Disgraceful behavior by HAMS on 29.085

[NN4RH]

I'm listening to several people - presumably hams - sending CW over some CBers at 28.085. Sending series of dits and dahs, sweeping their frequency up and down, sending "NO CBERS", "TRUCKERS SUCK" and so on.

I do not have a problem with them QRMing the illegal CBers.

However - hams DO need to follow the Part 97 Rules concerning one-way transmissions and proper identification.

If they're breaking rules themselves, sending illegal one-way transmissions, and not identifying, then they're no better than the "truckers" they're trying to interfere with.


{Edit - the title should read "28.085" not "29.085"}

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ July 29 2007,11:46)]I'm listening to several people - presumably hams - sending CW over some CBers at 28.085. Sending series of dits and dahs, sweeping their frequency up and down, sending "NO CBERS", "TRUCKERS SUCK" and so on.

I do not have a problem with them QRMing the illegal CBers.

However - hams DO need to follow the Part 97 Rules concerning one-way transmissions and proper identification.

If they're breaking rules themselves, sending illegal one-way transmissions, and not identifying, then they're no better than the "truckers" they're trying to interfere with.
Yeah, I heard some of that. My method of making my presence known was to tune down to 28.084, issue a QRL? a number of times, than started calling CQ (on cw, of course). I was hoping that some of the hams acting just like the CB'rs would have dialed down and answered my CQ calls, but they seemed content to just be lids.

I also called CQ on 28.050 and 28.160, looking for all the new CW operators I've been hearing about. No takers anywhere.

I noted a very high activity level on 10 meter SSB at the same time, with very strong signals across the band.

What else would we expect when 28.000 - 28.200 is basically unused spectrum? Somebody's gonna use it.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif question ----- How do you KNOW for sure that the stations are truckers ? 4 wheelers also use the frequency. , along with folks driving doolies, motorcycles, and even potentially bicycles .

You need to be SURE that the illegally transmitting station is a trucker ( 18 wheeler, or a pick up truck driver ) before you go lumping all the transmitting stations into one catergory.

After all, even every one that you hear on cb channel 19 is NOT a 18 wheel truck driver.

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ July 29 2007,12:11)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif question ----- How do you KNOW for sure that the stations are truckers ? 4 wheelers also use the frequency. , along with folks driving doolies, motorcycles, and even potentially bicycles .

You need to be SURE that the illegally transmitting station is a trucker ( 18 wheeler, or a pick up truck driver ) before you go lumping all the transmitting stations into one catergory.

After all, even every one that you hear on cb channel 19 is NOT a 18 wheel truck driver.
I sincerely hope your post wasn't directed towards my reply. I implied nothing concerning anything but the behavior of hams on that frequency.

I called QRL several times before I started calling CQ, and never heard anyone say that the frequency was busy, in any mode.

Additionally, I listened to the AM chatter on 28.085 before turning the rig off, and in this case, at least what I was hearing was indeed truck drivers. As to how many wheels they had under carriage, I haven't a clue. One repeatedly indicated his progress along "state route 19" a number of times, and that he would be happy when he could drop off his F*****g load. Interesting adjective. It was my impression that loads could be light or heavy, but not sexually active.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Also...just because they were using C W does NOT mean that they were amateur radio operators....did any one copy any FCC call signs being sent via C W ? :rock:

[ad4mg]

Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ July 29 2007,12:23)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Also...just because they were using C W does NOT mean that they were amateur radio operators....did any one copy any FCC call signs being sent via C W ? :rock:
You have a vivid imagination, and not nearly enough to do, Robert.

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ July 29 2007,08:46)]I'm listening to several people - presumably hams - sending CW over some CBers at 28.085. Sending series of dits and dahs, sweeping their frequency up and down, sending "NO CBERS", "TRUCKERS SUCK" and so on.

I do not have a problem with them QRMing the illegal CBers.

However - hams DO need to follow the Part 97 Rules concerning one-way transmissions and proper identification.

If they're breaking rules themselves, sending illegal one-way transmissions, and not identifying, then they're no better than the "truckers" they're trying to interfere with.


{Edit - the title should read "28.085" not "29.085"}
I think these guys must have a few rocks in their rose garden. (and their heads.) Do they seriously believe those truckers are copying "TRUCKERS SUCK?" What a waste of semi-thought processes, besides being stupid, illegal, and just CBers on CW. Probably they are using keyboards to send it with anyway. They are increasing the CB aspect of lower 10 meters, not decreasing it.

Ed

[N8CPA]

Ed, I don't think they think about it. There's no longer a need to know code. They just type it--ASCII in, IMC out.

[kb2vxa]

This nonsense is no worse than a few years ago when New York taxis were using the same group of frequencies. One supposed ham was sending NO CB in FSK Morse continually for hours on end on a daily basis for months.

There's no excuse for "intelligent" hams to behave so badly in violation of the rules no less ESPECIALLY when IMO the very same ones call CBers brainless. There are WAYS of driving them off LEGALLY and in fine style, roses CAN grow in a pile of poop and come up smelling like roses.

Riley is right and thankfully a few actually interpreted him correctly.

[KM5FL]

Quote[/b] (ad4mg @ July 29 2007,10:25)]Quote[/b] (ai4ep @ July 29 2007,12:23)]http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif # Also...just because they were using C W does NOT mean that they were amateur radio operators....did any one copy any FCC call signs being sent via C W ? # # :rock:
You have a vivid imagination, and not nearly enough to do, Robert.
Robert has plenty to do, and his threefold job is very demanding.

(1) He had to take lots of special training in order to be an expert at defending all those illegal operators..

(2) He has to continually come up with witty http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif posts..

(3) He has to do all this and still maintain his goal of reaching 12,000 posts...

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KM5FL

[KD6NIG]

Not surprising to hear this though.

Come on, you know that when there is some rare DX out there, they are the ones sending UP UP LID LID etc.

No big DXpedition right now, so they have found another calling?

[WA9SVD]

Robert DOES make one good point: Don't assume the AM or SSB operators on 28.085 are truckers; call them what they are:
ILLEGAL OPERATORS. It doesn't matter what their avocation, vocation, or occupation may be. they're still ILLEGAL OPERATORS first and foremost. Donb't even give them the dignity of calling them CB'ers.

And according to Riley Hollingsworth, there is nothing wrong with calling QRL? then CQ (WITH ID) on CW on 28.08499 MHz.

[ai4ep]

...it must be against the rules to ask simple questions here on this thread.

every one else #who reads this thread rememeber NOT ( I repeat ) not to ask any type of question...just take the posts at face value, and that you also need to remember that this IS the internet, and to remember the face value OF that simple point.

Laughter is ok, too. ..regardless of the unhappy faces of others.

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[k0dxc]

You are very right hams should not be interfering with cbers or even truckers. Comon you guys you shouldn't be making stupid decisions when representing the whole ham community.

[KE5FRF]

Last week I heard freebander activity on the very frequency you said, echomike, rogerbeep and all.

I tuned up on the frequency and called QRL? and then proceeded to call CQ. I called CQ over, and over, and over again. I even played with my CQ, saying "CQ CQ CQ de KE5FRF calling CQ over illegal CB freebanders CQ CQ CQ lets drive the illiegal freebanders off the frequency"

Hey, maybe I'm a lid for doing that but I struck up two QSOs.

I agree that one way broadcasting is illegal and wrong. But I will disagree with anyone that says that we are creating intentional interfernce. I fall on the side that by definition intentional interference only applies when legal operations are being interfered with. On ten meters hams are sole users, no other service is licensed in our band, so the only ops that can be interfered with are legal ops.

This just popped another reason for why CW knowledge IS important for all hams. Phone operation is illegal in that portion of the band. What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs. My only option would be CW, but what if he doesn't understand code? The op may be unaware that he is off frequency. It might be an honest mistake on his part, but I have no legal way of informing him if he doesn't speak the language. Just another example.

[NN4RH]

Quote[/b] ]Hey, maybe I'm a lid for doing that

No. For one thing, you identified. The clowns on frequency today were not identifying.

Secondly, there are plenty of ways legal ways to occupy a frequency. Part 97 lists them. Have a QSO with someone else. Call CQ. Send Code Practice. Send information bulletins.

I don't think sending long strings of dits, sweeping frequency, sending "truckers suck" and so on, all without identifying, is what Part 97 regulations concerning authorized one-way transmissions are intended for.

As I stated clearly in my opening post, I don't care about any interference to the CBers operating illegally on 10 meters. Have a ball doing it for all I care. BUT DO IT LEGALLY. Otherwise we're no better than they are. Worse, actually, since we're licensed and should know better than ignore the regulations.

[NN4RH]

Quote[/b] ]What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs.

Yes of course it would be illegal.

Quote[/b] ]My only option would be CW, but what if he doesn't understand code? The op may be unaware that he is off frequency. It might be an honest mistake on his part, . . .

It takes two to have a QSO. Both of the parties would be violating the rules in your example. Two guys making an "honest mistakes" simultaneously? Much more likely that it's deliberate. And if you keyed your mic to talk to them, that'd be three deliberate violations.

If was somehow an "honest mistake" then more than likely if they heard your CW on frequency, even if they did not understand it, they'd get the point - or at least wonder why there's CW where they're at. #

Quote[/b] ] . . . but I have no legal way of informing him if he doesn't speak the language.

Here's several "legal" ways of informing them:

Look him up on eham or the ULS and send him an email if he has an email address. Otherwise, send him a postcard.

Me, I'd be inclined to send an e-mail to Riley Hollingsworth with the callsigns of both offenders, and let him explain to them what the problem is.

[ne3r]

Seriously, why not call CQ? #Are they afraid of actually having a QSO? #That is what I do, CQ CQ CQ RTTY RTTY DE NE3R NE3R NE3R K. #The best part is I make QSOs that way. #I'll probably work all states on 10 meter RTTY before any other mode, heck, maybe before any other band!

I simply act as if they aren't there and go about my business.

73 de Joe NE3R

[KE5FRF]

[QUOTE]What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs.


Dumb question. I'm surprised you'd even ask such a question Heath, Yes of course it would be illegal. Read Part 97. It lists the mode/frequency priviledges.


Reread my post. I didn't say "Would I", ....I said, "I would"...I wasn't asking a question, I was making a statement. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[NN4RH]

[QUOTE=Quote ]What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs. #


Dumb question. I'm surprised you'd even ask such a question Heath, Yes of course it would be illegal. Read Part 97. It lists the mode/frequency priviledges.


Reread my post. I didn't say "Would I", ....I said, "I would"...I wasn't asking a question, I was making a statement. #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
OK. Sorry. I misread. I'll edit.

[wa9cwx]

So what's the prob...?

You elitists are against a simple friendly QSO with someone who just hasn't had time to upgrade yet?

They may not have the 'all important' ham ticket but hey, they are HUMAN, and using radios, just draw them IN, not exclude them with hostility.

These are radio hobby brothers, our bretheren kin, who, but for a simple piece of paper, are the same as us.

Welcome them, and don't be so uppity as to insult them, and use your so called 'Ham call', or whatever.
Just talk to them like real people, in the original spirit of this hobby !

I just can't get over how some of you think that just because YOU got a piece of paper, EVERYONE needs the same paper!

Sounds like Jealousy to ME !!

Get OVER it, radio is radio, this whole license thing has just gotten out of control, can't we all just get along ??

[KA4DPO]

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ July 29 2007,19:39)]So what's the prob...?

You elitists are against a simple friendly QSO with someone who just hasn't had time to upgrade yet?

They may not have the 'all important' ham ticket but hey, they are HUMAN, and using radios, just draw them IN, not exclude them #with hostility.

These are radio hobby brothers, our bretheren kin, who, but for a simple piece of paper, are the same as us.

Welcome them, and don't be so uppity as to insult them, and use your so called 'Ham call', or whatever.
Just talk to them like real people, in the original spirit of this hobby !

I just can't get over how some of you think that just because YOU got a piece of paper, EVERYONE needs the same paper!

Sounds like Jealousy to ME !!

Get OVER it, radio is radio, this whole license thing has just gotten out of control, can't we all just get along ??
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[k4kyv]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,18:33)]Don't assume the AM or SSB operators on 28.085 are truckers; call them what they are:
ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
Not necessarily. Most countries of the world do not have restricted mode subbands in their amateur bands like we do here in the US. So don't just automatically assume any station below 28.300 using AM or SSB is a bootlegger.

Could be Canadian hams. Or if speaking Spanish, from some country south of the border.

Before attempting to "jam a CB'er", listen to the conversation first to make sure it is not a legitimate ham conversation.

Just today I was monitoring a conversation higher up in the band and I was positive it was a couple of CB'ers talking until they signed with their amateur callsigns.

[KE5FRF]

Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ July 29 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,18:33)]Don't assume the AM or SSB operators on 28.085 are truckers; call them what they are:
# #ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
Not necessarily. Most countries of the world do not have restricted mode subbands in their amateur bands like we do here in the US. #So don't just automatically assume any station below 28.300 using AM or SSB is a bootlegger.

Could be Canadian hams. #Or if speaking Spanish, from some country south of the border.

Before attempting to "jam a CB'er", listen to the conversation first to make sure it is not a legitimate ham conversation.

Just today I was monitoring a conversation higher up in the band and I was positive it was a couple of CB'ers talking until they signed with their amateur callsigns.
This may be true, and I have definately heard some foreign language (Spanish) AM down there on 10 meters. Since I can't understand the language except for bits and pieces, I take the high road and "assume" that they are legit. However, when I hear an English speaking AM signal on 28.085 (which is DEFINATLEY one of them thar "extree channels") and there is echo-reverb or if I hear "rogee" or " 'ats a big fo" or "how 'bout it (insert handle)"....I think its a pretty fair bet that the signal is illegal.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif --- so in simple terms, just use old fashioned COMMON SENSE, which apparently is increasingly rare, these days.

simple & to the point

[kd5kfl]

Quote[/b] ]question #----- How do you KNOW for sure that the stations are truckers ? #4 wheelers also use the frequency. , along with folks driving doolies, motorcycles, and even potentially bicycles .

You need to be SURE that the illegally transmitting station is a trucker ( 18 wheeler, or a pick up truck driver ) before you go lumping all the transmitting stations into one catergory.

After all, even every one that you hear on cb channel 19 is NOT a 18 wheel truck driver.

In most of the southwest, 90% of the people you see in cowboy hats are "all hat and no cattle" cowboys. They think a Gurnsey is a new model from Porsche. Wouldn't know which end is moo and which end is milk. Despite their abject ignorance of cattle, they proclaim themselves cowboys. They talk in what they claim is a cowboy accent, which originated in the country music world, not the cattle herding world ( real New Mexico cowboys mumble ). Cultural rather than factual cowboys.

Perhaps when posters at QRZ refer to the CB interlopers as truckers, they mean it in a cultural rather than a factual sense. People who believe having a mike in hand requires a southern accent and making noises suitable for calling hogs. Behaving like the rural American southern folks in the Cotton Eyed Joe music video, who are in fact from Sweden.

Truckers in the sense that they behave like the popular perception of truckers, brought to us by film and television. Not truckers in the sense that they know how to operate a truck.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif ...if you listen long enough, you will undoubtably hear some YANKEE stations who are not all that smart.

But you just have to listen .

with an open mind.

THAT part may be the challenge.

[VE7DCW]

to quote k4kyv:

" Could be Canadian hams. Or if speaking Spanish, from some country south of the border."

In Canada we do follow the RAC bandplan which allows CW and digital modes from 28.000 mhz to 28.200 mhz.I'll agree we have our share of illegal good buddies that will pop up on frequencies that are only available to a licensed ham but pretty well every op here i know respects the bandplan as is. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


73

[W5HTW]

Quote[/b] (kd5kfl @ July 29 2007,18:26)]Quote[/b] ]question ----- How do you KNOW for sure that the stations are truckers ? 4 wheelers also use the frequency. , along with folks driving doolies, motorcycles, and even potentially bicycles .

You need to be SURE that the illegally transmitting station is a trucker ( 18 wheeler, or a pick up truck driver ) before you go lumping all the transmitting stations into one catergory.

After all, even every one that you hear on cb channel 19 is NOT a 18 wheel truck driver.

In most of the southwest, 90% of the people you see in cowboy hats are "all hat and no cattle" cowboys. They think a Gurnsey is a new model from Porsche. Wouldn't know which end is moo and which end is milk. Despite their abject ignorance of cattle, they proclaim themselves cowboys. They talk in what they claim is a cowboy accent, which originated in the country music world, not the cattle herding world ( real New Mexico cowboys mumble ). Cultural rather than factual cowboys.

Perhaps when posters at QRZ refer to the CB interlopers as truckers, they mean it in a cultural rather than a factual sense. People who believe having a mike in hand requires a southern accent and making noises suitable for calling hogs. Behaving like the rural American southern folks in the Cotton Eyed Joe music video, who are in fact from Sweden.

Truckers in the sense that they behave like the popular perception of truckers, brought to us by film and television. Not truckers in the sense that they know how to operate a truck.
I'm glad you qualified that!! I live around, and know, numerous real cowboys. Ain't no drugstores around here. Plenty of cattle. They attend church by riding in a pickup, towing their horse trailer with the saddled horses, and they try not to let their spurs make noise that will distract the preacher. The slip into town with six or eight branding ties hanging from their belts, and they don't remove their sweat stained hats while eating. They work at night pulling calves, and in the day fixing windmills, welding irrigation pipe, branding strays, and pulling barbed wire.

About four times a year they have a cattle drive that goes right by my window (and occasionally spills into my lane) as they herd cattle only about five miles to a different range. Real cowboys, real cattle, real horses, real cattle drives.

And they use CB radio, too! But no "handles." No ten codes. Just: "Joe did you shut off that nitrogen valve over on number four?" "Yeah, Bill I shut it down about an hour ago." "OK, go over to see Dave at section 15. He's got some heifers over there to run on home. Give him a hand."

I'm sure none of them have ever heard of ham radio, and I'm sure glad they don't find out about it and start using it instead.

But their accents are "plumb darned real." Eastern NM and western Texas are pretty much the same in accent. And the size of the ranches, too. A bit twangy, and sometimes hard to understand, especially the over-60 folk. No fake accents out here, though you sure can tell when an Okie wanders in from the cold. As they have long said in NM, "Happiness is a Texan headed east with an Okie under each arm."

Most of what I have heard on 28.085 is identifiable as truckers simply because they are talking about trucks - big trucks - Peterbuilts, Kenworths - and loads to here, from there, truck brokers, fuel prices, and truck taxes. They use colorful language. Most of them have never heard of ham radio, and have not the faintest idea what frequency in kilohertz they are on. They are simply on "thet thar old Extry channel" and they don't know where it is or what it is. They neither know nor care that they are illegal. The call our CW "beepers" and haven't the foggiest idea who or what we are. And they don't care. They just want us off their "Channel 40-C " The "Extry channels."


Ed

[kc6toa]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 29 2007,14:37)]What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs.

Dumb question. I'm surprised you'd even ask such a question Heath, Yes of course it would be illegal. Read Part 97. It lists the mode/frequency priviledges.
indeed it is true. In case anybody is wondering its defined in §97.305©

And K4KYV said it right, k4kyv "Most countries of the world do not ave restricted mode subbands in their amateur bands like we do here in the US."

Think about this: swap the 10 meter band-plan. Trade the 29.0->29.2MHz allocation with 28.0->28.2MHz. That way we can have legal AM ragchews on 28.085, and put the cw/rtty stuff on 29MHz. It's all under-used anyways, just a thought.

Those truckers would be listening to ham conversations on them thar extry channels.

[n9dsj]

Quote[/b] (W5HTW @ July 29 2007,19:15)]Quote[/b] (kd5kfl @ July 29 2007,18:26)]Quote[/b] ]question #----- How do you KNOW for sure that the stations are truckers ? #4 wheelers also use the frequency. , along with folks driving doolies, motorcycles, and even potentially bicycles .

You need to be SURE that the illegally transmitting station is a trucker ( 18 wheeler, or a pick up truck driver ) before you go lumping all the transmitting stations into one catergory.

After all, even every one that you hear on cb channel 19 is NOT a 18 wheel truck driver.

In most of the southwest, 90% of the people you see in cowboy hats are "all hat and no cattle" cowboys. They think a Gurnsey is a new model from Porsche. Wouldn't know which end is moo and which end is milk. Despite their abject ignorance of cattle, they proclaim themselves cowboys. They talk in what they claim is a cowboy accent, which originated in the country music world, not the cattle herding world ( real New Mexico cowboys mumble ). Cultural rather than factual cowboys.

Perhaps when posters at QRZ refer to the CB interlopers as truckers, they mean it in a cultural rather than a factual sense. People who believe having a mike in hand requires a southern accent and making noises suitable for calling hogs. Behaving like the rural American southern folks in the Cotton Eyed Joe music video, who are in fact from Sweden.

Truckers in the sense that they behave like the popular perception of truckers, brought to us by film and television. Not truckers in the sense that they know how to operate a truck.
I'm glad you qualified that!! #I live around, and know, numerous real cowboys. #Ain't no drugstores around here. #Plenty of cattle. #They attend church by riding in a pickup, towing their horse trailer with the saddled horses, and they try not to let their spurs make noise that will distract the preacher. #The slip into town with six or eight branding ties hanging from their belts, and they don't remove their sweat stained hats while eating. #They work at night pulling calves, and in the day fixing windmills, welding irrigation pipe, branding strays, and pulling barbed wire. #

About four times a year they have a cattle drive that goes right by my window (and occasionally spills into my lane) as they herd cattle only about five miles to a different range. #Real cowboys, real cattle, real horses, real cattle drives. #

And they use CB radio, too! #But no "handles." #No ten codes. #Just: #"Joe did you shut off that nitrogen valve over on number four?" #"Yeah, Bill I shut it down about an hour ago." #"OK, go over to see Dave at section 15. #He's got some heifers over there to run on home. #Give him a hand."

I'm sure none of them have ever heard of ham radio, and I'm sure glad they don't find out about it and start using it instead. #

But their accents are "plumb darned real." #Eastern NM and western Texas are pretty much the same in accent. #And the size of the ranches, too. A bit twangy, and sometimes hard to understand, especially the over-60 folk. #No fake accents out here, though you sure can tell when an Okie wanders in from the cold. #As they have long said in NM, "Happiness is a Texan headed east with an Okie under each arm." #

Most of what I have heard on 28.085 is identifiable as truckers simply because they are talking about trucks - big trucks - Peterbuilts, Kenworths - and loads to here, from there, truck brokers, fuel prices, and truck taxes. #They use colorful language. #Most of them have never heard of ham radio, and have not the faintest idea what frequency in kilohertz they are on. They are simply on "thet thar old Extry channel" and they don't know where it is or what it is. #They neither know nor care that they are illegal. #The call our CW "beepers" and haven't the foggiest idea who or what we are. #And they don't care. #They just want us off their "Channel 40-C " #The "Extry channels." #


Ed
Agree that most do not know..they pay good money and the radio has "extra channels" (easy to discern the root of this problem). Heard some of the mess on 28.085 today, tried to make a cw contact there but between the jammers-of-unknown-origin and the am traffic it was a rough go.

Hard to decide who was more lame at times....but one group knew they were lame....

Thanks for the 6 meter contact though http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

73,

Bill N9DSJ

[n9dsj]

oppps...sorry Ed, W5HTW, was a similar call I worked on 6 meters earlier..other comments remain.

73,

Bill N9DSJ

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (VE7DCW @ July 29 2007,21:57)]to quote k4kyv:

" Could be Canadian hams. Or if speaking Spanish, from some country south of the border."

In Canada we do follow the RAC bandplan which allows CW and digital modes from 28.000 mhz to 28.200 mhz.I'll agree we have our share of illegal good buddies that will pop up on frequencies that are only available to a licensed ham but pretty well every op here i know respects the bandplan as is. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


73
It's a gentlemen's agreement band plan, a set of recommendations from the amateur radio club (RAC), it's certainly not the law.
I can go have a QSO on SSB at 28085 and I will not be breaking any law. Of course, when strong band openings occurs, it's better that everybody aligns on a band plan.

[KC5SAS]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
# #ILLEGAL OPERATORS. #
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? #I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.

[wa9cwx]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ July 28 2007,21:27)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
# #ILLEGAL OPERATORS. #
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? #I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.
[QUOTE]

NOW you've got the spirit !!

LONG LIVE PC.

Frank http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 29 2007,13:37)]Last week I heard freebander activity on the very frequency you said, echomike, rogerbeep and all.

I tuned up on the frequency and called QRL? and then proceeded to call CQ. I called CQ over, and over, and over again. I even played with my CQ, saying "CQ CQ CQ de KE5FRF calling CQ over illegal CB freebanders CQ CQ CQ lets drive the illiegal freebanders off the frequency"

Hey, maybe I'm a lid for doing that but I struck up two QSOs.

I agree that one way broadcasting is illegal and wrong. But I will disagree with anyone that says that we are creating intentional interfernce. I fall on the side that by definition intentional interference only applies when legal operations are being interfered with. On ten meters hams are sole users, no other service is licensed in our band, so the only ops that can be interfered with are legal ops.

This just popped another reason for why CW knowledge IS important for all hams. Phone operation is illegal in that portion of the band. What if I discovered a licensed ham having a phone QSO on these frequencies? I would be illegal if I transmitted AM or SSB on this part of the band to inform him what he is doing is against regs. My only option would be CW, but what if he doesn't understand code? The op may be unaware that he is off frequency. It might be an honest mistake on his part, but I have no legal way of informing him if he doesn't speak the language. Just another example.
Heath:

By STRICT interpretation, we may be right about "intentional interference," but our opinion or interpretation doesn't overrule the FCC's current policy.
The current FCC administration (i.e. Mr. Hollingsworth) has suggested, even approved of transmitting on the same frequency as illegal operators on 10 Meters.
THAT is the opinion and modus operandi of the Enforcement Bureau at the present time.
Calling CQ (after a courtesy "QRL") is NOT considered a "one way transmission," and IS permitted by §Part 97 if proper ID is made after each "transmission" or every 10 minutes. Obviously, in a series of such "transmissions," it would be necessary to standby for at least a few seconds to await a possible REPLY to that "CQ".

But again, on 10 Meters, other countries have different regulations, and some DO allow 'phone operation in U.S. CW or CW/data portions of the band. We can't expect hams in other countries to acquiesce to our FC's "band plan" any more than we can or should expect U.S. Amateurs to follow band plans or other restrictions in other nations, at least while the U.S. operators are operating in U.S. territories.

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ July 29 2007,20:27)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.
Well, &&%$&^$%&%$& your "PC" labels! I call a spade a "triangularly shaped digging implement." http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif


Ouch. I bit my tongue several times trying to keep it in my cheek on that! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

No, really. They are Illegal operators, and that's all the description needed. Calling them "undocumented" is likely to get some "amnesty" group trying to get them legitimate "refugee" status. They're welcome to be "guest" donors to the U.S. Treasury via NAL's from the FCC!

[VE7NOT]

Quote[/b] (KE5FRF @ July 29 2007,17:13)]Quote[/b] (k4kyv @ July 29 2007,20:04)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,18:33)]Don't assume the AM or SSB operators on 28.085 are truckers; call them what they are:
ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
Not necessarily. Most countries of the world do not have restricted mode subbands in their amateur bands like we do here in the US. So don't just automatically assume any station below 28.300 using AM or SSB is a bootlegger.

Could be Canadian hams. Or if speaking Spanish, from some country south of the border.

Before attempting to "jam a CB'er", listen to the conversation first to make sure it is not a legitimate ham conversation.

Just today I was monitoring a conversation higher up in the band and I was positive it was a couple of CB'ers talking until they signed with their amateur callsigns.
This may be true, and I have definately heard some foreign language (Spanish) AM down there on 10 meters. Since I can't understand the language except for bits and pieces, I take the high road and "assume" that they are legit. However, when I hear an English speaking AM signal on 28.085 (which is DEFINATLEY one of them thar "extree channels") and there is echo-reverb or if I hear "rogee" or " 'ats a big fo" or "how 'bout it (insert handle)"....I think its a pretty fair bet that the signal is illegal.
Okay Heath here is some fact on Spainish speaking 11m/10m ops.

1. When I was in Mexico (Baja) a few times the taxis ran channel 3 am with 150w to 300w amps for business.

2. In Brazil there are reports that the cb and 10m band are used commercially.

3. You know those 'export rigs' you make fun of. Guess who buys them beside trucker in truck stops? Yep third world countries.. Like central america.

4. Mexicans that live in the US commonly use 11m for talking to their relatives in mexico. (quite easy now with E-skip) Oh yes try 27.615 lsb.

5. Not everyone cares about 10m. I know central america and the islands use 10m for military.

6. The illegal US ops brought a radio (most of which are crap) that has many bands. 28.085 is a bad one and I suggested elsewhere try 28.065 too. 2 bands up. After the sunspots come back this won't be a problem though and 10m will be filled with hams.

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif But do not worry or have great concern that the FCC will actually DO any thing about the situation.

Sure they may go visit " tom & jerry cb / massage parlor " and get about 20 - 50 of the 10 meter rigs, but that is about it.

whoopeedoo http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

Just a drop in the bucket of the nationwide total daily sales . If a rig breaks, the owner will go buy another one...no big deal.

And yes, 4 wheelers are increasingly using these rigs, thanks to the trucking industry helping to promote the use of this item. Just like back in the early 1970 s when every one HAD to have a 23 channel cb , now folks have to have a rig with all those " extra channels " to keep up with the truckers, who really do NOT want all those infernal 4 wheelers even LISTENING to them talk on those " extra channels ", much less even talking to them. But they ARE there....those infernal trashy sounding 4 wheelers.

But the FCC aint gonna do any thing...if any thing the next move by the FCC will be to combine cb and amateur into one group, and open up from about 26 - 30 Mhz for a kind of " free band " ...just you wait and see !! It may even happen before Mr. Bush gets moved out of the white house.

Yep, all that keeps some cb operators from being an amateur radio operator is a simple sheet of paper.

But then, YOU already knew all of this, didnt ya ? ...and if you did not know it, well, you do now. Go back and read all of this post again & again till you memorize it word-for-word...or better yet, print it and hang it proudly on your wall, right by your framed amateur call sign paperwork ( license ).

git 'er done !!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[ab9lz]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,22:40)]# #Calling CQ (after a courtesy "QRL") is NOT considered a "one way transmission," and IS permitted by §Part 97 if proper ID is made after each "transmission" or every 10 minutes. #Obviously, in a series of such "transmissions," it would be necessary to standby for at least a few seconds to await a possible REPLY to that "CQ".
I heard that very thing on 085, answered the guy (probably much to his surprise) and had a nice NC to TX 10 meter CW qso, I opened the filters so I could here the truckers complaining.... but they stopped after a while.

Maybe 085 is the new CW calling freq on 10, how about it guys?

73 m/3

[k0cmh]

It is pretty darn easy to identify those illegally using 28.085, etc. Come on, we all know what the CBers and free banders sound like when they operate illegally, and parts of their conversations confirm who/what they are.

I myself have engaged in QSOs on 28.085 for the purpose of "protecting" the band. And I read the statements may by Mr. H about not worrying about enforcement actions if transmitting on or over an illegal transmission on the Ham frequencies.

So, when I happen to hear that trash on 10 meters, I do stop, call CQ and hopefully get a CW QSO going.

I do use "Ham Legal" operating practices, that is, doing the "QRL thing, proper methods of calling CQ, proper identification, etc.

I admit that I am particularly interested in identifying in the slim hope that one of those illegal operators will write the FCC complaining about my "interference". That would be sweet justice.

I do think we need to actively protect our portion of the spectrum. I think Mr. H's comments reflect the current FCC situation and thinking about how out-of-control some of the CBers and Free Banders and Pirates are. AND NOT I SAID "SOME OF" -- NOT CONDEMING ALL.

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (k0cmh @ July 30 2007,11:14)]It is pretty darn easy to identify those illegally using 28.085, etc. Come on, we all know what the CBers and free banders sound like when they operate illegally, and parts of their conversations confirm who/what they are.
Oh really? You should be surprised to hear some freebanders that sound more "ham" than some of us... and vice-versa.

[N8CPA]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ July 29 2007,23:27)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
# #ILLEGAL OPERATORS. #
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? #I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.
Well, I'll be politically correct then. I won't call them bas7&&s. I shall henceforth refer to them as persons of undocumented sireage.

And they do not legally exist on AR. They are as relevant as atmospheric noise if licensed hams want to use the frequency.

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (N8CPA @ July 30 2007,09:55)]Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ July 29 2007,23:27)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
# #ILLEGAL OPERATORS. #
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? #I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.
Well, I'll be politically correct then. #I won't call them bas7&&s. #I shall henceforth refer to them as persons of undocumented sireage.

And they do not legally exist on AR. #They are as relevant as atmospheric noise if licensed hams want to use the frequency.


What I hear is, "Tan fer thar, drivah, ah know you rah't(echo, echo) BEEEP! Ah jist come down from ole Shakey town hammer down, southbound an' goin' ta da #f&&kin' house, uh-rog-O? #BEEEP!" #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif #(a b-----d is a b-----d is a lowlife b-----d no matter HOW you say it! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif # If it has bouncy, echo-ey, "trucky-sounding" audio, uses cutesy, chicken band lingo, talks about trucks, deliveries, the lousy dispatcher he's got. what road he's on, where he's going, and uses the "F" word every 5th word.....................um, whatcha think? It must be....................a TRUCK!

Now, before we circle the wagons all indignant at me, this does not apply to regular, hardworking drivers who use a CB radio: #I use a legal CB radio in my part time job as a courier. I happen to know some very nice, professional drivers as courteous and clean as you'd ever see! #But those questionably competent
frequency filchers AND the dealers (SOME of who ARE hams, btw!) who promote them, the above is kind compared to what I REALLY think of them! #About the same I think of them if I found one of them parked in my living room! # KA-BOOOOOM!!!!!! #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

73

[ac3p]

Quote[/b] ]One repeatedly indicated his progress along "state route 19" a number of times, and that he would be happy when he could drop off his F*****g load. #Interesting adjective.

Maybe a participle. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (NN4RH @ July 29 2007,14:31)]Quote[/b] ]My only option would be CW, but what if he doesn't understand code? The op may be unaware that he is off frequency. It might be an honest mistake on his part, . . .

It takes two to have a QSO. Both of the parties would be violating the rules in your example. Two guys making an "honest mistakes" simultaneously? Much more likely that it's deliberate. And if you keyed your mic to talk to them, that'd be three deliberate violations.
That's assuming (bad) that both Amateurs are in the U.S. Internationally, not all hams are restricted to CW (or data) on the low end of 10 Meters. (That includes Canadian hams.) The same goes for the low end of 20 Meters, and of course, 40 Meters.
But it WOULD be violation of §Part 97 for a U.S. ham to be operating 'phone between 28.000 MHz and 28.300 MHz.

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (KC5SAS @ July 29 2007,20:27)]Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 29 2007,11:33)]call them what they are:
ILLEGAL OPERATORS.
That's not very PC. How about UNDOCUMENTED OPERATORS? I propose an amnesty for those who have been operating on those frequencies. Any new comers will have to obtain a GUEST OPERATOR certificate good for 9 months before returning to their former frequencies and reapplying for a new GUEST OPERATOR certificate.
Well, PPPBBBBBTTT!!! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

They're ILLEGAL OPERATORS, PC be danged! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

It's about time we start calling a spade a... a... a triangular shaped digging implement again. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[WA9SVD]

Quote[/b] (ab9lz @ July 30 2007,05:52)][

Maybe 085 is the new CW calling freq on 10, how about it guys?

73 m/3
Now THAT is an excellent idea!

[KI4PEQ]

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ July 29 2007,18:39)]So what's the prob...?

You elitists are against a simple friendly QSO with someone who just hasn't had time to upgrade yet?

They may not have the 'all important' ham ticket but hey, they are HUMAN, and using radios, just draw them IN, not exclude them #with hostility.

These are radio hobby brothers, our bretheren kin, who, but for a simple piece of paper, are the same as us.

Welcome them, and don't be so uppity as to insult them, and use your so called 'Ham call', or whatever.
Just talk to them like real people, in the original spirit of this hobby !

I just can't get over how some of you think that just because YOU got a piece of paper, EVERYONE needs the same paper!

Sounds like Jealousy to ME !!

Get OVER it, radio is radio, this whole license thing has just gotten out of control, can't we all just get along ??
Good gravy, you're worse than Harry Reid and his "undocumented Americans' crapola.

Get a ham ticket. The entry level license doesn't require rocket science ability. General is not much harder. With a bit of study, a determined person could pass the Extra exam and have the BASIC understanding of what the technical aspects of amateur radio are.

No tickee, no talkee. The freebanders are no 'brethren' of mine. You want to lie down with those dogs, expect a head full of fleas.

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (wa9svd @ July 31 2007,19:49)]Quote[/b] (ab9lz @ July 30 2007,05:52)][

Maybe 085 is the new CW calling freq on 10, how about it guys?

73 m/3
Now THAT is an excellent idea!
I've always figured I needed to be about .6 or so UP from zero beat if I wanted to "bother" the knuckle draggers. #At least that is what it appears to be in my IC706 instruction book. You can't get right ON .85; all the interlopers hear is a "scritch-scratch", "scratch-scratch" noise in their reciever with no "tone". It is the TONE that would tend to interfere (gosh, did I say "interfere"?) with the truckers http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif #Now, nobody would purposefully "interfere" with those b-----ds, now would they? #NAAAAAAAAAAAAAW! #IF I had that 10,000 watt broadcast transmitter (another thread) set up on 28.085 AM....................................!!!!!! I'm dreamin' , I"m dreamin', OK? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif #


I never actually had to THINK about exactly WHERE to go to get on a specific #CW frequency; I just listened to the station sending, found a comfortable listening level/tone and answered him without worrying about a precise frequency. #But now, some say one would be slightly BELOW zero beat (.085; others say above) I always figured #.6 roughly in order NOT to be zero beat with a station so you could hear him correctly. #I hear a lot of "scritch-scratch" if I am listening on AM to see if there's interlopers, so fellas (new?), remember NOT to zero-beat the trucker(s) else all they hear is that scratching noise in THEIR receiver instead of an annoying tone.

We are perfectly within our license privileges if we choose to use 28.085 CW. So long as we aren't sending
"ghost" signals, random RTTY with no intention of talking, we aren't doing anything wrong---even a tuning signal or two! #If it happens to mess up a trucker, GREAT! #TOUGH COOKIES!


The best way to move these people is to make 10 Meters as inhospitable to their stupid yappin'as possible and to USE the band, and to rat them out while you are mobile.


73

[kc6toa]

Quote[/b] (K4KWH @ Aug. 01 2007,10:02)]I've always figured I needed to be about .6 or so UP from zero beat if I wanted to "bother" the knuckle draggers. <snip>
I think you'll find that those AM truckers could be up to + or - one KHz off center frequency. Most of those CB radios you hear there are AM/FM only (not SSB), so the reference oscillator need not be of good quality since most CB radios have wide enough receive I.F. bandwidth to allow such frequency error without being noticed.

I think one trucker could be on 28.084 talking to another on 28.086, and they wouldn't notice the frequency error.
It would be best of have multiple CW qso both above and below center freq.

[wa9cwx]

PEQ,
Well, this whole license thing has me confused, these operators are Gods children, needing love and nurishment, just as any wayward youth would need.

I think that ANY license should be valid, say above, 26 Mhz or so, in the 'freeband' area, where communications are global, and meant for all to enjoy.

A lot of these people have drivers licenses, or other qualifications that required extensive testing, I would think THAT should suffice.

Radio is just radio, and above, say 24 Mhz, or thereabouts, it should be a shared experience, used and enjoyed by any and all.

This license, elitist crap, is just another way of dividing us, and keeping us seperate. Shame on us all.

I think a free radio with each vehicle, motorcycle, or skateboard, and amp, for those that are worthy, is an excellent idea.

Long live free speach, and free radio.

Frank

[K4KWH]

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ Aug. 04 2007,17:18)]PEQ,
Well, this whole license thing has me confused, these operators are Gods children, needing love and nurishment, just as any wayward youth would need.

I think that ANY license should be valid, say above, 26 Mhz or so, in the 'freeband' area, where communications are global, and meant for all to enjoy.

A lot of these people have drivers licenses, or other qualifications that required extensive testing, I would think THAT should suffice.

Radio is just radio, and above, say 24 Mhz, or thereabouts, it should be a shared experience, used and enjoyed by any and all.

This license, elitist crap, is just another way of dividing us, and keeping us seperate. Shame on us all.

I think a free radio with each vehicle, motorcycle, or skateboard, and amp, for those that are worthy, is an excellent idea.

Long live free speach, and free radio.

Frank
NO! #Once upon a time, if one wanted a certain privilege, he WORKED for it. In the case of amateur radio, if he wanted HF privileges, he didn't let existing requirements get in his way: He MET those requirements instead of asking or demanding that these things be GIVEN. #Superlative achievement today is not "politically correct", but we DEMAND that these things be GIVEN to us without any effort on our part(s). #

There are existing allocations on 26 MHZ that have nothing to DO with FCC. #In reality, there is NO such thing as a "freeband". #The "26 MHZ" allocations are usually US military or US gov't.

Yeah, right.................all we should have to do is just be born and open a cracker jack box for a license. This IS the way we are headed-----and because of our dumbing down, "the-world-owes-me-a-living" attitude, the US is headed to 3rd world status OR down to oblivion. Let's just hand out them thar reddio ly-cents thar with every drivah's license thar"! http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

There is NOTHING "elitist" about EARNING the privilege of operating radios and LEARNING about how our operations improve our lives for ourselves and others, OR have a negative impact. #Wanna see a negative impact? #Just listen to 26-27.999 MHZ. http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif #

Sorry, if THAT is what amateur radio must be, then give me a fishing pole. # (Barf!) #If they ain't willing to put forth a small effort to win the privileges they gain, I have NO respect for them, nor do I want to share a dadgum thing with them. #(I think #I'm gonna be sick!!!!)

[wa9cwx]

KWH,

Not sure what you are talkin about, I never needed no test. They just gave me that license thing, showed them my fishing license, and my small game endorsement, and got my Extra just like that.

No more testing needed. Drivers license, fishing license, all the same.

Frank

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (wa9cwx @ Aug. 04 2007,20:18)]PEQ,
Well, this whole license thing has me confused, these operators are Gods children, needing love and nurishment, just as any wayward youth would need.

I think that ANY license should be valid, say above, 26 Mhz or so, in the 'freeband' area, where communications are global, and meant for all to enjoy.

A lot of these people have drivers licenses, or other qualifications that required extensive testing, I would think THAT should suffice.

Radio is just radio, and above, say 24 Mhz, or thereabouts, it should be a shared experience, used and enjoyed by any and all.

This license, elitist crap, is just another way of dividing us, and keeping us seperate. Shame on us all.

I think a free radio with each vehicle, motorcycle, or skateboard, and amp, for those that are worthy, is an excellent idea.

Long live free speach, and free radio.

Frank
Man, stop it, you're gonna give K4KWH a seizure http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[KI4WCQ]

Finally, some behavior that's not blamed on the no code newbys!

[ai4ep]

the " gimme, gimme, gimme crowd " just never does give up, do they ?

Some folks think that the only REAL thing that seperates amateurs from cb operators is just a sheet of paper ...but they are wrong.

Some of you folks just looove to harass, and agitate kwh, dont you ? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[K4KWH]

They aren't botherin' me. #I stand by what I said, tho. Similar subject matter, tho, where these truckers and dealers think they have them rah'ts to tawk on them 'air channels. #We don't need no 'lay-sense' to tawk thar cuz we was bawn a 'Mer-kin' citee-zen, mercy sakes. #Everybody these days is just soooo "entitled", eh? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

73

[KC2PBJ]

The problem must be contagious! Heard a mish-mash of angry retorts, music QRM, and sone west-coast Canadian pontificating in 14.275 last night. Seemed like no one was using their head and just ignoring this guy. He seems to love the confrontations and, unfortunately, there were those who fell into his trap. I just let my fingers turn the big knob to find a friendly QSO and left them to their little border skirmish. Is this guy for real?

[ve2nsm]

Quote[/b] (KC2PBJ @ Aug. 14 2007,12:57)]The problem must be contagious! Heard a mish-mash of angry retorts, music QRM, and sone west-coast Canadian pontificating in 14.275 last night. Seemed like no one was using their head and just ignoring this guy. He seems to love the confrontations and, unfortunately, there were those who fell into his trap. I just let my fingers turn the big knob to find a friendly QSO and left them to their little border skirmish. Is this guy for real?
What, just just discovered my fellow Karol yesterday night? http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[ai4ep]

http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[KC2PBJ]

Quote[/b] (ve2nsm @ Aug. 14 2007,12:10)]Quote[/b] (KC2PBJ @ Aug. 14 2007,12:57)]The problem must be contagious! #Heard a mish-mash of angry retorts, music QRM, and sone west-coast Canadian pontificating in 14.275 last night. #Seemed like no one was using their head and just ignoring this guy. #He seems to love the confrontations and, unfortunately, there were those who fell into his trap. #I just let my fingers turn the big knob to find a friendly QSO and left them to their little border skirmish. #Is this guy for real?
What, just just discovered my fellow Karol yesterday night? #http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Yup. First time. He really knows how to get everyone to shout insults, threats, play music, send a data stream over him and other foolish behavior. He just stirs up the pot and laughs at them as they violate the rules and normal operating courtesies. Kinda like Imus with a linear and an attitude.[U]

[VE7DCW]

You have to excuse good ol' Karol.Mr."Tube with handles" has been a little upset since being called a fruitcake by the FCC's Riley Holingsworth.You get the impression he's a fan of the movie "Pirates of the Caribbean" .I've heard he's sure QSO'ed a lot of pirates on 14.275 lately geeeeeez http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

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[KC2PBJ]

Did he have a supporting role in the Jack Nicholson movie "One Flew Over The Cookoo's Nest"? #He seems to be a master manipulator at getting people to make fools of themselves. #I did not hear anyone on the other side of the two QSO's he had before "letting my fingers do the walking". #Was this just crummy propagation (probably, on that evening)or just excuse for monologues? #Now I know to avoid that frequency during the evening.

[KI4ITV]

He will probably send you an email with his opornion of Riley attached to it if he finds this thread. Karol as been banned from QRZ but still lurks, reading post and soliciting sympathizers.

[KI4ITV]

Two times is better than one http://www.qrz.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif