Give a chicken your sins. [Archive]

W4HAY

09-22-2007, 01:59 PM

I see no derision here. Just another human interest story.

If a sweet little ol' Jewish grandmother makes soup out of that chicken that's as good as the one we grew up across the street from could make, I'd say the poor were getting a pretty good deal!

They joke about chicken soup being "Jewish Penicillin", but her stuff was good -- very good! Whenever any the neighborhood kids would get sick, she'd be right there with a mason jar full of it. We knew that when we recovered to the point that we'd have a ravenous appetite, that jar would be waiting on us. Almost made it worth getting sick. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Except for that family, the neighborhood was 'Southern Protestant', and they were 'one of us'. They got one of the first TV sets in town, and we kids would gather Saturday mornings to watch Howdy Doody. Our Dads would go over on Monday nights to watch the fights. They didn't eat beef or pork, but did have wine (our whole end of the state was dry). We'd sneak their kids hambergers and they'd sneak us sips of the Mogen David in return. I guess we're all gonna have a neighborhood reunion in Hell! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

WS2L

09-22-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Sep. 22 2007,01:17)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
One thing I want to check on.

In other threads other religions have been derided and criticised. Are there special rules for the Jewish faith? If not then all other religions should have the same protection, don't you think?

73

Brian G8ADD
Each thread and it's postings are dealt with on a case by case basis. If it is the opinion of the QRZ staff that a thread regarding any subject has turned south it will be dealt with.

G8ADD,

There are no special rules or exceptions for ANY religion Jewish or not. I was simply stating that if this thread falls out of line that it MAY be removed, this holds true for ALL threads and subjects on qrz. I do not play favorites to anyone or any subject, I simply follow the rules set out to me for my position on this site. I do on occasion make remarks like the one in this thread in other threads that are known to be of hot topics that bring out anger in some members. For example someone recently made a post about how proud he was to get his General ticket without having to take a code test. It even went as far as to say that he waited for the rules to be changed in order to get his license. Anyone who frequents qrz knows that this is a hot topic among many members and is apt to bring out some very negative comments. I made a simple post stating to the effect to the members to "Keep their flame throwers on low". I often make comments like this in subjects that I think will be problematic but it does not matter who posted the message or what the topic is. If in my experience I believe that there will be trouble in a thread I make these simple comments as a reminder to think before hitting "Add Reply".

W3MIV

09-22-2007, 02:54 PM

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,08:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I find Brian's question one of great validity. We see daily derisions of Christian and Islamic belief, and now that you have consulted this minyan of one at home, you threaten to pull the thread. That is a blatant and wholly unsupportable discrimination, in my view.

If this thread is to be shut down due to mockery of Jewish beliefs, then you must follow through and seek out each and every occurrence of any mockery of all other creeds.

As I have posted time and again, if moderation is to have any value, it must be applied evenly and without any prejudicial intents. Your threat is blatantly biased.

(Edited to remove a Scottish burr in my "threat.")

G8ADD

09-22-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,07:30)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Sep. 22 2007,01:17)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
One thing I want to check on.

In other threads other religions have been derided and criticised. Are there special rules for the Jewish faith? If not then all other religions should have the same protection, don't you think?

73

Brian G8ADD
Each thread and it's postings are dealt with on a case by case basis. If it is the opinion of the QRZ staff that a thread regarding any subject has turned south it will be dealt with.

G8ADD,

There are no special rules or exceptions for ANY religion Jewish or not. I was simply stating that if this thread falls out of line that it MAY be removed, this holds true for ALL threads and subjects on qrz. I do not play favorites to anyone or any subject, I simply follow the rules set out to me for my position on this site. I do on occasion make remarks like the one in this thread in other threads that are known to be of hot topics that bring out anger in some members. For example someone recently made a post about how proud he was to get his General ticket without having to take a code test. It even went as far as to say that he waited for the rules to be changed in order to get his license. Anyone who frequents qrz knows that this is a hot topic among many members and is apt to bring out some very negative comments. I made a simple post stating to the effect to the members to "Keep their flame throwers on low". I often make comments like this in subjects that I think will be problematic but it does not matter who posted the message or what the topic is. If in my experience I believe that there will be trouble in a thread I make these simple comments as a reminder to think before hitting "Add Reply".
Thanks Dave.

I do take your point, though on occasions I have thought that the hostility shown to some religions passed the line but went unchecked.

IMHO a little gentle teasing is harmless, but you do have to be careful. I remember turning one devout catholic almost apoplectic by remarking that takng the host (I think that is the terminology) smacked of ritual cannibalism.

73

Brian G8ADD

WF7A

09-22-2007, 03:36 PM

I don't understand where we're running afowl with the practice. I don't want to ruffle any feathers, let alone hatch any antisemitism or egg others on, but it's just a chicken that'll soon be a meal. I'm sure it doesn't feel burdened with humans' sins before slaughter time.

K7KBN

09-22-2007, 03:45 PM

Some people seem to need to develop a thicker shell so they can take a yolk. Too much stress can lead to a peck of trouble. Beak kind to chickens. Don't egg us on.

kq9j

09-22-2007, 04:00 PM

Quote[/b] (k7kbn @ Sep. 22 2007,08:45)]Some people seem to need to develop a thicker shell so they can take a yolk. Too much stress can lead to a peck of trouble. Beak kind to chickens. Don't egg us on.
Some people also need to get out more because they have been cooped up too long.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

w2amr

09-22-2007, 04:12 PM

" Religious Jews symbolically transfer their sins for the year to the chicken which is later slaughtered and given to the poor"

Oh sure, like poor people don't have enough trouble, now they are going to ingest the sins of the affluent.
Shameful!

w2amr

09-22-2007, 05:51 PM

Here we see a poor stricken soul attempting to purge his body of this unwanted sin ,using the only method he knows .
http://media5.dropshots.com/photos/88780/20030504/132857.jpg

K5RCD

09-22-2007, 06:47 PM

There is an old (allegedly still in practice today in certain circles) Welsh custom called "Sin Eating" whereby the sins of a dying or dead person are assumed by a surrogate. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin-Eater

My Great Grandma was from Wales and she passed down stories about the tradition. The story is that some of my forefathers were involved in the custom - most likely as the passing sinner. There has been a tradition of a certain amount of sinning in my family tree. Of course I have done my part toward upholding family tradition. (The sinning part, not the eating part) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It sounds kinda weird, but what the hay, if I could get a ticket to heaven by hiring some slug to assume my sins, I would probably go for it. - #If the cost was reasonable.
Of course it would probably be better if I just repent and straighten up and fly right.

I don't think I could EVER be involved as the sin EATER though, no matter the price. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

n2nh

09-22-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote[/b] (kq9j @ Sep. 22 2007,09:34)]Does having all those sins in there affect the taste of the chicken?
I doubt if it's Kosher.
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n2nh

09-22-2007, 06:57 PM

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 22 2007,12:12)]" Religious Jews symbolically transfer their sins for the year to the chicken which is later slaughtered and given to the poor"

Oh sure, like poor people don't have enough trouble, now they are going to ingest the sins of the affluent.
Shameful!
Sounds a lot like carbon credits to me... only with sins.

I'm wondering if that's the general idea?

N3ATS

09-22-2007, 07:29 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,09:54)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,08:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I find Brian's question one of great validity. We see daily derisions of Christian and Islamic belief, and now that you have consulted this minyan of one at home, you threaten to pull the thread. That is a blatant and wholly unsupportable discrimination, in my view.

If this thread is to be shut down due to mockery of Jewish beliefs, then you must follow through and seek out each and every occurrence of any mockery of all other creeds.

As I have posted time and again, if moderation is to have any value, it must be applied evenly and without any prejudicial intents. Your threat is blatantly biased.

(Edited to remove a Scottish burr in my "threat.")
Albert,

Though you are the last person I thought I would hear that from, I must admit. You're a stand-up guy.

I have a new found respect for you sir. Thanks.

I had a post of mine moderated because I used the word "Jew". The context wasn't at all used maliciously or with prejudice, though I found it to be hypocritical due to the Christian and Muslim bashing that is allowed to go on here.

WS2L

09-22-2007, 08:43 PM

Ok, we are getting way off topic here. I made a simple statement, one that I have made in the past on threads of all kinds. When I find a thread over the line I take whatever action is appropriate. I do not have the time to browse the forums as much as I would like due to taking care of other issues on the website. It does not matter what the thread is about, if it goes over the line I have to take action. As I said I do not always get to these threads first as other moderators get to them first.

I will make my point clear.

I have NO problem with religious threads, I don't have problems with political threads, I don't have problems with any threads that are not of bad taste. This website has just over 292,000 registered members from all walks of life, different religions, beliefs, ect. I have to watch out for the good of everyone which is no easy task. We all know that threads regarding code/no code, religion, politics, the war on terrorism are hot and touchy subjects and are prone to deteriorate sometimes quickly. I did not threaten to close the thread I simply made a statement that if it becomes a problem that it MAY have to be closed.

With that said please get back on the original subject which is religion and not worry about a simple comment that I often make in threads.

Thank you

al2n

09-22-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]Ok, we are getting way off topic here. I made a simple statement, one that I have made in the past on threads of all kinds. When I find a thread over the line I take whatever action is appropriate. I do not have the time to browse the forums as much as I would like due to taking care of other issues on the website. It does not matter what the thread is about, if it goes over the line I have to take action. As I said I do not always get to these threads first as other moderators get to them first.

I will make my point clear.

I have NO problem with religious threads, I don't have problems with political threads, I don't have problems with any threads that are not of bad taste. This website has just over 292,000 registered members from all walks of life, different religions, beliefs, ect. I have to watch out for the good of everyone which is no easy task. We all know that threads regarding code/no code, religion, politics, the war on terrorism are hot and touchy subjects and are prone to deteriorate sometimes quickly. I did not threaten to close the thread I simply made a statement that if it becomes a problem that it MAY have to be closed.

With that said please get back on the original subject which is religion and not worry about a simple comment that I often make in threads.

Thank you
Dave,

I think what some are getting at is that while you may take such action on threads that are getting hateful and out of hand, there are other moderators that will not take any such action unless the subject personally offends them.

What personally offends moderator A will not be an issue with moderator B. On the same token, I have even seen moderator A get after one person while having no issue with another person posting the same thing.

It is not the rules that bother anyone. It is the manner in which they are enforced.

WS2L

09-22-2007, 09:11 PM

Quote[/b] (al2n @ Sep. 22 2007,09:55)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]Ok, we are getting way off topic here. I made a simple statement, one that I have made in the past on threads of all kinds. When I find a thread over the line I take whatever action is appropriate. I do not have the time to browse the forums as much as I would like due to taking care of other issues on the website. It does not matter what the thread is about, if it goes over the line I have to take action. As I said I do not always get to these threads first as other moderators get to them first.

I will make my point clear.

I have NO problem with religious threads, I don't have problems with political threads, I don't have problems with any threads that are not of bad taste. This website has just over 292,000 registered members from all walks of life, different religions, beliefs, ect. I have to watch out for the good of everyone which is no easy task. We all know that threads regarding code/no code, religion, politics, the war on terrorism are hot and touchy subjects and are prone to deteriorate sometimes quickly. I did not threaten to close the thread I simply made a statement that if it becomes a problem that it MAY have to be closed.

With that said please get back on the original subject which is religion and not worry about a simple comment that I often make in threads.

Thank you
Dave,

I think what some are getting at is that while you may take such action on threads that are getting hateful and out of hand, there are other moderators that will not take any such action unless the subject personally offends them.

What personally offends moderator A will not be an issue with moderator B. On the same token, I have even seen moderator A get after one person while having no issue with another person posting the same thing.

It is not the rules that bother anyone. It is the manner in which they are enforced.
Point well taken.

I can promise this.

1) I don't look at what offends me but what offends the membership in general. I do my best to not let my own feelings interrupt my thinking process when dealing with a problem.
2) I don't play favorites.
3) If I shut down a thread, edit a post, ect you will receive a PM with the reasons why.
4) I make no promises as to what will happen if your in hot water over something.
5) I do my best to be fair and impartial when dealing with topics and/or members.

Thats just the way I do things, I am always very up front. You can always expect that I won't deviate from this and will not do things differently from day to day.

N3ATS

09-22-2007, 09:14 PM

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,07:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
Dave,

I respect you as a moderator because you are one of the few who is not afraid to explain yourself. I don't mean any disrespect to you, but this is how I took it...

You DID say if anyone makes fun of the subject it will be pulled. You did not say that it would be pulled if it got out of hand or if a flame war started. You seemed to be more concerned about people ridiculing the tradition rather than personal attacks between members.

You didn't make one peep in the Ramadan thread (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=17;t=168236) even though many posters were actively making fun of the holiday and Islam.

So, like I said, no disrespect Dave, but it's obvious that you're a bit biased in favor of Judiasm. Which is fine, if that's your thing. Just don't expect not to be called out on it when it becomes a part of your moderating duties.

al2i

09-22-2007, 09:27 PM

Dave is an intelligent, impartial moderator whom I have come to trust, so I am particularly saddened to see Dave put somewhat on the defensive here.

There is a lack of even-moderation at times, but it is human nature to see the guy you don't agree with as being more at fault than the guy you do. WS2L overcomes this as well as anyone humanly can.

Don't quit Dave!

kc2orw

09-22-2007, 09:37 PM

Ah you guys are just pickin on Dave, bums... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

W3MIV

09-22-2007, 09:43 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 22 2007,17:27)]Dave is an intelligent, impartial moderator whom I have come to trust, so I am particularly saddened to see Dave put somewhat on the defensive here. #

There is a lack of even-moderation at times, but it is human nature to see the guy you don't agree with as being more at fault than the guy you do. #WS2L overcomes this as well as anyone humanly can. #

Don't quit Dave!
No one has asked for any moderator to quit. That for which has been prayed is uniformity in the road rules. What's sauce for the goose should... you get the message.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

It is wrong to lock threads based on a premonition as to what may be posted "next," so to say. That has been done on a number of occasions, though I happily concede not by WS2L.

It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate a presumptive foreclosure on the basis of casting dried chicken bones across the keyboard and seeking a sign in them that would augur the next post.

If the line is crossed, execute. Swiftly and surely. But only do so uniformly, disciplining any and all miscreants evenly.

Thus far the words of today's sermonette. Finis.

al2i

09-22-2007, 10:06 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate...
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/w3mivaward2007.jpg

w2amr

09-22-2007, 10:16 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 22 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate...
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/w3mivaward2007.jpg
http://www.qwantz.com/fanart/bigwords.jpg

G8ADD

09-22-2007, 11:08 PM

W3MIV

09-22-2007, 11:18 PM

Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Sep. 22 2007,19:08)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 22 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate...
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/w3mivaward2007.jpg
Ooh NICE!

Can I have one of those?

Please?

Pretty please with hearts and flowers?

73

Brian G8ADD
Please, take mine. It is not often that I have an opportunity to avail myself so easily of a eleemosynary opportunity such as this.

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kc2orw

09-22-2007, 11:25 PM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 22 2007,18:06)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate...
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/w3mivaward2007.jpg
Paint.Net to the rescue? nice lettering http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

G8ADD

09-22-2007, 11:39 PM

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,16:18)]Quote[/b] (G8ADD @ Sep. 22 2007,19:08)]Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 22 2007,15:06)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 22 2007,13:43)]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate...
http://www.davemcgraw.com/Images/w3mivaward2007.jpg
Ooh NICE!

Can I have one of those?

Please?

Pretty please with hearts and flowers?

73

Brian G8ADD
Please, take mine. It is not often that I have an opportunity to avail myself so easily of a eleemosynary opportunity such as this.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
It is with infinite gratitude that I avail myself of your magnificently benevolent offer......Golly, it's working already!!

73

Brian G8ADD

wv6z

09-23-2007, 12:08 AM

Quote[/b] (k5rcd @ Sep. 21 2007,12:47)]There is an old (allegedly still in practice today in certain circles) Welsh custom called "Sin Eating" whereby the sins of a dying or dead person are assumed by a surrogate. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif #See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin-Eater

My Great Grandma was from Wales and she passed down stories about the tradition. The story is that some of my forefathers were involved in the custom - most likely as the passing sinner. There has been a tradition of a certain amount of sinning in my family tree. Of course I have done my part toward upholding family tradition. (The sinning part, not the eating part) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

It sounds kinda weird, but what the hay, if I could get a ticket to heaven by hiring some slug to assume my sins, I would probably go for it. - #If the cost was reasonable.
Of course it would probably be better if I just repent and straighten up and fly right.

I don't think I could EVER be involved as the sin EATER though, no matter the price. # http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
This is true.

Gotta run though, for some reason I have just gotten a serious craving for KFC.

wv6z

09-23-2007, 12:11 AM

Quote[/b] (al2i @ Sep. 21 2007,15:27)]Dave is an intelligent, impartial moderator whom I have come to trust, so I am particularly saddened to see Dave put somewhat on the defensive here. #

There is a lack of even-moderation at times, but it is human nature to see the guy you don't agree with as being more at fault than the guy you do. #WS2L overcomes this as well as anyone humanly can. #

Don't quit Dave!
"Hear Hear"

al2n

09-23-2007, 01:51 AM

Quote[/b] ]Point well taken.

I can promise this.

1) I don't look at what offends me but what offends the membership in general. I do my best to not let my own feelings interrupt my thinking process when dealing with a problem.
2) I don't play favorites.
3) If I shut down a thread, edit a post, ect you will receive a PM with the reasons why.
4) I make no promises as to what will happen if your in hot water over something.
5) I do my best to be fair and impartial when dealing with topics and/or members.

Thats just the way I do things, I am always very up front. You can always expect that I won't deviate from this and will not do things differently from day to day.

Dave, you are the only moderator around here some of us trust. We respect you and the way in which you conduct business.

The simple fact that you communicate speaks volumes to your character. Wish there were more like you.

w4rot

09-23-2007, 02:11 AM

Quote[/b] ]It is also wrong to suffer a series of topics on credal derisions, a favorite theme hereabouts, only to adumbrate a presumptive foreclosure on the basis of casting dried chicken bones across the keyboard and seeking a sign in them that would augur the next post.

Go for it man.
Looked up adumbrate and that was like working a new country. Sweet.
rot

W1GUH

09-23-2007, 02:55 AM

Anyone else catch the typo at the link?

Quote[/b] ]Ultra-Orthodox Jewish chicken play with a chicken before the Kaparot ritual performed before Yom Kippur in Mea Shearim in Jerusalem, September 20, 2007.

WS2L

09-23-2007, 11:58 AM

Folks I appreciate the comments both positive and negative but I am NOT the subject of this thread, the chicken is the subject !

Please let's get back to the lonely chicken ! He needs our attention !

If you don't do it for me please think of the poor chicken http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

w2amr

09-23-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 23 2007,04:58)]Folks I appreciate the comments both positive and negative but I am NOT the subject of this thread, the chicken is the subject !

Please let's get back to the lonely chicken ! He needs our attention !
Too late, Like Elvis he died on the bowl.

n2ize

09-23-2007, 12:15 PM

Why should this thread be locked down ? If someone wants to give an opinion about a given religious or non religious practice pro or con then simply learn to deal with it.

To me the idea of passing sins onto a chicken is ludicrous superstition bordering on the absurd. But it's mild compared to other things I've heard of. Frankly I tend to think most religions are absurd.

n2ize

09-23-2007, 12:18 PM

kq9j

09-23-2007, 01:21 PM

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Sep. 23 2007,05:15)]Why should this thread be locked down ? If someone wants to give an opinion about a given religious or non religious practice pro or con then simply learn to deal with it.

To me the idea of passing sins onto a chicken is ludicrous superstition bordering on the absurd. But it's mild compared to other things I've heard of. Frankly I tend to think most religions are absurd.
I tend to agree with you. However, it was interesting a while back when a local grocery store advertised "Sinless Chicken Breasts - $1.89 a lb".
I tend to think that was a typo, though. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

WS2L

09-23-2007, 01:33 PM

When I first read it I thought it was a joke, never knew that this was a serious religious practice. Ya learn something new every day.

wa2dtw

09-23-2007, 01:48 PM

I find this thread grossly offensive.
Anti-semitism has now become politically correct.
And this IS anti-semitism pure and simple.

And I also object to Christian-bashing and Islam-bashing and Hindu-bashing and Buddhist-bashing.

Threads like this are inciteful.

Moderator- PLEASE pull it.

kq9j

09-23-2007, 02:13 PM

Wow..touchy, aren't we. This is not an anti-semitic thread. No one is promoting discrimination against, or persecution of, anyone no matter what their religious belief.

I think the responses on this have more than demonstrated that each brand of religious belief has its, well, peculiarities that, if you stand back and look at them with a logical eye, appear rather silly if you don't follow the beliefs of that particular religion.

Some of us think ALL these customs are rather silly. That doesn't mean we don't like you.

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KA8DKT

09-23-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote[/b] (wa2dtw @ Sep. 23 2007,09:48)]I find this thread grossly offensive.
Anti-semitism has now become politically correct.
And this IS anti-semitism pure and simple.

And I also object to Christian-bashing and Islam-bashing and Hindu-bashing and Buddhist-bashing.

Threads like this are inciteful.

Moderator- PLEASE pull it.
Why don't you just pray to make it disappear? Prayer works, right?

Personally I agree with kq9j. #If you are going to ascribe to silly stuff, then you have to take the ribbing you are going to get from those who don't ascribe to that silly stuff.

Judaism has as much silly stuff as any of the other religions. #What I like about Judaism, and what keeps me from making too much fun of it (it is a religion that believes in a magical god, after all), is that Jewish people are not trying to convert me. #The other two major monodeistic religions keep insisting that I believe in them and I must convert or 1) I'll be killed, or 2) I won't be "saved".

If there was a true religion, there would be only one religion.

-gary

n2nh

09-23-2007, 03:09 PM

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 23 2007,08:05)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 23 2007,04:58)]Folks I appreciate the comments both positive and negative but I am NOT the subject of this thread, the chicken is the subject !

Please let's get back to the lonely chicken ! He needs our attention !
Too late, Like Elvis he died on the bowl.
At least it wasn't a ham sandwich.
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wa2dtw

09-23-2007, 03:23 PM

Quote[/b] (kq9j @ Sep. 23 2007,07:13)]Wow..touchy, aren't we. This is not an anti-semitic thread. No one is promoting discrimination against, or persecution of, anyone no matter what their religious belief.

I think the responses on this have more than demonstrated that each brand of religious belief has its, well, peculiarities that, if you stand back and look at them with a logical eye, appear rather silly if you don't follow the beliefs of that particular religion.

Some of us think ALL these customs are rather silly. That doesn't mean we don't like you. #

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You are dead-wrong.
Exposing observant Jews to ridicule IS anti-semitism.

And BTW- it was particularly cowardly to start this thread on Yom Kippur, when observant Jews will not be using computers.

wa2dtw

09-23-2007, 03:26 PM

Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Sep. 23 2007,08:07)]Why don't you just pray to make it disappear? #Prayer works, right?
This remark is beyond contempt.

N3ATS

09-23-2007, 03:35 PM

And there it is. The anti-semitism card has been played.

Quote[/b] ]an·ti-Sem·i·tism (&#259;n't&#275;-s&#277;m'&#301;-t&#301;z'&#601;m, &#259;n't&#299;-)
n.
1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
2. Discrimination against Jews.

Who was being hostile or prejudiced? Who is being discriminated against? For crying out loud, this anti-semitism thing is getting real old.

KA8DKT

09-23-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote[/b] (wa2dtw @ Sep. 23 2007,11:26)]Quote[/b] (KA8DKT @ Sep. 23 2007,08:07)]Why don't you just pray to make it disappear? #Prayer works, right?
This remark is beyond contempt.
No, I don't think it is beyond contempt. #It is itself contemptuous.

-gary

w2amr

09-23-2007, 04:51 PM

Quote[/b] (wa2dtw @ Sep. 23 2007,08:23)]Quote[/b] (kq9j @ Sep. 23 2007,07:13)]Wow..touchy, aren't we. This is not an anti-semitic thread. No one is promoting discrimination against, or persecution of, anyone no matter what their religious belief.

I think the responses on this have more than demonstrated that each brand of religious belief has its, well, peculiarities that, if you stand back and look at them with a logical eye, appear rather silly if you don't follow the beliefs of that particular religion.

Some of us think ALL these customs are rather silly. That doesn't mean we don't like you. #

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You are dead-wrong.
Exposing observant Jews to ridicule IS anti-semitism.

And BTW- it was particularly cowardly to start this thread on Yom Kippur, when observant Jews will not be using computers.
Oh brother.

W5HTW

09-23-2007, 05:12 PM

What is yom kipper? I suspect it is something Jewish? I don't speak Hebrew, and, not being Jewish, I have no idea what that means. My calendar does not say anything about people being prohibited from using computers at any particular time of the year, not even at Christmas, when they should be stuffing their faces with Christmas Ham and playing with the new model railroad.

Really, I don't observe any religious holidays of any sort, except I do like the day off at Christmas and Thanksgiving. Expecting me or anyone to refrain from specific religious comments on religion-specific days is simply unreasonable. One would have to know intimate details about every religion on the planet to avoid such a "mistake."

As to the chicken, mine has flown the cross .. uh, coop.

Ed

wa2dtw

09-23-2007, 05:20 PM

Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Sep. 23 2007,08:35)]And there it is. #The anti-semitism card has been played. #

Quote[/b] ]an·ti-Sem·i·tism (&#259;n't&#275;-s&#277;m'&#301;-t&#301;z'&#601;m, &#259;n't&#299;-)
n.
# 1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
# 2. Discrimination against Jews.

Who was being hostile or prejudiced? #Who is being discriminated against? #For crying out loud, this anti-semitism thing is getting real old.
Yes. Over a thousand years old.

KA8DKT

09-23-2007, 05:34 PM

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ Sep. 23 2007,13:12)]What is yom kipper? #I suspect it is something Jewish? #I don't speak Hebrew, and, not being Jewish, I have no idea what that means. #My calendar does not say anything about people being prohibited from using computers at any particular time of the year, not even at Christmas, when they should be stuffing their faces with Christmas Ham and playing with the new model railroad.

Really, I don't observe any religious holidays of any sort, except I do like the day off at Christmas and Thanksgiving. #Expecting me or anyone to refrain from specific religious comments on religion-specific days is simply unreasonable. #One would have to know intimate details about every religion on the planet to avoid such a "mistake." #

As to the chicken, mine has flown the cross .. uh, coop.

Ed
Yom Kippur (pronounced yom kip-POOR) is the Jewish Day of Atonement, a day of atonement and repentence for sins committed during the previous year, marked by fasting for the day.

For observant Jewish people this is a High Holy Day. #On this day no one shall do any work...one is supposed to be contemplative and observant for the whole day (from sundown on the evening before to sundown on the day).

For the very observant, i.e., Orthodox and extreme Orthodox Jews, any Friday night and Saturday are Holy and no work shall be done. #Depending on how extremist one is, #turning on or off a light switch is "work" for the purposes of observing the Holy day. #Using a computer is certainly verboten...

This explanation is certainly over simpified... the process of Atonement and the High Holy days have considerably more meaning and background than I have taken the time to discuss, and have a lot more to them than chickens...

Googling Yom Kippur will yield a wealth of information for those who have an interest in learning about yet another religion...this one being the basis for both Christians and Islamics.

-gary

KA8DKT

09-23-2007, 05:38 PM

Quote[/b] (wa2dtw @ Sep. 23 2007,13:20)]Quote[/b] (N3ATS @ Sep. 23 2007,08:35)]And there it is. #The anti-semitism card has been played. #

Quote[/b] ]an·ti-Sem·i·tism (&#259;n't&#275;-s&#277;m'&#301;-t&#301;z'&#601;m, &#259;n't&#299;-)
n.
# 1. Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
# 2. Discrimination against Jews.

Who was being hostile or prejudiced? #Who is being discriminated against? #For crying out loud, this anti-semitism thing is getting real old.
Yes. #Over a thousand years old.
Really. Actually more like three or four thousand years old.

-gary

kc9kow

09-23-2007, 07:11 PM

Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 21 2007,06:22)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I had no intention of making fun of this thread. #I just thought it was #unfair for people to transfer their sins to a poor chicken who probably has never harmed anyone. #I shall report this abuse to PETA.
1. YOU madam, are a jackarse!

2. This thread is hateful and discriminatory!

3. PETA? These goofs have no power and have the public perception of being a magnet for obsessed mental cases who have no life, and have been labeled for obvious reason as an extremist group bent on causing mass harm and hysteria.

PETA has damaged thousands of dollars of store merchandise, and personal property of innocent bystanders for their "message" sake of not wearing or eating animal products. Their members have even committed serious acts of battery to force themselves on others.

Obsessed and mental if you ask me, and the public agrees. "I say NOW is the time for cow!" "Chicken, the other white meat!" "Coward...someone like you who has nothing better to do than go jew bashing!"

May all of the jewish faithful have a great holiday, and may you have a great new year!

ad4mg

09-23-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote[/b] (kc9kow @ Sep. 23 2007,15:11)]Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 21 2007,06:22)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I had no intention of making fun of this thread. I just thought it was unfair for people to transfer their sins to a poor chicken who probably has never harmed anyone. I shall report this abuse to PETA.
1. YOU madam, are a jackarse!

2. This thread is hateful and discriminatory!

3. PETA? These goofs have no power and have the public perception of being a magnet for obsessed mental cases who have no life, and have been labeled for obvious reason as an extremist group bent on causing mass harm and hysteria.

PETA has damaged thousands of dollars of store merchandise, and personal property of innocent bystanders for their "message" sake of not wearing or eating animal products. Their members have even committed serious acts of battery to force themselves on others.

Obsessed and mental if you ask me, and the public agrees. "I say NOW is the time for cow!" "Chicken, the other white meat!" "Coward...someone like you who has nothing better to do than go jew bashing!"

May all of the jewish faithful have a great holiday, and may you have a great new year!
You having a Kow there 'kow? That's quite a set of personal attacks there.

Doing a little self-righteous, hypocritical good book thumping?

I find your post hateful and discriminatory.

But I'm quite sure you're feeling all big headed now, after having given someone not considered by yourself as worthy, the "business".

And on Sunday, too. Shame on you for not keeping the faith.

W3MIV

09-23-2007, 07:45 PM

Quote[/b] (kc9kow @ Sep. 23 2007,15:11)]May all of the jewish faithful have a great holiday...
Yom Kippur is not a holiday of fun and games.

N3ATS

09-23-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote[/b] (kc9kow @ Sep. 23 2007,14:11)]"Coward...someone like you who has nothing better to do than go jew bashing!"
Are you Jewish?

w2amr

09-23-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Sep. 23 2007,12:19)]Quote[/b] (kc9kow @ Sep. 23 2007,15:11)]Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 21 2007,06:22)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I had no intention of making fun of this thread. #I just thought it was #unfair for people to transfer their sins to a poor chicken who probably has never harmed anyone. #I shall report this abuse to PETA.
1. YOU madam, are a jackarse!

2. This thread is hateful and discriminatory!

3. PETA? These goofs have no power and have the public perception of being a magnet for obsessed mental cases who have no life, and have been labeled for obvious reason as an extremist group bent on causing mass harm and hysteria.

PETA has damaged thousands of dollars of store merchandise, and personal property of innocent bystanders for their "message" sake of not wearing or eating animal products. Their members have even committed serious acts of battery to force themselves on others.

Obsessed and mental if you ask me, and the public agrees. "I say NOW is the time for cow!" "Chicken, the other white meat!" "Coward...someone like you who has nothing better to do than go jew bashing!"

May all of the jewish faithful have a great holiday, and may you have a great new year!
You having a Kow there 'kow? #That's quite a set of personal attacks there.

Doing a little self-righteous, hypocritical good book thumping?

I find your post hateful and discriminatory.

But I'm quite sure you're feeling all big headed now, after having given someone not considered by yourself as worthy, the "business".

And on Sunday, too. #Shame on you for not keeping the faith.
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w2amr

09-23-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote[/b] (kc9kow @ Sep. 23 2007,12:11)]Quote[/b] (w2amr @ Sep. 21 2007,06:22)]Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 22 2007,05:01)]According to the XYL (who is Jewish) this is a legit practice. If your intention is to make fun of this the thread will be pulled.
I had no intention of making fun of this thread. #I just thought it was #unfair for people to transfer their sins to a poor chicken who probably has never harmed anyone. #I shall report this abuse to PETA.
1. YOU madam, are a jackarse!

2. This thread is hateful and discriminatory!

3. PETA? These goofs have no power and have the public perception of being a magnet for obsessed mental cases who have no life, and have been labeled for obvious reason as an extremist group bent on causing mass harm and hysteria.

PETA has damaged thousands of dollars of store merchandise, and personal property of innocent bystanders for their "message" sake of not wearing or eating animal products. Their members have even committed serious acts of battery to force themselves on others.

Obsessed and mental if you ask me, and the public agrees. "I say NOW is the time for cow!" "Chicken, the other white meat!" "Coward...someone like you who has nothing better to do than go jew bashing!"

May all of the jewish faithful have a great holiday, and may you have a great new year!

Next time you should go shopping , see if you can pick up #sense of humor.
BTW, I loved the PETA rant, it made my day. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif