Moderation

[N6WK]

Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
I have to ask WHY ? I did no wrong. I posted No wrong.
The thread was about being threatened in emails from some people here on QRZ.
This particular person ( and his friends) have a history of threatening other users here on QRZ via Email. I am NOT the only one. I have been receiving private Emails from others that have had the same threats and harassments from these people I think it is time that Fred and the Moderators take the high road and punish these users that threaten others. I have the Emails to back up my accusations. To Lock the thread and edit the posts is NOT called for. Is the Secret Squirrel back ??
NO, These Email threats are NOT coming from Canada.
they are coming from jerks ( QRMers) right here in the USA

I will be MORE then happy to publish WHO they are and provide the Emails if needed. I am sure the others that have been threatened by these wanna be thugs will do the same if needed.

Don't be surprised if this Thread disappears also. the Secret Squirrel may be Back !!

Gordon
N6WK

[ka5piu]

Hello.

I have had no such trouble, so I can not relate.
The reason the thread was locked was concerns over where it was going.
QRZ is but a mom and pop operation, the last thing we need at this point is a legal issue.
Even if it is nothing more than to simply appear in court, that is too much.
Everybody has a day job, something that pays the bills.
People are aware of your plight, but the question now is, why did you not come forth to the QRZ powers to be?
If you feel that a moderator could handle this, why not post an email or such to him to begin with?
And, to make this clear.
The opinion expressed is not the policy of QRZ, its staff, or employees thereof.

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Sep. 08 2007,04:59)]Hello.

I have had no such trouble, so I can not relate.
The reason the thread was locked was concerns over where it was going.
QRZ is but a mom and pop operation, the last thing we need at this point is a legal issue.
Even if it is nothing more than to simply appear in court, that is too much.
Everybody has a day job, something that pays the bills.
People are aware of your plight, but the question now is, why did you not come forth to the QRZ powers to be?
If you feel that a moderator could handle this, why not post an email or such to him to begin with?
And, to make this clear.
The opinion expressed is not the policy of QRZ, its staff, or employees thereof.
I am sure the Moderators have been aware of this for sometime now !
But, If I follow your Lead, WHICH moderator do I forward it all to ? Tom? Terry? Glen ? Dave ? Fred himself?
You see my problem !!
Maybe I should just Post the names and calls of those who threaten along with their Emails ... It is against my principals but maybe is needed for everyone to see how evil they are !
Gordon

[k9kxq]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:01)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Sep. 08 2007,04:59)]Hello.

I have had no such trouble, so I can not relate.
The reason the thread was locked was concerns over where it was going.
QRZ is but a mom and pop operation, the last thing we need at this point is a legal issue.
Even if it is nothing more than to simply appear in court, that is too much.
Everybody has a day job, something that pays the bills.
People are aware of your plight, but the question now is, why did you not come forth to the QRZ powers to be?
If you feel that a moderator could handle this, why not post an email or such to him to begin with?
And, to make this clear.
The opinion expressed is not the policy of QRZ, its staff, or employees thereof.
I am sure the Moderators have been aware of this for sometime now !
But, If I follow your Lead, WHICH moderator do I forward it all to ? Tom? Terry? Glen ? Dave ? #Fred himself?
You see my problem !!
Maybe I should just Post the names and calls of those who threaten along with their Emails ... It is against my principals but maybe is needed for everyone to see how evil they are !
Gordon
Post the names, inquiring minds want to know...

kxq

[ad4mg]

Gordon, I've had a half dozen of my posts "vaporized" lately. To be fair, I receive an explanation in the form of a PM in most cases, especially from one moderator in particular.

I respect what they do, as it's a balancing act trying to enforce the site rules fairly. Like everything else, some of these guys (and gals) are better at it than others.

When this happens, I reply politely, and make any requested changes. I also will not hesitate to offer my opinion of the incident in question, but not in a manner that escalates the situation.

Hopefully, you too received an explanation for the action taken. If you didn't, then obviously the edit was performed by one of the moderators who hasn't the time to deal with us little people. I very much appreciate the communications I receive here when I'm being a pain in their lower intestinal regions. I only wish all the moderators would use the same approach.

It is most difficult to correct something that is perceived as being contrary to the rules when you are left guessing as to what the offense was.

That's my $20.00 (+ applicable taxes and fees ...) worth.

[W3MIV]

While I greatly value the site, and willingly support it, the moderation is uneven, at best. That variability leads to a confusion as to what is acceptable in some cases.

We all have seen threads locked down too quickly and for causes that would better receive a warning and a correction. The worst form of moderation is that which "anticipates" a problem, and I strongly suspect that is the errant reasoning in this instance.

Alas, moderation is, at best, a thankless task. Given the emotional energies that often animate discussions on this particular forum, it is also a necessary one. In the grand scheme of QRZ, I see no easy solution that would satisfy both sides of an issue like this one.

There should be an explanation, however, of just what sin was committed by Gordon (or another poster, perhaps) and just why the thread was locked down. Failing such a revelation, there is no adequate means of safely determining the edges of the "demilitarized zones" that interpose themselves betwixt that which is sanctified and that which is verboten.

My point here is that without such explanation, the situation is likely to repeat; clarification might tend to mitigate future breaches.

[KA8DKT]

I think you were making a mountain out of a molehill at the very beginning.

A threatening e-mail is worthless as a legal threat. #If you fear bodily harm or physical harm to your home and property, there is recourse by reporting the threat to the appropriate law enforcement authorities.

What I don't understand is why you even responded in the first place. #Did the e-mailer have some substantive justification to support his action? #If I had received such an e-mail I would have deleted it without further thought. #If it threatened bodily harm or physical harm to my property, I still would not have responded, but I would have saved it.

As to locking down the thread, well, I also agree that may not have been justified. #The moderation on the 'Zed is uneven. #I have on at least two occasions posted calling for more transparency in that process. #Without consistancy, there is no way for anyone to know for sure what is considered acceptable and what is not. #I never received any response from any of the moderators to my comments.

My two cents worth.

-gary

[WS2L]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,17:01)]Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Sep. 08 2007,04:59)]Hello.

I have had no such trouble, so I can not relate.
The reason the thread was locked was concerns over where it was going.
QRZ is but a mom and pop operation, the last thing we need at this point is a legal issue.
Even if it is nothing more than to simply appear in court, that is too much.
Everybody has a day job, something that pays the bills.
People are aware of your plight, but the question now is, why did you not come forth to the QRZ powers to be?
If you feel that a moderator could handle this, why not post an email or such to him to begin with?
And, to make this clear.
The opinion expressed is not the policy of QRZ, its staff, or employees thereof.
I am sure the Moderators have been aware of this for sometime now !
But, If I follow your Lead, WHICH moderator do I forward it all to ? Tom? Terry? Glen ? Dave ? Fred himself?
You see my problem !!
Maybe I should just Post the names and calls of those who threaten along with their Emails ... It is against my principals but maybe is needed for everyone to see how evil they are !
Gordon
Gordon,

If you are being threatened or are having trouble here on QRZ you are welcome to PM me anytime and I will do my best to assist you. I can not promise that I can solve the issue myself but I can promise that I will try. The only exception is if you plan on posting all of my PM's on another website then I will deal with problems in open forums.

[N2RJ]

Gordon,

What you experienced is par for the course.

[kf4vgx]

Gordon,

If you are being threatened or are having trouble here on QRZ you are welcome to PM me anytime and I will do my best to assist you. I can not promise that I can solve the issue myself but I can promise that I will try.

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73's,
Dave .... WS2L


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Sounds fair enough to me #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif .


Gordon , my life was threaten by a member of qrz some years back. I just laughed and tossed the email.
Most of this is just egos behind a keyboard,junk displayed emotions.

You will live a more enjoyable life if you just laugh it off.
And cheaper on your wallet if lawyers become involved.

[n0jaa]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
There is a reason why this is called a MODERATED board. #Because the MODERATORS are always watching the post. #And as moderators, they have the right to edit and/or delete any post which they think is inappropriate. #It has happened to me a few times, too, but I don't fret over it.

As a list owner/moderator myself, I know how this works. #QRZ is not a public discussion board, it is a PRIVATE board, so the owners and/or moderators have the final say as to what is posted and what is not. #I've had to do this myself on my own lists.

And before you ask, no I am NOT a QRZ moderator.

[N6WK]

Quote[/b] (WS2L @ Sep. 08 2007,14:37)]Gordon,

If you are being threatened or are having trouble here on QRZ you are welcome to PM me anytime and I will do my best to assist you. I can not promise that I can solve the issue myself but I can promise that I will try. The only exception is if you plan on posting all of my PM's on another website then I will deal with problems in open forums.
Fair Enough.
Thanks.

Gordon
N6WK

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Sep. 08 2007,12:22)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
There is a reason why this is called a MODERATED board. #Because the MODERATORS are always watching the post. #And as moderators, they have the right to edit and/or delete any post which they think is inappropriate. #It has happened to me a few times, too, but I don't fret over it.

As a list owner/moderator myself, I know how this works. #QRZ is not a public discussion board, it is a PRIVATE board, so the owners and/or moderators have the final say as to what is posted and what is not. #I've had to do this myself on my own lists.

And before you ask, no I am NOT a QRZ moderator.
You state the obvious. The issue has never been one of failing to understand the need for moderation, nor one of disputing the rights of the moderators to intervene. The topic at issue is one of understanding why a moderator took the action he or she took so that we might all benefit from the clarity such an exposition would bring to future posts in this forum.

I suspect, however, that no such elucidation will be forthcoming, since offering such explanations seems to be regarded as a "sign of weakness" or one of "capitulation," and once circled, the wagons must remain secured against any show of impuissance. That is, of course, a ludicrous interpretation to put on such a request, but I would wager on that square.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 08 2007,13:03)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Sep. 08 2007,12:22)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
There is a reason why this is called a MODERATED board. Because the MODERATORS are always watching the post. And as moderators, they have the right to edit and/or delete any post which they think is inappropriate. It has happened to me a few times, too, but I don't fret over it.

As a list owner/moderator myself, I know how this works. QRZ is not a public discussion board, it is a PRIVATE board, so the owners and/or moderators have the final say as to what is posted and what is not. I've had to do this myself on my own lists.

And before you ask, no I am NOT a QRZ moderator.
You state the obvious. The issue has never been one of failing to understand the need for moderation, nor one of disputing the rights of the moderators to intervene. The topic at issue is one of understanding why a moderator took the action he or she took so that we might all benefit from the clarity such an exposition would bring to future posts in this forum.

I suspect, however, that no such elucidation will be forthcoming, since offering such explanations seems to be regarded as a "sign of weakness" or one of "capitulation," and once circled, the wagons must remain secured against any show of impuissance. That is, of course, a ludicrous interpretation to put on such a request, but I would wager on that square.
I find the exact opposite to be true. Twice, as a moderator elsewhere, I identified and explained my reason for the decisions I made.

In both instances, it appeared to be well received.

The truth seldom does further damage, IMHO.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Sep. 08 2007,13:08)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 08 2007,13:03)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Sep. 08 2007,12:22)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
There is a reason why this is called a MODERATED board. #Because the MODERATORS are always watching the post. #And as moderators, they have the right to edit and/or delete any post which they think is inappropriate. #It has happened to me a few times, too, but I don't fret over it.

As a list owner/moderator myself, I know how this works. #QRZ is not a public discussion board, it is a PRIVATE board, so the owners and/or moderators have the final say as to what is posted and what is not. #I've had to do this myself on my own lists.

And before you ask, no I am NOT a QRZ moderator.
You state the obvious. The issue has never been one of failing to understand the need for moderation, nor one of disputing the rights of the moderators to intervene. The topic at issue is one of understanding why a moderator took the action he or she took so that we might all benefit from the clarity such an exposition would bring to future posts in this forum.

I suspect, however, that no such elucidation will be forthcoming, since offering such explanations seems to be regarded as a "sign of weakness" or one of "capitulation," and once circled, the wagons must remain secured against any show of impuissance. That is, of course, a ludicrous interpretation to put on such a request, but I would wager on that square.
I find the exact opposite to be true. #Twice, as a moderator elsewhere, I identified and explained my reason for the decisions I made.

In both instances, it appeared to be well received.

The truth seldom does further damage, IMHO.
Dear Luke, if you consider by my post that I was somehoe DEFENDING stonewalling in lieu of providing a clear, concise explication of the standards and why they were applied, I most emphatically do not.

I believe this instance was overly hasty; I saw no reason to lock the thread, and I have strong suspicions about the origin of the clamp. Should my suspicion be borne out, it would not be the first time rampant nannyism has led to over-reaction.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 08 2007,14:04)]Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Sep. 08 2007,13:08)]Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 08 2007,13:03)]Quote[/b] (n0jaa @ Sep. 08 2007,12:22)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,23:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
There is a reason why this is called a MODERATED board. Because the MODERATORS are always watching the post. And as moderators, they have the right to edit and/or delete any post which they think is inappropriate. It has happened to me a few times, too, but I don't fret over it.

As a list owner/moderator myself, I know how this works. QRZ is not a public discussion board, it is a PRIVATE board, so the owners and/or moderators have the final say as to what is posted and what is not. I've had to do this myself on my own lists.

And before you ask, no I am NOT a QRZ moderator.
You state the obvious. The issue has never been one of failing to understand the need for moderation, nor one of disputing the rights of the moderators to intervene. The topic at issue is one of understanding why a moderator took the action he or she took so that we might all benefit from the clarity such an exposition would bring to future posts in this forum.

I suspect, however, that no such elucidation will be forthcoming, since offering such explanations seems to be regarded as a "sign of weakness" or one of "capitulation," and once circled, the wagons must remain secured against any show of impuissance. That is, of course, a ludicrous interpretation to put on such a request, but I would wager on that square.
I find the exact opposite to be true. Twice, as a moderator elsewhere, I identified and explained my reason for the decisions I made.

In both instances, it appeared to be well received.

The truth seldom does further damage, IMHO.
Dear Luke, if you consider by my post that I was somehoe DEFENDING stonewalling in lieu of providing a clear, concise explication of the standards and why they were applied, I most emphatically do not.

I believe this instance was overly hasty; I saw no reason to lock the thread, and I have strong suspicions about the origin of the clamp. Should my suspicion be borne out, it would not be the first time rampant nannyism has led to over-reaction.
Not at all Albert! We're in total agreement here. I was suggesting, as you have, that the approach used here by the moderators has ample room for improvement, especially in the area of communication.

They will do as they see fit, though. I've hoed this row before, and it always fails to produce. It's as if suggestion and constructive criticism aren't very well received.

Apparently they feel their formula for success here is infallible, and there's little reason for them to mingle among the unworthy.

EDIT: I must note, to give credit where due, that two of the moderators here are excellent communicators, and go above and beyond their assigned duties to offer assistance. No need to name names, as they know who they are.

[W3MIV]

Alas, in the amateur radio forum we have another example of "predictive moderation" that has resulted in the lockdown of a thread on the basis of imagined or anticipated violations.

This is nannyism, not moderation.

[WA5KRP]

Moderating this forum ain't a job for sissies. #It's a payless, thankless PITA. #And it's all that keeps this forum from sliding into chaos.

I've been wondering what the hell Fred has on Terry that keeps K7FE in the fray. #Must be blackmail.

http://thedenver.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/img_7563.jpg


WA5KRP
Texas

[N6WK]

I want to THANK everyone for their Emails supporting me in this situation and also those that shared their similar situations from these same people.
I think at this time, I'll let it drop. If however it should start up again, ( The Emails) I will take Dave up on his offer and forward all the info to him and go from there.

Have a great weekend.

73,
Gordon
N6WK

[W4INF]

This Interhate thing has GOT to stop! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[k0dxc]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,20:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
I have to ask WHY ? I did no wrong. I posted No wrong.
The thread was about being threatened in emails from some people here on QRZ.
This particular person ( and his friends) have a history of threatening other users here on QRZ via Email. I am NOT the only one. I have been receiving private Emails from others that have had the same threats and harassments from these people I think it is time that Fred and the Moderators take the high road and punish these users that threaten others. I have the Emails to back up my accusations. To Lock the thread and edit the posts is NOT called for. Is the Secret Squirrel back ??
NO, These Email threats are NOT coming from Canada.
they are coming from jerks ( QRMers) right here in the USA

I will be MORE then happy to publish WHO they are and provide the Emails if needed. I am sure the others that have been threatened by these wanna be thugs will do the same if needed.

Don't be surprised if this Thread disappears also. the Secret Squirrel may be Back !!

Gordon
N6WK
Don't let it bother you. The people who do it probably have no life.(I mean the email threats)

[Mike95874]

Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,20:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
I have to ask WHY ? I did no wrong. I posted No wrong.
The thread was about being threatened in emails from some people here on QRZ.
This particular person ( and his friends) have a history of threatening other users here on QRZ via Email. I am NOT the only one. I have been receiving private Emails from others that have had the same threats and harassments from these people I think it is time that Fred and the Moderators take the high road and punish these users that threaten others. I have the Emails to back up my accusations. To Lock the thread and edit the posts is NOT called for. Is the Secret Squirrel back ??
NO, These Email threats are NOT coming from Canada.
they are coming from jerks ( QRMers) right here in the USA

I will be MORE then happy to publish WHO they are and provide the Emails if needed. I am sure the others that have been threatened by these wanna be thugs will do the same if needed.

Don't be surprised if this Thread disappears also. the Secret Squirrel may be Back !!

Gordon
N6WK
Your recent experience is why I choose NOT to post with my call.

It seems their is a certain group of individuals who like to harass via email if you don't agree with their views.

I'd BET that the harassment came from a 3 call, didn't it?

Mike

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (Mike95874 @ Sep. 10 2007,08:40)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,20:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
I have to ask WHY ? I did no wrong. I posted No wrong.
The thread was about being threatened in emails from some people here on QRZ.
This particular person ( and his friends) have a history of threatening other users here on QRZ via Email. I am NOT the only one. I have been receiving private Emails from others that have had the same threats and harassments from these people I think it is time that Fred and the Moderators take the high road and punish these users that threaten others. I have the Emails to back up my accusations. To Lock the thread and edit the posts is NOT called for. Is the Secret Squirrel back ??
NO, These Email threats are NOT coming from Canada.
they are coming from jerks ( QRMers) right here in the USA

I will be MORE then happy to publish WHO they are and provide the Emails if needed. I am sure the others that have been threatened by these wanna be thugs will do the same if needed.

Don't be surprised if this Thread disappears also. the Secret Squirrel may be Back !!

Gordon
N6WK
Your recent experience is why I choose NOT to post with my call.

It seems their is a certain group of individuals who like to harass via email if you don't agree with their views.

I'd BET that the harassment came from a 3 call, didn't it?

Mike
Oh. You hide your identity because you're frightened of a few e-mails? Laughable.

That happens here every now and then.

Hiding your identity here gets you zero respect.

You'll see.

[Mike95874]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ Sep. 10 2007,05:47)]Quote[/b] (Mike95874 @ Sep. 10 2007,08:40)]Quote[/b] (N6WK @ Sep. 07 2007,20:44)]Recently ( today) made a post in a thread I started. I came back a while later and found that a Word had been changed in my post and the thread locked
I have to ask WHY ? I did no wrong. I posted No wrong.
The thread was about being threatened in emails from some people here on QRZ.
This particular person ( and his friends) have a history of threatening other users here on QRZ via Email. I am NOT the only one. I have been receiving private Emails from others that have had the same threats and harassments from these people I think it is time that Fred and the Moderators take the high road and punish these users that threaten others. I have the Emails to back up my accusations. To Lock the thread and edit the posts is NOT called for. Is the Secret Squirrel back ??
NO, These Email threats are NOT coming from Canada.
they are coming from jerks ( QRMers) right here in the USA

I will be MORE then happy to publish WHO they are and provide the Emails if needed. I am sure the others that have been threatened by these wanna be thugs will do the same if needed.

Don't be surprised if this Thread disappears also. the Secret Squirrel may be Back !!

Gordon
N6WK
Your recent experience is why I choose NOT to post with my call.

It seems their is a certain group of individuals who like to harass via email if you don't agree with their views.

I'd BET that the harassment came from a 3 call, didn't it?

Mike
Oh. You hide your identity because you're frightened of a few e-mails? Laughable.

That happens here every now and then.

Hiding your identity here gets you zero respect.

You'll see.
Frightened?

Not hardly.

[W3MIV]

Quote[/b] (Mike95874 @ Sep. 10 2007,09:15)]Not hardly.
Your skill with English matches your courage.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (Mike95874 @ Sep. 10 2007,09:15)]Frightened?

Not hardly.
But ... but ... but, you're still hiding!

Scared of the e-mail monster. Bwaaaaaaaaa!

[WA5KRP]

Quote[/b] (W3MIV @ Sep. 10 2007,08:23)]Quote[/b] (Mike95874 @ Sep. 10 2007,09:15)]Not hardly.
Your skill with English matches your courage.
Elegant zinger. But very likely wasted.



WA5KRP
Texas

[W2ILP]

I have never been threatened by anyone here on QRZ, nor have I ever threatened anyone else. Perhaps that is because I believe in the opposite of what Teddy Roosevelt said (with his softly speaking - big stick policy)...So I speak big and carry a twig.

Before there was a QRZ ham radio ragchew group....
When I posted my opinions such as "Ham Radio nedds more classes." I had my life threatened by a ham who was a regular on the old ham.radio. amateur. policy forum on Deja (before it wass Google.) I later learned that the guy who had threatened me was very depressed. He had lost his wife. She died as the result of an accident that he had blamed himself for. He had other serious problems but he used ham radio and messaage posting as theropy to try to forget his troubles. After I learned more about him, we began to communicate with mutuial respect.

w2ilp (I Like People)...especially hams...and I respect them even when they call me a pinko liberal...which I am not exactly...Well hardly ever.