Why do hams denigrate CBers?

[TheRiddler]

Time to throw another log onto the fire...

Riddle me this:

Why do so many hams have such a low opinion of CBers?

Is it because they use a different "lingo" than hams do?

But, when you sit down and think about it, what is really the difference between "10-4" and "roger," between "good buddy" and "old man," between "wall-to-wall" and "five-nine-nine?"

Is it because they are not as technically adept as hams?

Well, are they really? How many CBers do you know personally? Do you know their level of technical expertise?

Also, it has been noted in other threads here that the original Novice exam's study guide was less than a dozen pages. Doesn't take an Einstein to get through that test, I guess.

Is it because they operate illegally?

Check out the FCC Enforcement Letters on www.arrl.org someday. Seems a lot of hams operate illegally too. In fact, there was a story on www.arrl.org a week or two ago about a ham that had made threats against other hams. Seems licensing didn't make much of a difference to his attitude.

Is it because they are seen as "wanna-be" hams?

Well, heck, if they want to be hams, let's get them some study materials so they can get their license! The more the merrier, after all!

Or, is it because hams are just as prone as the rest of the human race to the need to have someone to feel superior to, someone to hate?

Yes, I said hate, because that is what I have seen from a lot of people that post here. A knee-jerk, visceral hatred of CBers. (An interesting word, visceral, it refers to the "bowels," or "guts," making a "visceral hatred" a hatred that comes straight from the gut, without ever engaging the cerebellum.)

Mind you, I have seen a good number of people here that are either neutral on CBers or pro-CB-recruitment, but I really think that there is a group of members here that absolutely abhor everyone that has ever keyed a mike on CB (and that includes me).

So, what is your reason for hating CBers, if you do?

The Riddler

p.s. Now you see why I am posting under a nom de cyber.

[K9STH]

I don't hate legitimate Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service operators (those who operate on the 40 channels, using 4 watt output maximum, type accepted equipment). However, both the absolute percentages and the absolute numbers of those who are operating illegally are MUCH larger than those amateur radio operators who operate illegally. Also, the majority of amateur radio operators who operate illegally have come from the Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service (actually the illegally operating members thereon) or from the "freebander" ranks and have not given up their roots.

The enforcement letters issued to amateur radio operators for illegal operation by the FCC represent a very small number (only a small fraction of one-percent) of amateur radio operators. But, if you just listen to the Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service frequencies and on those frequencies utilized by illegally operating "freebanders" you will very soon come up with significant number of people who are operating outside of their privileges (many, many more than those amateur radio operators who are operating illegally).

Frankly, it is only when the "freebanders" (most of whom started in the Class "D" Citizen's Radio Service) start operating within the confines of the amateur radio bands that I personally become agitated. Unfortunately, the 12 and 10 meter bands are the "in" frequencies for use by these illegally operating persons. When they "show up" on amateur frequencies, then amateur radio operators have every right to become upset.

Glen, K9STH

[N0PU]

Come in my neighborhood and go about your business legally and I couldn't care less...

Come in my neighborhood, blast your car stereo, steal from my friends and me, drive across our lawns and you have an enemy...

Come on the Ham bands, listen, learn, act decently and do it legally and I couldn't care less...

Come to the Ham bands with your roger beeps, your attitude about your 'rights', screw up my Ham bands and you have an enemy... Be you Ham, cber or freebander all the same...

Each individual shall be judged on their own actions... Just as a rose is a rose is a rose, a jerk is a jerk no matter his proclivity toward objectionable activity on the radio...

CBers are not bad, Bad CBers are worthy only of our scorn.
Hams are not bad, Bad Hams are worthy only of our contempt.

[kc0kvu]

Here's a riddle...

What has 20+ threads, no point and is beaten to DEATH?




........This topic. Go trolling for an argument elsewhere.

[KD7UKT]

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Well said, N0PU.

For the record my next vehicle will have both a CB and a 2-meter rig.

By the way... our Riddler did say the object was to &quot;throw another log on the fire&quot;... if you don't like it, there are plenty of other threads! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[KA8NCR]

I don't hate CB'ers. One of the smartest people I know is a dedicated CB'er with zero intentions of becoming an amateur radio operator.

However, he stays within the rules of the CB service and operates cleanly.

What's starting to get annoying though are recuring discussions of amateur vs cb. And that's why I'm now excusing myself from this thread.

[W4CGP]

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Since I've never dealt with one, I'll do it now and do the same.

I used to use a CB to talk to my dad on his way home from work...until the people dog-cussing and talking their trash overran CB radio here. I've heard them on the Interstate, they're just as bad. Since I've gotten my ham radio license, I've only picked up a CB once to test it out. The most useful it's ever been is determining traffic problems, and with the lack of hams to CBers on the road at any given point in time, it's darn good for that.

I'm sure CB radio used to be pretty good, but I can't stand for my ears to hear it.

[KC8QMU]

I was going to say something, but I think N0PU stole my thunder. He hit the nail right in the head.

[KD7UKT]

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Exactly the reason I plan to put both a CB and 2-meter rig in my next set of wheels. With both, I am almost certain to find help if I ever need it... or call help for another person I might see stuck on the side of the road.

[n5zvp]

I don't hate the folks that utilize CB radio. My grandfather and grandmother were licensed when that was required. My uncle was a line driver for Central for 35 years and CB was a tool of his trade. I'm considering putting a unit in my auto for trips.

What I hate is the aweful state of the CB band. I have all the channels programmed into both my scanner and my Icom PCR. When folks ask me what the difference between ham radio and CB is, I invite them to listen to the scanner or HF/VHF radio. Without fail they notice the difference. Deregulation doesn't work for radio, the power industry or banking...

Chris
N5ZVP

[w0tdh]

Tnx Glen es Harry. Well said.

Tom - K0PJG

[k3sam]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, what is your reason for hating CBers, if you do?
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What I am wondering is why you posted this. #Are you also a CB'er, and are you being persecuted. #Hope not. I have absolutely nothing against CB'ers at all, or people that dress funny, drink beer, drive pink Ramblers, etc... #

This is America, land of the free. #Do what you want, just keep it legal and try not to tread on others. #The citizens band radio can be an important tool for those that just don't want to study for an amateur license. #For those that can't afford cell phones it's a great way to call your honey on the way home from work. #I, personally, do not have a need for one. #Don't want one, don't need one, and therefore, am not going to buy one.

-Sam

[N0RKX]

Talk about stereotyping!
Why do CBer's assume Hams hate them? Bit of an inferiority complex?
One of the guys I worked with was a CBer. Soon after he was hired he came up to me and asked about the antenna on my truck and how much power I was running. I told him I was a Ham. His exact quote was &quot;Oh, one of those guys&quot; and &quot;I'm one of those guys you Hams love to hate&quot;.
I told him I didn't know him well enough to hate him but did tell him I do dislike the out and out filth on the CB bands, flaunting of the rules and regs, bootlegging, etc.... I then asked him how much power he was running. He turned and walked away.
If you are a CBer and follow the rules and regs more power to you. More and more it seems you are a dying breed.

First, I am a long-time ham, and think I got the first CB license (yes, you needed a license at that time) in my town. But lets go back to the beginning.

I think one reason that the early hams did not like the CB'ers was that they were given &quot;our&quot; 11-meter band. Hams don't like to loose frequencies.

The second reason may be that a ham license was difficult to get, code and all that, while the CB'ers could transmit with a no-brainer mail-in license.

Of course since then the CB band has gone downhill.

Just my 3-cents (inflation, you know). TOM K8ERV

[N6HBJ]

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Absolute nonsense!

I started out in CB in 1978 and as a teenager I had a blast. But after getting my ham ticket in 1982 I soon lost interest in CB because I got turned off by the CONSTANT jamming, swearing, music playing, child like hillbilly slang and behaviour, and more than anything, during the day a solid 9 s-units of pure hetrodyne noise.

We all know that some of this occurs on ham radio too but this is a very small percentage of our operators. Whilst on the CB band, it is a very high percentage.

Hams don't want CBers coming to amateur radio which may cause it to turn into CB-thats our greatest fear. But this fear is older than dirt itself. This issue is nothing new at all. It was present in the 1970s. If it hasn't happened yet after over 25 years, it aint gonna happen now.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (K8ERV @ May 19 2003,08:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First, I am a long-time ham, and think I got the first CB license (yes, you needed a license at that time) [...][/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I am not really familiar with the CB bands. Never been on 'em nor have I listened to 'em myself.

Here is my question: was there a time when the CB bands were in good shape-- i.e., the operators were mostly well-behaved and operated according to the rules of whatever license they had to obtain? If so, then when did the standard of behavior start to sink downwards on 11 meters? Was it after the license requirement was dropped?

I'm just wondering, not trying to start any debates over licensure of CBers or anything else.

[kd5icr]

I dont hate CB'ers. I have a few friends that still use them.I am working on getting one of them his tech ticket.I came home to the HAM ranks because of all the cussing and what not.In this part of noth Texas it got real bad and I do mean BAD!!!!.
To the point were people gat SHOT. I was no angle in CB
and it took a lof of effort and a little time to ditch the &quot;lingo&quot; but after a little time I found I like HAM talk.
As for CB people becoming hams come on we have plenty of room for every body,just remember we have rules and if you break them you can loose it as well as your gear. and lastly I cant wast my time hateing anything I have better thing to do.
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Bill

ODY: Don't think there is simple answer. I do think things went according to the FCC rules in the beginning, then I think they found that the FCC did/could not enforce the rules, and started putting up bigger antennas and more power. Also some of the foreign operators (like Mexico) ran really HIGH power and caused a lot of qrm.

Eventually the FCC realized they could not police the CB band and just gave up. No license or call letters required, tho they were still supposed to go by the antenna and power limits.

Then some of the CB'ers started operating in the frequencies between their band and the ham 10-meter band. I don't know what was assigned there, but such operation is illegal. Don't think the FCC enforces this either, may depend on the location.

When I moved to a valley in Colorado I tried to use CB to contact my wife while she was in town. Only 3 miles away, and nearly line-of-sight, but the qrm (mostly from Mexico) was so bad that contact was iffy. She finally got a call (KA8SNH) so now we use 2-meters and all is well.

I have not listened on the CB band for a long time and don't know (nor care) just what is going on. I'm sure it depends a lot on the location.

Hope this helps with the history as I know it. TOM K8ERV/KA8SNH.

[W5KRM]

Have to agree with some of the posts. What is the purpose of this topic and why is it assumed that &quot;all hams&quot; hate CBers?

Personally, I don't appreciate what some amateurs do on the bands to provide a negative image to the public at large. Along the same lines, I don't appreciate what some CBers have done to hurt amateur radio by somes' illegal equipment, illegal operation, poorly constructed equipment, etc., that have brought on more deed restrictions and convenants as a result.

Most communities are against outdoor antennas, not because of the amateur population, but largely in part due to the proliferation of CBers in the 70's and early 80's with their quads, moon-rakers, etc., attached to illegal amplifiers, attached to harmonic prone equipment.

Most RFI complaints if you go and look back are the result of the CB craze. We are all now paying a heavy price for their non-technical competency and illegal habits (albeit, not all were that way).

To address your initial post however, I for one, don't hate CBers, just the illegal ones just as I don't have any patience for illegal loud mouth alligators on 75 and 20 meters.

Have no idea what the end result of this post topic is suppose to accomplish, but I suspect a venting session.

[w8ob]

ODY yes there was a time when the CB band was used as intended. I used to monitor it a bit back in 1964. You used to hear stations calling each other and using callsigns, some back then began with 18Q and 19Q. Most all stations observed the 5 min rule. There was skip from time to time but you heard very few stations working each other via that mode. I gathered by listening to a few stations most had a God's fear of the FCC. Move forward to 1970 when I installed a CB radio in my vehicle. First thought was they got to be kidding, the radio was removed pronto. Yes the Hams were not happy about losing 11 M and the fact that licenses were mail order cracker jack box style didn't help either.

[N5LRZ]

Why are amateurs superior...

Lets do a quick fact check.

Item A-testing:
CB..... No testing required.
Ham.. Written testing required with a question pool numbering in the hundreds with the questions getting harder.

Item B-band use:
CB.....1 band
Ham.. 10, 15, 20, 40, 80, 160, pluse the two new HF bands, plus bands in VHF and UHF freqs.

Item C-power authorized:
CB..... 4/12 watts legal
Ham.. Unless restricted due to shared use, 1500 watts PEP.

Item D-radios:
CB..... Only low powr type accepted radios are permitted.
Ham.. Within powr output restrictions ham radios are not type accepted and in general can be of any type.

Item E-antennas
CB..... Limited to 20 ft above supporting object or 60 feet.
Ham.. Heith limited to 200 feet or 100 times higher than CB antennas/if you can afford the tower and its errectio of course.

Item F-authorized talking distance permitted.
CB..... CBers can talk legally only a little over 200 miles.
Ham.. The world is your oyster.

This is why Amateur is superior. The facts scream superiority and trust. CB is not called the Childrens Band without reason. CB is miniature ham with training wheels. Ham radio is the SUV.

RArceneaux
N5LRZ

[N7DM]

HA !

They ripped off MY band..that's why........

I used to work &quot;26.96 to 27.23 &quot;

DM

[K9STH]

RA:

Amateurs are NOT limited to antenna heights below 200 feet. It is just that if you go 200 feet or higher that you have to go through the notification and approval procedures of both the FCC and FAA, have to properly light the tower, etc.

Thus, the vast majority of amateurs do restrict their antenna heights to under 200 feet. But, there is no law that says they cannot go over 200 feet, it is just all the additional &quot;paperwork&quot;, lighting, etc., that is involved that makes it very inconvenient for the higher levels.

Glen, K9STH

[KC8QMU]

CB is antiquated. Lets face it, you give somebody a 4 watt radio on 27 Mhz. and tell them that it is illegal for them to communicate over 155 mi. away. Under halfway ideal conditions, this is going to happen without them even trying. It was devised in a time when transistorized electronics were fairly new, and there wasn't the technology to mass produce vhf/uhf equipment at a reasonable price. The principal that cb is supposed to work on is good, but when the FCC washed its hands of it, chaos reigned, and today it is pretty much of a waste. Who would want to use something for communications with their wife, girlfriend, mistress, etc. if in the middle of your conversation she has to listen to some low-life curse and make lewd comments at her. I started out in cb, like many others out here, whether they'll admit it or not. There were many good ops that I used to enjoy chatting with, but with no licensing or regulation you are bound to attract low-lifes. Of course I have also heard them on the ham bands as well, but just not in the volume of cb. The crap on cb just gets old, and thats why I left it. Imagine my surprise when I ran into some of the people from cb that i enjoyed chatting with on 2m simplex one night! There is no comparison between Ham radio and chicken band, and once &quot;The Riddler&quot; finds this out, he probably will stuff his cb in the closet. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[N5LRZ]

Re Moderator...

Thanks for the info. I was aware that there was a height adjustment for proximity to airports and restrictions in historic sites. I was not aware of the adjustments going the other direction though.

I will have to look into this. Not that I am going to put up a 200 ft plus tower. With my luck every lightning bolt for the next 100 years will hit it, birds in masses will run into it banging their heads, and of course an eagle will nest on the antenna at the top and refuse to move making the forestry service declare my antenna null and void. Did I mention that it seems that I have a black cloud following me? ;-)

R Arceneaux
N5LRZ

[K9STH]

The height restrictions concerning an airport are different between those airports that have a runway length up to 2499 feet and those that have a runway length 2500 feet or over. For those with runways of less than 2499 feet it is a ratio of 1:50 (that is 1 foot above ground for every 50 feet from the runway) and for those 2500 feet or over it is 1:100 (1 foot above ground for every 100 feet from the runway). Of course there are exceptions for natural items shielding the tower, etc. The restrictions stop when the tower height hits 200 feet. You are allowed an antenna height of 20 feet over an existing building (not tower, pole, or other antenna structure) no matter how it fits into the 1:50 or 1:100 scheme. The same thing goes for antennas on buildings that are above 200 feet above ground. However, those buildings should already be lighted so it doesn't matter about the antenna being 20 feet above them.

For historical districts, there are actually relatively few that are federal, most are of some local restriction (almost a CC&amp;R). There are restrictions for sites in federal monuments, parks, etc., that are administered on an individual basis.

The same tower restrictions apply to broadcast, land mobile (&quot;two-way&quot;), and other services. They are outlined in CFR 47 as well as in various FAA regulations.

Glen, K9STH

[KD7LDH]

I like CB somtimes.... Sometimes the people in the HAM bands are jerks and Sometimes the people on CB are jerks it aint the service or the education it is the person.... Oh yeah ONE OF MY ELMERS IS A CBer....\

And I just went on Ebay and bought a CB for $20.... Now that is a steal for radio gear (especially for me considering it will be used for antenna expiriments and some good talkin'http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif....


Peace in The Middle East
Peace on Freq


-KD7LDH

[KC7ATO]

I am pleased to see &quot;The Dead Horse Flogging Society&quot; is still holding discussions about CB. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[K6UEY]

Tune in next week for the next episode of Know Code/ No code.
You would think all this time spent flogging a dead horse could be spent in study for the upgrade, to find out what Ham Radio is really about, then they would be in a postion to at least make an informed comment. #
ENJOY!!! It is later than you think...... # 73, # ORV
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[K6UEY]

There is NOTHING more convincing than a typical example to prove a point !!!
Back to 2 meter Ham Radio....... # #73, # ORV
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[k5xit]

What is your point? garbage is garbage!

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[kd7eze]

ERV--

Your statement:I think one reason that the early hams did not like the CB'ers was that they were given &quot;our&quot; 11-meter band. Hams don't like to loose frequencies.
This is false. 11 meters was never a ham band http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[K9STH]

EZE:

From 1951 until the establishment of the Class &quot;D&quot; Citizen's Radio Service in late 1957, the 27 MHz (or 11 meter) band WAS a legitimate amateur radio band. This was allowed by international treaty with amateur radio being secondary (as it is on a number of the UHF and higher frequency bands). In the case of 11 meters, the primary use was to be land-mobile with amateur radio secondary. When the Class &quot;D&quot; Citizen's Radio Service (&quot;CB&quot; to the masses) was established, it came under the heading of land-mobile. At that time authorization for amateur radio use was withdrawn.

Why do you think that a lot of the older amateur equipment has the 11 meter band indicated on it, and, in the case of VFO equipment the 27 MHz band is there? The Heath DX-100 transmitter and the VF-1 VFO both have 11 meters on them. The Johnson 122 VFO for the Viking I and Viking II has 27 MHz on it. The Johnson Valiant, Ranger (not the Ranger II), 500, and other Johnson equipment has 27 MHz on the VFO. WRL has 11 meters on the 755 and 755A VFOs. Also on the Globe King and Globe Champion transmitters, 11 meters is there. Same thing for other manufacturers. All had the 11 meter band on them since it WAS an amateur radio band.

11 meters WAS an amateur band during most of the 1950s. In other countries, amateur allocations were not removed until as late as the mid-1960s.

Glen, K9STH

[N0PU]

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Your statement:I think one reason that the early hams did not like the CB'ers was that they were given &quot;our&quot; 11-meter band. Hams don't like to loose frequencies.
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EZE:

For the hundreth time...
11 meters was a Ham Band... !!!!

1954 ARRL Handbook, page 14
&quot;11 m. 26.960-27.230 - A0,A1,A2,A3,A4,FM&quot;

I am so tired of this rumor strutting around...
It was a shared band, but it was still Ham!
As I remember it, it was shared with medical equipment of the time...

And turning it over to Class D ops was the dumbest thing the FCC ever did... There was another plan to use something around 440 Mhz instead for CB and it wasn't done because the manufacturers cried and belly-ached that they didn't have the technology to build at that freq at a cost the consumer could afford.... and conned the FCC into delivering up 11 meters 'cause the Hams didn't need it...

So we got screwed and in the end the whole world got screwed... a band has been destroyed... and it would take 20 years to get it back in control again.... and the nmanufacturers couldn't care less... They are now trying to do the same thing to 10 and 12 meters WITHOUT the approval of the FCC... and they are getting away with it...

[WA2ZDY]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kd7eze @ May 25 2003,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ERV--

Your statement:I think one reason that the early hams did not like the CB'ers was that they were given &quot;our&quot; 11-meter band. Hams don't like to loose frequencies.
#This is false. 11 meters was never a ham band # ;)[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
I believe you made this statement once before and were corrected. (If it wasn't you, I apologise.) Get the facts straight, please.

[kc9jqm]

4 years later and nothing has changed

[W4INF]

KNOW CODE!
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[KD4IFB]

Quote[/b] (ka8ncr @ May 18 2003,19:36)]I don't hate CB'ers. One of the smartest people I know is a dedicated CB'er with zero intentions of becoming an amateur radio operator.

However, he stays within the rules of the CB service and operates cleanly.

What's starting to get annoying though are recuring discussions of amateur vs cb. And that's why I'm now excusing myself from this thread.
And what gets me is, that there are good and bad on both sides of the fence! And alot of hams down grade Cber as a whole regardless..Ive never heard a whole lot out of Cbers about Hams! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif As a matter of fact years ago the operating practice on ssb 11 mts. was to me just as proffessional as I hear it on 90% of the airwaves now on Ham... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif As though they were trying to follow by example of the Hams..Oh well! If it doesnt bother you, Its a neutral subject! If it does, well then you get over it! Because Crying about he did this, I did that, is Just really for amusement only. And the one crying about it is the star of the show! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[ky5u]

You replied to a 4 year old post and the guy you replied to no longer posts here.

[ai4ep]

..this must be " bring up old threads " week.

Just pay attention to the date of the previous post is all that is required.

nothing that a simple old man from Alabama can not figure out.

You can too.... # # #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[KI4ODO]

Maybe it's because hams take the steps to do this legally, and if we so much as fart loud enough to activate our VOX, we may get a letter from the FCC. But Joe CB'er down the street can run a bazillion nasty watts, interfering with everything from phones to radios, TVs etc with his dirty signal and never gets noticed. This can cause a lot of animosity. Plus the negative perspective people have of antennas are largely due to CB'ers and their nasty wattage. Many however don't know the difference, and think they are all CB's or all ham radios. That pisses hams off bad.

[K4KWH]

k3sam said:

(What I am wondering is why you posted this. #Are you also a CB'er, and are you being persecuted. #Hope not. #I have absolutely nothing against CB'ers at all, or people that dress funny, drink beer, drive pink Ramblers, etc...)
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I only "hate" people that drive Nashes or lime-green Studebakers !~

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J

[KC4RAN]

2003 people.... 2003

[KD7ZRT]

Just another manifestation of the ingroup/outgroup social identity paradigm.

[nq6v]

C.B. has it's place. I have noticed as a teen, in every square mile, there were about a dozen base stations where people sat on one channel, and that is where you could find them if they were home. Some were high school kids, geeky, some were childish adults, some elmer types, and some were the center of the C.B. sociol circle of the one square mile area. Some of those had electronic shops open to persons in the area, some were druggie havens. I noticed the persons use of the radio was clickish, say the druggies knew of the geeks, but there were few crossovers.

In some of the small towns I have been in, they ran high towers, illegal power and had a larger sociol area. In said small town, you had more of a cross section, but a persons status in the community dictated their status on the channel. There were few elder types, dedicated to the study of electronics. This was the beginning of the &quot;craze&quot;' about when I dropped out.

In both cases, you heard little foul language on the air, but you did have fights, now and then, for you had several types of personalities all on the same channe. Put the same personalities in a room without radio, and you still had fights.

By and large, the typical C.B. user then and now were lower and middle class economically, with town consol members, local cops and firemen, trucker and working class, semi literate and illeterate and few highly literate and upper class financially.Very few persons could be called smart, only average for what populated the band.

Now, let us look at ham radio.
Code or no code, readilly available test question answers or not(When the FCC controlled the testing, when you move up to the ham band,your personal conduct is expected to improve. If you do not show intelligence in your conversations, the only ones who will talk to you are those like you, or those feeling sorry for you. This is worst on 2 meters.I joined a club where some members were cops, and said cops hated me for my presence, not because I behaved badly, but because they did, and wished me gone. Well, after a time, with troops rallied against me, I was gone, but so were they, for when they wet their wistle on me, they attacked aferican american members, a jewish member, and spied on democtats active in local politics. Then because of those shenagins, guest astronauts and engineers and clebs were advised to disassociat with the club. The ruling members dropped out, and the club survived but with just hams, and no special members and guests. And the cops were run off and I was reinvited . When you have C.B., you have lower end rabble. When you have Ham you get higher end rabble. Personalities do not change, just sofication of acts.Go to a gated community. You have exactly what you have in a getto. Just more refined.

Ham radio is champaign to C.B. beer. And scum is scum, wherever you may find it.

C.B. operators are just less refined, less educated, have fewer oppertunities, and poorer folk. But amoung them are persons of high character, just like ham radio calles itself but falls short miserably.
, because economic and education are not filters of a persons character. It is just presented so.

[ka5piu]

Hello.

11 meters is still shared with LMR and the military.
27.255 MHz is a class C, R/C frequency, as well as CB channel 23, as well as a military frequency, and an aviation frequency, and a marine channel.
I would like it to also be a channel for use by Amateur Radio operators in the US.
Note the word channel.
Antenna height, yes, a CB station is limited by height, 20 feet above a 1260 foot building is 1280 feet above ground.
My CB station in Houston is atop the CoastalBanc building.
The antenna proper, the radiating surface, is a 5/8th wave, but this is a dipole, within the rules.
I also use 10 meters on the same antenna with a switched coil, the alternate is 28.385 MHz but another transmitter.
The combiner is so tight that I can receive a signal on 28.385 MHz and transmit on 11 meters at the same time.
Nothing like a set of 6 foot cans. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But, why bother with things like 26.620 MHz, 27.255 MHz, and 28.385 MHz ?
Simple, interoperability.
I can easily make most SINCGARS radios go to these frequencies by overriding the band limits.
All marine and aviation HF radios cover these frequencies.
And, 27.255 is a CB channel, so communications with truckers is always an option, although in an actual emergency all frequencies are open.
Does this make me a CB'er? yes, as except for that one channel, a radio must be FCC type accepted for the CB service, or, an exemption, to allow a CEPT radio to be used in the US.
And, depending on the class of service, 27.255 may be limited to 4 watts, 95.410.
Or 25 watts, 95.210.
Or 100/400 watts, 87.131.
Or 3 kW/8 kW, 80.250.
Or, in the case of some military stations, 30 kW, and that is only due to the limits of the output of the transmitter.
What would happen if somebody were to crank in 27.255 into the transmitter at Medina base? nothing.
This, is, after all, a military frequency.
So, what is it? it is anything but Amateur Radio.
Could hams and 5 other radio services share some frequencies? why not.
This would end the argument of who 11 meters belongs to, at that point it would belong to everybody.
I would limit use below 27.255 to AM, and no more than 25 watts of power.
Above 27.255 I would like to see 250 watts AM or legal limit other modes.
And, if you think 25 watts AM sounds like not much, convert it to PEP.
Yes, I do feel that with a bit of effort we can bury this hatchet once and for all.

[wa8rti]

Quote[/b] (Guest @ May 19 2003,10:04)]Of course since then the CB band has gone downhill.
Unfortunately so has ham radio.

[m0dcd]

Why denigrate them? Over in G-land they are a dying breed.
Since it was made legal in the UK it's been steadily going downhill and there's no need to get a licence for it any more. Not that many ever bothered over here in any case.
A lot of the new hams in the 80's came off CB and onto real radio, a lot of G1's and G7's first tried CB and then decided that they could do with something more useful, relatively idiot free, and where you need not reach for the Profanasaurus on every over. Now there are a number of truckers who sport M3 calls who've found 2m and repeaters, as well as those housebound.
Be careful what you say, the next new ham you here may have escaped to these new pastures!