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AA7BQ
08-31-2007, 09:38 PM
Welcome to Fred's Blog

With this posting I'm introducing a new series of articles which I'm calling
Fred's Blog. For those who've been wondering what a blog is,
the word derives from "web log". Most blogs tend to take the form
of a continuing narrative rather than a back-and-forth discussion,
however, comments are welcome so long as they remain civil.

As for responding to your comments, you should expect that rather than
jumping into the fray of replies at the bottom of this article that I
will instead respond in the next edition of my blog. We'll see
how that goes.

This first article is about QRZ and several new and some up coming
developments regarding what the Internet world calls Web 2.0 and what
I'm calling QRZ 2.0. I'll also comment about some recent site
changes that have affected some off line users poorly.

QRZ 2.0: What is it and why can't we keep things as they are?
QRZ 2.0 is a major redesign of the site that makes liberal use of Web
2.0 technology. Web 2.0 technology includes things that many of
us take for granted on other websites without even realizing it. If
you've been to sites like eBay, PayPal, YouTube, Amazon.com, MySpace,
or Wells Fargo then you've used Web 2.0 already. In fact, you'd
be hard pressed not to experience the 2.0 technologies in most modern
websites.

Technically speaking, Web 2.0 includes things like Javascript, AJAX,
XHTML, DOM, CSS, and Flash. QRZ already uses a few of these
technologies with CSS at the top right now. CSS refers to
Cascading Style Sheets and it's the magic that makes all sorts of page
formatting possible in ways that can't be done with simple HTML alone.


I can already hear "But we don't need no fancy formattin..."
even as I write this. Well, that's true, you don't "need" it, but
then you also don't "need" fancy new microprocessor controlled radios
with multiple DSP units, automated notch filters, and automatic antenna
tuning, and yet they're selling like hotcakes. QRZ has a choice
to make: it can be the online equivalent of a trusty old Kenwood TS-830
or perhaps something closer to a modern Icom IC-7800 or a Yaesu
FT-DX9000.

Actually, when QRZ came into being the TS-940 was the hot rig on the
block and the first web browser was called Mosaic (later Netscape,
later FireFox). Microsoft was perturbed because a) they hadn't
thought of it, and b) where was no way to charge for it. They're
still working on that one. Anyway, I didn't know HTML before I
put QRZ.COM online and I learned it as the site grew. If you look
at some of our old pages you'll see some pretty remarkable differences
between those old days (way back in '93') and today. During those
years everybody was learning and over time everything advanced
to new levels.

Only 5 years ago, for example, you couldn't depend on certain HTML and CSS
constructs to work equally across all browsers. Today,
thankfully, those incompatibilities have been greatly reduced by the
adoption of standards (despite Microsoft's objections), and as a
result, advanced features are now available to just about everybody so
long as they run a reasonably recent version of web browser.

Today, this web site is a mix of Web 1.0 and later technologies and
in some ways it still has somewhat of a primitive look and feel to it.
These old pages are also inefficient and time consuming, both for the
user and the server. Imagine the simple act of inputting a bit of
incorrect data in a form. The user clicks on the Save or Update
button, the server pauses a bit, and then returns with a message saying
that such-and-such is incorrect, prompting the user to correct the
input. In Web 2.0, these types of errors and interactions are
handled directly in the browser without having to involve the time to
send it to the server and the wait for a response. It's called
Javascript and it's the best thing that ever happened to
browsers. QRZ 2.0 is going to be using a lot of javascript and
some of the new features will be remarkable.

New QRZ Features on the Horizon

In the past few months, QRZ has undergone hardware and network upgrades
that have increased our capacity in key areas. Recently, we've
introduced an upgrade to the QRZ Practice Tests that have made them
into a stand alone application using Adobe Flash 8.0. Is your browser
not compatible with Flash? If so then that would be a rarity
since the statistics out now indicate that it's installed on 98% of all
browsers. The new tests offer new kinds of feedback, allow the
users to skip questions and answer them later (like a real test), and
they run completely from the user's browser instead of making repeated
requests on the server for each question. It's a win all the way
around for both the users and the server.

One of our biggest new projects involves a complete redesign of our
callsign database and our callsign display pages. Our server and
network upgrades are enabling us to implement a new system in which
users will be able to upload multiple photos for each callsign, have
full HTML editing and formatting capabilities, and complete control
over page colors, styles, fonts, etc..

We're also removing the restrictions on maximum page and photo size
and we'll probably include the ability to upload audio and video clips.
We're even throwing a WYSIWYG (what-you-see-is-what-you-get) HTML
editor so that even newbies can have great looking web pages.
We're also introducing a new mapping facility that will provide grid
square and lat/long coordinates for any point on the globe. All
you will have to do is pick a point on the map and your coordinates
will be precisely calculated. Web 2.0 makes this possible too.

We're also planning on replacing our Forum software,
Ikonboard. Ikonboard was abandoned by its developers a few years
ago and there are newer forum packages out there that do a better job.
We plan to preserve the old articles by integrating them into the new
system.

We're working on the new database now and hope to have a beta
preview sometime within the next month. Stay tuned for a front
page announcement. We'll probably be using more Adobe Flash as
well for some of the narrower applications such as our DX Cluster and
QSL Manager Lookup.

Recent Changes that Have Upset Folks

Last week I did the unthinkable. Well, it didn't seem like
much to me but the fallout continues as I open my mailbox this
morning. What happened? Well, for starters, <span style="font-style: italic;">I removed the colons!</span>
That's right, the colons. While in the midst of choosing some new
layouts for the new database, I looked at the existing Callsign Detail
pages and noticed that the formatting we were using there looked old
and boring. Since it was a quick mod, I changed the page by
removing the colons, adding color and emphasis to the field names, and
voila! A nice new look that only took about 10 minutes.

Within hours I began hearing from people who were bewildered and/or
irate. Over the next couple of days I learned that those colons
were the key to free data services that a number of people have been
enjoying for the past couple of years. The technique is known as
Web Scraping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_scraping) and what has basically been going on is
that some logbook programs have been reading the QRZ web pages (sans
advertisements) in the background, filtering them and then presenting
the harvested data harvested to the user. It has become a popular
alternative to subscribing to our XML Portal (http://online.qrz.com)
which is a fee based service.
Currently, we have more than 1000 subscribers whose
support helps keep QRZ running. We don't know how many people are
using the "free" method but as of last week the number dropped
precipitously.


The folks who created the web scraping software are resourceful and
some have already adapted to the new format, but they didn't appreciate
the exercise. One user group of the package known as Swisslog,
are particularly upset because the program's author is unable to step in
due to health reasons. One ham wrote me to argue that QRZ was a
"money grubbing enterprise". Maybe the guy knows how to get free cable
TV, or if not at least he's willing to pay for it because there is no
shareware alternative.

I suppose that now is as good a time as any to speak out on all of
this. First of all, the format of the QRZ pages was never
guaranteed to be a standard. Those who wrote programs expecting
it to be so accepted this risk when they started. They knew of
the XML port and chose to circumvent it by technical means. It's
worth nothing that I never heard from any of
these developers until the format changed. Now they're asking me
to change it back since it effects "a lot of users". The developers are
now finding out what it means to presume that a non-standard is a
standard. I'm sorry guys, but what you're doing is unfair both to those
who pay for such services through subscriptions, but also to QRZ and
its advertisers who are being billed for the pages that they draw upon
to fetch the data.

At the risk of being redundant, let me say that I will not put the
colons back into the listings and that the QRZ pages are absolutely not
guaranteed to remain stable. In fact, the pages are guaranteed to
change, sooner, rather than later. Most, if not all of the
upgrades and enhancements that I mentioned earlier in this article,
depend on new page layouts. Sorry, but if you want a published
standard to rely upon then the XML port is your option.

In Closing
That's it for this week's blog. Thank you all for being a part of QRZ.

(also, please excuse the difficult formatting of this article, yet another reason we need new Forum software)

73,

-fred AA7BQ

k0yeq
08-31-2007, 10:01 PM
Thanks for the update. Glad to hear you will be making more options available to us.

KC0YEQ

n3jbh
08-31-2007, 10:02 PM
Good Job Fred i guess some folks can just be a pain in the colon http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

ka7lgf
08-31-2007, 10:40 PM
Hi Fred http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Sounds like some good things going on for sure.Just a comment though about "Flash" as I'm sure U are aware, it doesn't "Play Nice" with all the little puters out here, to the point that Firefox has acknowledged the problem by creating an "Add On" program that normally "Blocks" all Flash on a page putting a Circle with the letter "F" in it that is "Changeable" if U select it. I am running an AMD-K6 Dual Core Processor @ 550Mhz. & 1/2 Gig. memory utilizing Win 2k Pro, so it's not really a matter of me being "Outdated" says the Fire Fox People, but rather a Known Problem with Flash. I hope U don't get complaints about this as a result of using "Flash" for the "Test Pages". Gud Luk. John

k0xxx
09-01-2007, 12:35 AM
Cool. Thanks for all of your efforts!

KE5FRF
09-01-2007, 01:29 AM
Fred,

# First of all I want to say I'm probably one of your worst bandwidth hogs and as of this date a non-subscriber. I won't make excuses, only to say my son's medical bills are a priority. Hopefully soon I'll be in the position to pay my dues. Until then, I hope my browsing helps to pay the bills through advertising. Hey, If nothing else, I am a LOYAL QRZedder. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

# I look forward to your future changes on the site. Bravo for staying up-to-date and not allowing QRZ to go the way of the dinosaurs.

# One comment on the log-book issue. I believe one of the long standing principals of amateur radio is sharing. Sharing of technology, resources, time, and most importantly, ideas. I'm also aware that many industrious amateurs have found a way to profit from the ARS to some degree or another. I think that is GREAT!!! I'm a capitalist all the way. Furthermore, I believe you are a shining example of the amateur spirit as the provider of this wonderful website. I appreciate that you keep your resources open to the amateur community.
# And in that vein, all of these authors who provide free logging software (and some who profit) are also providing a valued service to their fellow amateur. They put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into their product. Indeed, I owe a debt of gratitude to Simon Brown for his HamRadioDeluxe suite that he so generously authored and continues to update for no charge. Obviously, his software is very popular and I suspect that his is one of those to which you refer that takes QRZ license data. My request to you is that perhaps you rethink your thoughts that they are "circumventing" or worse "stealing" the data. Maybe that is what it is when calling a spade a spade, but considering their desire to contribute cost free software to our community, I think it is a bit unfair to cast such negatives upon them.

Anyway, I have nothing but deep respect and gratitude for ALL amateurs such as yourself and Simon Brown who promote our great hobby the way you do!!!!

ke9v
09-01-2007, 01:50 AM
I wasn't even aware of the online service until I read your blog tonight. I just subscribed. I've always appreciated the service so I thought it high time I paid for it.

ad5fd
09-01-2007, 02:00 AM
tnx for the info...that explains why HRD doesnt grab callsign info...sheesh might as well go back to manually entering info...bummer.

ki6jjw
09-01-2007, 02:05 AM
The big problem with having everything DB driven is that the web pages tend to end up being uncachable.
I also don't like the fact that the "back" button then
ends up always taking you to the top of a page, rather
than where you left it, if you had scrolled down.
As far as the "sharing" comment goes, I agree, hams have been very kind to me as a newcomer.
But when I go to arrl web and see most of their
stuff as "member only" it stands in contrast to, say,
the RFC proccess of the internet. 'Nuff said there!

ky5u
09-01-2007, 02:07 AM
Fred,

Tell them not to get their colon in an uproar. Keep on doing what you do. We love it.

KD7ZOS
09-01-2007, 06:21 AM
Yo Fred: Happy Labor Day, and this web site of yours is indeed a labor of love for the ham community. Tell the free loaders to pound sand, they should have enough guts to share a few bucks with you, after they apparently slicked info from your site, without permission.
Sorry I'm not to much of a geek or techie, but we're hams at our qth, because of your site and the testing we practiced on, and Sincerly Grateful. I hope to be able to send a few $$ your way, as funds become available in the near future. Not making enough as a wage earner, so restarting a part-time business. 73's God Bless and Lead On Bro. You do indeed walk yer talk!!:-), showing the true spirit of Ham Radio. Sincerly Tom KD7ZOS

va3xq
09-01-2007, 12:04 PM
Very good Fred! Changes are always welcome for a fresh look and faster information handling. I hope eham.com is paying attention.
jeff
va3xq

ki4wlr
09-01-2007, 12:16 PM
Sounds like a good long overdue change. I never even noticed the difference when using my logging program but I fresh approach always keeps things moving forward. Thanks.

73, KI4WLR
http://www.ki4wlr.com

N0NB
09-01-2007, 01:17 PM
I love it when people take advantage of some undocumented "feature" and when it changes, they complain loudly rather than sucking it up and adapting. If there is one thing that has held computing back the past couple of decades, it's all of the backward compatible baggage that has been dragged forward all of these years.

As for flash, I don't particularly like it since it is not a Free Software package. It's obviously full of performance bugs that no one but Adobe can fix, and they don't seem inclined to do so. IMO, Flash, and its step-cousin Java, do a great job of taking my 2.8 Ghz P4 and reminding me of my 8 MHz XT clone days. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

If Flash is used, I hope it is limited to modules such as the online tests and won't become a requirement of the main site. Fortunately, the No Script add-on for Firefox keeps Flash at bay. BTW, I figured out why it's called Flash, just recall Sheriff Roscoe's dog in the latter seasons of the Dukes of Hazzard. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

KC9JCH
09-01-2007, 04:17 PM
Fred,
I didn't even know there was a "subscription service". Unlike eHam, where I must "refresh" the web page every three or four visits to get rid of the nag screen, It isn't obvious here. Add me as a new subscriber as of today. Thanks for the most usable, helpful piece of cyberspace out there. Keep up the good work.

KI4VMP
09-01-2007, 04:31 PM
Thanks Fred great website I applaud you in your work and in keeping up up with most recent technologies

DG4DB
09-01-2007, 05:22 PM
kicked out all swisslog-users. Nice idea.

Details see HelpDesk or Swisslog Forum:
http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin....=166827 (http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=13;t=166827)
http://www.icap.ch/Forum/index.php?showtopic=1094

73
Juergen
DG4DB

w8znx
09-01-2007, 07:33 PM
Quote[/b] (aa7bq @ Aug. 31 2007,14:38)]even as I write this. #Well, that's true, you don't "need" it, but
then you also don't "need" fancy new microprocessor controlled radios
with multiple DSP units, automated notch filters, and automatic antenna
tuning, and yet they're selling like hotcakes. #QRZ has a choice
to make: it can be the online equivalent of a trusty old Kenwood TS-830
or perhaps something closer to a modern Icom IC-7800 or a Yaesu
FT-DX9000.

73,

-fred #AA7BQ
i do not need or want
most of what you find in new radios

realy do prefer to use
30 to 70 year old gear

this feeling of nostalga for old gear
does not carry over to computers

Fred
QRZ is your baby
run it as you see fit

most including myself
are riding for free

we have no right
to gripe
about the way things are run

keep up the good work

( am member of a sailing club
#funny how members that gripe the most
#often do the least work )

mac #dit dit

N2RJ
09-01-2007, 08:00 PM
Hi Fred,

Thanks for your good work in keeping the site running and improving as it goes along.

K4EQH
09-01-2007, 09:35 PM
Hello Fred.....good going on all that you are doing....when you make the changes as far as information.....PLEASE include the grid square in the first screen you go to instead of having to run around looking for the different information that is initially requested....thankx and good luck with your new endevor.....k4eqh

KI4MRU
09-02-2007, 01:03 AM
This is something I am looking forward to seeing! A while back I wrote up a short post (don't recall if I ever actually posted it) lamenting the fact that the vast majority of ham radio web sites look like they just stumbled out of 1995, and wondering if/when any of these sites would ever catch up to the Web 2.0 bandwagon. Glad to see that Fred is on top of things here. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Like Fred said, it's not that anyone really "needs" shiny new features, but if we hope to remain relevant and appear interesting to young people like me (I'm 23), first appearance really does matter. Take a look at sites like Digg, Pownce, Flickr, etc. They have nice clean looks with appealing layouts, graphics, and text. Cluttered sites just scream "old fashioned" so I hope some thought goes into that during the QRZ updates. I'll certainly be rooting for you, Fred!

ka0use
09-02-2007, 01:54 AM
give the lowdown, filthy, cheapskates hell. they must be democrats, always wanting something for nothing.
democrat=socialist=communist

KA5LQJ
09-02-2007, 02:15 AM
http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Well done, Fred. #Thank you.

Respectfully,
73,
Don/KA5-LQJ
Grid: EM-32cl

Real #friends don't let their friends, use MICRO$HAFT

KC8VWM
09-02-2007, 03:53 AM
I enjoy this fresh, innovative, progressive and forward thinking approach.

This is precisely why I am only happy to offer my financial support to keep QRZ at the leading edge of web 2.0. I would like to encourage others to do the same.

73 de Charles - KC8VWM

AE2EE
09-02-2007, 12:20 PM
GOOD JOB KEEP ON THE CHANGES COMMING AND THAT IS THE PRICE OF PROGRESS. I KNOW SOME WILL COMPLAIN BUT HAMS ARE INOVATORS AT HART AND YOURS IS VERY BIG. ALSO THE ART OF COMMUNICATIONS GIVES MAN KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HIMSELF AND HIS WORLD.:D

AA0CX
09-02-2007, 01:40 PM
Good job, Fred. Thanks for keeping qrz.com there for us...and for caring enough to institute some new things! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KC9FSH
09-02-2007, 04:04 PM
Thanks for all that you do Fred!
I must admit that I was one of the "leechers" for the past 6 months or so while using HRD. I am glad to see that Simon has now included a browser in the past two beta versions so that QRZ will still get the advertising money.

Am I upset because my software will no longer automatically fill in the other stations information? Not at all! Just think of how easy we STILL have it compared to the early hams...

I'm only 20 and my job doesn't pay too well but as soon as I have an extra few bucks I will surely send it to your way. I appreciate all that you have done and will most likely continue doing for the Amateur Radio Community.

73 Fred and thanks again,
Tim
KC9FSH

W0LPQ
09-02-2007, 05:03 PM
Keep up the good work. I don't use any of the "features" that people complain about. So, it has zero impact on me. However, the site is a great one.!

73

iw1ayd
09-02-2007, 05:56 PM
Just another kid in the block.

Changes may happen suddenly, nobody could be tied indefinitely to the past, for whatever the past mean for anybody mileage.

Don't lost ink in worries, tell changes to us all before ... next time please, just in case somebody will read.
Do any change as you need.

A slice of this site well spread knowledge depend and will depend and rely also from outside, not only on itself.
I am really glad to have such a service, now that I have it. Who isn't whit the subject isn't automagically against the subject.

Optimize yours work and do the best for yours fine business, we will follow. Be prepared to have more than one strange request, the world is wild insideout.

Those programmers, you refer, may write some code changes. Any programmers even with variable mileage must be able or become able to make changes in his/her code and maintain first of all his/her Customers.

For any think you will do you will be able to find any possible idea from any possible source. This is as the white or yellow strips on any roads

Anyway, TNX as I could say "IMHO", not a discount item on these black days.

Time will tell, have a nice workout.

73 de IW1AYD Salvatore "Salvo"

W7AIT
09-02-2007, 06:58 PM
Why do we change software? Because we can!

Why do we change software, break things, and upset users? Because we can!

Why do we change software so often? Because we can!

Why do other companies with software change their software? Because they can!

What can the poor users do about it? Nothing!


PS: DXER info Site TOTALLY taken down the other day, for , you guessed it, CHANGES AND TOTAL REWRITE!

Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”

TF2JB
09-02-2007, 09:54 PM
Good job! Thank you for QRZ.Com. I am a subscriber as of April, 2007.

73 de TF2jB.

w5klb
09-03-2007, 12:45 AM
Quote[/b] (W7AIT @ Sep. 02 2007,11:58)]Why do we change software? #Because we can!

Why do we change software, break things, and upset users? #Because we can!

Why do we change software so often? #Because we can!

Why do other companies with software change their software? #Because they can!

What can the poor users do about it? #Nothing!


PS: #DXER info Site TOTALLY taken down the other day, for , you guessed it, CHANGES AND TOTAL REWRITE!

Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: #“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
You could learn a lot from a mechanic.

Maintaining a website is much like maintaining your car. You gotta do the preventive maintenance which includes spotting and fixing the "nickle and dime" items before they become a major problem. I think this is the message Fred wants us to copy. It will be inconvenient, and frustrating, but you'll live though it and life will continue.

From a former Navy "Wrench-Turner."

KJ6MC
09-03-2007, 01:19 AM
Regarding the use of data in software programs:

I am going to assume that the base data that QRZ utilizes is freely available and is (taxpayer-supported) public information.

If QRZ wishes to re-package and profit (or break even) from that data, that's it's prerogative. I appreciate their efforts.

On the other hand, there are those enterprising programmers who are, no doubt, as we speak, coming up with the next set of software work-arounds to provide a service to their customers in the form of usable software.

Let the game of cat-and-mouse begin!

WB7TVS
09-03-2007, 03:47 AM
Ham Radio Deluxe has made changes so you can get
the QRZ.com data. You will find it in the yahoo discussion
group...Build 1584 Beta.
Now works just like before...

73

Bruce http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

n2obm
09-03-2007, 01:21 PM
Teacher's axioms:

1) There ain't no free lunch
2) You get what you pay for...
3) If you think you can do it better, do it yourself

QRZ....still a great source of radio/techno information.

Remember the Amateur's Code...'The Radio Amateur is:...PROGRESSIVE'

Stop whining and figure it out.

Pages and the new TEST engine look great.

Thank you.

KG4RRN
09-03-2007, 01:39 PM
Gee, Freds' gone Hi-Tech !!!
I need to update my website.
I think the headline will read,
"QRZ catches up to the 21st Century" , or something like that.
Removing colons must be painful work, Fred !
You might call removing the colons from your site
a "colon-ositmy" HAHAHAHHAHA
I didn't know you were a doctor too, but now that I see your picture, you really do look like one !
Thanks for the laughs !

KE5CAX
09-03-2007, 02:28 PM
Fred,
Keep up the good work. If someone wants to gripe that they can not cull information from your site then they should just rewrite the info scraper to use the FCC site, it's just that simple.
You are doing a great job and don't let anyone tell you different.

Ed

NF6E
09-03-2007, 04:52 PM
“We'll probably be using more Adobe Flash...for some of the narrower applications such as our DX Cluster and QSL Manager Lookup.”

Flash is almost always disabled on my system unless I must make use of it. #Also disabled is the animation of images in web pages (like animated .gif images).

This way when I visit QRZ or other sites, I'm not constantly badgered by annoying, dancing advertising or similar visual distractions.

If QRZ.com begins to make its features Flash-dependent, I guarantee that users like me who truly appreciate what QRZ does, will begin to migrate away from it.

Please thinkg long and hard about further infesting QRZ.com with Flash unless it is absolutely essential to the proper function of a feature. #There are many ways to create a feature rich site without forcing Flash down our throats.

n1ese
09-03-2007, 06:53 PM
Ok, tell me this. Callbook lookups on qrz.com are FREE. At any time, I can type qrz.com into my browser, plug in a callsign, and get the address I need for sending off a QSL card.

But, if I use a freeware logging program to surf to qrz.com and do the exact same search on my behalf to merely save time and print labels automatically for me, then I am a "leecher", as some of you have put it, and abusing Fred's service.

How are the two any different than one another? The only difference with the later is the fact that I am not subjected to all the flashing advertisements all over the place which I never click on anyway.

If you make a service, such as callbook lookup, FREE to all, it shouldn't matter how I access the data.

- JT

w6vps
09-03-2007, 07:27 PM
Good job Fred..I look forward to the changes and further steps forward.
73 - Paul/W6VPS

N5VLZ
09-04-2007, 02:32 AM
Hi, Fred...

#I was first introduced to QRZ back with version 12 of the QRZ CD-ROM...I think that was the last one that had the entire shareware collection on it...and I've ordered every version since then...with the twice a year updates. Consider this as my notice for an order I'm going to place for the new version to come out in November, 2007. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

#Now, the CD is taken up with QSL card images and modfiles...but it still works with the special freeware ham radio door on my telnet BBS...the door originally done by Dave Perry, W4KGU...which I use as a callsign lookup during nets. If I can't find it there, I come to QRZ.

#With using Opera as my browser, I've had no problems using the site (I'm also a subscriber...got to remember to renew my membership at the right time (hi hi)). My only regret is that I don't have the time to use all of it.

73, and many thanks.

ka5piu
09-05-2007, 01:55 AM
Hello.

Notice something?
The ones that make the most noise, look at their tag thingy, ham member.
Now, look at the Subcribers, most are very happy with whatever changes you want to make.
Another, very minor thing.
Quite a few times people have asked me about the subscriber thing.
Is there any way of perhaps listing all the extra features and benefits of being a subcriber?
It might be better to put this in one of the forums, just a quick note for the ones who may not be aware of this great offer.
TNX.

n3jvt
09-10-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm glad to hear of the new/upcoming changes. It does the website some good to be updated every now and then with new technology. But one thing I don't like is the new tests, the Adobe 8 is nice but the not seeing the correct answer is not benificial to me to learn.

wz0o
09-11-2007, 12:49 PM
Quote[/b] (n1ese @ Sep. 03 2007,11:53)]Ok, tell me this. #Callbook lookups on qrz.com are FREE. #At any time, I can type qrz.com into my browser, plug in a callsign, and get the address I need for sending off a QSL card.

But, if I use a freeware logging program to surf to qrz.com and do the exact same search on my behalf to merely save time and print labels automatically for me, then I am a "leecher", as some of you have put it, and abusing Fred's service.

How are the two any different than one another? #The only difference with the later is the fact that I am not subjected to all the flashing advertisements all over the place which I never click on anyway.

If you make a service, such as callbook lookup, FREE to all, it shouldn't matter how I access the data.

- JT
1. The ads help pay the bills. (Fred does not get the web space for free).

2. All this info in one place is worth the cost for me.

3. My logging program works just fine with QRZ.com. Because I paid for it too.

4. This is Freds site he does the work. Don't like it don't let the : hit you in the donkey on your way out.

Just my thought.

KB1JCY
09-13-2007, 10:50 PM
Excellent work Fred! I'm glad to hear that QRZ is going Web 2.0. I've tested just about all the forum software packages on the market. If you need some input or feedback, please contact me.

kl7aj
09-14-2007, 03:06 PM
Quote[/b] (n3jbh @ Aug. 31 2007,15:02)]Good Job Fred i guess some folks can just be a pain in the colon #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
And some are just a (pain in the parenthesis) http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

KI4VIR
09-16-2007, 02:42 AM
Quote[/b] (W7AIT @ Sep. 02 2007,11:58)]Why do we change software? Because we can!

Why do we change software, break things, and upset users? Because we can!

Why do we change software so often? Because we can!

Why do other companies with software change their software? Because they can!

What can the poor users do about it? Nothing!


PS: DXER info Site TOTALLY taken down the other day, for , you guessed it, CHANGES AND TOTAL REWRITE!

Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Repeat after me: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!”
Finally someone has some sense around here.

AE7Q
09-20-2007, 01:50 AM
Quote[/b] (KJ6MC @ Sep. 02 2007,18:19)]...

I am going to assume that the base data that QRZ utilizes is freely available and is (taxpayer-supported) public information.

...
That assumption would be false.

It is true for US amateurs (I have a web site that mirrors the FCC data), but the true value of QRZ.com's database is the INTERNATIONAL content.

It's amazing (and gratifying) that Fred keeps QRZ.com going. I have a LOT to say on the current state of amateur radio, but this is not the place to say it.