illegals Illegal immigrants kill 12 daily

[AC4BB]

According to recent report by #World news daily, Illegal Immigrants #kill an average #of 12 Americans each day. #and you thought the MiddleEast,was was #deadly.? The #shooting death of the three New Jersey, college #students a few days #ago has been linked #to a Peruvian, Illegal Immigrant. #Folks the #border situation"Should #Be" a top issue and yet, we have the Illegals #killing on average 12 Americans #a day. #and the #bad thing is #most #don't have #any #sort of traceable records or #identification within the #US, and most of the countries #where the Illegals #are coming from either don't have #accurate criminal records #or #won't share the #info with the #United #States. #For fear they #would have to take #them back into their Jails. #A #huge percentage of the #Violent illegals are like the Mariel boat lift from Cuba, where Fidel Castro,opened #the #jail doors and #shipped #them out on boats and said "If You ever come Back,#You won't need a cell.

And. a lot #of countries #are #providing aid to these #illegals to enter the US & Canada. #And, all they #can say before #was #Thank You, America & #Vincente Fox,and for all the illegal drug dealing that is going on here. Most of it is gangs #that a re #mostly #comprised #of #Illegal immigrants.

[n6hcm]

how many people do legal residents and citizens kill daily?

[oh2gra]

Quote[/b] (n6hcm @ Aug. 11 2007,08:03)]how many people do legal residents and citizens kill daily?
Thank you Henry! I was going to ask that same question myself.

[n2ize]

12 per day comes out to 4380 killed per year by illegal immigrants. #According to the DOJ the approximate number of homicides per year between the years 2000 - 2005 comes out to around 16,000 per year which would mean that about 27% of all the homicides per year in the US are conducted by illegal immigrants. That percentage does seem suspiciously high. Now correlate that with the fact that there are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants present in the USA which would mean that about 4% of the total USA population is comprised of illegal immigrants. It would seem odd that 4% of the USA population is responsible for 27% of the nations murders per year

However considering 12 million illegal immigrants and assuming each day of the year 12 different illegals commit 12 different murders. So each year 4380 of the 12,000,000 illegal immigrants commit murders which comes to a small percentage of the total illegal immigrant population thus the 12 per day murder rate may be feasable. #It also imples that the vast majority of illegals are certainly not murderers.

How about if illegals committ 27% of the annual murders then non-illegals and citizens commit 73% of the annual murders which comes out to about 11680 murders/year which over 365 days/year implies non-illegals and citizens kill about 32 persons per day.

So... we are more likely to be killed by a legal than a illegal but fortunately both are only a small percentage of the entire population and the probability of being murdered (as per 2000-2005) is around 1 in 20000.

Of course for simplicity I am excluding things like location, age group, and other factors .

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And. a lot #of countries #are #providing aid to these #illegals to enter the US & Canada. #And, all they #can say before #was #Thank You, America & #Vincente Fox,and for all the illegal drug dealing that is going on here. Most of it is gangs #that a re #mostly #comprised #of #Illegal immigrants.


All the more reason we need to end drug prohibition and take the massive criminal profit out of the drug trade.

[kc7jty]

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[ka5piu]

Hello.

When the Cuban refugees came to the US, within 3 years the murder rate doubled.
The figures are about right for Texas at this time.

[kc2orw]

Well I doubt the 12 a day number myself but it seems like every quarter of the year some illegal alien kills somebody within the region. Hey sometimes it is just another illegal alien but sometimes not...

[G0GQK]

We have quite a large number of illegal immigrants in Britain. There are estimated to be two million cars on the roads where the drivers do not have insurance for the vehicle, and a high percentage of these vehicles are driven by illegal immigrants. They can't speak English, they can't read English, and maybe don't have a driving license from whence they came.

The buy old cheap cars which shouldn't be on the road, poor brakes and suspensions, fill them to capacity with passengers who also can't speak English and the vehicles do not have MOT's, annual car tests, and quite a number of them have false registration plates.

I hope that I never have an unfortunate chance of bumping into one of these drivers because as far as payment for damage is concerned its "Goodnight Vienna.

There are many European truck drivers passing therough the country from Ireland to the continent, if they have accidents or knock down lamposts they are unable to be traced because our police do not have any way of tracing the vehicles, so they say. What they mean is, its too much trouble.

We have so many Polish truck drivers in Britain that in some parts of the country they are erecting signs in Polish !

The way things are moving most of the people who escape from countries in the world in trucks, under trains etc will be making their way to this small island.

In 50 years time Britain will have football teams competing in the African games because there are so many players from Africa. Shouldn't complain really because I won't be around to have to survive lack of water, hot summers and torrential rain with severe flooding

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[W5JO]

Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ Aug. 10 2007,23:39)]Well I doubt the 12 a day number myself but it seems like every quarter of the year some illegal alien kills somebody within the region. Hey sometimes it is just another illegal alien but sometimes #not...
Someone once stated, "There are three types of lies: #Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. #It is up to you to determine which applies.

Big John quoted 12,000,000 for his basis. #If the true basis is 20,000,000 his final figure is all off, but whatever the number it is something we would not face if we didn't have the illegal immigrants here.

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Aug. 11 2007,14:48)]Quote[/b] (kc2orw @ Aug. 10 2007,23:39)]Well I doubt the 12 a day number myself but it seems like every quarter of the year some illegal alien kills somebody within the region. Hey sometimes it is just another illegal alien but sometimes #not...
Someone once stated, "There are three types of lies: #Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. #It is up to you to determine which applies.

Big John quoted 12,000,000 for his basis. #If the true basis is 20,000,000 his final figure is all off, but whatever the number it is something we would not face if we didn't have the illegal immigrants here.
Actually it's only off by 3% if the population of illegals is indeed 20 million. But, where does the 20 million estimate come from ? The best estimate I could come up with is 12 million. According to the US Census it was estimated that 8 million illegals were residing in the USA in the year 2000. #Could that have increased by 12 million in 7 years ? Possible but it seems unlikely.

Mind the fact that even though I am saying it seems unlikely that 4% of the population is comitting 27% of the annual murders it is not nessesarily improbable. In my second paragraph I point out that assuming that each of the 27% of the annual homicides can be attributed to a different illegal the number of illegals comitting homicides annually amounts to a tiny percentage of the total illegals estimated to reside in the USA, If it's 20 million then it comes to about 0.02% of the total illegal population. If it's 12 million then #0.04%. It seems entirely possible that such a percentage could be criminals and murderers.

Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. #But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small

[W5JO]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,10:03)]Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. #But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small
This statement is correct for sure John. New Jersey killed more people in the first 8 months of 2005 than all of Iraq, according to the crime statistics of the FBI.

So we are more likely to be killed by a native than an immigrant. Dam* locals!

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Aug. 11 2007,16:14)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,10:03)]Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. #But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small
This statement is correct for sure John. #New Jersey killed more people in the first 8 months of 2005 than all of Iraq, according to the crime statistics of the FBI. #

So we are more likely to be killed by a native than an immigrant. #Dam* locals!
According to the DOJ stats there were 417 homicide victims in NJ in 2005. Seems like there is a discrepancy somewhere.

[nx6d]

Nobody noted the obvious...


World Net Daily. Get Real. Those guys are about as credible as Fred Phelps.

Dave NX6D
Tulelake, CA

[K8MHZ]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,11:41)]Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Aug. 11 2007,16:14)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,10:03)]Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. #But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small
This statement is correct for sure John. #New Jersey killed more people in the first 8 months of 2005 than all of Iraq, according to the crime statistics of the FBI. #

So we are more likely to be killed by a native than an immigrant. #Dam* locals!
According to the DOJ stats there were 417 homicide victims in NJ in 2005. Seems like there is a discrepancy somewhere.
Did you count the ones New Jersey killed outside of the state?

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[kc7jty]

Quote[/b] (W5JO @ Aug. 11 2007,14:48)]
Someone once stated, "There are three types of lies: #Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. #It is up to you to determine which applies.
Big John quoted 12,000,000 for his basis. #If the true basis is 20,000,000 his final figure is all off, but whatever the number it is something we would not face if we didn't have the illegal immigrants here.
can I call you by your suffix?

[K3XR]

Sounds like a Jerry Rivers interview.

http://hotair.com/archive....print=1 (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/14/video-geraldo-outrageously-outraged-at-media-coverage-of-newark-illegal-alien-suspect/?print=1)

[ac4ut]

So then it is ok for illegals to kill?
Two wrong do not make a right.
Address each problem separately.
Either problem does not need to be over emphasised on it is own but attempting to redirect the blame does not solve the problem

[N2RJ]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,18:03)]Actually it's only off by 3% if the population of illegals is indeed 20 million. But, where does the 20 million estimate come from ? The best estimate I could come up with is 12 million. According to the US Census it was estimated that 8 million illegals were residing in the USA in the year 2000. Could that have increased by 12 million in 7 years ? Possible but it seems unlikely.
I think it's a combination of not realizing how many illegals are here, illegals becoming more brave realizing that they have nothing to fear and an actual increase in the numbers of illegals due to various proposed amnesties, sanctuary cities and other pro-illegal alien actions.

BTW, I see you're using the correct word, illegal, and not undocumented.

Good work and keep it up, John!

Quote[/b] ]Mind the fact that even though I am saying it seems unlikely that 4% of the population is comitting 27% of the annual murders it is not nessesarily improbable. In my second paragraph I point out that assuming that each of the 27% of the annual homicides can be attributed to a different illegal the number of illegals comitting homicides annually amounts to a tiny percentage of the total illegals estimated to reside in the USA, If it's 20 million then it comes to about 0.02% of the total illegal population. If it's 12 million then 0.04%. It seems entirely possible that such a percentage could be criminals and murderers.

Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small.

Well, common sense would tell you that if illegals are committing 27% of the homicides, regardless of what percentage of illegals are doing it, if we remove the illegals (who are not supposed to be here anyway) we kill two birds with one stone, no?

[n2ize]

Quote[/b] (N2RJ @ Aug. 15 2007,07:54)]Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 11 2007,18:03)]Actually it's only off by 3% if the population of illegals is indeed 20 million. But, where does the 20 million estimate come from ? The best estimate I could come up with is 12 million. According to the US Census it was estimated that 8 million illegals were residing in the USA in the year 2000. #Could that have increased by 12 million in 7 years ? Possible but it seems unlikely.
I think it's a combination of not realizing how many illegals are here, illegals becoming more brave realizing that they have nothing to fear and an actual increase in the numbers of illegals due to various proposed amnesties, sanctuary cities and other pro-illegal alien actions.

BTW, I see you're using the correct word, illegal, and not undocumented.

Good work and keep it up, John!

Quote[/b] ]Mind the fact that even though I am saying it seems unlikely that 4% of the population is comitting 27% of the annual murders it is not nessesarily improbable. In my second paragraph I point out that assuming that each of the 27% of the annual homicides can be attributed to a different illegal the number of illegals comitting homicides annually amounts to a tiny percentage of the total illegals estimated to reside in the USA, If it's 20 million then it comes to about 0.02% of the total illegal population. If it's 12 million then #0.04%. It seems entirely possible that such a percentage could be criminals and murderers.

Still, one is more likely to be murdered by a legal resident than an illegal resident. #But for reassurance the probability of being murdered by either remains quite small.

Well, common sense would tell you that if illegals are committing 27% of the homicides, regardless of what percentage of illegals are doing it, if we remove the illegals (who are not supposed to be here anyway) we kill two birds with one stone, no?
The question is it 4% of the populous committing 27% of the murders ? I think the main point is that the enormous majority of illegals are not killers. The killing minority is so miniscule even if we assume that each individual murder is committed by a unique illegal.

I call them "illegals" strictly for identification purposes. I don;t like the word "illegal" because I don't belive anyone can be "illegal". There is no ushc thin as an "illegal person".

For every illegal we remove another enter and many we remove will re-enter. That is in part the price we pay for freedom. Fences between the USA and Mexico won't change that. We either have to deal with the problem at it's roots, and accept that we will always have some illegals or, become a total police state and still accept that we will always have some illegals.

[al2i]

Quote[/b] (n2ize @ Aug. 10 2007,23:44)]12 per day comes out to 4380 killed per year by illegal immigrants. #According to the DOJ the approximate number of homicides per year between the years 2000 - 2005 comes out to around 16,000 per year which would mean that about 27%...
Crikey! I love it when you start mathing off like that! Do it more often! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif