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kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Has anyone seen this new region II band plan?
This is floating around the winlink groups right now.
http://www.iaru-regionii.org/
Edited
Well the link didn't work for me. I clicked on home and went to the home page and saw HF BAND PLAN along with a bunch more places and clicked on the band plan and got it.
This is the URL for the home page
http://www.iaru-regionii.org/
73's
This is basically the bandplan overlay to the bandwidth regulation scheme in that region. I would not be supprised to see a petition from Winlinkers seeking the FCC's adoption of the international plan. Same tactic as used by NCI in seeking the removal of the code test.
KD6NIG
10-05-2007, 01:42 PM
Let me guess.
They gave .5khz to everything else and the rest says WINLINK?
ab0wr
10-05-2007, 01:46 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 05 2007,06:39)]This is basically the bandplan overlay to the bandwidth regulation scheme in that region. I would not be supprised to see a petition from Winlinkers seeking the FCC's adoption of the international plan. Same tactic as used by NCI in seeking the removal of the code test.
Read the very last stuff in the bandplan!
Quote[/b] ]Unattended transmitting stations:
IARU member societies are requested to limit this activity on the HF bands. It is recommended that any unattended transmitting stations on HF shall be activated only under operator control except for beacons agreed with the IARU beacon coordinator, or specially licensed experimental stations.
I'm sure the WL2K folks will like this one!!!!
All those PMBO operators will need to actually have control operators at their station during operation in order to be in compliance with the "voluntary" bandplan.
Guess we'll see how long it takes to see if they comply!!!
ROFL!!!
tim ab0wr
You're right Tim but the bandplan as an overlay is a "step" in the Euro plan to train use so eventually they can use bandwidth regulation without a bandplan. The "all modes" in the USA phone bands is the dead give away. Basically it's a bandwidth regulation with the "security blankie" of a somewhat familiar looking bandplan.
W4INF
10-05-2007, 02:59 PM
Doesn't bother me any, I continue to work CW in the CW portion even if someone is working phone in the CW portion during say... a contest. :-) CW works most anywhere. A filter is your friend. HA HA!
kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 03:47 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 05 2007,09:39)]This is basically the bandplan overlay to the bandwidth regulation scheme in that region. I would not be supprised to see a petition from Winlinkers seeking the FCC's adoption of the international plan. Same tactic as used by NCI in seeking the removal of the code test.
Well it is only a matter of time. Remember the United States is in Region 2 and I think this is a flanking manuever done by the winlink crowd. One thing that really concerns me is the all modes in the SSB portion of the band.
The winlinkers are already claiming on their message boards that the auto sub-band is for winlink only. The mis-information is already flowing in the winlid crowd.
kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 03:52 PM
Quote[/b] ]IARU member societies are requested to limit this activity on the HF bands. It is
recommended that any unattended transmitting stations on HF shall be activated
only under operator control except for beacons agreed with the IARU beacon
coordinator, or specially licensed experimental stations.
This is the part that the winlids will say does not apply to them since it is a recommendation only. The IARU is requesting that they limit the activity but I don't see winlink limiting anything, only getting more annoying.
kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 03:54 PM
Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 05 2007,10:00)]You're right Tim but the bandplan as an overlay is a "step" in the Euro plan to train use so eventually they can use bandwidth regulation without a bandplan. The "all modes" in the USA phone bands is the dead give away. Basically it's a bandwidth regulation with the "security blankie" of a somewhat familiar looking bandplan.
Charlie, you are right however the winlids will try and use this bandplan to expand to the voice bands because they claim they are semi automatic and now it will be a war of wording. We need to squash this crap before it starts festering and stinking up the bands.
n0nwo
10-05-2007, 03:57 PM
The more they try to garbage up the bands, the more glad I am I mostly operate cw http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Minton
K0RGR
10-05-2007, 04:12 PM
Well, the anti-WINLINK forces should be pleased - the plan calls for strict limits on where automatic stations can be operated, too.
Too bad it is just a suggestion.
The CW folks would not like the 40 meter plan at all! So maybe it's good that it's just a suggestion!
At least now when those WINLINK stations stomp all over the QRP ops on 7040, you'll know why. And there is about ZERO likelihood that the automatic detection for existing signals will work there!
KI4ODO
10-05-2007, 05:20 PM
Quote[/b] (W4INF @ Oct. 05 2007,07:59)]Doesn't bother me any, I continue to work CW in the CW portion even if someone is working phone in the CW portion during say... a contest. :-) #CW works most anywhere. A filter is your friend. HA HA!
I'm with you on that. However, in the band plan we are looking at here, the 40 meter layout sucks for CW ops.
Quote[/b] (kc7gnm @ Oct. 05 2007,08:54)]Quote[/b] (AG4YO @ Oct. 05 2007,10:00)]You're right Tim but the bandplan as an overlay is a "step" in the Euro plan to train use so eventually they can use bandwidth regulation without a bandplan. The "all modes" in the USA phone bands is the dead give away. Basically it's a bandwidth regulation with the "security blankie" of a somewhat familiar looking bandplan.
Charlie, you are right however the winlids will try and use this bandplan to expand to the voice bands because they claim they are semi automatic and now it will be a war of wording. We need to squash this crap before it starts festering and stinking up the bands.
I don't disagree. Whether you use the linked bandplan as a security blanket for those trying to get used to a bandwidth regulation plan already on the books in other countries, or you use it in the USA as a "foot in the door" first step toward implementing a bandwidth regulation plan, the result is the same. The latter is what I feel we'll see from the Winlink crowd.
kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 05:28 PM
Quote[/b] (K0RGR @ Oct. 05 2007,12:12)]At least now when those WINLINK stations stomp all over the QRP ops on 7040, you'll know why. And there is about ZERO likelihood that the automatic detection for existing signals will work there!
Well it doesn't work now so what is gonna change?
wa3vjb
10-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Quote[/b] ]One thing that really concerns me is the all modes in the SSB portion of the band.
What really really bothers me is that there is an "SSB portion of the band."
WTF ????
When did that happen ???
That's it, I give up and am selling out.
kc7gnm
10-05-2007, 07:11 PM
Quote[/b] (wa3vjb @ Oct. 05 2007,14:46)]Quote[/b] ]One thing that really concerns me is the all modes in the SSB portion of the band.
What really really bothers me is that there is an "SSB portion of the band."
WTF http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
When did that happen http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
That's it, I give up and am selling out.
Ok Voice section of the band. Maybe I should have clarified it.
kn4ds
10-06-2007, 01:56 AM
The tell-all is the repeated use of "all modes" throughout this putative band plan.
Obviously that's to give the Winlink crowd unlimited access to all the HF bands, which is what the IARU (teh ARRL stepchild) is really pushing with this.
kc7gnm
10-06-2007, 03:54 AM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Oct. 05 2007,21:56)]The tell-all is the repeated use of "all modes" throughout this putative band plan.
Obviously that's to give the Winlink crowd unlimited access to all the HF bands, which is what the IARU (teh ARRL stepchild) is really pushing with this.
Dave you hit that one square on the head. They could not get the support from us up front so they are back dooring this band plan. What is funny is why no mention of it from the ARRL yet?
kn4ds
10-06-2007, 04:02 AM
Quote[/b] (kc7gnm @ Oct. 05 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Oct. 05 2007,21:56)]The tell-all is the repeated use of "all modes" throughout this putative band plan.
Obviously that's to give the Winlink crowd unlimited access to all the HF bands, which is what the IARU (teh ARRL stepchild) is really pushing with this.
Dave you hit that one square on the head. They could not get the support from us up front so they are back dooring this band plan. What is funny is why no mention of it from the ARRL yet?
Possibly, they've not yet formulated their own Petition for Rulemaking.
kc7gnm
10-06-2007, 04:48 AM
Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Oct. 06 2007,00:02)]Quote[/b] (kc7gnm @ Oct. 05 2007,23:54)]Quote[/b] (KE4UWL @ Oct. 05 2007,21:56)]The tell-all is the repeated use of "all modes" throughout this putative band plan.
Obviously that's to give the Winlink crowd unlimited access to all the HF bands, which is what the IARU (teh ARRL stepchild) is really pushing with this.
Dave you hit that one square on the head. They could not get the support from us up front so they are back dooring this band plan. What is funny is why no mention of it from the ARRL yet?
Possibly, they've not yet formulated their own Petition for Rulemaking.
Well if they try this male cow excrement again then we need to make sure everyone knows about it and fights it again. Sorry but regulation by bandwidth is a very bad idea.
ab0wr
10-06-2007, 02:45 PM
The one thing we need to keep in mind is that the US is the 800lb gorilla in this mess. Some states in the US have more hams than the rest of the Region 2 combined. So what we do in the US has to based on what is best for the US, not for the rest of Region 2.
I would suspect this bandplan is more of a statement about South American operation than it is about US operation -- just listen to where the stations south of us operate.
Having said that, I firmly believe that the ARRL *will* use this as a reason to refile their bandwidth regulation debacle.
I suspect that we need to keep up with the AR-Watch activities that N5PVL has started in order to document what will happen if the "bad guys" are turned loose on the ham bands.
We also need to make sure that the FCC understands that the amateur community as a whole feels that the IARU "recommendation" about unattended stations be made into an actual Part 97 rule regardless of whether this bandplan is ever considered for the US.
To that effect, what would all on here think about filing a petition with the FCC asking for the IARU recommendation about unattended stations be made into a Part 97 rule?
Would it fly?
tim ab0wr
Don't the IARU and the National Association for Amateur Radio discuss this stuff?
The IARU 'SSB QRP' centres of activity on 7285 and 14285 will collide disastrously with the current NAAR bandplan which designates two pigeonholes as AM 'calling frequencies' on 7290 and 14286 (although NAAR uses 7290 for SSB bulletins).
At least they got the 20m DX window and the SSTV window right!
IARU Region 2 bandplan (http://www.iaru-regionii.org/Region_2_MF1_2008.pdf)
NAAR bandplan (http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html)
The Countries of Region 2
Anguilla | Antigua-Barbuda | #Argentina | Aruba | Bahamas | Barbados | Belize | Bermuda | Bolivia | Brazil | British Virgin Islands | Canada #Cayman Islands | Chile | Colombia | Costa Rica | Cuba | Dominica | Dominican Republic | Ecuador | El Salvador | Grenada | Guadeloupe #Guatemala | Guyana | Haiti | Honduras | Jamaica | Martinique | Mexico | Montserrat | Netherlands Antilles | Nicaragua | Panama #Paraguay | Peru | St. Kitts and Nevis | St. Lucia | St. Vincent and the Grenadines | Suriname | Trinidad and Tobago | Turks and Caicos |#United States of America | Uruguay | Venezuela
wa3vjb
10-08-2007, 12:35 AM
eham.net quotes the club in Newington as acknowledging a role by the sneaky, intransigent, special interest lobbyist PAUL RINALDO, who is the same misguided person who pushed the bandwidth petition through the ARRL's Board of Directors.
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The Conference next received the report of Committee B/C, a combined technical and operational committee dealing with both HF and VHF/UHF matters. This committee was chaired by Ramon Santoyo, XE1KK, of Mexico City, Mexico; the ARRL's Rinaldo, served as secretary. The Plenary adopted all of the Committee's recommendations, including: A new Region 2 band plan for 160-10 meters was adopted, effective January 1, 2008. The new plan is modeled on one adopted previously by IARU Region 1, with regional differences taken into account; steps were taken to try to reduce interference to national emergency Nets, including establishing an inventory of such Nets and calling their importance to the attention of the radio amateur community; and an IARU Region 2 Diploma was approved, with some details remaining to be worked out by the Executive Committee.
N5PVL
10-08-2007, 12:57 AM
Quote[/b] ]Unattended transmitting stations:
IARU member societies are requested to limit this activity on the HF bands. It is recommended that any unattended transmitting stations on HF shall be activated only under operator control except for beacons agreed with the IARU beacon coordinator, or specially licensed experimental stations.
This is another direct attack upon the ARRL SkipNet and HF Packet.
I thought the language "any unattended transmitting stations on HF shall be activated only under operator control" to be particularly moronic.
Sounds like Rinaldo to me!
What they are saying is that unattended (automatic) stations must be activated by an operator, not another automated station. This lets WinLink's alleged "semi-auto" thing run all over the place, but edges out the HF Packet folks.
Edit: I am adding an IARU Watch at ARWatch.Com... Prior to this, I didn't see much need for one.
N5PVL
10-08-2007, 03:05 PM
It has all the earmarks of the ARRL bandwith segmentation scandal. - The under the table dealing, the dishonesty, the packed committee, the direct, hostile attack on HF Packet, the junk-science... It's all there - again.
This does not look good on the IARU.
k6jpd
10-10-2007, 03:36 PM
i'm soooooooooo confused. now i have to learn new numbers! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif 18.095 - 18.068 http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?? did we lose some sprectrum somewhere?
7.070 DV (digital voice) centre of activity?http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif? isn't that the worldwide PSK area?
did i miss another arrl survey?
i don't think i will be a "gentleman" as far as this "plan" is concerned. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif