007,23:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Yeah. I listened to Rush today playing a parody of &quot;The Ring of Fire&quot; poking fun of the earth burning up. He was giving those in California something to smile about for a change.

He is so thoughtful. He thinks of those with woes and jabs a knife right in there.
The parody is about Al Gore and his preaching the global warming doom scenario. It has nothing to do with the fires in California or anywhere else. The parady was performed LONG before the fires were in the news.
I guess the origional version performed by Johnny Cash is insensative to Califonians as well huh?
Where are the fires located that the song parodies?

I did not say it was not a parody of Al Gore. It is the timing of the song that I felt was inappropriate. Like before 9-11, we had movies about hijackings, and now after 9-11, it is too soon to have movies about hijackings. When is the time limit to make fun of the earth burning up after a firestorm like the one in California? 2 hours?

NL7W
10-29-2007, 07:56 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,11:39)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,07:16)]Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken
Quote[/b] ]Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Coulter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml)

I remember when one on here attacked another's XYL perishing as a result of the 9-11 attacks.

Either you like this form of attack or you don't.

I personally do not. But you may promote it as a good form if you like to just attack those who grieve or those who you just want dead.

Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.
The Left gives new meaning to the word, &quot;sanctimonious.&quot;

As they should, the liberals mantra is to give &quot;new and whacked out meaning&quot; to most traditionally American values and concepts -- their own flawed, worldly, corrupt, big-government viewpoint.

Move on?

N9XR
10-29-2007, 07:59 PM
Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Oct. 29 2007,07:56)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,11:39)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,07:16)]Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken
Quote[/b] ]Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Coulter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml)

I remember when one on here attacked another's XYL perishing as a result of the 9-11 attacks.

Either you like this form of attack or you don't.

I personally do not. But you may promote it as a good form if you like to just attack those who grieve or those who you just want dead.

Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.
The Left gives new meaning to the word, &quot;sanctimonious.&quot;

As they should, the liberals mantra is to give &quot;new and whacked out meaning&quot; to most traditionally American values and concepts -- their own flawed, worldly, corrupt, big-government viewpoint.

Move on?
Your stupidity is not my problem.

N1LAF
10-29-2007, 08:00 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:39)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,07:16)]Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken
Quote[/b] ]Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Coulter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml)

I remember when one on here attacked another's XYL perishing as a result of the 9-11 attacks.

Either you like this form of attack or you don't.

I personally do not. But you may promote it as a good form if you like to just attack those who grieve or those who you just want dead.

Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.
Ofcourse, USA Today and PBS do not have anything in their archives, but these quotes were widely published and discussed. Try this link (It has a bias) for starters:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/notable....rd6.asp (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp)

Also, yeah, Coulter has a hard edge. She was criticizing a few woman who were capitalizing on the spouses deaths for a political cause, which you know in politics, political causes are fair game. Sheehan was criticized for her politics, not son's death. I do see a difference. I do not like it(exploiting on the death of another), didn't think Coulter didn't like it either, and vocalized that point. Also, do not like the group that protests military funerals either.

N5NPO
10-29-2007, 08:26 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:51)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 29 2007,07:44)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 28 2007,23:28)]You are certaiinly one to talk about hate filled rants. You are as bad as those you accuse. I actually listen to Rush. Do you, or do you just take lead from others who probably don't listen either? Keep it up, you may get a position in the Clinton administration when it takes power.
Yeah. #I listened to Rush today playing a parody of &quot;The Ring of Fire&quot; poking fun of the earth burning up. #He was giving those in California something to smile about for a change.

He is so thoughtful. #He thinks of those with woes and jabs a knife right in there.
The parody is about Al Gore and his preaching the global warming doom scenario. It has nothing to do with the fires in California or anywhere else. #The parady was performed LONG before the fires were in the news.
I guess the origional version performed by Johnny Cash is insensative to Califonians as well huh?
Where are the fires located that the song parodies?

I did not say it was not a parody of Al Gore. #It is the timing of the song that I felt was inappropriate. #Like before 9-11, we had movies about hijackings, and now after 9-11, it is too soon to have movies about hijackings. #When is the time limit to make fun of the earth burning up after a firestorm like the one in California? #2 hours?
Again, the song is a Global Warming update theme that parodies AL GORE. It has NOTHING to do with Califonia or wildfires that are there.
If you want to try and make the case that Rush thinks it is funny that people are losing homes in California, then go right ahead. The people who have listened to Rush for very long know better.
You just hate Rush and his politics and want everyone else to as well....
Nice try.

N9XR
10-29-2007, 09:02 PM
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,08:00)]Ofcourse, USA Today and PBS do not have anything in their archives, but these quotes were widely published and discussed. Try this link (It has a bias) for starters:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/notable....rd6.asp (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp)

Also, yeah, Coulter has a hard edge. She was criticizing a few woman who were capitalizing on the spouses deaths for a political cause, which you know in politics, political causes are fair game. Sheehan was criticized for her politics, not son's death. I do see a difference. I do not like it(exploiting on the death of another), didn't think Coulter didn't like it either, and vocalized that point. Also, do not like the group that protests military funerals either.
I believe your reference for the purposes of proving the point that these people said these things.

Do I like it? No. You can disagree with me all you like. You can continue to banter about stating that there are precedents for reaching new lows.

What is wrong with going in a positive direction?

The problem with this whole scenario is I had never even heard of Julianne Malveaux until you bring her up here. I would never have been able to quote one single phrase from Nina Totenberg. But the ones we talk about here on the right are ones who have you lapping at every drop of drool that drips out of their mouths.

That is the scary part.

NL7W
10-29-2007, 09:33 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,11:59)]Quote[/b] (NL7W @ Oct. 29 2007,07:56)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,11:39)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,07:16)]Consider the following:

Nina Totenberg: &quot;[I]f there is retributive justice [Sen. Jesse Helms] will get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.&quot; (As if Jesse Helms is one of those spreading AIDS!)

USA Today's Julianne Malveaux, whose leftist sympathies makes Karl Marx look like a right-wing kook, spat out this crudity about Justice Clarence Thomas, a fellow black: &quot;I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.&quot;

Eleanor Clift's remarks about the impeachment of her adored William Jefferson Clinton: &quot;That herd of managers from the House, I mean, frankly, all they were missing was white sheets.&quot;

Mario Cuomo called the 1994 free election that gave the GOP control of Congress a Nazi-like event led by &quot;Republican storm troopers.&quot;

Alec Baldwin advocated the mass murder of Republican lawmakers' families

... and haven't even got to Michael Moore and Al Franken
Quote[/b] ]Coulter appeared Tuesday on NBC's “Today” show, and stuck by her stance, saying the women used their grief “to make a political point.”

Coulter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/07/entertainment/main1690954.shtml)

I remember when one on here attacked another's XYL perishing as a result of the 9-11 attacks.

Either you like this form of attack or you don't.

I personally do not. But you may promote it as a good form if you like to just attack those who grieve or those who you just want dead.

Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.
The Left gives new meaning to the word, &quot;sanctimonious.&quot;

As they should, the liberals mantra is to give &quot;new and whacked out meaning&quot; to most traditionally American values and concepts -- their own flawed, worldly, corrupt, big-government viewpoint.

Move on?
Your stupidity is not my problem.
I noticed your evil-looking, Halloween-like &quot;smiley&quot; avatar has been up long before these few nights closing in on the eve of All Hallows' Day.

You are inextricably linked to this evil amongst us! Or, is it the embodiment of your hatred? I say both.


Toodleoo.

N1LAF
10-29-2007, 09:44 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,14:02)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,08:00)]Ofcourse, USA Today and PBS do not have anything in their archives, but these quotes were widely published and discussed. Try this link (It has a bias) for starters:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/notable....rd6.asp (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp)

Also, yeah, Coulter has a hard edge. She was criticizing a few woman who were capitalizing on the spouses deaths for a political cause, which you know in politics, political causes are fair game. Sheehan was criticized for her politics, not son's death. I do see a difference. I do not like it(exploiting on the death of another), didn't think Coulter didn't like it either, and vocalized that point. Also, do not like the group that protests military funerals either.
I believe your reference for the purposes of proving the point that these people said these things.

Do I like it? No. You can disagree with me all you like. You can continue to banter about stating that there are precedents for reaching new lows.

What is wrong with going in a positive direction?

The problem with this whole scenario is I had never even heard of Julianne Malveaux until you bring her up here. I would never have been able to quote one single phrase from Nina Totenberg. But the ones we talk about here on the right are ones who have you lapping at every drop of drool that drips out of their mouths.

That is the scary part.
The purpose of the references was because it looked like you requested them, from the following...
Quote[/b] ]Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.

Also it's not one sided. Both sides are guilty, neither are better than the other. Now, if we had some grown-ups in congress...

Quote[/b] ]What is wrong with going in a positive direction? Well, you may have to take the first step. We certainly will not find that with our Senators and Congressmen. Also here. Just an observation, when you post here, it comes across as negative and angry. And when you come swinging at the same time, you have to expect others to swing back.

Quote[/b] ]You can disagree with me all you like.I think you will find there are a lot of things we do agree on. When you post, ask yourself, are you trying to be informative or reactionary, helpful or instigating. Keep these things in mind before you hit the post button.

Just some things to think about.

N9XR
10-29-2007, 10:03 PM
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,09:44)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 29 2007,14:02)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 29 2007,08:00)]Ofcourse, USA Today and PBS do not have anything in their archives, but these quotes were widely published and discussed. Try this link (It has a bias) for starters:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/notable....rd6.asp (http://www.mediaresearch.org/notablequotables/dishonor1999/welcomeaward6.asp)

Also, yeah, Coulter has a hard edge. She was criticizing a few woman who were capitalizing on the spouses deaths for a political cause, which you know in politics, political causes are fair game. Sheehan was criticized for her politics, not son's death. I do see a difference. I do not like it(exploiting on the death of another), didn't think Coulter didn't like it either, and vocalized that point. Also, do not like the group that protests military funerals either.
I believe your reference for the purposes of proving the point that these people said these things.

Do I like it? No. You can disagree with me all you like. You can continue to banter about stating that there are precedents for reaching new lows.

What is wrong with going in a positive direction?

The problem with this whole scenario is I had never even heard of Julianne Malveaux until you bring her up here. I would never have been able to quote one single phrase from Nina Totenberg. But the ones we talk about here on the right are ones who have you lapping at every drop of drool that drips out of their mouths.

That is the scary part.
The purpose of the references was because it looked like you requested them, from the following...
Quote[/b] ]Do you have links to NPR and USA today for these quotes you mention here? I had never heard them before.

Also it's not one sided. Both sides are guilty, neither are better than the other. Now, if we had some grown-ups in congress...

Quote[/b] ]What is wrong with going in a positive direction? Well, you may have to take the first step. We certainly will not find that with our Senators and Congressmen. Also here. Just an observation, when you post here, it comes across as negative and angry. And when you come swinging at the same time, you have to expect others to swing back.

Quote[/b] ]You can disagree with me all you like.I think you will find there are a lot of things we do agree on. When you post, ask yourself, are you trying to be informative or reactionary, helpful or instigating. Keep these things in mind before you hit the post button.

Just some things to think about.
No way. Both sides are not guilty. My side is as clean as the driven snow. I do not promote these words. I will not back those who make these statements. I have not been backing these people who make these statements. I am on the other side. You choose to be on the side you wish to be on.

Think about what you read of my posting before you hit the button. What law did I break for asking for a link? People do it all the time. I am sorry I asked. This was truly all new to me. I want to find out more of the truth and you lead me to that. If I should show shame in trying to find the truth, call me shameful.

But at the same time, I am not making excuses for what these people you quoted. That is for someone else to do.

So I feel negative and angry all the time? I have many friends here on the Zed I would like to see happier. I see many people trying to twist their minds into pretzels with the twisted logic they get fed everyday, and no. I am not a happy camper.

7W, KIX, ORW, MIV, MW, Zed Aitch, GUN, 3XR, and even you Paul. I would think we would all have a great time in a get together, after I get a few black eyes, but it would be fun. I care about you guys and the many others unmentioned here.

So if you want to be on the side of death wishing, go there. Defend those who spew this drivel.

Otherwise leave the dark side and make a mark for yourself.

n2nh
10-29-2007, 10:03 PM
Quote[/b] (nx6d @ Oct. 29 2007,10:05)]edited.

The party responded to was not worth the effort.
Ah, I see I'm not the only one who noticed.
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K0RGR
10-29-2007, 11:34 PM
What America needs is a HEALTHY political debate, not the cancerous stuff we've had for a couple decades now.

Ages ago, Lush was a part of a healthy debate. He at least pretended to be a &quot;responsible&quot; conservative spokesman, though he often made obvious exaggerations, distortions and lies, but I'm sure a very large part of his audience never figured that out.

I listened to him almost daily, until I eventually figured out many of the propaganda techniques he was using. He also dropped the &quot;responsible conservative&quot; ruse, and became an openly pro-Republican shill.

He does, in fact, subscribe to the &quot;Big Lie&quot; theory propounded by Josef Goebbels and the Nazis - if you tell a big lie long enough and loud enough, people will begin to believe it. And, Lush has told many of the same big lies over and over and over again for many years now.

His favorite device is the &quot;straw man&quot;. He will find some outrageous example of behavior by a member of group he wants to attack. Then, he will expound on it, and repeatedly emphasize that this person is a member of the hated group - usually liberals or Democrats. Then, he will generalize what this one fruitcake did to imply that all members of the group do it too. Bill O'Reilly is a master of this technique that was used to great effect by the early Soviet propagandists.

He used to start of with reasonable and defensible statements that most people would agree with. Then, over the course of 3 hours or several days, he would hedge closer and closer to the &quot;lunatic fringe&quot; position. Now, he starts at &quot;lunatic fringe&quot; and goes to the right from there.

We need another Walter Cronkhite, somebody America trusts. The problem is, Lush and his dittoheads have destroyed America's faith in everybody and every institution.

KB1KIX
10-29-2007, 11:42 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Oct. 29 2007,19:34)]He does, in fact, subscribe to the &quot;Big Lie&quot; theory propounded by Josef Goebbels and the Nazis - if you tell a big lie long enough and loud enough, people will begin to believe it.
And you don't see any of this in the liberal media like CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN, right?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Scare America.... don't see it their either?

How about the liberal blogs?

Seems you like to point out one persons ideology, but completely (or is it selectively) blank out the other side of the aisle!

Jonathan

MGthemidget
10-30-2007, 02:41 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,22:46)]Ah, another lame rebuttal from someone with nothing real to say. #Write it in and ask for the talking points boys to come up with some spin and then end by saying 'at least I can think for myself.'

Here's a retrospective on a Rush attempt to rebuke those who have found gross inaccuracies on what he says in his show. #Yep, over a decade ago, Rush was lying. #He was lying then and he has not stopped preaching his lies to the choir...

Quote[/b] ]For three and a half months, the world waited for Rush Limbaugh's promised &quot;point-by-point rebuttal&quot; to FAIR's report, &quot;Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error&quot; (EXTRA!, 7-8/94). On Oct. 11, Limbaugh's &quot;rebuttal&quot; finally arrived-- not with a bang but a dud.

Limbaugh's 37-page manuscript addresses only about half of the points on which FAIR had documented his inaccuracy. On those points that he does contest, he tries to hide behind a blizzard of irrelevant quotations,evasive word-games and, in some instances, fresh distortions.

&quot;What I meant to say...&quot; (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1268) Rush caught in the web of his own lies.
Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)

N1LAF
10-30-2007, 03:02 AM
Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,19:41)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,22:46)]Ah, another lame rebuttal from someone with nothing real to say. Write it in and ask for the talking points boys to come up with some spin and then end by saying 'at least I can think for myself.'

Here's a retrospective on a Rush attempt to rebuke those who have found gross inaccuracies on what he says in his show. Yep, over a decade ago, Rush was lying. He was lying then and he has not stopped preaching his lies to the choir...

Quote[/b] ]For three and a half months, the world waited for Rush Limbaugh's promised &quot;point-by-point rebuttal&quot; to FAIR's report, &quot;Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error&quot; (EXTRA!, 7-8/94). On Oct. 11, Limbaugh's &quot;rebuttal&quot; finally arrived-- not with a bang but a dud.

Limbaugh's 37-page manuscript addresses only about half of the points on which FAIR had documented his inaccuracy. On those points that he does contest, he tries to hide behind a blizzard of irrelevant quotations,evasive word-games and, in some instances, fresh distortions.

&quot;What I meant to say...&quot; (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1268) Rush caught in the web of his own lies.
Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
midget,

You don't know the circumstances or the reasons, and John (n2nh) do not owe you an explanation. I STRONGLY encourage you to BACK OFF on this. This is a personal matter that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!!! You want to go after John on politics, fine, but not on this personal matter.

KB1KIX
10-30-2007, 03:47 AM
Screw that - he brings it on himself.

Called me a racist recently, yet I have 2 biracial children.

sympathy vote from me?

Nope, that card got punched watching him dig in on everyone in any conceivable way he can to cause a reaction.

If I was married to him, I would have jumped.

Jonathan

n2nh
10-30-2007, 04:19 AM
Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 28 2007,22:46)]Ah, another lame rebuttal from someone with nothing real to say. Write it in and ask for the talking points boys to come up with some spin and then end by saying 'at least I can think for myself.'

Here's a retrospective on a Rush attempt to rebuke those who have found gross inaccuracies on what he says in his show. Yep, over a decade ago, Rush was lying. He was lying then and he has not stopped preaching his lies to the choir...

Quote[/b] ]For three and a half months, the world waited for Rush Limbaugh's promised &quot;point-by-point rebuttal&quot; to FAIR's report, &quot;Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error&quot; (EXTRA!, 7-8/94). On Oct. 11, Limbaugh's &quot;rebuttal&quot; finally arrived-- not with a bang but a dud.

Limbaugh's 37-page manuscript addresses only about half of the points on which FAIR had documented his inaccuracy. On those points that he does contest, he tries to hide behind a blizzard of irrelevant quotations,evasive word-games and, in some instances, fresh distortions.

&quot;What I meant to say...&quot; (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1268) Rush caught in the web of his own lies.
Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
As I have mentioned here before. My wife died as a result of the attacks on 9/11/2001. No she's not on the list. She didn't die in the towers. She died 5 months later from an infection she got from the fallout from the fires at the towers. I was treating her open leg wounds while supervised by a doctor. One night, while we slept, the smoke from Ground Zero came into our open windows. It was so thick we were choking. Despite her wounds being covered, the smoke entered her dressings and infected her. Her infection got worse despite anti-biotics and continuing wound care.

Not everybody who died because of 9/11 died on 9/11. And putting her on that list will not bring her back.

Oh, and BTW, my present wife is African-American. She agrees with my assessment of people who visit racist websites and is very happily married. And I've never been happier in my life since I've met her either. But you can not take care of someone day and night for over a decade and not feel pain at their loss.

Oh and Meestah Midget, unlike you, I'm not hiding and making very personal attacks. You could look up that name, because my name is here, unlike yours. Funny, if I said something like that about someones wife, I'd get banned now wouldn't I. Your mother must be proud. Pretty much what this whole thread is all about. Thanks for proving my point.

Thank you Paul. We've disagreed many times in the past, but my respect for you is immeasurable.

n2nh
10-30-2007, 04:48 AM
Oh and for those who are wondering, no I'm not reporting this. Why? Because despite the classless, cowardly attack, (which as we can see is being defended,) it is important that this be discussed. Why this attack? For the same reason the other thread became a NEOCON ground for personal attacks. To have it locked down. And, to try and goad me to defend my late wife and get me banned as has happened once before.

And that's exactly why I will not complain. Because that's how it's handled when it's not NEOCON PC here.

n7zsd
10-30-2007, 04:52 AM
Blah, Blah, Blah, Freakin' Blah!
Troll, Blah, Flame, Blah, and so on and so forth....

Moving on now...(bad choice of words). How 'bout moving forward?

n2nh
10-30-2007, 04:55 AM
Quote[/b] (n7zsd @ Oct. 30 2007,00:52)]Blah, Blah, Blah, Freakin' Blah!
Troll, Blah, Flame, Blah, and so on and so forth....

Moving on now...(bad choice of words). How 'bout moving forward?
You are right. BUT... There's a slight problem. We have the foregoing. It will move forward too. It is holding back America, free thought and freedom of speech. And it will as long as the people who support this agenda are in any position to personally denigrate any American they don't like.

So what's next? There can be no civilized discourse with barbarians around and those who defend them.
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ad4mg
10-30-2007, 09:49 AM
Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.

n9yb
10-30-2007, 10:33 AM
Quote[/b] ]The problem with this whole scenario is I had never even heard of Julianne Malveaux until you bring her up here. I would never have been able to quote one single phrase from Nina Totenberg.


That is because NPR is not commercially viable. It requires Federal subsidies to exist.

G8ADD
10-30-2007, 11:20 AM
Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD

N9XR
10-30-2007, 11:46 AM
Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 29 2007,23:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
We have soldiers like the ones who put in the NYT op ed column a few months ago where the soldiers spoke out against the war. They did not attack anybody, but rather told it like it is over there, and stated that there is no winnable scenario.

Rather than debate the issues, we have a talk show host who refers to soldiers who speak out to the media as &quot;phony soldiers&quot;.

We have a large contingency of talk show fans who love this ability for people who have use of the public airwaves to bash our people in uniform. They make excuses for them and say that they have drug problems or they have had unsuccessful sex changes.

But it is difficult to keep this hate speech down due to the massive support it maintains in this country.

Truly, God has forsaken us.

K3XR
10-30-2007, 12:17 PM
The DEMS work ethic.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&amp;id=23118 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=23118)

N9XR
10-30-2007, 12:28 PM
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 29 2007,15:47)]Screw that - he brings it on himself.

Called me a racist recently, yet I have 2 biracial children.

sympathy vote from me?

Nope...
Jonathan,

I think I speak on behalf of all of us. If you want sympathy for having a couple of kids, by golly, you've got it. They can be difficult, but they can be rewarding.

I hope things improve there.

G8ADD
10-30-2007, 12:44 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 30 2007,04:46)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 29 2007,23:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
We have soldiers like the ones who put in the NYT op ed column a few months ago where the soldiers spoke out against the war. They did not attack anybody, but rather told it like it is over there, and stated that there is no winnable scenario.

Rather than debate the issues, we have a talk show host who refers to soldiers who speak out to the media as &quot;phony soldiers&quot;.

We have a large contingency of talk show fans who love this ability for people who have use of the public airwaves to bash our people in uniform. They make excuses for them and say that they have drug problems or they have had unsuccessful sex changes.

But it is difficult to keep this hate speech down due to the massive support it maintains in this country.

Truly, God has forsaken us.
Over here he would be the poorer by a six-figure settlement for defamation!

73

Brian G8ADD

N9XR
10-30-2007, 01:00 PM
Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 30 2007,00:44)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 30 2007,04:46)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 29 2007,23:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
We have soldiers like the ones who put in the NYT op ed column a few months ago where the soldiers spoke out against the war. They did not attack anybody, but rather told it like it is over there, and stated that there is no winnable scenario.

Rather than debate the issues, we have a talk show host who refers to soldiers who speak out to the media as &quot;phony soldiers&quot;.

We have a large contingency of talk show fans who love this ability for people who have use of the public airwaves to bash our people in uniform. They make excuses for them and say that they have drug problems or they have had unsuccessful sex changes.

But it is difficult to keep this hate speech down due to the massive support it maintains in this country.

Truly, God has forsaken us.
Over here he would be the poorer by a six-figure settlement for defamation!

73

Brian G8ADD
This guy can lose six figure settlements every day and still come out ahead. People love his hate speech. They fight and have others die to protect it.

N5NPO
10-30-2007, 01:20 PM
Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 30 2007,04:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
I appreciate your want to help....
We have a 1st amendment here in the good ol' USA that grants us the right to free speach, be it &quot;hate&quot; as classifed by some on the left or not.... At least for now we do...

G8ADD
10-30-2007, 02:06 PM
Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 30 2007,06:20)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 30 2007,04:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
I appreciate your want to help....
We have a 1st amendment here in the good ol' USA that grants us the right to free speach, be it &quot;hate&quot; as classifed by some on the left or not.... At least for now we do...
You have other rights, too, such as the right to bear arms, but that right is hedged about with restrictions on how, when and what arms you can bear. Rights have to be balanced with responsibilities, and the sort of hate speech I have been reading about on this thread sounds profoundly irresponsible to me. If I were to say some of these things in public here, I could end up charged with &quot;behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace&quot;, and there is no right to bear arms here, how much more likely is a breach of the peace where arms are commonplace?

Note that I am not supporting either side, here, just commenting on the general situation.

73

Brian G8ADD

N9XR
10-30-2007, 02:27 PM
Many here do not even know how to spell responsibilities. They know they can get some other poor schmo to pay their way through life and promote the deaths of others from their own country. Every day we see and hear the hatred grow towards others and the increased defense and support for those who make threats on lives. They want to call this threatening talk, &quot;free speech&quot;.

Where can you even detect the least amount of responsibility?

ad4mg
10-30-2007, 04:21 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
BUMP.

N9XR
10-30-2007, 04:33 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,04:21)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
BUMP.
Cowardice is as cowardice does.

With My Groin the Midget posting on here, I think we see why he shows so much cowardice.

N5NPO
10-30-2007, 04:57 PM
Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 30 2007,07:06)]Quote[/b] (N5NPO @ Oct. 30 2007,06:20)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Oct. 30 2007,04:20)]Can I humbly suggest (as an outsider with no direct stake in this controversy) that tightening up your laws on slander and libel, making them apply in practise to politicians and media figures, and increasing the penalties would help clean up this mess.

73

Brian G8ADD
I appreciate your want to help....
We have a 1st amendment here in the good ol' USA that grants us the right to free speach, be it &quot;hate&quot; as classifed by some on the left or not.... At least for now we do...
You have other rights, too, such as the right to bear arms, but that right is hedged about with restrictions on how, when and what arms you can bear. Rights have to be balanced with responsibilities, and the sort of hate speech I have been reading about on this thread sounds profoundly irresponsible to me. If I were to say some of these things in public here, I could end up charged with &quot;behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace&quot;, and there is no right to bear arms here, how much more likely is a breach of the peace where arms are commonplace?

Note that I am not supporting either side, here, just commenting on the general situation.

73

Brian G8ADD
Thanks for your comments on your observations. I have wondered what others see from time to time. I try not to personally attack anyone in a petty or immature way. Likewise I try not to allow myself to become offended by others, especially on this forum...
Having said that, with rights come responsibilities. One has the right to free speach here in the states. That does not mean they have the right to be heard. Shouting &quot;fire&quot; in a crowded building would be irresponsible, to say the least. In the U.S. a soldier can speak out against any war policy. So can any citizen. Citizens and soldiers can also speak out against soldiers and citizens that do. It goes both ways. Aparently, there have been individuals here in this country that have pretended to be something they are not in order to gain credibility that they would otherwise not have. I do not know what any of this has to do with &quot;Neocons Daily Breaking the Law With Impunity&quot;, but freedom of speach allows one to try and make the connection...
Thanks again and your comments and opinions are welcome as far as I am concerned...

KB1KIX
10-30-2007, 05:20 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 30 2007,08:28)]Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 29 2007,15:47)]Screw that - he brings it on himself.

Called me a racist recently, yet I have 2 biracial children.

sympathy vote from me?

Nope...
Jonathan,

I think I speak on behalf of all of us. #If you want sympathy for having a couple of kids, by golly, you've got it. #They can be difficult, but they can be rewarding.

I hope things improve there.
Sympathy... absolutely not.

John likes throwing stones - the guy gets no sympathy from me, as he is the first to start with the namecalling.

However, his wifes family, I have nothing but compassion for, it's tough to lose someone.

Especially six months after the event when you think you might have gotten past anything that can harm you.

We have a few volunteers in my area that have the cough now - as far as I know, they're still trying to figure out the whole &quot;ground zero cough&quot; thing.

Tough indeed.

Jonathan

ad4mg
10-30-2007, 10:08 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
6:00 bump.

KB1KIX
10-31-2007, 02:49 AM
Why do you hate midgets?

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Jonathan

K3XR
10-31-2007, 02:54 AM
Neo-Commies take note.
http://newsbusters.org/node/16758/print

ad4mg
10-31-2007, 09:41 AM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Oct. 30 2007,22:54)]Neo-Commies take note.
http://newsbusters.org/node/16758/print
<span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%'>&quot;Media Elite's Campaign News More Biased than Talk Radio&quot;</span>

Uh, wrong thread again Dann-O. To effectively spew uber right-wing hatred, you must concentrate on hitting the correct thread.

Seething hatred, spewed randomly in all directions like you're doing, is inefficient. Focus your unbridled hatred for all things not NeoKon at a more narrow target selection.

And, while I'm here exchanging pleasantries ...

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.

The mental midget seems to be AWOL. Totally expected.

K3XR
10-31-2007, 11:25 AM
Clinton/Soros and Federal crimes.

http://www.americanthinker.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/10/post_67.html)

n2nh
10-31-2007, 12:43 PM
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 30 2007,13:20)]Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 30 2007,08:28)]Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 29 2007,15:47)]Screw that - he brings it on himself.

Called me a racist recently, yet I have 2 biracial children.

sympathy vote from me?

Nope...
Jonathan,

I think I speak on behalf of all of us. If you want sympathy for having a couple of kids, by golly, you've got it. They can be difficult, but they can be rewarding.

I hope things improve there.
Sympathy... absolutely not.

John likes throwing stones - the guy gets no sympathy from me, as he is the first to start with the namecalling.

However, his wifes family, I have nothing but compassion for, it's tough to lose someone.

Especially six months after the event when you think you might have gotten past anything that can harm you.

We have a few volunteers in my area that have the cough now - as far as I know, they're still trying to figure out the whole &quot;ground zero cough&quot; thing.

Tough indeed.

Jonathan
Have I asked for your sympathy Jonathon? I have, in fact, said that whatever rocks your boat is fine with me. The sun rose again today. You know what, you can want me fed to bears, roasted on an open spit, shot in the back and it will rise again tomorrow. Only a small mind would think that wishful thinking is going to matter to me. And it takes a smaller mind to have no conscience at all. If your kid died and someone made a nasty comment about it, how would you feel? AH, that would be different wouldn't it?

OTOH, when I have visited Daily Kos, I have in so many words been branded a Communist. Daily Kos is not a communist site, yet because Liberals are seen as communists, well, then I must be one for going to a Liberal site. In this case, you went to a site that was racist. Guess what sonny boy? Yep. It works that way too. The difference was that, unlike the Daily Kos which isn't communist, this site WAS racist. So by this NEOCON criteria, the same ones NEOCONs everywhere have no problem with, what does that make you? I'll give you a hint, it starts with a &quot;R&quot;.

Don't blame me for you getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Unless you're under 16 and/or not of sound mind. Then you can blame your keeper. Seems that if you're a neocon you can say and do as you wish with impunity and feel that you're not accountable. Then when somebody mentions it you want to blame them for your actions. I'm not accountable for what you do.

Stop sulking and grow up racist boy.
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

N9XR
10-31-2007, 03:19 PM
Sorry about Jonathon, John. I just could not believe he posts the reason for his lack of sympathy for you as his possession of biracial children.

ad4mg
10-31-2007, 10:13 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
Today's 6:00 bump.

ad4mg
11-01-2007, 08:52 AM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
Top of the morning bump.

K3XR
11-01-2007, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the memories, Mrs. Bill.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010809

kc2orw
11-01-2007, 03:34 PM
hello

In the province of hijab the princes all get together to have
_
____
I will have to prep my helicopter and get ready as they have decided to use me

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

N9XR
11-01-2007, 03:39 PM
. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

kc2orw
11-01-2007, 03:48 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Nov. 01 2007,11:39)]. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Well I suppose I could have just put it

Bump

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ad4mg
11-01-2007, 10:52 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
Casual, after dinner bump.

Where's the midget?

Is hiding behind a username no longer sufficient to bolster it's (dunno if it's a he or she, so it's an it) arrogance?

ad4mg
11-02-2007, 09:44 AM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
Sunrise bump.

K3XR
11-02-2007, 12:36 PM
Clinton Crime Family in it, up to their teeth.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12258

ad4mg
11-03-2007, 08:58 PM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
Saturday evening nudge. The midget is nowhere to be found.

ad4mg
11-04-2007, 10:23 AM
Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.
New &amp; Improved, EST bump.

Don't forget to &quot;fall back&quot;.

N1LAF
11-05-2007, 02:56 AM
ooopps - Bump!

N5NPO
11-05-2007, 02:32 PM
Nudge... The bumps in the night are becoming frightening....:(

K3XR
11-05-2007, 09:48 PM
Liar, Liar, pants suit on fire.

http://newsbusters.org/node/16894/print

ad4mg
11-05-2007, 10:53 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 05 2007,17:48)]Liar, Liar, pants suit on fire.

http://newsbusters.org/node/16894/print
Your obsession with all things Hillary is very disturbing. What will you do if she is elected?

Looks like the midget be-gone we sprayed is working.

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Oct. 30 2007,05:49)]Quote[/b] (MGthemidget @ Oct. 29 2007,22:41)]Speaking of lies..... John, we can't seem to find anyone on the 9/11 victims list that dons your last name, yet you claim to have a wife that died in the 9/11 terror attacks. Care to explain that one?

Here is a point of reference:

List (http://www.alfredny.biz/09-11-2001_Tribute/wtc.htm)
Nice that you know his name. We can only imagine a name for you ...

You've defined yourself nicely here. Earlier, you played the part of a bigot. Now, you go on the attack against a man's credibility concerning the death of his wife. He challenged your attack, refuted your cowardly allegation, and now you owe him an apology.

So, are you the racist, sniveling little coward you appear to be, or is the apology forthcoming?

I'll make a career out of bumping this thread to the top of the heap until one of the following occurs:

1. I get banned for the effort
2. The thread is deleted
3. You apologize
4. You get banned

Even though you can hide who you are, I will see to it that everyone here knows what you are.

Shameless bump.

K3XR
11-05-2007, 11:05 PM
&quot;Torture fraud&quot;
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/the_torture_fraud_of_the_left.html)

ad4mg
11-05-2007, 11:07 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 05 2007,19:05)]&quot;Torture fraud&quot;
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpa....rl=http (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/printpage/?url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/the_torture_fraud_of_the_left.html)
Robo-Con Blog. Facts for the feeble minded.

n2ize
11-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Waterboarding has been defined as torture for centuries. All of a sudden the neocons don;t know if it's torture. Gimme a break.

N1LAF
11-06-2007, 03:24 AM
Waterboarding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

Waterboarding is a form of controlled drowning consisting of immobilizing an individual on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face[1] to force the inhalation of water into the lungs.[2] Waterboarding has been used to obtain information, coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. In contrast to merely submerging the head, waterboarding elicits the gag reflex,[3] and can make the subject believe death is imminent. Waterboarding's use as a method of interrogation or torture is based on its ability to cause extreme mental distress while possibly creating no lasting physical damage to the subject. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last long after the procedure.[4] Although waterboarding in cases can leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the real risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries as a result of struggling against restraints (including broken bones), and even death.

Torture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture

Torture, according to international law, is &quot;any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.&quot;


If this is what waterboarding consists of (the definition above is correct), I believe this is a form of torture.

W4DFW
11-06-2007, 03:51 AM
What a strange world we live in.

It's apparently OK to blow the brains out of a terrorist who might try to hijack a plane, but pretend (with no intent!) to drown him to get info on other possible operations and WHOLY CRAP BATMAN, the looney left goes berserk!!

There is a very easy way to avoid torture. Don't f*ck with the US of A!! Pretty simple, actually.

I say if you get caught trying to hijack a plane with the intent to smash it into a big building and inflict as many casualties of innocent people as you can, you better expect some, er, stressful moments during your interrogation.

But of course, the loony left thinks WE made them do it.

That's the ticket!! We're responsible for the terrorists who want to kill us! How could I be so stupid?? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

N1LAF
11-06-2007, 08:59 PM
Quote[/b] (W4DFW @ Nov. 05 2007,20:51)]It's apparently OK to blow the brains out of a terrorist who might try to hijack a plane, but pretend (with no intent!) to drown him to get info on other possible operations and WHOLY CRAP BATMAN, the looney left goes berserk!!
No contradiction because blowing the brains out of a terrorist is not torture, so it is OK.

n2ize
11-06-2007, 09:00 PM
Quote[/b] (W4DFW @ Nov. 05 2007,20:51)]
What you say makes sense when you look at it from the extremely narrow tunnel vision point of view from which many neocons seem to operate these days. There are several serious issues with this waterboarding&quot; and other forms of torture.

1) The Bush admin claims they do not use torture. Yet if allegations of waterboarding are true then they are clearly lying.

2) Mukasey stated that he does not know if waterboarding is a form of torture when it clearly is a form of torture. As a matter of fact it has been used and recognized as a form of torture for several centuries.

3) It is a violation of International law. Of course to many neocons &quot;international law&quot; means nothing.

4) It is a violation of our own laws, which again means nothing to many of todays cons.

5) Torture in and of itself is not an effective method of interrogation. Often torture victims will give invalid confessions and information merely to get out of the torture.

6) It sets a bad example when a nation like ours engages in torture and increases the liklihood that such techniques will be used against us in the event of a tragic turn of events or situation in which an enemy hold the upper hand.


Quote[/b] ]
That's the ticket!! We're responsible for the terrorists who want to kill us! How could I be so stupid?? # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif


It's a double edged sword, a two way street of which all too often we look at only one side. Both sides are responsible for what we see today. In many ways the present is purchased by the past and the future by the present. People in the middle east didn;t wake up one day and say &quot;hey, let's become terrorists and go after the western world&quot;. The types of situations we see today grew out of years upon years of bad diplomacy, wester support for rogue autocratic regimes in the region, acquisition of resources, oil, etc. Until both sides are ready to engage in serious diplomacy and are willing to admit to the errors of their ways the situation will never be resolved. Did you ever stop to think that terrorists make up a miniscule portion of the population of the world yet they have been able to gain support. Of course the shotgun diplomacy of the present and past administrations is not helping to diffuse a volatile situation.

K3XR
11-07-2007, 12:18 AM
Check out these nut jobs.
http://hotair.com/archive....print=1 (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/06/video-lefty-whackjobs-waterboard-themselves/?print=1)

ad4mg
11-07-2007, 12:36 AM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 06 2007,19:18)]Check out these nut jobs.
http://hotair.com/archive....print=1 (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/06/video-lefty-whackjobs-waterboard-themselves/?print=1)
Yeah, a site named hotair dot com is bound to be loaded with them. Thanks for the head's up on that, Dann-O.

N3ATS
11-07-2007, 12:50 AM
Quote[/b] (K0HWY @ Oct. 29 2007,01:42)]Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer.
Exactly. Not much difference between him and professional wrassling.

N1LAF
11-08-2007, 02:13 AM
ooppsss

K3XR
11-08-2007, 04:17 AM
One way the LEFT rewrites history.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=58568 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58568)

ad4mg
11-08-2007, 10:20 AM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 07 2007,23:17)]One way the LEFT rewrites history.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news....D=58568 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58568)
The liberals have taken over world nut daily?

Mercy.

K3XR
11-12-2007, 06:23 PM
More on Clinton Crime Family associate, Hsu-be-doo.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB119482937807389596.html

ad4mg
11-12-2007, 08:23 PM
Quote[/b] (K3XR @ Nov. 12 2007,13:23)]More on Clinton Crime Family associate, Hsu-be-doo.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB119482937807389596.html
Wrong thread again, Dann-O, this one's about NeoKons. You should be well versed on that topic.

Try to aim your post&amp;run specials a little more carefully.

Run, Dann-O, Run!