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Covert spy outed by government. Yes, as always, it was Clinton.
Clinton Did It. (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=365c9d7f-fbe0-4eee-9746-4accb8525576)
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 26 2007,09:14)]Covert spy outed by government. Yes, as always, it was Clinton.
Clinton Did It. (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=365c9d7f-fbe0-4eee-9746-4accb8525576)
Of course.
Klinton is also the root cause of Global Warming, and I'm pretty sure he's had a hand in 'Dandruff' as well.
(...searches around for that ever-elusive 'smart@ss' emoticon...)
Oh, but don't the NEOCONs have no talking points for this today? Hey, the Clinton News Network had lots and lots to say about it. Huh? What? Talk louder, the crickets are really bad tonight!
kc0ukk
10-27-2007, 02:39 AM
Valerie Plame continues to lie through her beautiful teeth. Bush made no claim that Iraq had struck a deal with Niger for yellowcake. The claim was that Iraq attempted to strike a deal for yellowcake and that attempt was, in fact, confirmed by Joe Wilson.
Clinton is one of us now, he converted.
Go USA!
Plame caused collateral damage and is trying to lie out of it. Still flogging the horse.
n2ize
10-27-2007, 03:28 AM
Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Oct. 26 2007,20:02)]Plame caused collateral damage and is trying to lie out of it. #Still flogging the horse.
When in doubt alter reality.
n2ize
10-27-2007, 03:29 AM
Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 26 2007,18:39)]Oh, but don't the NEOCONs have no talking points for this today? #Hey, the Clinton News Network had lots and lots to say about it. #Huh? #What? #Talk louder, the crickets are really bad tonight!
It takes a little time to make up the talking points. But eventually they come around as ye can see.
W4DFW
10-27-2007, 03:50 AM
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Oct. 25 2007,23:28)]Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Oct. 26 2007,20:02)]Plame caused collateral damage and is trying to lie out of it. Still flogging the horse.
When in doubt alter reality.
Spoken like a true Democrat!!
I'm proud!
Edited to add:
I guess if I was Plame, I'd write a book and try to make money off my 15 minutes of fame. Of course, she doesn't want to mention that Congress concluded that her husband was a lier and that *HE* was going 'round D.C. telling others his wife was a CIA agent even before she was supposedly "outed."
When you boil all this down it just becomes partisan politics at its worst. Plame is, nevertheless, a brain-dead idiot and her husband a lier.
No wonder smart folks stay out of politics. When a Federal Prosecutor with a Viagra Induced Hard-On can investigate a "crime" even after he knows "who done it" in order to "get" someone, *ANYONE* in the Bush White House, we as a country are screwed.
Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Oct. 26 2007,23:29)]Quote[/b] (n2nh @ Oct. 26 2007,18:39)]Oh, but don't the NEOCONs have no talking points for this today? Hey, the Clinton News Network had lots and lots to say about it. Huh? What? Talk louder, the crickets are really bad tonight!
It takes a little time to make up the talking points. But eventually they come around as ye can see.
Yeh, but sometimes I wonder...
If we've got this, then what are they left with?
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KB1KIX
10-27-2007, 04:15 AM
Must be a slow news day..... this is older than Obama lying about over 10,000. people, an entire town, dying in the Kansas tornado!
Then again..... John will now just call me a racist again....
Jonathan
"By the work one knows the workman." -Jean de La Fontaine
KB1KIX
10-27-2007, 04:30 AM
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.
W. C. Fields
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 27 2007,00:30)]If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.
W. C. Fields
Just for posterity. When anyone asks me, "What do you know about Jonathon?" I'll just link to this his life-defining philosophy. Heck, this is probably your finest moment. Having a chance to say something, you go to W(ater) C(loset) Fields.
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KB1KIX
10-27-2007, 04:43 AM
Why must you be so aggressive.
Peace be with you John.... you really need some.
"In the clashes between ignorance and intelligence, ignorance is generally the aggressor"
Paul Harris
KA8DKT
10-27-2007, 06:35 AM
Quote[/b] (kc0ukk @ Oct. 26 2007,22:39)]Valerie Plame continues to lie through her beautiful teeth. #Bush made no claim that Iraq had struck a deal with Niger for yellowcake. #The claim was that Iraq attempted to strike a deal for yellowcake and that attempt was, in fact, confirmed by Joe Wilson.
That may have been the administration's claim.
Iraq may or may not have wanted to buy yellowcake but they never made an attempt to do so. #And Joe Wilson never confirmed an attempt on the part of Iraq to buy yellowcake. #What happened was that Niger officials concluded, from observing Iraq's attempt to start commercial relationship with Niger, that the relationship's purpose was to buy yellowcake.
More than that, it would have been very difficult for anyone to even try to buy the uranium. #As he wrote in 2003 (and, of course, these facts are quite verifiable):
Quote[/b] ]Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq. Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominak, which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Moreover, because the two mines are closely regulated, quasi-governmental entities, selling uranium would require the approval of the minister of mines, the prime minister and probably the president. In short, there's simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired.
In other words, anyone even attempting to buy yellowcake from Niger would have raised attention. #It could not have been done quietly. #This may have been what led experts to look closely at the letters that had indicated the sale; they had to have known about the bureaucracy of the mines and uranium sales, it wasn't any kind of secret. #These letters, as you may recall, turned out to be forged and poorly done, at that. #Even so, the State Department continued to "stand by" their sources that claimed the sale (mostly the Blair administration). #
What would be the purpose of forging all these letters unless you are planning to "prove" that Iraq had bought processed uranium yellowcake? #Who stood to gain from that little lie? #Not Niger. #Not Iraq. #Not Italy.# Not even Joe Wilson. #Whoever stood to gain from the lie was responsible for the forgery.
As soon as the paperwork was shown to be fake, bush started saying the Iraq had "sought" yellowcake (State of the Union address 2003, after Wilson's reports to the administration in 2002), where the State Department had been saying "bought" before. #
I know it is tough for those who just cannot stand the fact that neither Valerie Plame nor Joe Wilson are liars. #I'd suggest you take a look and see who has lied to you all along, if you are looking for liars. #Look to the administration that told you that Iraq had bought the yellowcake and the person who was saying that Iraq had sought yellowcake.
-gary
kc0ukk
10-27-2007, 06:46 AM
Quote[/b] ]The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html)
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 27 2007,00:43)]Why must you be so aggressive.
Peace be with you John.... you really need some.
"In the clashes between ignorance and intelligence, ignorance is generally the aggressor"
Paul Harris
That explains your proclivity for sites like that, Jonathon. Funny, I really don't care if someone posts cr*p like that. I really don't care if someone doesn't like my posts, heck they're entitled to have their opinion. And for the record, if someone really doesn't like me, the sun will still rise in the morning. OTOH, people who like to feel that they're putting one over the rest of us, well, that's when the fun begins.
Wouldn't you agree Jonathon?
For the record, this is Shinola... notice the difference between this and your posts.
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Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 26 2007,17:43)]Why must you be so aggressive.
Peace be with you John.... you really need some.
"In the clashes between ignorance and intelligence, ignorance is generally the aggressor"
Paul Harris
I gotta use that in one of my office meetings on Monday. Perfect! Do you mind if I use it, I mean no copyright infringement?
K2WH
BTW, John, did you shower yesterday? Your post stinks.
Quote[/b] (KB1KIX @ Oct. 26 2007,20:43)]Why must you be so aggressive.
Peace be with you John.... you really need some.
"In the clashes between ignorance and intelligence, ignorance is generally the aggressor"
Paul Harris
You're kidding, right?
pot, kettle, black, station...
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Oct. 27 2007,00:29)]...
K2WH
BTW, John, did you shower yesterday? Your post stinks.
Move your nose away from it like a non homo-type and it won't bother you.
Quote[/b] (K2WH @ Oct. 27 2007,08:29)]BTW, John, did you shower yesterday? Your post stinks.
Don't stand, don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me
Don't stand, don't stand so
Don't stand so close to me.
Plame's "mentor", Mrs. Bill.
http://newsbusters.org/node/16693/print
N1LAF
10-29-2007, 12:05 AM
1. Being a covert agent, what was she thinking by injecting herself into the political mess by recommending her husband to investigate. Smarter thinking would not getting involved in the first place.
2. What about all those liberals who got it wrong about who outed Ms. Plame? Remember, it was within a discussion between Columnist Robert Novak and Mr. Armitage. None of them apologized for blaming the wrong people.
K0RGR
10-29-2007, 01:48 AM
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 28 2007,17:05)]1. Being a covert agent, what was she thinking by injecting herself into the political mess by recommending her husband to investigate. Smarter thinking would not getting involved in the first place.
2. What about all those liberals who got it wrong about who outed Ms. Plame? Remember, it was within a discussion between Columnist Robert Novak and Mr. Armitage. None of them apologized for blaming the wrong people.
I still contend that Armitage was a loyal party stooge who lied as a smokescreen to let Rove escape indictment. Indeed, other testimony pointed the finger squarely at Rove - other reporters, not involved with Armitage or Novak, testified that they heard it from Rove first. Whatever Armitage did was irrelevant. And, Novak was previously involved in a similar case where he allegedly lied to protect Rove.
I will cut out that Shinola picture and show it to the neocon who told me in 2003 that this story had "no traction".
Wilson served both Democratic and Republican presidents in the State Department. He was hardly a Democratic Party apparatchick.
This treatment of the Wilsons has become so typical of Republicans everywhere. I read a story the other day about a GOP-crazed student trying to get a professor at his college fired because he's running for Congress while still teaching at the university. If you can't beat the opponent with honest arguments, attack their family or take away their livelihood. It's right out of the Nixon Book of Dirty Tricks that all Republicans are required to kiss if they run for office.
N1LAF
10-29-2007, 02:14 AM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Oct. 28 2007,18:48)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 28 2007,17:05)]1. Being a covert agent, what was she thinking by injecting herself into the political mess by recommending her husband to investigate. Smarter thinking would not getting involved in the first place.
2. What about all those liberals who got it wrong about who outed Ms. Plame? Remember, it was within a discussion between Columnist Robert Novak and Mr. Armitage. None of them apologized for blaming the wrong people.
I still contend that Armitage was a loyal party stooge who lied as a smokescreen to let Rove escape indictment. Indeed, other testimony pointed the finger squarely at Rove - other reporters, not involved with Armitage or Novak, testified that they heard it from Rove first. Whatever Armitage did was irrelevant. And, Novak was previously involved in a similar case where he allegedly lied to protect Rove.
I will cut out that Shinola picture and show it to the neocon who told me in 2003 that this story had "no traction".
Wilson served both Democratic and Republican presidents in the State Department. He was hardly a Democratic Party apparatchick.
This treatment of the Wilsons has become so typical of Republicans everywhere. I read a story the other day about a GOP-crazed student trying to get a professor at his college fired because he's running for Congress while still teaching at the university. If you can't beat the opponent with honest arguments, attack their family or take away their livelihood. It's right out of the Nixon Book of Dirty Tricks that all Republicans are required to kiss if they run for office.
You may believe that, but because (1) Mr. Armitage is known for being non-partisan, more to the liking of Colin Powell, which (2) run contrary to the Bush inner circle, and (3) lack of democrats ganging up on Mr. Armitage. That and Mr. Novak isn't known to be a liar. So with these 4 points, I tend to believe it was a slip that started with Mr. Armitage, and spread through the gossip mill.
Look, we can find kooks on both sides, and as we know, the kooks really don't represent each side. So, you can find kooks to try to boaster you position, and so can I, so lets cut the nonsense right here. Same about the book of dirty tricks, the Clinton's are among the dirtiest. And don't go into that the democrats are as clean as pure snow, you are smarter than that. Give me a break.
Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 28 2007,14:14)]Look, we can find kooks on both sides, and as we know, the kooks really don't represent each side. So, you can find kooks to try to boaster you position, and so can I, so lets cut the nonsense right here. Same about the book of dirty tricks, the Clinton's are among the dirtiest. And don't go into that the democrats are as clean as pure snow, you are smarter than that. Give me a break.
Some people like those who call our fighting men and women "phony soldiers". Others don't.
Some people like those who release secret agent identities to the press like Rove did. Others don't.
It is okay to defend certain individuals, but do not deny their actions.
N1LAF
10-29-2007, 07:00 PM
Quote[/b] (n9xr @ Oct. 28 2007,20:23)]Quote[/b] (N1LAF @ Oct. 28 2007,14:14)]
You may believe that, but because (1) Mr. Armitage is known for being non-partisan, more to the liking of Colin Powell, which (2) run contrary to the Bush inner circle, and (3) lack of democrats ganging up on Mr. Armitage. That and Mr. Novak isn't known to be a liar. So with these 4 points, I tend to believe it was a slip that started with Mr. Armitage, and spread through the gossip mill.
Look, we can find kooks on both sides, and as we know, the kooks really don't represent each side. So, you can find kooks to try to boaster you position, and so can I, so lets cut the nonsense right here. Same about the book of dirty tricks, the Clinton's are among the dirtiest. And don't go into that the democrats are as clean as pure snow, you are smarter than that. Give me a break.
Some people like those who call our fighting men and women "phony soldiers". Others don't.
Some people like those who release secret agent identities to the press like Rove did. Others don't.
It is okay to defend certain individuals, but do not deny their actions.
"Phony Soldiers" are those with or without military background, taking credit/claim for actions they did not perform.
Point being made that it was poor judgment of an covert agent to be involved in a political decision. The point of a covert agent is not to bring any attention to oneself.
DEM operative and Bush hater back in the news again. Of course she's a Clinton/Soros Moveon.org lover.
http://newsbusters.org/node/17705/print
KW4MW
12-09-2007, 02:57 PM
Quote[/b] ] Valerie Plame Wilson, in an interview Thursday which aired Saturday night on a Washington, DC area cable channel,
I wonder what the Nielsen ratings were for that production http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
kg6amw
12-09-2007, 04:36 PM
Just another phony elite couple looking to sell a book and hoping to get a position in the next democrat administration. Unfortunately have a reputation as traitors sometimes puts off future employers -- that security thing and all.