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WD5JLE
09-29-2007, 08:24 PM
This is an e-mail I recieved today from a friend of mine who is also a ham. He gave me permission to relay it to anyone I chose, it's so good I decided to let everyone in on it !


from KE5DYD
Subject: Real Men don't read instructions


I like a funny story even if it is on me.



About a year ago, I bought a Yeasu FS 857 D High Frequency Ham radio and a nice ARAS 120A screwdriver antenna that automatically tunes to the frequency you have selected on the transceiver. Yesterday I decided it had set around the house long enough, and decided to install it in my truck…where it was intended to be put a year ago.



I found the right spot on the truck for the antenna and installed it. It took about an hour to run the coax behind panels and under the threshold of the door. It went without too much trouble.



The radio can be installed with the transceiver in a remote location with the head closer to the driver. I had built a small console that sits between the front passengers and had an ICOM 2720 remote head installed on it with the transceiver installed under the driver’s seat. I wanted to install this HF rig in a similar manner with the transceiver under the passenger seat and the remote head on the little console next to the head of the 2720.



I took the 4 bolts loose from the passenger seat, turned it upside down and began the install. For your information, even a captains seat on a truck is not a really light thing and to get it out takes some maneuvering and a lot of straining…besides having to go to the front door to get those bolts out and then moving the seat as far forward as it will go and then going to the back door to get those bolts out. That does not count the number of times that I left the wrench in the front floor board when I needed it at the back and had to then get unwound from between the seats and go fetch the wrench. After about 30 minutes, I finally got the seat out and upside down so I could work on it. I finally found some holes under the seat that would align with the holes on the transceiver bracket and got it installed. That sounds simple enough until you realize that there are 4 machine screws on the side of the transceiver that holds it in place on the mounting bracket and the mechanisms under the seat only allow about a half inch on each side to get them in and then get them tight. Then I wrestled the seat back into place…no easy feat in itself…and got the 4 bolts that hold the seat back in place. Keeping in mind the reverse of the above sequence where you have to go from one door to the other and forgetting the wrench again, etc. etc. Now keep this sequence of events in mind as the story progresses; because, it will come in handy later.



Now I have the remote head in hand and take about an hour to fabricate a piece of wood that will fit it at just the right angle so I can see it from the driver’s seat. I recessed some screws, put the block on the console, fastened the remote head mounting bracket and was ready to mount the remote head to the bracket when I realized a problem. You remember I said I had installed that ICOM 2720 before? On the remote head of the ICOM, it has a receptacle for a cable that goes from the remote head to the transceiver below the driver’s seat, and on the other side of the remote head, it has another receptacle for the mike cord. A cord coming from the transceiver to one side of the remote head and a cord from the remote head to the microphone on the other side. Very simple; straight forward and logical.



When I looked at the remote head on the 857, sure enough there was a receptacle from the transceiver…now attached under the right front passenger seat..to the remote head, but no place to plug the microphone into the remote head. That couldn’t be right. Why have a remote head with a 10’ cord when you have to plug the microphone into the transceiver with a 3’ cord? I thought that was one of the stupidest things I had ever seen a Japanese radio company do, but there was only one thing to do. I had to remount the transceiver up on the console so the microphone cord would reach. How dumb?



You remember I said to keep in mind how difficult it was to take that seat out, etc.? That is exactly what I did. When I got the transceiver out, I put the seat back with all the difficulties related above…sans the transceiver. I then found a proper place on the console for the receiver and mounted it there…after having to move a speaker about 2 inches so I could get the screws into the mounting bracket for the transceiver. Now the transceiver is mounted within 6” of the remote head…looks like s___t, but the microphone is now accessable. I found the cable that goes between the transceiver and the remote head…it wont fit. I then saw another package of cables and discovered it was the correct 10’ cable that goes from the transceiver to the remote head, but what was this other 10’ cable? After looking at it for about 10 minutes like a calf looking at a new gate, a terrible thought struck me…sure enough…that cable was an extension cable for the mike. Still a crappy design. If I want to have a remote install, I would now have two cables coming from the transceiver…one for the remote head, and one for the microphone..instead of one cable between the transceiver and the remote head and a shorter cable from the remote to the mike. Well if that is the way those #*-#*&# guys designed it, it will not get the best of me. I am better than any radio…soooo. I uninstalled the transceiver from the console and took that front seat out a third time and reinstalled the transceiver under it…reference the above paragraph about the difficulty of taking the seat out, installing the transceiver and reinstalling the seat. Finally everything was all installed, tested and works like a charm. I am very pleased with the radio and begin putting all the tools up and throwing away all the plastic bags and boxes, etc. I got all the tools put up, got all the trash picked up and put in trash cans except one final box…the big box that the radio came in. When I picked it up, there, underneath, was the instruction pamphlet for the “install of your new remote head and microphone”. I threw it on the ground and stomped it till my feet hurt.



I am a grown man and don’t need instructions.



Arlie Edwards

Wills Point

(((73)))

KE5DYD

KC0TPI
10-04-2007, 07:41 AM
Been there.....done that.....GOT THE T-SHIRT LOL ;) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

K9FV
10-04-2007, 04:13 PM
The Kenwood D700A is the same way, the mic plugs into the body, not the remote head - BUT that actually worked best for me as I mounted the body in the trunk of the motorcyle where the interface wiring is located..... Now, my 706 the mic plugs into the remote head OR the body.... That is the way it SHOULD be done.

73 de Ken H>

ki4rca
10-05-2007, 02:54 AM
I bet you've gotten good at taking that seat out!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

WA7PRC
10-05-2007, 05:26 AM
Microphone? #I seriously don't use one while mobile. #Where does the key plug in?

vy 73 es gud dx ob,
Bryan WA7PRC #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

KD7ZOS
10-05-2007, 06:57 AM
Had to reply on this one!: After I wipe the tears from my eyes.! Methinks all of us have done it, remember RTFM, loved your persistance. I have the 897 and playing with a mobile install as well, in the future! Must agree however that they are not user friendly. Like to have some of their engineers over for a wrench party...and after the cussing, drinking and 3rd or 4th installation attempt :-( send them back to Japan to make the damn things more installable for us hams. I'm not a techie, and after looking at Kenwood, Icom, I chose the only one left Yeasu for simplicity...I thought! sigh ! 73's Tom KD7ZOS

k4rjj
10-05-2007, 04:06 PM
Quote[/b] (KC0TPI @ Oct. 04 2007,00:41)]Been there.....done that.....GOT THE T-SHIRT LOL ;) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Where did you get a T-shirt from Yaesu? All I got was 3 hats! LOL!!!

I've read the instructions on all these radios (857, 897)for years... Now If I could just afford to buy one I should be in great shape!

Mine will also be a 857D. I won't buy Icom again since I have had 3 bad radios from them. My VX-170 (I have two) has never had issues save a design flaw in covering the mic with waterproofing material.

I'll probably get an 857D about the time they come up with the next big radio...

n6ajr
10-05-2007, 10:37 PM
Ok so I am mounting my 857d in the dodge intrepid, and it misses fitting in the little tray in the middle by about 1/16 of an inch, so I drill holes in the plastic side of the center consol and then mount the bracket to that with about 6 self tapping sheet metal screws, and hang the radio. 2 problems, the bottom is to close to attach the coax and the angle of the screen is bad.

so I now mount the mount with another 6 or 8 screws ( in different spots because nothing lines up from the first batch of holes) and then remount the radio, and it is good. I run the cables to the battery, and stick on the ATAS antenna and fish all the wires. wheeee it s done.

so my adult daughter gets in the car and says Dad, this radio hits my leg...

I say, "thats ok, I never ride over there any how.." !!


, nuttin like having a perfect installation.

KE5HSW
10-06-2007, 02:19 AM
Ok now with that said and done,,,any help instal one in Corvet? There is 2 inches between the bottom of the seat and the floor! no available space to mount one but the antenna looks great coming out of the trunk!

kc0mce
10-06-2007, 11:40 AM
Made my day. Tnx. Been there done that. Now if I can just program the dang thing.

Arlie
10-06-2007, 02:06 PM
Quote[/b] (KE5HSW @ Oct. 05 2007,19:19)]Ok now with that said and done,,,any help instal one in Corvet? #There is 2 inches between the bottom of the seat and the floor! #no available space to mount one but the antenna looks great coming out of the trunk!
Since I am the one who wrote the original piece, I have a suggestion. Put the radio on a concrete drive way. Hit it seventeen times with a 6# sledge hammer. It will now install in a Corvette. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

M3GID
10-07-2007, 12:00 PM
Oh how I chuckled when I read this, how many times have I done this myself, not just in radio, in all walks of life....and you can rest assured that there will be some clever-dick just waiting to say those immortal words........."I told you so!"

Instructions are like Kit-e-kat..............it's for pussies!

May the lord carry your signal in the palm of his hand, and put it right bang on the DX for you!

73 de Geoff
M0GID

kb2vxa
10-07-2007, 10:16 PM
"Been there.....done that.....GOT THE T-SHIRT LOL ;)"

Which one was that, the one that says I'm with stupid or the one that says I AM stupid? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

10-08-2007, 12:58 AM
What type of connector is on the mic cord?

My elmer (K1DM) had a similar problem with his Kenwood TM-V708A. The mic connects to the radio instead of the remote head. Anyway, on the TM-V708A, the mic connector is a 8 pin RJ-45 connector. The same thing used on network (ethernet) cables. He took some Cat 5 cable and made an extension for the mic. Worked really well.

N4PRT
10-08-2007, 05:38 PM
Not much has changed in the past 50 years with hams not reading the instructions for equipment. In the May 1957 QST magazine there appeared an article titled "The Careless Consumer." Check it out, and see if you can recognize yourself or anyone else...

The Careless Consumer (http://www.hamtechtalk.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=44&ed=2)

N8PU
10-14-2007, 02:58 PM
The Careless Consumer was very good reading, ...I don't need instructions, they're for the other guy. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

wp3ym
10-15-2007, 07:33 PM
It sounds like a halloween story to me:D ,scary at it sounds I had good laugh, thanks 73

wa0ofo
11-07-2007, 05:21 PM
thats a great story....truth is stranger than fiction!