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W4FZT
09-05-2007, 03:37 PM
Check this out. Our government at work

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2184.html?theme=light

KL7AJ
09-05-2007, 03:42 PM
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/cam.html


I'm planning on visiting again in a few weeks. They finally have it finished! I GW of ERP.

Eric

KC7MRQ
09-05-2007, 03:43 PM
I always like this antenna farm. (http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/home4biz/bigpower.html)

N8YX
09-05-2007, 03:45 PM
Quote[/b] (WB4FZT @ Sep. 05 2007,08:37)]Check this out. Our government at work

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2184.html?theme=light
Not of too much use to us hams if the radiation from the site goes straight up.

On the other hand - the Gomel OTHB radar antenna would make a dandy 40-17M setup for contesting. Electrically steerable beam and whatnot...

N4AUD
09-05-2007, 03:55 PM
That's just cool.

KG4KWW
09-05-2007, 04:21 PM
I want one

KB2VXA
09-05-2007, 05:40 PM
I remember reading about some hams on their way to Dayton used that rhombic array at Bethany between the time the VOA shut down and the site demolished. Pretty crappy propagation at the bottom of the sunspot cycle but they still made some fairly impressive contacts... naturally.

Gee, 'twould have been nice for a ham to have gotten his hands on one of those 250KW Collins frequency agile transmitters. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

W3WN
09-05-2007, 05:45 PM
Quote[/b] (kc7mrq @ Sep. 05 2007,11:43)]I always like this antenna farm. (http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/home4biz/bigpower.html)
I thought most of VOA Bethany was decommissioned and dismantled?

Now if you want to see a big array, go look up the Russian Woodpecker... specifically the Duga-3 "Woodpecker" Array near Chernobyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Woodpecker)

Now, THAT'S impressive!

W7KI
09-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Here is the largest antenna I've ever seen:

http://www.socaltvradio.com/intercept/05082602.jpg

http://www.socaltvradio.com/intercept/05082607.jpg

This was one of three OTHB radar receiver antennas in Tule Lake, CA. Unfortunately it was dismantled earlier this year.

Another huge one is NLK which was the multi-megawatt VLF transmitter in Jim Creek, WA. Not only was the antenna huge, the transmitter final tube was so big that you could remove the vacuum and walk into it via a sealed door !

N9LCD
09-05-2007, 06:56 PM
I remember reading a description of a massive antenna array built in the southeast U.K. during WW II to jam German aircraft communications.

The surface area of the reflector was, I think, about 5 acres!!!

Of course, by the time we finished it, we had already overrun that part of the Continent covered by the array!


JERRY

N9LCD

KC2ESD
09-06-2007, 03:00 AM
With a HAARP set up like that its DX on demand. Welcome to the 21st century.

KA4DPO
09-06-2007, 03:16 AM
That's just my NVIS array. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

WA9CWX
09-06-2007, 03:35 AM
The original intent of HARP was to help our poor planet by nudging the Ionisphere in such a way as to :

1. Send an RF 'death ray' to disrupt the weather in other parts of the world.

2. Send an RF 'death ray' to destroy attacking UFOs.

3. Heat up the Ionoshere to play God for a day.

4. Enhance VHF propogation using an artificially created Aurora like reflective layer.

5. Experiment with High Energy physics in a larger than labratory setting.

6. Talk to the space people.

7. Burn the space people.

8. Find new ways to use our fuel excesses running a huge generator.

9. Work DX from KL land.

10. All of the above.

11. None of the above.


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KL7FZ
09-06-2007, 09:33 AM
Been there many times. Participated in some of the ham tests and the one FAI experiment. They do have a ham club call there. KL7ERP. And the head of the HAARP project is a ham. They are very ham friendly there.
They will be running some more experiments in OCT concerning FAI but so far not with amateur involvement. But the hams have been invited to participate. It requires VHF and 6 meter stations with large arrays and/or EME arrays.
The HAARP antennas themselves are only set up for TX. Not available for RX.
360 10KW amplifiers into 360 dipoles on 180 towers.

I'm thinking of building me one. Just so I can work all those guys that say they can never get Alaska.

KL7FZ

WD4CHP
09-06-2007, 11:28 AM
Also impressive was the log periodic antenna farm at Homestead AFB, Fl. before hurricane Andrew.

W0UZR
09-06-2007, 11:47 AM
It's over 10 years since I saw that. I think it was on the #'Unsolved #Mysteries' #program. #The last time I saw that, they said that the antenna system was up in Alaska. #And the only way pictures could be taken is from the air. They couldn't get in to look up close because there was no way in there. #All blocked off with restricted area, and keep out signs all over the place and a fence all around. #A government operation.

They guessed that the antenna array was suppose to be Manipulating the weather some how by heating up the ionisphere. #And their second guess was to jam signals from other countries.

CU2JT
09-06-2007, 02:41 PM
Let me proudly present my antenna farm, the one and only 33ft vertical

KA4DPO
09-06-2007, 02:46 PM
I see by the clouds in the picture you've been able to modify the weather.... http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

W4DJ
09-07-2007, 02:38 AM
No Comment keeping my opnions to myself.

KN4DS
09-07-2007, 02:41 AM
Man, this thread belongs on godlikeproductions.com

Welcome to conspiracy theory land.

W9AFB
09-07-2007, 02:57 AM
I heard HAARP a few years ago. Pretty cool and some killer signals on the band.

KO0N
09-07-2007, 05:41 AM
You want antennas, check out this:
Antenna Link (http://www.antenna.be/)

Mel

ko0m

KL7FZ
09-07-2007, 06:22 AM
Quote[/b] (w4dj @ Sep. 06 2007,19:38)]
Quote[/b] (WB4FZT @ Sep. 05 2007,03:37)]Check this out. Our government at work #

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2184.html?theme=light
The Military's Pandora's Box

Do you all realize what they are doing here with this Antenna Farm?
Getting ready to heat up the Atmosphere with experiments and create damage to the Planet.

Do a little research and you to will see what’s happening here. I have read a couple of articles on this last year from some people who worked there and when they found out what was planned quit and wanted no part of it
. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
GARBAGE!! #The conspiracy nuts have been trying to foist this crap off on us for a while. It does not have enough power to do any of the stuff the nut jobs are preaching. It is nothing but a big HF transmitter. It is a not a threat. The crazies said it would make the caribou walk backwards, cause the salmon to not migrate upstream, change the weather, look into your houses, and give the government mind control. All pure BS.

Amazing how some people fall for this stuff.

#KL7FZ

W0LPQ
09-07-2007, 10:33 AM
4CHP, that was probably a Collins Log at the AFB. We had 3 LP's and one six sided 10-27Mhz Billboard and one 3-10Mhz Billboard and 2 Omni's in Cedar Rapids. Now they are down to 2 LP's and only the High Frequency board. At one time, Collins did the install and build of all of the USAF HF facilities in the states and most overseas. Usually the transmitters were URG-I radios and 10Kw max amplifiers (208U-10's). Some had 208U-3's.

W4DJ
09-07-2007, 11:06 AM
No Comment keeping my opnions to myself.

WA7KKP
09-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Looks impressive, but a good operator can still work DXCC with a dipole. Just takes a little time.

It ain't the size of the wand, but the skill of the magician . . .

Gary WA7KKP

KL7AJ
09-07-2007, 08:29 PM
Quote[/b] (w4dj @ Sep. 06 2007,19:38)]
Quote[/b] (WB4FZT @ Sep. 05 2007,03:37)]Check this out. Our government at work #

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2184.html?theme=light
The Military's Pandora's Box

Do you all realize what they are doing here with this Antenna Farm?
Getting ready to heat up the Atmosphere with experiments and create damage to the Planet.

Do a little research and you to will see what’s happening here. I have read a couple of articles on this last year from some people who worked there and when they found out what was planned quit and wanted no part of it
. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Yeah....it even knocked my avatar upside down! I haven't been the same since!

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

k0dxc
09-07-2007, 10:59 PM
I wonder how much all that cost.

K7KBN
09-07-2007, 11:12 PM
Big antenna? Google Earth.

21 deg 49 min South, 114 deg 10 min East.

NCS Harold E. Holt, North West Cape, Western Australia.

I spent a couple weeks' USNR duty at NLK (Jim Creek) over Christmas 1967. Great duty for an RM1.

NA0AA
09-09-2007, 05:44 PM
We had one of those Wollenweber [I think that is what it was named] 'elephant corral' antenna here at Skaggs Island, now gone. Near Dixon, CA is an old VOA, 1/2 of the KMI station, plus 1/2 of a Navy HF station all in a couple of miles of each other. the VOA has a 3 tower Curtain Array and the Naval station has a vertical that from the road looks like a triangular tower like Rohn 25 but the sides look like they are about 6' each. The guy cables are huge. Looks like it could survive a near miss of a nuke.

The HAARP system sure is interesting You have to wonder if it would not be a good SETI beacon station, if you got it connected to the grid rather than local diesel generators....<G>

Seems like less of a threat than Pave Paws....

AB1GA
09-09-2007, 10:12 PM
Quote[/b] (KG6WOU @ Sep. 09 2007,12:44)]The HAARP system sure is interesting #You have to wonder if it would not be a good SETI beacon station, if you got it connected to the grid rather than local diesel generators....<G>
It&#39;s up in Alaska.

There ain&#39;t no grid, not even a loose mesh.

It&#39;s all done with extension cords, from Seattle.

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

K7KBN
09-11-2007, 06:27 PM
For just a single tower, try this. (http://www.nv.doe.gov/library/publications/newsviews/bren.htm)

I used to work about four miles from this tower, at the Nuclear Rocket Development Station (Test Cell "C"). #This is Area 25, not 51.

Coordinates: 36 deg 46 min 50 sec N, 116 deg 14 min 37 sec W. Test Cell C is about 4 miles north of here. Remember, what you&#39;re seeing at first is the SHADOW of the BREN Tower. You have to look very closely to see the tower itself.

G0GQK
09-11-2007, 08:33 PM
That lot are about as useful to a radio amateur as a bag of dandruff.

I remember years ago listening to a fella somewhere in Texas who was telling another US operator about the Sterba curtain he made. The number of miles of wire he used was astounding, I can&#39;t remember how much, but it was a lot &#33;

His contact was obviously impressed, as I was, and he asked him what he could hear, and his reply was, everything &#33; He could hear converstations thousands of miles away from all corners of the earth. I&#39;ve seen a few big BBC curtain antennas so I&#39;d like to have got my ears into that baby &#33; I&#39;d think I was well endowed if I had a 50 ft mast with a 3 band cubic quad on top, that would make me very happy.

G0GQK

N2NXZ
09-17-2007, 03:53 AM
http://www.elfrad.com/clam.htm

AG3Y
09-17-2007, 04:05 AM
I could sure wish this one was in my back yard &#33;

http://members.myactv.net/~jimstan/w1aw_bigtower.jpg


That&#39;s the tall tower at W1AW. #You hear the CW practice sessions and the bulletins from the stacked beams

I was using a 5 element 20 meter monobander at 150 feet the day I was "working the pileup" &#33;

73, Jim

AG3Y
09-17-2007, 04:27 AM
Speaking of unusual antennas, though, ( I didn&#39;t get a picture of it because I was driving when I saw it, both times &#33; ) Over in Eastern PA or Western NY , I&#39;m not sure which state it was sitting in because it was very close to the border, Right along Interstate 84 there are three very tall towers that are supporting a set of square loop antennas. The two tallest towers are holding up the loops, and the shorter tower in the center holds up the feedlines to the feedpoints. The whole thing looks kind of like a gigantic spider started working on a web and never quite finished the thing. There are at least two concentric loops being held by the towers, and the frequencies involved must be quite low, judging from the size of the loops. I&#39;m really sorry I can&#39;t give a better discription of the things or their location, since so many miles of that highway look so much the same. Maybe they were near West Point ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

Anybody know more about those things ?

73, Jim

KU2US
09-17-2007, 05:39 AM
HAARP screws up our weather on purpose...

W6VPS
09-17-2007, 05:51 AM
I&#39;ve been told VOA Delano, CA is being decommissioned late next month. Apparently VOA is cutting back to only one station but continues to feed stuff worldwide via satellite.

It is the end of a era guys.

Paul/W6VPS

AF6DE
09-17-2007, 01:25 PM
I like the clouds

KL7AJ
09-17-2007, 03:43 PM
Quote[/b] (w6vps @ Sep. 16 2007,22:51)]I&#39;ve been told VOA Delano, CA is being decommissioned #late next month. Apparently VOA is cutting back to only one station but continues to feed stuff worldwide via satellite.

It is the end of a era guys.

Paul/W6VPS
Wow...that certainly is. I wonder if they&#39;re going to sell of the hardware or make it a national monument? I&#39;ve seen the open wire antenna switch gear at Delano, ages ago....quite impressive.

If they do shut it down, someone&#39;s still going to have to continue the mechanical maintenance of the towers....beacon lights and all that. They&#39;ll probably find it cheaper to scrap everything....It&#39;s a shame either way.

Alas.

eric

W0LPQ
09-17-2007, 04:36 PM
4FZT must be relatively new to QRZ. Not that long ago there was considerable discussion about HAARP right here. Impressive system ... Eric I am with you in that I hate to see the VOA dismantle the Delano system. But as you state, maintenance would be costly. Used to have cards from most of the VOA stations but my dad pitched all that stuff (and sold my HQ-100 and 6L6/807 rigs) when I went to the USAF.

Bill, W0LPQ/9

W3WN
09-17-2007, 04:40 PM
Quote[/b] (w6vps @ Sep. 17 2007,01:51)]I&#39;ve been told VOA Delano, CA is being decommissioned #late next month. Apparently VOA is cutting back to only one station but continues to feed stuff worldwide via satellite.

It is the end of a era guys.

Paul/W6VPS
Maybe one of the clubs in the Delano area can talk to VOA about "donating" the site to them in lieu of the cost of decommissioning (destroying) everything.

I know, a long shot, especially with the way the government bureaucracy works, but what the heck...

kc9kow
09-17-2007, 05:09 PM
Conspiracy nuts are off-whack on this one&#33; I agree that it&#39;s just a huge HF antenna array for DX on demand&#33;

Just people with money and WAYYYY too much time on their hands&#33;

kc9kow
09-17-2007, 05:12 PM
Quote[/b] (AG3Y @ Sep. 15 2007,22:05)]I could sure wish this one was in my back yard &#33;

http://members.myactv.net/~jimstan/w1aw_bigtower.jpg


That&#39;s the tall tower at W1AW. #You hear the CW practice sessions and the bulletins from the stacked beams

I was using a 5 element 20 meter monobander at 150 feet the day I was "working the pileup" &#33;

73, Jim
Is this the one out in 4 land? I remember visiting a shack out in Virginia years ago with my dad before I was licensed.

Can&#39;t remember the call though. This really looks like it. I remeber a huge tower like this in a back yard with a nice house there that was a one level house and brown or reddish brown in color, huge parking lot like this, and just deja vu&#33;

W0LPQ
09-17-2007, 05:16 PM
9KOW ...

W1AW, ARRL HQ, Newingtonl CT.

Not 4 land...

AG3Y
09-17-2007, 08:54 PM
You think it is impressive in the photos, you ought to be driving up on it from the little shopping center down around the 600 block&#33; #

The fun part is to see all those towers surrounding the memorial building. #That makes W1AW&#39;s shack look a little small, until you walk up to it, that is &#33; # Even the VHF/Satellite tower would be the envy of a lot of us guys. #BTW, in the picture of the big tower, the "shack" is off to the left of the picture. #The majority of the cars in the picture are facing the headquarters building. #The two buildings are on opposite sides of the parking lot. #

http://members.myactv.net/~jimstan/w1aw_door.jpg


Here is the main entrance to the memorial station. #The familiar face, which faces main street, is on the other side. #Note how they have a chain-link fence surrounding the guy anchor in front of the doorway&#33;


73, Jim

KA5PIU
09-20-2007, 05:49 AM
Hello.

The really neat thing about W1AW is that they will let anybody work it, even me. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
If you want a good signal on 160 meters, you can always load your tower.
That means all of the guys need to be insulated and whatever antennas you have isolated.
It can be done, FM stations added to AM stations are a classic example.
The US military antenna some are thinking of is the AN/FLR-9
I would like to see cold war history preserved, if for no other reason than as a reminder.

KL7AJ
09-20-2007, 04:08 PM
Quote[/b] (ka5piu @ Sep. 19 2007,22:49)]Hello.

The really neat thing about W1AW is that they will let anybody work it, even me. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
If you want a good signal on 160 meters, you can always load your tower.
That means all of the guys need to be insulated and whatever antennas you have isolated.
It can be done, FM stations added to AM stations are a classic example.
The US military antenna some are thinking of is the AN/FLR-9
I would like to see cold war history preserved, if for no other reason than as a reminder.
Yes the "Flare-9" was a Wullenweber antenna.....sort of like the Dopplescant on steroids.

They have one at Elmendorf AFB near Anchorage

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